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cyjammy · 3 months

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Vox and Alastor’s Dynamic is so FUN

Hazbin Hotel Season 1 Episode 2 Spoilers ahead!

I have to talk about Vox and Alastor’s “rivalry”. I love how Alastor just couldn’t care less, he’s witty, he’s emotionless and that makes him all the more powerful.

Well, not emotionless since he does express outward disgust towards anything digital, but the fact he can keep himself composed because he knows he is the shit and that’s what makes him my absolute favorite.

That showed through in the pilot and the show didn’t fail to deliver. I love how he’s handled. Viv’s characterization is wonderful.

Most fics I have read with Alastor have shown him as vunerable despite the story never alluding to that and it’s such a breath of fresh air to have canon content of Alastor being his authentic self.

My god do I love a character that’s strong and not swayed by emotion, but they can be handled well too. I.E. VOX oh my god. Every fanon had him pegged down as the victim to Val’s wrath, but he’s the mastermind behind the scenes. A complete subversion of everyone’s expectations. And that’s for another post I’m about to go crazy on, but I digress.

Vox is a man up in his ivory electronic tower with villainous intentions, but he falls short because of emotion!

Handling Velvet’s demands to get Val together? A quick pep talk with himself and he’s got it.

Addressing unforeseen circumstances with concerned sinners? Easy.

But Alastor?

He sees RED. He let Valentino have it when he even thought about going on a rampage over a sinner under his thumb.

When it comes to Alastor, Vox goes on a hate campaign and makes a fool of himself.

Meanwhile, Alastor was minding his business, and Vox couldn’t deal with that.

So much so he causes a blackout in the Wrath ring!

Why? Because of his rejection sensitivity.

He is this all powerful overlord with companions in his rule and when he asks someone of similar station to become his equal he gets rejected.

It’s unheard of for him. He cannot fathom it.

Because that makes Alastor a factor he cannot control.

Val says that Alastor “almost beat him”. Val may not have witnessed that fight and Vox spun it around to claim he came out on top.

But if he did, he definitely wouldn’t let Alastor get away.

Valentino and Vox have known each other for a long time, as shown in a photo in the background in the episode.

So either this spat began before they had met and Vox lied or Valentino witnessed it. I'm excited to see which way that goes.

In terms of influence, Alastor seems to win that battle. Vox is in charge of electrical currents and anything in the digital space.

Alastor is so far removed from that Vox has no influence over him. He refuses to be involved with new technology.

But with Vox having an army of sinners under his wing through subliminal messaging, he had security and power.

With Alastor’s return he brings CHARISMA and he’s doing it SO FUCKING WELL.

This is not a battle, it’s a slaughter, and Alastor is WINNING. With television there are so many ways to captivate a viewer but with radio all the host has is their voice and personality. It all has to be shown in a medium that doesn’t have many options for uniqueness.

Alastor defends himself with grace. He throws out compliments to his fellow overlords while still having it be a slight to the man who began the fight.

THE Vs ARE PREENING AT HIS PRAISE. THIS MAN IS GOATED.

It's night and day, but that's probably because Valentino and Velvet are tired of Vox's shit. I love this parallel so much!

Vox needed to be the person he was with Valentino at all times if this is a battle he wants to win, but he’s so bitter he will never see that.

He’s stubborn and that’s his main flaw.

And I fucking love it.

Alastor knows what he’s thinking and how to avoid it.

Always a step ahead. And their duet showcases that perfectly.

Alastor uses his opponent’s power against them, seeing the slanderous TV campaign and immediately going on air.

He does that in the pilot as well and seeing that this has become a habit for him is so fun to see.

Alastor is not to be messed with and I feel like people decided to gloss over that. But it’s so in your face you cannot deny it.

Alastor is TERRIFYING with a chilling deposition that will give you nightmares if you dare cross him.

Give him the respect he fucking deserves.

And the music and the visuals of the song — A whole fucking masterpiece.

I’m in love with their dynamic so far and I can’t wait to see where it goes.

So far Vox is the obsessed fanatic that couldn’t handle rejection.

