Alright, so there's been a lot of chatter about some of the most common racist takes in the fandom lately, and I know most people aren't engaging in good faith but I'm gonna spell some things out anyway. Here's a handy-dandy White Fan's Intro to Racist Fanon 101

Why is it racist to depict Ed as uncontrollably violent?

Because he's not actually depicted that way in the show. OFMD goes out of its way to depict Ed's relationship with violence as complex and intensely traumatic for him. Because he has so many hangups around violence, Ed is one of the least violent characters in a show full of violent characters. He is always shown giving people many chances before they're able to push him into reacting with violence.

Even if you think you're just doing a character study on a guy who is really very complex and nuanced, please take the time to consider if you're assigning more weight to Ed's violent actions than those of other characters or assuming he's worse than he actually is (for example, Ed never physically hurt the crew during his kraken spiral, just Izzy. His crime was being a shitty boss, not going on mindlessly violent rampages).

What do other common fanon depictions of Ed that are racist look like?

The biggest ones are depicting Ed as untidy/messy, as illiterate, and as needing a white man (most often Izzy) to clean up after him. I hope I shouldn't have to spell out why these are racist, but please keep an eye out for them in the fanon you consume so you can be critical of how you respond when they pop up.

Are you saying that all Izzy fans are racist?

Liking a character is morally neutral. Insisting that the viewpoint of an antagonistic character is the lens through which the show should be understood, though, especially when that antagonistic character's whole deal in the first season of the show was trying to control the behavior of the brown lead so he could gain power for himself, however...

Just please consider - why do you find Izzy's tears more deserving of sympathy and compassion than Ed's?

But my hot take/fic/meta doesn't say anything about Ed's skin color!

It doesn't have to. Most of the racist takes/fic/meta out there don't mention Ed's skin color explicitly. Racism doesn't just look like saying "this character is a brown man so he's bad." Everyone who grows up in a racist society (that's everyone on the planet, btw, you included) has biases to unlearn, and those biases impact how you interact with the world around you, including with the media you consume.

The thing is, OFMD isn't a subtle show. It's very consistent with telling us who Ed is, how he responds to situations, and why he behaves the way he does. If you find it easier to throw all that aside in favor of believing what a white antagonistic character tells you about him, then you should really take a bit to examine that.

And here's the most important thing to keep in mind:

This is not about you.

Trust me, it has to be pretty damn bad for fans of color to call out racism in fandom. Every time we do, we know we're gonna harrassment and just some truly awful shit in our inboxes. But you, random white fan who Did A Racism? No one is out to get you. No one thinks you're an awful person for including a racist trope in your stuff, we just wish you'd examine it so we can make this fandom a better place for everyone.

I have had amazing discussions with white fans who saw my posts on fandom racism and wanted a sensitivity read or a check so they could fix an instance where they uncritically included a racist trope. But most people who make similar mistakes will just double down and insist they didn't do anything wrong, and that makes fandom a worse place for all of us.

Fans of color deserve to feel safe and included in this fandom, and we're just tired of feeling like we have to beg to get some circles to see poc as people. You can do your part by being critical of these tropes and your reactions to them when they pop up.

hi, you asked about the d20 finale drama. i have been following it- i have no idea how familiar you are with d20 as a whole, i know you said you werent keeping up with it so i'll try to explain as best i can!

the most recent season of d20 was fantasy high: junior year. fantasy high takes place in an 80s-inspired (but still has modern day tech- think movies like ferris bueller's day off or the breakfast club) dungeons and dragons setting (so like there are elves, halflings, etc). the main cast are high schoolers going to aguefort academy, where they are learning to be adventurers.

the season had a very disappointing ending for a lot of people. one of the main things that had been set up is that the PC party (the bad kids) had a group of foils, the rat grinders, who all were genderswapped and had the same classes and were generally approached as being foils. the leader of this group is 16 year old kipperlilly copperkettle, a halfling rogue with severe anger issues who, notably, was going to therapy for them but never seemed to improve. it's also later revealed that the rat grinders had been 'rage-starred'- implanted with crystals that make you incandescently angry. this was connected to their activities in sophomore year, where something happened and their cleric, lucy frostblade, died because she was unwilling to accept the rage star- she was later replaced by one of the PCs' younger brother.

