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STAY OFF MY TERRITORY - Time Travel in Lore Olympus (feat. Springlock, our resident time traveller)
AH YES. TIME TRAVEL. BUILDING COFFEE TABLES FROM IKEA. BOTH A MESS, BOTH SOMETHING YOU SHOULD NEVER ATTEMPT EVEN AS A GAG.
THERE WILL BE FASTPASS SPOILERS IN THIS ANALYTICAL DISSECTION OF LORE OLYMPUS' TIME TRAVEL !!!
Let's establish the "time travel" in LO first of all - it's briefly introduced by Hecate, who says that Hades isn't in a 'where' but a 'when' , hahahaha i so love time travel jokes /s THIS ISN'T A LAUGHING MATTER-
We had already covered this in the criticisms that Kronos' 'dream comas' would have been better allocated to his time travel abilities, and it seems now Rachel is trying to make that a reality at the last possible minute. I'm going to completely tear apart that reality to present to you why it doesn't work in LO.
Aw, Kronos' time abilities are finite? Get on my level, sir.
The caveat is the existential toll that time travel takes on the jumper, and the fact that in most cases, it's impossible to perform due to paradoxes. And Lore Olympus' time travel presents a lot of paradoxes. No wonder Kronos went crazy, I'm going crazy just thinking about everything that's wrong with this.
So Hades is trapped 'somewhere' in time. This isn't something I haven't seen before, but the issue it presents is getting someone back to their present time, as it presents the first paradox -
PARADOX #1 - There are no accidents. If someone is to jump into a timeline outside of their own, even if by 'accident', that would still have to be predestined by the timeline itself. This is in line with the grandfather paradox, which I will let the almighty Google define for us all to keep things brief:
You cannot travel back in time 'by accident'. If you were to travel back in time, it would have been written into the script of reality already, so any effects caused by your jumping would be purposeful, even if they seem like 'accidents' to you - such as becoming your own grandfather, Philip J Fry.
Moving on, in the most recent FastPass episode, Melinoe reveals that she was taken from her timeline by Kronos.
PARADOX #2 - Which version of Kronos took her? Was it the present version travelling into the future to take her from her timeline into his present? Or was it some future version of Kronos who has escaped yet again at some point in the future and then travelled back into the past to interfere with the events of the current present, possibly in an attempt to rewrite the script? If it's the latter, this means that Hera and Persephone can't feasibly stop Kronos indefinitely, as to stop Kronos would mean that he wouldn't exist in the future to take Melinoe from her future timeline and thus this present timeline of events would cease to exist. If we want to get even more granular with it, 'present' Kronos is still 'past' Kronos as it's the Kronos from ten years ago who got his hands on a deity to help him mess with people's dreams, and that deity has been revealed to be Melinoe, who would have had to be ripped from some point in their future timeline. This falls in line with a temporal paradox, or as most people know it, the 'kill baby Hitler' paradox, which designates that one cannot go back in time to kill baby Hitler, as killing baby Hitler would remove all the subsequent events that would lead up to you deciding to build a time machine and go back in time to kill baby Hitler.
Melinoe claims she's only been here a few days. That would be all well and good, as time is funny like that - I've done my fair share of jumps into the distant past only to return a few minutes later - but what doesn't line up is the present timeline of events that would only work unless she's actually been trapped for longer than a few days.
PARADOX #3 - So it's only been a few days, but Hades and Persephone have known about this child trapped in Tartarus for weeks, and we know Kronos has had her since the dream diving arc back near the end of S2. So unless Kronos is simply jumping to different points in time to cause shenanigans - which leads to even MORE paradoxes as you feasibly cannot travel to your own past to change it due to it creating a different future - then it can't have only been a 'few days' for Melinoe, it would have been at least a few weeks, giving some wiggle room to the past events of her appearing before Hades in his dreams due to her being the goddess of nightmares. Kronos escaping Tartarus after using Melinoe to put people to sleep and possess them was not something that happened in a pocket dimension, it was very real and very present.