There has to be more than that.

#hazbin hotel #hazbin vox #Vox #Alastor #Hazbin hotel season 1 episode 2 #i love this show #it’s so good

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blood-loving-leech · 3 months

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episode 1 here

episode 2 here

episode 3 here

episode 4 here

links for the first four hazbin hotel episodes for everyone who doesn’t want/can’t afford amazon prime, enjoy and share!!

#forgive me for the spam tagging i just wanna get this to people who wanna see the show <3 #hazbin hotel #hazbin alastor #hazbin angel dust #hazbin charlie #hazbin vaggie #hazbin husk #hazbin vox #huskerdust #hazbin hotel season 1 #hazbin hotel episode 1 #hazbin hotel episode 2 #hazbin hotel episode 3 #hazbin hotel episode 4

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lenok993 · 2 months

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Alastor Hazbin

Theory time ~ I assume Alastor's last name is Hazbin. Charlie's hotel was renamed by him for some reason. In episode 5 Lucifer mocked him "well it's not very clever" and after that Alastor lost his patience. It's hard not to take it personally when it's your last name, right?

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character-estudio · 2 months

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I mean, you’ve been gone for a while, and it’s not like anybody knows why.

Hazbin Hotel | 1.02 → 1.05

#hazbin hotel #radio killed the video star #dad beat dad #vox #alastor #valentino #husk #hazbin spoilers #spoilers #amazon prime #prime video #episode 2 #episode 5 #season 1 #1.02 #1.05 #flashing gif #edit

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bpdfishprince · 2 years

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Blitzos dads name is Cash Buckzo

So blitzos canonical full name is

BLITZO FUCKING BUCKZO

#helluva boss #hazbin hotel #vivziepop #cash buckzo #blitzo #blitz #helluva boss season 2 #helluva boss season 2 episode 1 #helluva boss the circus #helluva boss spoilers #helluva boss season 2 spoilers #HAHAHAHAHHAHA IM FUCKING DYING #BLITZO BUCKZO #worth waiting up til 3am to watch #this is a cash buckzo unsafe space

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thedrunkenreadersreviews · 3 months

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Alastor's Villain Era ...

EDIT: It has been confirmed on Alastor's official Hazbin Hotel Wiki page that he was, indeed, having a panic attack.

Fireball seemed fitting.

*Long sip, sip*

Okay, I have had some time to calm down and think about things. I rewatched it all and thought long and hard.

*Sip, sip*

What the heck was going on with Alastor in the finale? Well, I think it is tremendously complicated.

To be honest, I know the popular theory is that via his deal he HAS to be at the hotel probably to defend it. While I want to agree with this theory, I can't put my full faith in it. It is a good theory, a great one, one that I held onto for most of season one. Now I'm not saying I'm dismissing it, rather, I am having doubts.

Because he left after he was hit. And who in their right mind would send Alastor, a deal-making demon, to where Charlie is?

But for the sake of this post, I'm going with the popular theory that he is there because of the deal he made.

*Sip, sip*

But let's look at episode 7 and episode 8 as sort of a package. Viv is the most detailed animator I have ever seen. She puts the smallest details in everything; from the news crawls to Vox's blue screen, Alastor's coffee mug, Adam eating ribs, the pictures in the background of everyone's rooms, like there are so many things that give you more information than what the characters could give you themselves. Nothing is in there just to be there; it is all connected.

*Sip, sip*

Alastor's microphone is an extension of himself and that is made exceptionally clear in episode 8.

In episode 7, he gives Charlie his microphone.

He's slipping. And by that "fuck" moment in episode 8, he knows he is slipping.

I am of the mind that Alastor made that deal with Charlie for future plans regarding breaking his contract. He didn't ask for her soul (not entirely sure, but I have some theories as to why), and then took her to see Rosie.

Rosie, who he considers to be one of his only few friends. And while Charlie, who is going through a rough spot that Alastor is completely aware of, is trying to speak to the crowd, Alastor offers her his microphone---an extension of himself. He gives her a small thumbs up (such a dad move), and builds her up throughout the number.