it's also important to note that all of these foils had been groomed by their adult teacher, who wanted to bring back a goddess of rage and destroy all the other gods. so naturally a lot of people were like oh we're going to engage with themes of rage vs doubt and how mindless rage is a bad thing and rage vs justice.

um. that didn't happen. the penultimate & final episodes were a giant 'final battle' type of situation where instead of getting engagement with the themes of the story, we get all the characters angrily and brutally killing their foils (one character says they should cut off another (manipulated, mind controlled!) character's head off in order to make sure he can never be revivified; another character tells a 16 year old girl he's going to skin her, turn her into a rug, and have sex on top of her corpse). in the final episode, there is a for-real like half hour long segment where the PCs debate whether any of the 16 year olds 'deserve' to be brought back to life and eventually decide all of them can come back except for kipperlilly, because she willingly accepted the rage star. no acknowledgement that she was like still manipulated or that she was TRYING to get help, or her critiques of the bad kids or of the school or the system...). in the same episode, a PC says "it's also super black and white to think, like, this person was bad, or this person was good" and "they can be bad and still not deserve to be sliced in half" lol. like. okay but you just sliced like 6 teenagers in half?

it's not that i'm opposed to a dnd game where you slice teens in half, btw. it's just that it feels like you get these wildly opposing ideas of 'okay here are the themes that players & the dm are like Saying in roleplay and what they seem to want to believe, and here is what is actually happening in the story, and it's wildly dissonant and leaves a bad taste in my mouth'. (inb4 d20 stans come in and are like but its just an actual play you cant hold it to other artistic standards- Yes I Can lol).

so. yeah. i feel like it's a really good example of how dnd 5e just makes everyone push towards combat as the solution to stuff, and it's further worsened by the way d20 works where bc they make these huge set pieces, so many different campaigns end in like, a final battle on this (frankly gorgeous) miniature set up. which is lovely, but means that players and production and the DM are pushing toward combat as the resolution even when it doesn't necessarily fit, and makes them look towards combat as the only way out in a lot of situations. and it really makes roleplay suffer. i must also say that it's been widely acknowledged that this season of d20 suffered for like, a lot of shooting crammed into a short amount of time, so people really didnt have a lot of time to reflect on their decisions the way they did in sophomore year where they had like a week between sessions to think over the plot and what could happen and what's next.

Oh my god that is way fucking worse than I expected holy shit.

Anyway yeah i HAVE to think about how like.... the rules for combat in Thirsty Sword Lesbians by design use that combat as a way to create an emotional connection between combatants and set up roleplaying opportunities (instead of taking 1d8+4 damage, your opponent inflicts something like Angry or Insecure on you). One of the like dozen generic actions is to use Strings (emotional influence you can get from fighting someone) to like... influence people and change their perspective, often during a combat situation.

So like. Yeah. If THAT was what everyone's character sheet looked like I imagine they might have, yknow, tried to interact with NPC goals and personalities instead of interacting with their hit points

Lady nagant deserves better by the narrative

Oh I genuinely love the entire concept of lady nagant and what her character is supposed to serve in the story but I hate how it was introduced and executed.

To me it felt like lady nagant was somewhat introduced out of nowhere just to add to the building of worldbuiling and the morality of hero society. It would be better to foreshadow or illude to the existence of heroes like lady nagant earlier onto the series. For example, during hawk's first proper manga introduction and during his arc (where he works for the HPSC) you can have lady nagant name drops or stuff talking about how she used to be his mentor or how she killed a hero in the past because they got into an argument.(it still surprises me how in canon she was never his mentor but he was just her replacement.)

After that she can officially be brought up by hawks during the vigilante arc by hawks who tells izuku everything and how he worries that AFO might of hired her to assassinate him.

I personally really liked lady nagants introduction in the story and her first appearance where horikoshi actually makes her seem like a real threat. He also uses her to increase tension and stakes considering that Izuku at that moment hasn't eaten or slept in well in weeks. From the begining of the interaction it seems like lady nagant wants to already finish this of and doesn't plan on hunting down or fighting Izuku. She gives him the option to resist and die or to simply die without any struggle. Both are undesirable options however, I like this introduction especially after we find out that she never wanted to kill him but was made by AFO as a way to get her "freedom".