Hades commits an even bigger sin, however, and the biggest issue with this 'time travel' plotline:
PARADOX #4 - I truly hope 'home' means 'home point in her timeline' and not their literal home. Hades and Persephone cannot take Melinoe, for two reasons: they haven't had their daughter yet, and the future timeline versions of Hades and Persephone need their daughter back. If Hades and Persephone were to adopt this version of Melinoe in their present timeline, it would create a clone paradox, as they would have a duplicate Melinoe from the future, OR it would create the grandfather paradox if they opted not to try for a child knowing they already have Melinoe which would erase the whole sequence of events that led to future Melinoe's birth in the first place.
Ultimately Lore Olympus' time travel suffers from the same issue many time travel stories suffer from - not having consistent rules. It is choosing now , near the finale of the series, to introduce time travel, rather than establishing it back in Season 1 when Kronos was first hinted at. It's also still not clear in what Hades' role is in this, as him being taken to a 'when' could still be read as a dream sequence rather than actual time travel. After all, Kronos supposedly "exhausted" his time travelling powers centuries ago - surely as a way for Rachel to have her cake and cover for the fact that she's had Kronos in the series since S1 and never actually had him do what he's known for - but now she's trying to eat it too by just giving him his time travel powers again for no reason besides rewriting the dream diving finale from S2 but with ambiguous time travel instead.
It's all a huge mess and the best thing I can do for myself is simply not let it keep me up at night. I have enough time travelling problems to worry about as it is. I will be sticking to the Austin Powers method -
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(I am not enjoying myself.)
#keep your hands OFF time travel rachel#you can't even tell a coherent LINEAR story and you think you can do TIME TRAVEL ???#she's deadass just using this as a last minute crutch to make up for her piss poor writing#it's really easy for people to just go “well yknow timey wimey stuff!!!!” to handwave away every single plothole and inconsistency#lore olympus critical#lo critical#anti lore olympus#ask me anything#ama#anon ama#anon ask me anything#Youtube
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'i hope larian picks up making pathfinder games' no you dont
#ama mumbles#larian critical#owlcat may release bug filled games at release but im more forgiving of that if only bc of how much content is in them#and they release Complete games#yeah they have dlc but the dlc isnt from stuff they cut out of the game its just supposed to enhance whats already there#i dont trust larian who doesn't keep proper boundaries with their fans. no thanks.#also! i dont want the game to not be top down. bg3 is way too big a fucking file#meanwhile owlcat games are actually downloadable without purging your computer of everything else#i had to delete old Art Files just to make room for that game
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#h50 season 6#happy smile#scott caan#h50 bloopers#danny williams#hawaii five 0#cute adorable blond smiling..w/ those crinkles there just making everything better ❤#(i don't have the same energy i once had to look from which ep this laugh from blooper is from.Still. enjoy it)#Also.just had to test a few things w/ this gif. bc my blog is still unlight ban.ed for some reason#(If you sent me a chat msg for this blog.I can't see it.Can only see it if u reblog or tag me inside posts)#and i'm still waiting for support to respond and to finally try to fix this.bc even I cant find my stuff on my own blog anymore#Still.Only the dashboard(or clicking on my name tag) works for folks to find my stuff.That if. they follow me or someone reblogged it...#urgh...#If things weren't hard enough already.Anxiety levels just rising up (again)#had to double meds just last days when Scott released a F- one hour+ new interview on YT#It's hard fam..and tiring..all of this#mine#é complicado quando duas pessoas que voce ama é ao mesmo tempo um gatilho pro seu pior estado mental
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Thank you for writing "Bittersweet Reunion"! I enjoyed it immensely and it has definitely found a place on my list of all-time favorite Roudise stories! And thank you for offering to answer readers' questions about it! Here are a couple (hopefully, not too many) I've been wondering about:
This is really basic, and possibly it was mentioned in an earlier chapter and I just don't remember, but what age are Louise and Rudy supposed to be in the story?