And when he is alone with Rosie, watching Charlie sing about her stepping up to be the Princess of Hell, this is what they tell each other:

Rosie: They're marching along. They're singing her song!

Alastor: Surprised? Why, I knew she could do it all along!

Both: She's bound to pass the test as Princess of Hell! Like her daddy, she is madly powerful!

Alastor: She's filled with potential that I could guide.

Rosie: I concur!

Both: Stick with her and you'll be on the winning side!

Now let's look at episode 8 and what he says to Niffty, his other close friend:

Alastor: It's been a surprising thrill to witness these wayward souls find connection. It almost makes one sentimental, ay, Niffty?

Niffty: I really like them, Alastor. They let me put on roach puppet shows without booing.

Alastor: Ah, an enjoyable collective to be around. I admit, one could become accustomed.

It should be noted, that he is looking at them from above with his face in his hands, leaning on the rail of a balcony, as if he doesn't feel like he belongs among them ... but almost wants to be.

*Sip, sip*

While I think his verse with Rosie is more about being on Charlie's side for power, he didn't need to give her his microphone. And he was alone with Niffty, he didn't have to put on a front or say anything like that but he did.

*Sip, sip*

It is obvious that they talked battle strategy prior to the fight. Charlie, without question, is the strongest person in the hotel. Even Alastor knows this as he also knows Charlie does not know how to use her powers in such circumstances. So it is decided that he, the second strongest who knows how to use his powers in a battle-way, would go onto the roof of the hotel. It is decided that Alastor will cast the forcefield.

But more than that. After the "fuck" moment, when Charlie sees Adam return to the main melee, she says, "But Alastor was supposed to ..."

Meaning they agreed that Alastor was going to SOLO fight ADAM! That was the arrangement. And Alastor seemed all too happy to agree to it. But this is how he handles beings he knows have superior powers to him.

With Lucifer, he finds something he knows will get under Lucifer's skin.

With Adam, he openly mocks him and for a while, he may think that Adam is too sloppy to really do any damage.

*Sip, sip*

And then ... "ffffffuuck."

And he nearly dies. That wound is not small. Alastor is cut. Bad. And in that moment, when he is on the ground, looking around, manic eyes, that is pure prey behavior. That is pure terror.

Alastor is terrified. Because he got hit. Bad. And he is on the threshold of death.

In the stream before the premier, Amir refused to answer the question of what scares Alastor, saying it would be too much of a spoiler and Viv agreed with him.

Alastor is terrified of dying. He retreats to heal up; granted, after a blow like that, I am not sure he would have been any help should he have lingered. Was it cowardly? Yes. Did it make sense? Absolutely. He is terrified and too badly wounded to push on after that.

*Sip, sip*

And then we hear his verse in the song. And these lyrics, coupled with Amir's fantastic ability to convey so much emotion into Alastor's voice (who needs it the most on account of his permanent grin), and the eyes, the hand placements, his body language, even his smile is off.

Alastor is having a mental breakdown. He is having the mother of all panic attacks. He is on the brink of foaming at the mouth in madness.

Because he knows he is slipping, and this deal is going to get him killed.

He defended that hotel (probably because he was forced to) but also in part because he cares to some extent for the hazbins. At least, he is rather fond of them, as we see when he speaks to Niffty.

And the thought that he is slipping, starting to have emotions, is forced to be there (possibly), and cannot access all of his powers (as is implied in the lyrics of his verse) because of the deal he made, he cannot fathom it. He cannot accept it. It is mentally destroying him.

I got hurt. I got hurt bad. I almost died. I barely escaped. All because of this damn hotel and my damn deal!

The visuals of that scene, from the background and the accompanying music---which is much darker for Alastor's than any of the other character's verses---compounded spectacularly by Alastor's movements show us that he is slipping into madness. He is becoming desperate to be free of his deal, he wants not power per se but security. If enough people are afraid of him, if he has enough power and influence (which is where I think Charlie comes in) then others won't try to hurt him.