During the fight more about lady nagant is revealed. Things that we previously knew about her like how she was put in prison due to her killing another hero because they got into an argument are found to be false. we find out that like her successor she was taken in and trained by the HPSC at a young age to do societies bidding. We also find out that lady nagant killed the previous head of the HPSC because she didn't want to be continue killing, neither did she want to be used as a tool anymore.

An interesting eye opening moment is when lady nagant loses it or well the build up to her losing it. I really liked the contrast between the whole interaction of lady nagant meeting her little fans and her talking to her boss. In one interaction she seems completely innocent and surrounded in a harsh environment in the other she is painted out to be guilty with blood all over her hands. Lady nagants hesitance to interact with the kids shows how she feels her sense of humanity dissipating and how she is losing herself. She reaches towards the children with her right hand, yet it is her right hand that has taken so many lives but it is also her right hand that the former HPSC leader tells her that protects lives and does societies evil bidding. Lady nagant's perspective also shows us how she was coaxed into believing that what she did was right and honourable yet as she continued to do it that belief started to falter and she could only remember the screams of the lives she has taken. She ends up seeking I guess what you could call affirmation that she is in the right and that her work helps others yet that doesn't help and she ends up killing the guy who gives it to her. This simply allows us to see the cruelty and the negative side of the hero system and how it directly effects the heroes themselves.

I think lady nagants character design and her quirk are both very interesting concepts that hori came up with. Her quirk makes it so that she is a literal tool, a master rifle weilder and a dangerous one at that. Throughout the story she is consistently objectified and dehumanised with people only seeing the potential that her power has or the dangers it has. Lady nagant from previous flashbacks we are shown that she used to have long hair now this could be due to her needing her own hair for her quirk use. However, we now see her with short hair and this shows that maybe the people in charge in the prison and all cut her hair of so she wouldn't use her quirk. Also it's a striking difference from her long hair look which could show the change within her and her character. Lady nagants hero costume is very plain which is something she needs when it comes to her line of work and I think it's interesting as that contrasts with the outfit she is in when she goes to hunt down Izuku midoriya. She is in somewhat brighter colours almost as if letting her identity seep in through but not fully so. Lady nagant also has purple/pink hair (this is definitely me digging too much into this) which could be symbolic of something.

Pink: within Japanese culture pink is seen as a colour of mourning and it symbolises the young fallen soldiers in the full bloom of life. Others also see pink as a colour of innocence.

Purple: purple is naturally seen as a colour that symbolises spirituality, mystery and devotion.

Now you can argue that some of these can apply to lady nagant and her character design but Iam digging way too deep.

Lady nagant is honestly our first in depth introduction to the horrible acts of the HPSC and I liked the moments the manga was focusing on that and her own views on the current system. It's stated that she doesn't like izuku because she thinks that he is disillusioned and ignorant by the system. While fighting Izuku we clearly see her try to understand this and how some of her ideas about him slowly melt away.

Lady nagant at first is right to assume that izuku is ignorant and is simply being led by the "phony education system" as she goes to describe it. From the information that she already received from people like AFO and overhaul she thinks that he is simply another carbon copy of the ignorant hero society that she despises. She thinks that izuku is naive which is a belief that easily crumbles away as she recognises that he (like her) has a lot of secrets to hide for example both have more than one quirk and ironically both are sought after due to their quirks. What interests lady nagant about izuku is his beliefs. Izuku believes that he as a hero should reach out and help people. He doesn't try and beat them down for being villains but he tries to see the best in everyone while also acknowledging their actions. (Respectfully, I have my own problems with Izukus development but this isn't about him).

Her whole fight and relationship with Izuku is interesting and I wish we got to see her maybe take on a mentor type role for izuku. I feel like it would be a lot more interesting if we got to see them interact more. Especially because I like lady nagants views and how she knows that the path that izuku picked is a "difficult and nuanced one".

Lady nagant and hawks interactions and relationship would be further reinforced if she was his mentor. I think there is something so ironic in lady nagant training a child who would come to replace her role in that society. I really enjoyed the parallels that horikoshi put with lady nagant and hawks. I have mixed feelings when it comes to lady nagant and hawk's conversation when she is heavily injured. The introduction to it is basically hawks catching her limp body and saying something along the lines of "Iam your replacement". Now this goes to honestly dehumanise both characters and show us just how cruel the hero system is. However, I am not a huge fan of it just because how the hell are you introducing yourself to a dying woman who just got exploded as her replacement?!?!