I would love to know where you got the idea for the story from or what inspired you to write it? As I mentioned in my comment on the last chapter, to me Louise and Rudy feel like the least likely of the Belcher kid friendships to fall out of each other's lives, so I'm curious what led you to think of a story starting from the premise.
In the second to last chapter, Rudy explains that reason he left town was because he needed to get away from his parents. I know you started the story well before "The Amazing Rudy" aired and I was wondering if that episode- where we see Rudy's mom for the first time and see more of his relationship with his dad- changed your view of his relationship with his parents or led you to change anything about how that part of Chapter 11 was written? (Of course, there's all sorts of things that can happen in parent-child relationships between the ages of 9 and 18 that could explain why older teen Rudy would feel the need to get away from them.)
I loved the way you wrote the older Pesto twins in Chapter 3! I find the Pesto twins to be the hardest characters to imagine aged up versions of (I actually decided not to write a scene with them in it for my Roudise wedding fic when I realized I was still writing them like they were 9). I was wondering how you came up with the ideas you did for them and if you had any additional ideas for them that didn't make it into the story?
Similarly, where are there any ideas for any of the other background characters that you weren't able to work into the story but would like to share? (Feel free to ignore if this will spoil other stories you are working on.)
Thank you for reading it, and I'm so glad you enjoyed it! And don't worry, I'm happy to answer all the questions ( ╹▽╹ )
1. Louise and Rudy are in their early to mid 30s in this. I really wanted to capture the vibes of people can find love at any age (vs Gene and Tina who in this au find love in college and right after).
I also wanted to emphasize that Louise has a very established life at this point, she's taken over the restaurant, she has friends and weekly hang outs, she isn't necessarily looking for anything romantic to happen, but sometimes it happens anyways.
I just think it was interesting to explore a budding relationship between two people who very much know who they are, as opposed to younger people just figuring out who they are in life.
2. This story actually started with me thinking about how I really wanted Louise to take over the restaurant when she's older, and things kind of grew from there.
Another thing I really wanted to explore is this sort of abandonment issue Louise has. That's not quite the words for it, but I always got the vibe that she cares so strongly for the people in her life and hates when they have to/choose to leave, which ended up being a really interesting dynamic to explore when coupled with her figuring out she's in love.
3. Rudy's parents seemed to me the easiest vehicle for his moving away. We've seen how Sylvester acts (even though he cares, he obviously has his own problems, as illustrated in the House of 1000 Bounces and The Kids Rob a Train), and in earlier episodes Rudy talked about his mother caring very strongly about his safety and "hating fun".
Obviously that seems to change as the seasons go on, and especially with The Amazing Rudy. I did consider changing the story at that point, but why Rudy left was kind of woven throughout the story, and I realized that it's fanfiction. It doesn't have to be 100% accurate to canon, and the story probably wouldn't be 100% accurate even if I did change it.
I did love seeing how much his parents actually care in The Amazing Rudy, and I think it was a really great episode to analyze the inner workings of our favorite asthmatic boy.
4. My portrayal of the Pesto twins is 100% inspired by @tallgirl14, whose work I saw on TikTok. She's got some really great comics of the kids in high school, and she illustrates the twins as these sort of trouble makers because anyone who is friends with Louise for so long has to be a little crafty.
I sincerely recommend you check out her work, her art is so cute and makes me squeel every time.
Once I had the personality, it did take a little work to figure out where they would be and what they'd be up to, but I really liked the idea of them being restaurateurs with Louise, and even having a fake rivalry to draw business. Of course, leaning more into real Italian food than their father, even taking a trip to Italy to reconnect to their mother's heritage. Don't remember if I did write that into chapter two or three, but that's my favorite detail about them for sure (´∩｡• ᵕ •｡∩`)
5. I did actually do a lot of thinking about Millie's character, even though she is barely in the story. She's definitely a regular at the restaurant, coming in for coffee every morning and afternoon, and she works as a detective for the police.