*sip, sip*

Alastor's verse starts off somber, him reflecting on the fact that he almost got killed. And then it is shifts into his own mocking.

I do not think he sings, "Great Alastor, altruist, died for his friends," seriously. He says it like it is a headline in a newspaper. And his expression! His eyes are wide and wild, his smile large and somber, his brows are furrowed, he's dragging a hand down his face. He is distraught at the thought of this. Me? Dying for them? No! Not going to happen! I won't let that happen!

And he immediately corrects us and himself for thinking that that is the case. "Sorry to disappoint [us, those watching]. That is not where this ends!" Here, he is angry. He slams his fist into the control panel, draws his claws through it, and emphasizes that not. He is telling us as much as himself that he will not die for such a noble reason. And he is certainly not done in Hell yet, as obvious by his very next line.

"I'm hungry for freedom like never before." His hands are around him---around where he got cut---before spreading outwards. His eyes, the whole time, are on his hands. This deal is suppressing his powers. And this deal probably put him into the hotel. He is looking at his hands as if willing his freedom and his power to come back to him, because if he had them, he wouldn't have nearly gotten killed.

*Sip, sip*

Now is where we truly start to see him slipping into madness.

This deal, this oppression of my powers, and the people I have met because of those two things nearly got me killed! No way in Hell can I accept that.

Alastor is now more desperate than ever.

"The constraints of my deal surely have a back door."

The animators zoom in on his face. His eyes are going all over the place, his hands are approximately covering his ears, his smile is more clenched teeth than anything. It is the purest expression of a panic attack I have ever seen (and as someone who has suffered from panic attacks so severe I had to be hospitalized on numerous occasions), it is spot on. Everything just seems so loud when you are in that bout of excessive worry. You look all over the place for possible dangers, it is difficult to stand up straight (Alastor has been slouching this entire scene when he usually has perfect posture) and you hunt for an answer with such eagerness that your mind runs a million miles a minute trying to find one while also sifting through every possibility of what could go wrong. That is Alastor's expression at that moment. I have seen myself having attacks. It looks exactly like that.

"Once I figure out how to unclip my wings ..."

You don't even see his face anymore. It's a back shot and he's walking toward an ominous green light, the color of his power when it is manifesting. And he is still slouched slightly, still unsteady.

*Sip, sip*

Now here is the tumble.

"Guess [his "ears" are down in airplane mode, guess who is tormenting me right now] who will [now his ears go up and he fully turns around to face us, but I won't be leashed to them for long] be pulling all the strings!"

This is when we see his face again, back to its more calm appearance. That is him telling himself that he will never be put in such a situation again. He is going to be the one moving the pieces, not the other way around. And he slowly comes out of that slouching position as this line progresses. And he lifts his arms up while emerging from the green light is his shadow---his powers---rising with his voice, his body, his eyes too.

*sip, sip*

And what seals it for me is that laugh. That is not the laugh we have heard from Alastor all season. Alastor starts with like a giggle in his throat that bubbles up into something louder and more sadistic. The laugh that we hear at the end of episode 2 is very similar to the one in episode 5 just before he goes on his rampage.

This laugh is manic. It doesn't start as a low giggle in the throat. It is in full volume from the get-go. The only way I can describe it is sort of like a Joker laugh. He is gone.

*Sip, sip*

It is a treat, a true treasure, to see an evil character again. Every time Alastor is on the screen, you really don't know what he is going to do next. Even though he said he is at the hotel to see people fail, I call BS as I think most people do. Sure, that may be just a perk to him, but that is not the main reason. At the end of season 1, we still do not know for sure what Alastor's motivation is. We still don't know beyond getting himself free what is his goal.

That is why he is so incredible to watch. He can go anywhere, he could do anything, and it will surprise us.

I don't think he is leashed to Lilith but there is certainly something there. As for being gone for 7 years, I have a few theories. Lilith apparently made a deal with Adam or Lute or someone, as when Lute tells her that Adam is dead she mentions that their deal is off now. I want to think more on my theories before I post them but the main one is, for whatever reason, I think Alastor was in purgatory for 7 years.