The conversation goes to futher depict these characters as pawns of their own fates and reinforces the parallels between them. Lady nagant notices the hope in hawk's eyes and asks him how he still manages to have such hope in such a terrible society. Iam not a fan of hawks response where he simply says ,"Iam an optimistic guy" but I would of let it be if after lady nagant received medical treatment she brings that conversation back up again to hawks and we see glimpses of their conversation both exchanging stories and all. Hawks seems to acknowledge that really one of the only reasons that he didn't become like lady nagant is because he held onto hope and had people around him like tokoyami.

Also something that Interests me is lady nagants relationship with overhaul. It seems that simply drags him around and that they both accompany eachother to the fight. Lady nagant doesn't particularly hate overhaul but she doesn't care for him and is willing to use him as bait so she can't complete her job in killing Izuku midoriya. Personally, I would of liked to see more on how they met and their relationship. They could be an interesting duo that simply happend due to their own desires, lady nagants desire for freedom and overhauls for his boss. Also something that really stood out to me is how technically overhaul would of slowed down lady nagant yet she simply let him stay by her side? Seemed interesting to me.

Personally, I would write it so that they both obviously meet in prison and overhaul and her are cellmates or in similar cells. They end up sharing stories and all and when it comes to them breaking out they end up breaking out together. They end up using eachother for their own gain in the end.

In conclusion, I actually enjoyed lady nagants character I just wish that the narrative itself built up her character way before her introduction. I also wish that her character relationships were explored a lot more, like how did this happen to her? Where were her parents? How old was she when she became a fully fledged hero? And have her relationship with characters (izuku, hawks and overhaul) actually receive more build up and attention.

I thought about a little some some. Even though I doubt it myself a bit.

So, some people criticised that Moonvale feels less real than Duskwood did. (I don't mean like with the mini games etc.)

But in general the feeling. Also with the AI art and stuff. And I don't want to excuse the AI art, of course not)

Here my thought.

Maybe that wasn't "bad" work but somehow a way to protect younger fans. If you follow Everbyte on Instagram and you check the comments from time to time, you will also find very young people. Which is not the problem. The problem is, that many of them are not able to differentiate between between game and reality. Many younger fans seem not to understand that Duskwood is only a game.

Doesn't really sound like a huge thing now but it is. I saw comments so out of reality, it was really scary. And it's also very dangerous.

Of course they were commenting on Instagram so it should be clear it's just a game, but some of them do not really understand. And even if they do, they're attached to the characters in a way that is very unhealthy. And I say this as someone who's dealing with that behaviour myself. But I can confidently say that I can keep it apart and I know that Jake is not a real person.

But some people can't. And I do believe that Duskwood felt absolutely real. It is hard and you really tend to forget it's just a game. Especially the newer episodes make it hard. Which is usually a great thing because it means that Everbyte did a good job.

And sure, it's not Everbytes responsibility to keep an eye on younger people and to make sure it's not getting out of hand. It's a thing parents should take care of. But we were all younger and we all know that this is almost impossible. No child wants to give their phone to their parents to get it checked. So many parents don't do it. And even if, we all had secrets and were hiding things from your parents.

And I think, if you want or not, somehow you care about it as devolper etc.

And also a little story time, which is one reason why I came up with it and also a good example for that I mean.

For a long time, people always thought I'm the real Jake. And that's not a joke. I always had a disclaimer in my description, some of you might remember it. And sometimes people write to me, thinking I was the real Jake.

And one day, this happened:

I've got similar messages before. But none of them were this scary to me. I was completely shocked. And I was mad. I mean, I highly suspect this person was really young. And now imagine I would have been some weird guy saying yes. And especially, we're talking about adult characters.. Another thing.

So, this was just to show you what exactly I mean and how extremely this can be.

So maybe they made it a bit less real for younger people.

I don’t know if they even think about that. As I said, I don't really think it's like that, but it crossed my mind and I wanted to let it out.

And even if this might be absolute nonsense, that this is the reason Everbyte changed some things, it can’t hurt to point out that these young people exist. And how unhealthy that is.