I'm still a very acab person, but being a detective just fits Millie's personality, and honestly the way she can be a bit obsessive and a little less than moral fits the cop vibe to me. She's also backed off of Louise a little, and the two have managed to foster a reasonable level of friendship, though Louise is still wary to invite her to things because she flat out doesn't trust her.
The other background characters I absolutely adore are Tammy and Jocelyn. I always ship them, and I thought it would be a cute cameo that they show up to trivia night and just have fun drinking and giggling with each other rather than taking the game seriously.
Thank you so much for asking, and I hope this answered all of your questions (◕ᴗ◕✿) I don't think I have any other Roudise on the backburner (´；ω；｀) but if you choose to reas any of my other upcoming stories I hope you enjoy just as much as you did Bittersweet Reunion!
#bittersweet reunion#bob's burgers#fanfic#writing stuff#roudise#ama#andy and ollie#this was so fun#it was really really fun to go into detail on some of my decision making process#i really am glad you liked the story
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Granted I have the overall geographical and cultural knowledge of a 4th grader but from what I can tell the nuclear family model really does seem to be a white colonial invention
Different cultures have different approaches but I mainly hear about either large family units where multiple generations support each other and raise their children and grandchildren together or an "it takes a village" approach where children are raised somewhat communally
And I can't really speak on it much or claim that these families were free of abuse or that children aren't often an oppressed group basically everywhere I know of but the way ownership of your children is so engrained into white society is so bizarre
Like once you notice it you can't unnotice it even the most loving well meaning parents don't know what to do about it because everyone is so isolated from their own families and their own communities so you wind up with 1-2 parents who have full legal ownership of their child and are raised in a culture where you don't have personhood until you're 18 and all attempts at self actualization before them are seen as clueless rebellion. Like our culture is so divorced from the concept that a parent is someone who is helping mentor and care for their child so they can thrive as a fellow human being and it's actually so alarming
And ik this problem isn't unique to white and colonized people but it's honestly really soothing to hear about how other cultures approach and view parenting and community as a whole and to internalize it doesn't have to be this way
#like i was reading a book by Sabaa Tahir who's Pakistani#and the perspective on parenthood portrayed in it so healing#like when Salahuddin mentions that his mom taught him not to thank his parents growing up#''Ama taught me that saying thank you to your own parents is unnecessary. Akin to thanking your lungs for breathing. The times I tried#she looked at me like I’d rejected Saturday-morning paratha.''#and like obviously the idea isn't that your kids should be ungrateful im assuming that it's their behavior and overall respect thats thanks#but as someone who was raised thanking everyone for everything especially my parents no matter what it really stood out bc even little stuff#like that can make a huge difference yk? since I can remember white adults particularly my parents taught me i was a burden#and that their taking care of me was an act of kindness rather than a responsibility and I don't think it's some big conspiracy to make kids#feel horrible but it's not really teaching gratitude it's just teaching guilt#thats just one example tho#I also am at the extreme end of white cultural isolation (neither of my parents are close to their families we've never lived near them and#they specifically isolate us from everyone so the difference is a lot more drastic for me than it probably is a lot of other people#but when i hear ppl being close to their neighbors or anyone that lives near them i go a little insane with longing tbh#like what is that like? to grow up in an environment where your world is more than just your parents approval?#where there's some kind of insulation between you and all of your parents problems bc there is no one else#this was not a ramble with any kind of conclusion tho akehrjdhr#and once again I am absolutely not saying that child abuse is uniquely white bc. el em ey oh thats not how any of this works#it's just that white cultures view on children is sickening
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my number one flaw as a dc fan is that i’m a dc fan. my second is that i’m just a massive hater