"How to unclip my wings." That's a very interesting choice of lyric and if there is one thing we know for sure about this show, every lyrical line is chosen very carefully.

*Sip, sip*

Well, I think this post is long enough. I see Alastor soon going into a manic rampage. What I wanted most since the trailer for season 1 dropped (based on some of the scenes that were in it) was for Adam and Alastor to fight on the roof of the hotel. And man, even though Alastor lost, I still loved it! It showed us so much about Alastor's character and why he thought he could handle Adam alone. Going into season 2, I want to see Alastor unleashed. Fully unhinged, manic out of his mind, unleashed.

And please, let me know what you guys think! I love reading your comments. It helps me develop new theories too.

As the King Roach himself said in the Pilot:

Stay tuned!

*Sip, sip*

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel alastor #hazbin hotel charlie #hazbin hotel spoilers #hazbin hotel episode 8 #hazbin hotel episode 7 #hazbin hotel season 1 #hazbin hotel season 2 #hazbin hotel adam #vivziepop

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th3p0rtalmaker · 3 months

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I just rewatched the season 1 finale and paid more attention to what Lute said to Lilith- What did she mean by "your deal is done"? What role does Adam's death play in said deal? Did Lilith make a deal with heaven, or with Alastor? Or BOTH? What "foundation of heaven" was Lute referring to? Did Sir Pentious circumvent it somehow, or did he vindicate it in a totally unexpected way? How/why is Charlie's hotel threatening that foundation? WHY DID LILITH ABANDON HER FAMILY TO HANG OUT ON A BEACH IN HEAVEN??? (Also did Lute have a legit crush on Adam...?)

#hazbin hotel spoilers #hazbin hotel #season 1 finale #episode 8 spoilers #lute #lilith #hazbin hotel theories #season 2 theories

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kelsonius · 2 months

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Hazbin Hotel | 1x2 - “Radio Killed the Video Star”

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blue-rose-soul · 2 months

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For Bastard child au. Assuming that Lucifer finds out before the finale how would he respond to knowing Alastor got hurt fighting Adam? How would Charlie?

I've been waiting for an excuse to talk about this! Well, not this exactly, just...

Okay, so the general consensus is that Lucifer couldn't step in sooner with the extermination because he had an agreement with Heaven, and that Adam broke that agreement by targeting Charlie, a hellborn. Alastor may be Lucifer's son, but he was born on Earth to a human mother. He has a human soul and came to Hell as a sinner. An extremely powerful sinner, but a sinner nonetheless.

In other words, he's not protected under the same agreement.

But! But but but, I figure Lucifer must have been keeping an eye on the battle from somewhere, so he could know when to step in. So he saw Adam and Alastor fight, saw Alastor nearly die, and saw him barely escape with his life. In the end, Niffty doesn't need to step in to finish Adam.

"You come at me, and my family!?"

Lucifer does it himself.

They know Alastor isn't dead thanks to Husk (and possibly Niffty) but are still concerned when they can't find him in the ruins of the old hotel. Lucifer does make an attempt to look for Alastor, but he doesn't know Alastor well enough to know where to look. But his daughter is still here and still needs him, so Lucifer puts the search aside and helps Charlie rebuild her hotel.

And in the end, Alastor returns. Alastor would shove Lucifer off when he joins in the group hug, but he doesn't want to aggravate the wound he's pretending not to have*.

I think that, whether or not she knew Alastor was her brother, Charlie would show the same amount of concern for him. Wanting to know what happened after Adam broke through his shield, why he disappeared from the battle. Just, wanting to know if he's okay. Alastor just brushes off her questions and keeps her at a distance. The biggest change is really between Lucifer and Alastor, and later between Lucifer and Charlie.

The guilt is crushing Lucifer. He knows how badly hurt Alastor was, and knows that instead of coming back to the people who would help him, he hid away somewhere to heal alone. Lucifer tries to be subtle about it, but he's constantly checking in on Alastor, asking if there's anything he needs, or anything Lucifer can do for him. He's not subtle at all.