Just to minimize my chances of being genuinely misunderstood OR deliberately misinterpreted, and crucified for something I don't think, How Dare You Say We Piss on the Poor website etc...I'm gonna say this right up top. I absolutely understand why people don't like Thessaly as a character, if anyone does completely unironically stan her as some kind of feminist hero who Did Nothing Wrong uwu, I personally see it as a bit of a red flag. I don't like terfs real or fictional. In a vacuum, I could even completely sympathize and agree with the people who want her cut.

HOWEVER.

It's really something to me to see people clamoring for her to be cut, because she carries and expressed an ugly indefensible prejudice (transphobia) in words towards (1) person. Meanwhile Hob fucking Gadling enacted one of the most violent forms of antiblack racism I can even think of against thousands no, millions of people, the ripple effects of which still affect billions more today. Just a little light idk, profiting off the fucking slave trade and had to be told by someone else that it was bad...and he's a fan favorite.

People are saying Thessally being Dream's love interest reflects badly on him or is somehow endorsement by the narrative (?!?!?!?!?!? Didn't she (SPOILER ALERT AS IF IT MATTERS BY NOW) help participate in his extended assisted suicide? She's not painted as a great person to me just another character what are y'all SMOKING whatever fine. It's fine this is fine.) But shipping Dream with Mr. Former Slaver is not only not verboten or frowned on widely in the fandom but its THEE most popular pairing by far. So...why the difference?

Like where are the same fans who are saying Thessaly shouldn't just be more clearly shown to be wrong, she shouldn't even be in the show at all when it comes to Hobert's crimes??? Yes, transphobia is indefensible. Isn't racism?

And I hear the cries of "it's fiction!!!" Already rallying (if anyone who needs to hear this even sees it lol) to which I say:

HORSESHIT. I KNOW you don't, deep down, really agree because if you did, why get upset about Thessaly being included??? Why does what she said to one person matter if it's Just Fiction You Guyze. Fictional characters are allowed to do bad things and fiction isn't reality sweaty....except when you only apply that standard to fictional racists you like and simp for, but fictional transphobes you don't are SO HARMFUL they shouldn't even be portrayed in fiction.

Like. Give me a big fat BREAK. This looks like bullshit, no? I'm sorry, but I'd love for someone to try and give any other explanation besides one personally offended you or hit home for you, and the other doesn't.

And if that bothers you or you feel like it says something negative about you...idk what you want me to say??? You can't control how other people perceive you and that's how people outside this majority-of-the-fandom bubble see it. You don't need to respond, I just wish and genuinely hope this gives you a moment to think about why fans who ARE bothered by both (and not just paying lip service to being bothered by the one but railing against the other) are so frustrated with people saying everyone is welcome but in practice only bending over backwards for the comfort and emotions of themselves, and people they can easily relate to.

You don't have to like Thessaly (I don't. I find her an interesting antagonist, I don't stan her. And frankly that's not the point of her character) but you'll pardon me for feeling more than a bit cynical and side eying people's motivations for what seems a...pretty obvious double standard, on what fictional crimes related to real world issues matter to y'all, and which clearly don't. Either actually bring the same energy to the table for fictional people who committed atrocities, even if against a group you're not part of and thus don't feel the need to empathize with, or just carry on, but accept that you don't have the SLIGHTEST room to talk about cutting characters who do immoral things. And you also need to accept that you look like a hypocrite when you do.

I think some folks MAY have gotten the wrong idea about how I feel about Circe with some of my posts. So, to clear the air...

Homies, I love that fucked up sorceress.

I love how we're never given a reason why she turns people into animals. That's so funny and so awful. And another potion-making magic gal?!?! I love that she's just basically vibing on an island doing whatever she wants. I even love the fact that she scares Odysseus shitless! She's morally gray and that's why she's FUN.

I just sincerely hate when people try to girlboss her or have her be a victim of SA when she never was Looking at you, Miller. Especially when she was actually the one who coerced Odysseus in exchange for his men being transformed back into humans. And even then, while he was clearly afraid of her, (it's in the language of the Odyssey) she likely meant him no harm after a certain point. He just didn't know that.