#robin talks#every time i see someone talking about how they wanted tom king's pitch of tim being nightwing instead of the ric grayson arc.. anger#like I Understand. I Also Did Not Want The Ric Grayson Arc#but every time a bat character takes one of dick's identities i get violent#and also i do not care for tim. once again i am a Hater#but they take robin! bruce takes away Dick Grayson. like his birth name. gone for the agent 37 stuff#and for nightwing. symbolising his freedom and independence..... NO!! HANDS OFF!! LEAVE HIM ALONE!!! YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT#like i ama firm believer that no other character should be nightwing (not for a very very long time) bc of The Point#it feels redundant making it a mantle passed down like robin is now. also i just want dick to have an identity nobody will steal from him :(#anyway my toxic trait is i will never love timmy and every time someone wants for him to have taken up nightwing i get violent#like he deserves to move on from robin. 'red robin' lol but if he touches dick's name again i will stab him
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I keep casually forgetting that other people can see me on this website
;v; You'd think I'd learn my lesson BUT NOOOO-
TvT To everyone's who's ever interacted with my crackhead ideas, THANK YOU
YA'LL ARE THE BEST
#ama thoughts#ama talks#ama rambles#ama rants#THANK YOU#i like imagining classrooms full of the people who's left a like on my stuff or reblogged#like#"Damn#“OMG THAT'S LIKE FOUR CLASSROOMS OF PEOPLE”#HUH??#Where do you all COME FROM#QwQ#But thank you#It really makes my day knowing that this stuff is seen uwu
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Archer Rama when?
idk but heres a lakshmana attempt thats been floating around my brain recently
#i know nothing of his source idk why i suddenly had the urge to attempt it#you can tell i had TONS of fun being forced to try to make him resemble r/amas f/go design#while also not upstaging said design#so hes like. inspired by stuff#this one is just like a guy tbh i kind of like it even if its not a great l design#my asks#dont let the rbf he somehow got fool you hes actually very nice
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Tries to buy something from Ama/zon (tears hair) (vomits blood) (breaks all their bones) (faints to the ground) (starts convulsing) (drops dead)
#I don't know how people buy stuff on Ama/zon on regular basis tbh.#This is like the second time in my whole life I've resorted to buying from it and... I just can't.#I find it so unethical on every front it seriously made me feel sick and needing to throw up#I just wanted to buy a present for my birthday is that too much to ask.#Yet I've been meaning to buy it the whole day and I just ////// c a n t //////. Like I seriously can't I'm not strong enough#Last time it was a present for a friend so I didn't feel that guilty since it wasn't destined to me. But now it's? Phisically painful?#I guess it doesn't help that I'm just not used to buying things for myself outside groceries in general ;;;;;;#Like I never feel the need for a treat the Tumblr posts talk about I just. Buy food and necessities. I'm a boring person okay#Tbh I feel like I'll really end up with no present this time around because I don't know. I really don't think I will make up my mind#Sorry needed to vent I've been stuck on this the whole day#random rambles#Does anyone have any tip on how to stop feeling guilty for buying something for myself once a year?#Then again who am I trying to fool. It's Ama/zon. We're all conscious of the problems that come with it. I SHOULD feel guilty#Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.
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your blog is aesthetically pleasing. just thought you should know lol
Thank you!! I pride myself on aesthetics and making everything look visually tasty especially because I'm a visual artist who's favourite part of the art process is colouring :]
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Hey puff! So you said Hades is a "mess who hasn't spilled over" and there are definitely some warning signs even now - Artemis' dislike, the ominous grin in the last chapter does not bode well for Alex, him treating Minthe pretty badly and dismissively, being open about his attraction to Kore while acknowledging Minthe, eating Dio to shut him up and laughing about it (No Kronos flashbacks, Hades??) Of course he did a lot of this in LO too but that was framed as a good thing and you seem more self aware than that.
My question is are he and Kore still endgame with his bad traits? Or is Kore just hiding a much darker, more selfish side who would like all this?