And Alastor is not at all amused. He doesn't care that Lucifer was late to the battle! He didn't ask for or want Lucifer's help! It was his own fault for getting sloppy and letting Adam get a hit in (not to mention a disadvantageous deal but he's not saying that bit), and he doesn't need Lucifer coddling him. Unfortunately, with his cane broken and his body healing slowly, Alastor is uniquely vulnerable for the first time in a long time. But Lucifer's awkward hovering and Charlie's concern is only serving to make Alastor all the more agitated. So he sticks the needle where it hurts; Lucifer's guilt.

He accuses Lucifer of waiting until after Adam had mortally wounded Alastor specifically so his 'mistake' would be erased. Of wanting him deader than dead.

Then he coldly tells Lucifer that if he can't be bothered to show up when it matters, he shouldn't show up at all.

Later, he assures Charlie he doesn't hold any negative feelings towards her even though Lucifer came running to her rescue while he was willing to let Adam nearly eviscerate Alastor. After all, it stands to reason that Lucifer would choose his real child over a bastard. The King of Hell has made it perfectly clear he doesn't need a 'busboy.' Charlie tries to speak in Lucifer's defense, but, Alastor is pleased to note, her heart isn't in it.

Afterwards, he listens from the shadows and grins as he hears Charlie asking Lucifer why he saved her but not Alastor. Lucifer telling her the terms of the agreement he made with Heaven doesn't satisfy her. Alastor's her brother, they're both Lucifer's children! Lucifer should have stepped in, agreement be damned! The recently repaired cracks in their relationship begin to widen once again and Alastor is pleased.

(*I'm going to cackle if season 2 drops and it turns out we were all wrong and Alastor's completely fine.)

#ask #anonymous #Hazbin Hotel #the Devil's Bastard AU #Lucifer Morningstar #Charlie Morningstar #Alastor #and here on your right you'll see Alastor taking advantage of Charlie's desire for a sibling bond to drive a wedge between her and Lucifer #Season 2 episode 1 prediction: Alastor's got his cane back and he's not injured in any way shape or form!#but not in this AU in this AU he's bleeding every minute of every day lol #just imagine Alastor dealing with wave after wave of upstart sinners thinking they can become Overlords #if they just get in a lucky hit on the injured Radio Demon #not to mention whatever Vox and the Vees are planning #and all the while Alastor's choking on his own blood acting like he's fine #and glaring at Lucifer every time he tries to step in

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zorubark · 2 months

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Both Adam and Sir Pentious are dubbed by the same guy, they died on the same episode

WHAT IF ADAM RESPAWNS IN HELL JUST LIKE SIR PENTIOUS DID IN HEAVEN

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fizzarolli-fizzie-frogg · 3 months

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a little clip from the awesome show btw love the dynamic between those 2

#angel dust hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel vox #valentino hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel season 1 #episode 2 spoilers #Radio Killed the Video Star #Youtube

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ellapastoral · 15 days

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Just dropped my hazbin hotel deep dive y'all <3!

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hezuart · 2 years

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I’m just gonna leave this here bc this left me baffled.

(What does this mean for the timeline viv jfc)

Yeah that's not the same. That's a contextual retcon.

"I can't believe you slept in our bed with an imp! You wanted to go to a motel with him like a plebian?! You're a goddamn embarrassment! I'm not spending another moment looking at your pathetic, imp sucking face!"

Stella mentions nothing about a divorce, she only speaks about Stolas sleeping with someone else (which is weird because she and Stolas don't have a sex life according to the new episode). She makes no indication about a divorce. Stolas himself makes no indication of a divorce.

"You want to sleep with this imp too?!"

"No! of course not!"

What do you mean 'no of course not'? You and Stella haven't slept with each other in what I'd assume years. She doesn't know who Blitzo is; frankly, Stolas doesn't either. Weird choice of words if this character is supposed to have been gay this entire time. Unless there's an odd joke in here about being Blitzo-sexual ..... that's your childhood friend you haven't seen in years bud... I know you're drunk but.... I mean does this make Stolas demisexual?