Why does she need a reason to do awful things? Why can't she just be a goddess who does whatever she wants? That's the reason why I love her!!! She's fucked up!!! :D

I hate what the Telegony did to her as well! >:( You're telling me, this sorceress goddess, who makes potions (!!!) wouldn't have magic contraceptives??? Would WANT CHILDREN?!?! WITH THE PATHETIC WIFEMAN?! No. Fuck no. Eugammon of Cyrene, I have beef with you 🤬

Anyways!!! Understand all the "#anti circe" I have is simply Anti "Girlboss Circe" or the book. I genuinely think she's neat af as her morally gray, fucked up sorceress self and just get frustrated with...everything :'D

All of these "who has more anything gender!" polls are just. white man without extreme body builder muscles v white man without extreme body builder muscles. The gender is "masculine" stop pretending it's universal

god i know that complaining abt fic which most of you haven't read, and which i won't, for politeness' sake, identify in this post, is a great way to come across as both dickish and boring—

but i've been rereading a very long, very satisfyingly plotty series that's a fandom darling and the thing is, when you read like 400k of an author's work at once it really starts to become painfully apparent what their priorities are, by which i mean two things:

holy shit they're obsessed with 'what if strong powerful men who could hurt you didn't (but did hurt Bad Guys) (and it was sexy of them),' which leads into

holy shit they do not appear to have thought through the implications of saying 'i will have my heroes take over the same power structures that have enabled abuse, make no real changes to those structures other than swapping out the leadership, and then claim that everything is wonderful now bc Good Men Are In Charge'??

like. i don't necessarily need every passing fantasy to present me with a coherent, revolutionary system of politics and ethics—sometimes things are just fun and sexy and not especially Examined and that's fine!—but by the time someone's written literally almost half a million words, and done a lot of worldbuilding while they were at it, i am going to start squinting if they seem to think a Good Man can e.g. become an emperor by killing off the leadership of multiple countries and installing puppet kings loyal to him and still remain a Good Man, even if the justification was that the original leadership was maltreating its citizens and deserved to be extrajudicially executed. like. this shit was a bad, autocratic move when the US did it in real life and it's still bad now that you're having our mutual blorbo do it in fiction! and that's not even getting into the whole thing where like. they've got servants who the Good Man and his friends ""treat well"" but who very much remain second-class citizens in terms of how the story actually frames them and their concerns. [this was also a huge issue i had with foz m*adows' most recent book—everyone wants to write about fantasy nobles but they also want to make them good people and it's like. honestly i think it might be better to get comfortable writing about flawed people, but also—if your aristos aren't treating their servants like equals and your text isn't either, you haven't actually cracked the Moral Aristo paradox, sorry!] like, there's nothing that says your story has to depict a fully Healed World, nor should there be! but it's troubling if you seem to be convinced you've written one (and have your wide-eyed love interests constantly marveling at it!) when you very patently haven't.

I know I've been particularly incoherent for the past few days (again), and it's so dramatic and ridiculous but it seriously feels like something is punishing me. I just want to like things a normal amount. I just want to like people and characters a normal amount.

I don't want to become so fully obsessed that literally nothing else exists and thinking about anything else feels like my brain is being stabbed with a thousand tiny knives. I don't want to need to find every piece of information I possibly can on whoever it is this time. I don't want to feel like I'm (literally) losing my mind when I see them. I don't want any of this!

I can not believe that I exist as a human being on this stupid planet just to get obsessed with people over and over and over again forever.

I don't really understand why, in-world, people think satoru is an enigma? Personally, i feel like I don't always understand him because I don't always understand people, (let alone characters about whom we know about the same amount of information as the group of people around him), not because he's supposed to be a shonen hero and then is just a goofy, spoiled, stretched out teenage boy who is a little more careless than you wish he would be.

Current temperature inside of my room right now in the middle of the night whilst about to go to sleep... villain origin story...

Csm thoughts,,

For tgp au, if Dazai is Michael, then who is Janet?

I have no idea? Oda? Chuuya and his themes of learning how to be a human?

people keep saying shit like "you only hate this character because she's a woman and is confident and gets close to the male character you enjoy, you're just delusional and weirdly jealous" and it's like. maybe i actually don't like her because i have eyes and a low tolerance for emotional manipulation.

does anyone else ever psyche themselves out of posting art or headcanons or theories because they're worried that it'll be too dark or too involved or emotional and suddenly everyone will think you're cringe or get mad because you interpreted a character in a way that's deeper than the surface level stuff people usally go for because even in fandoms, nowadays people seem to have the unspoken rule that getting to into a character or having deeper headcanons or having reasons for your headcanons is cringe and weird or was I just made fun of for liking things one to many times?

Shirley haters are soooo boring.