Hades and Kore are both very, VERY complicated people with complicated backstories that involve both the good and the bad. They're both victims of circumstance as well as their own wrongdoings (even the ones that were well-intentioned, they're both walking the road to hell wink wink), they're both holding on to some pretty dark shit and we're going to be exploring plenty of both sides along the way. I'm obviously trying not to spoil anything, but I will say that Hades and Persephone are not going to have a cut-and-dry 'fairy tale romance' like what was attempted in LO, Rekindled is attempting to be a more faithful retelling of the original Hymn to Demeter after all (or at least its original themes and messaging). They're both incredibly damaged people with a lot of tightly-sealed baggage that DESPERATELY needs to be unpacked and we all know what happens to relationships built on those types of foundations ;0 So that's all ima say on that ~
As for the irony of Hades 'eating' Dionysus, hurt people hurt people. Though I wouldn't worry about Dionysus, he just projects his consciousness into berries, he's alive and well ;) As for Hades... let's just say you shouldn't eat berries possessed by the god of madness, guy is gonna have a harsh comedown LOL
#i'd be lying if i said i wasn't worried about how people are gonna react to their respective backstories once it comes time to tackle them#when i say dark shit i MEAN dark shit#i'm really excited to tackle both characters but it's also very nerve-wracking and challenging because i want to make the messaging clear#fair warning ahead of time tho-#it's gonna be FULL of content warnings#i really don't fuck around when it comes to character writing and tragic backstories LOL#i am NOT afraid to go for the gut-punching stuff#so yeah buckle up#we're gonna get through this together#ask me anything#ama#anon ama#anon ask me anything#lore rekindled#lore rekindled ama
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okay i know i always shade layla with blue, but her with red blush is so cute
#ama mumbles#layla (oc)#bc likes shes not Actually blue thats just artisitic stuff#her with a red little blush....#her skin tone is actually red too! i just shade with blues for the cool tones#at the very least i should make her lips red oguhfu lmao
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Do you usually write notes on a notebook or a notes app on your phone/pc?
Post-Its. I'm old school :P
#ask box#AMA#writing physically makes it easier to remember stuff#the only note on my phone is my grocery list
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the two instances from team cherry being extremely strange abt how hornet and ghost are siblings is so fucking weird like i keep forgetting abt that. they literally are siblings explicitly in the game theyre not "Sort of related" u stupid bitches
#hk spoilers#LIKE.. CAN YOU NOT....!!!!#its litearlly not weird in the game at all it was a weird and disappointing response to a gross question in the ama#U DID NOT HAVE TO ANSWER ABT THE FANFIC PART EITHER#and a weird pre release fan art they posted to the blog like u did Not have to do that even if it was spoilers to say they were siblings#stuff like this makes me so tired with an awesome game like the stuff u learn outside out it#incest mention#< implied
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You know what makes me angry? Substance users whose substance use endangers the people who are trying to help them. My patient smoked what was likely fentanyl in his room tonight which just firstly is a fire risk in a building where every room is hooked to oxygen and then also let me walk in and breathe that.
#I feel shitty. finally finished calling the hospitalist and getting my note written on it and all that stuff and escaped to eat something#makes me so frickin angry#the patient started threatening to leave AMA mid search and honestly? go#let’s see how long you make it before you go septic again with that leg#anyway drugs suck don’t recommend#got six hours left in this shift yay#nursing
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Finally turned my google doc with a table full of my NSR info into a google sheet because you can’t make custom doc sizes, which is so stupid!
Anyway, now I can add a lot more stuff without worrying about making my rows more than one line because I am weird and like things really small! :D
#rambling#noart#eritalks#38 characters so far#soon to gain more#once i make extended family members of characters#like t/atiana n/eon and m/ama#their parents#gotta keep all this stuff organized#otherwise i would never remember lol#oh!#i should add my food headcanons to this list#since now i have room!#okay rambling over#gonna sleep soon#(after making sleep headcanons)#lol
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