Also I don't know how things work in hell, but you don't need the other party to agree to a divorce. Granted, it's a lot more work and legal stuff in court to deal with, but you can get a divorce by default through a judge if your partner won't agree to it.

Why would Stolas be so vocal about a divorce all of a sudden if Viv is also trying to claim he only stayed with Stella and kept his bad relationship with her a "secret" from Octavia to give her a "normal life"? Octavia walks in and Stolas doesn't even realize she's there and he's like "good morning, did you sleep well? : D " As though he and Stella haven't just been screaming all morning about what Viv now claims is a divorce. He's not even concerned about the ramifications of his divorce, where he could potentially lose custody over Octavia. He just goes about his day as though everything is "normal", as though nothing happened.

Octavia also wakes up to Stella and Stolas screaming, and immediately gets annoyed and blasts her music, indicating she is used to this occurring, meaning their relationship has been obviously bad to Octavia PRIOR to Stolas sleeping with Blitzo, when Stolas hasn't done anything to actually warrant any anger from Stella.

The Timeline is as follows, according to Viv:

-Blitzo sleeps with Stolas and steals his book.

-THE NEXT MORNING, Stolas wakes up, proclaims a divorce with Stella, and then Stella marches up to their house and has a fight with him.

-Stolas then proceeds to call Blitzo to be his bodyguard at Loo Loo Land.

We have several issues here. Loo Loo land is the SECOND time Blitzo and Stolas ever meet after their 20+ years apart. So

A, Why did they act so friendly with each other in Loo Loo Land as though they had been screwing for weeks when they've allegedly only had a one-night stand? B, how on Earth did Stolas know Blitzo's phone number? Blitzo never told him where he worked, and Stolas did no research prior. Blitzo also seems to have Stolas's phone number, since he knows immediately who called him even in episode one prior to their "fucking" deal; which makes no sense. Why did Blitzo have Stolas's phone number prior to him stealing the book? (This indicates they had been fucking for some time before Blitzo had stolen the book, especially since Stolas says "I've been meaning to follow up on our last conversation regarding my Grimoire-, I've been permitting you to use it less than legally for some time now..." Stolas and Blitzo never had a prior conversation about his Grimoire unless they had been fucking several times prior to Blitzo stealing the book!) however, according to season 2, they haven't spoken to each other in 25 years. (which, again, is illogical!!!!) C, in the first episode, Stolas calls Blitzo while he's taking a bath to forge their exchange agreement. When in the hell did he have time between the minuscule timeframe of him waking up from the one-night stand to yelling with Stella, to inviting Octavia to Loo Loo Land with him? There IS no time. And Because of the episode release, Stolas makes that deal with Blitzo in episode one, meaning the one-night stand and Loo Loo Land happens AFTER episode one??? But that is simply not possible. Would Viv try to claim that episode two is actually a PREQUEL to episode one?! This is a mess!

This was definitely not planned from the beginning; it is a retcon & messy timeline that Viv is either embarrassed she forgot (or never properly established in the first place), or she just changed her mind about the story and is trying to cover it up.

It's not a huge deal I guess, but her defending this and trying to twist this around to being something it's not is a bit concerning. A lot of authors like to lie about "this was my plan all along!"

The truth is they either made a mistake or changed their mind. It's like JK Rowling saying "Hermione can be black because her skin color was never stated" when no, her skin color was clearly stated, she was a white girl. The reality of the situation is JK Rowling wrote a book about a bunch of white kids, and because fans were disappointed in the lack of diversity, they latched onto Hermione and race bent her for fun and to relate to her better.

Rowling saw what fans were doing, and to try and get diversity points, she made it so Hermione and Rose were black in the Cursed Child play. Diversity is great, inclusion is great, but lying about this being the case "all along" is not great. Just say "I saw the black community was attached to Hermione and I thought, why not? Harry Potter could use more POC." or simply "Black Hermione is great! The actors do such a great job with her character." Fans wouldn't have been frustrated with her if she had told the truth!

Obviously, this situation isn't the exact same, but it's just concerning when you start to see a writer lie instead of admitting they made a mistake or simply changed their mind and wanted to retcon something to better fit their narrative (and hey, if she wanted to do that, then fine! But at least be truthful and let fans know!); because they can start to spiral and lie about more things in the future, making their word untrustworthy. I've unfortunately had experience with people like this.

I've worked with writer liars before. They lie about far more than just writing, I'll tell ya that. Things can get real bad and real messy when you start not only lying to fans of a project, but to your fellow coworkers about things as well.

Viv has already had a lot of allegations against her, (some false, but some proven) so if she turns out to be a liar on top of that, it won't exactly be surprising. But it's really disappointing. She was supposed to be a mascot indie animation studio for future generations. But she's gone half corporate herself, plays favoritism, doesn't support indie voice actors that attracted everyone to her project to begin with; prefers famous EXPENSIVE broadway actors instead, and may not even work for Hazbin Hotel anymore. It's really sad. Indie animators are in way over their heads than I think they realize.

#Helluva Boss #stolitz #vivziepop #Hazbin Hotel #long post #ask #text post #viv has some good ideas but is really poor at executing them #especially by herself #season 2 episode 1 messed everything up

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ischramart · 2 years

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Helluva Boss season 2: fan service

I'm posting this screenshot separately, because people need to see this regardless of their opinion on the new episode

The script for season 2 was already finished the 26th of January 2021, before season 1 episode 3: Spring Broken

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dark-arts-stuff · 3 months

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Soo, I just watched the last episodes of season 1 Hazbin Hotel, scrolling through fanart and theories for the next season when I noticed a image that was taken in a scene of Alastor's tower.

It's a picture of Alastor on the table with Vox ripped out of it. And that, of course, got my brain rolling and it needs to spill out.

So we all know Vox and Alastor are bitter rivals. Radio V.S. Video. A clearer vision of their dynamic together is introduced in Hazbin Hotel's episode 2 of season 1 "Radio Killed the Video Star" where Vox, hearing that Alastor has returned from his 7 year absence, goes visually upset and makes a direct message on his platform telling sinners what a coward and forgettable person Alastor is, saying video (Vox) is much better than radio (Alastor)

But Alastor comes in using his own way of methods, radio of course, and starts basically beefing with Vox and wins the debate at the end of the song, "Stayed Gone."

It's clear these two hate each other and bicker to each other whenever the chance is given.

If that's so...why was there a picture of Alastor and Vox before Alastor ripped out Vox in it?

Well, it's kinda clear. These two were probably business partners in the past before something made them rivals.

It could be that these two couldn't get along because of their dispute between modern technology and radio. Or maybe how Alastor almost beat Vox one time that Valentino mentions.

Also, even though these two are rivals, Vox is obviously obsessed with Alastor. Wanting to see his down fall, wanting to overtop him, and getting very happy when Alastor retreats with his fight with Adam.

Yet, know we know these two use to be business partners and maybe, even to a degree, friends. Yet something tore them apart and now one of them is at the other's throat. Is it deeper than we think or is it really just because Alastor said no to being on Vox'a team?

Also I know people ship Alastor and Vox together (StaticRadio) so I'll also put in my input to how this plays out. If you don't care, you can skip this part.

I don't think they were exes. Why? Yes, Alastor is ace in the show, stated by Rosie. So I think it's not "lovers turned into bitter rivals" but more a one sided love by Vox that got his heart broken by Alastor whether intended or not. That would explain why Vox is obsessed with Alastor in someway, dealing with heartbreak is hard.

If they were friends, maybe Vox did love Alastor, but Alastor did not reputate those feelings back. When Alastor rejected Vox's offer for his friend to join the team, maybe Vox felt like Alastor rejected him. Is that why he's so bitter?

We'll have to see in Season 2.

#hazbin hotel #hazbin hotel vox #vox #hazbin vox #hazbin alastor #hazbin hotel alastor #alastor #staticradio

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