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Sinners aren’t the only ones who can be overlords (theory)
⚠️ HAZBIN HOTEL SPOILERS ⚠️
I’m not sure if anyone else noticed this (hopefully I’m not late to this idea) but I’m pretty sure overlord status isn’t solely given to sinner demons. I'll be focusing on Rosie and Carmilla but I'm also going to include other characters for comparison sake. I'm also going to reference the Wiki page for the characters as well as things that Faustisse has said in the past while they were still working on the series. Take these with a grain of salt, this is just a theory after all, if I'm proven wrong by the show then so be it lol.
I've seen some talk in the fandom regarding not only Carmilla and her daughters but also Rosie and the residents of Cannible Town. I think the biggest thing I've seen is people being confused as to how Carmilla could have daughters since sinner demons cannot reproduce. A lot of the confusion is regarding how Carmilla could have daughters if she's a sinner given the reproduction issue. I think one of the popular theories is that Odette and Clara happened to die as adults and reunited with Carmilla in hell which makes sense if we are looking at them as sinners. However, while I was looking at the wiki page for Rosie I noticed a pattern with the other characters; their species are typically specified as more than just "demon" if applicable. For example; Moxxie, Milly, and Blitzo are all specified as "imp demons" while Alstor, Vox, and Valentino are specified as "sinner demons" showing that they are different.
(Below is screenshots of the wiki pages from each character mentioned above so you can see what I mean)
Similarly, if we look at Stolas, Charlie, and Octavia, their wiki pages have them labelled as just demons, with no specification, however, we know all three of them are hellborns.
Now I bring this up because if we look at Carmilla and her daughter's Wiki pages, they are denoted as a demon with no further specification.
If we are to take this in the same context as Stolas and Charlie, it's a fair assumption to make that they are all hellborn demons. We don't exactly know how many different subspecies of hellborns there are aside from the ones that have been shown in Helluva Boss. To quote the HH wiki describing the hierarchy, hellborn demons include "Succubi and Incubi, among other unknown demon species of Hell". Who's to say that Carmilla and her daughters aren't part of this unknown subspecies of demons? This I think could help explain how Carmilla has two daughters as a demon.
Now in episode seven, we do see that Carmilla and her daughters were attacked by exorcists. As part of the extermination deal between Lucifer and Heaven, the exorcists are not allowed to kill hellborns. If this is the case, why would the exorcists attack Carmilla? Well, there could be a few reasons. The first reason could be that the exorcists mistook Carmilla and her daughters as sinners. Who knows how much the exorcists are taught about demons and the differences between hellborns and sinners. It could be that these angels mistook them as sinners whether it be because Carmilla looks similar to other sinners, or the exorcists were just caught up in th moment and attacked and demon who passed by. We could also guess that most angels just assume that all the demons in Pride are sinners since it seems that most hellborn demons originate from other rings.
On the other hand, perhaps the exorcist just didn't care. Who knows how long Adam had been planning to move up the exterminations. Who knows how the other exorcists see the exterminations from an individual standpoint. Lute obviously has her own opinions of demons and the exterminations so who knows what the other angels feel. These could have been exorcists who didn't care about the deal. Maybe they thought because they're angles they're better than demons and could perhaps get away with killing a hellborn (the hubris am I right?)? Maybe they thought they could come up with some kind of excuse to get themselves out of it. Who knows.
In a similar vein, I've seen once or twice people on Twitter talk about how the cannibals in Cannibal Town all look relatively similar despite it being shown that sinner demons have unique demon forms (obviously with some similarities if it's between families like Angel and his brother/father for example). I think I saw one tweet suggesting that the cannibals are another subspecies of hellborns (I unfortunately only saw it in passing and don't know the user off the top of my head) and I actually think this could have some merit to it.
Jumping back to the wiki pages, if you look at Rosie's page she also has the "demon" title without any sort of additional specification. Already this matches with what I mentioned at the very beginning regarding Charlie and Stolas. Faustisse also mentions that Rosie didn't die (it's included in Rosie's trivia section) alluding to the idea that she is, in fact, a hellborn demon.
Likewise, while I was looking at the wiki page for Cannibal Town, I noticed this little gem in the trivia section. I think it's safe to assume that the reason all of the cannibal demons look the same/similar is that they are just another subspecies of demons native to Pride. This, again, can explain how there are children in Cannibal Town despite sinners not being able to reproduce; none of them are actually sinners.
Now why do I bring this up? Well for two reasons; one it's just kind of cool to know that sinners aren't the only demons who can potentially gain overlord status. This means that, in theory, other hellborns could also gain higher status if they can make deals and collect souls. There is actually a good chunk of overlords that aren't specified as sinners, such as Velvette and Zestial alongside Carmilla and Rosie. As far as I can tell only Alastor, Vox, and Valentino are sinner demon overlords (we could also include Husk if we take into account that he used to be an overlord before the events of the show). This is just a cool little detail that I didn't catch at first that could end up being important or not important at all later in the show. And again, it can also show that those in the lower ranks of the hierarchy could potentially move up in status, not just the sinners.
The second reason I am bringing up this theory is that it adds another layer to Alastor's plan during the finale. So in the last episode, Alastor brings Charlie to Rosie to ask for assistance in fighting Adam. Now on the surface, we could read into this as Alastor knows Rosie will help because they're friends and he knows she'd be willing to support Charlie. This did likely play a part in why Alastor chose to go to Rosie.
However, if the cannibals are hellborns then perhaps he thought that the hotel would get some kind of win no matter what happened. I mentioned before that as part of the agreement for the exterminations to happen the exorcists can't kill hellborns. Perhaps Alastor took into account that with the cannibals around, the angels would have a harder time getting to the hotel as they would be trying to avoid killing demons that they aren't allowed to kill. This would allow the others more chances to sneak in and kill the exorcists while they're distracted.
On the other hand, he could have assumed that if the exorcists or Adam didn't care about the deal anymore then they would get in major trouble with the rest of Heaven for killing the cannibals. One way or another the Hotel is getting some kind of upper hand in the fight regardless; either they have a way to distract the angles or they put the angels in a position where they get in trouble later.
I tried looking back in the episode to see if any of the cannibals actually died and I couldn't see any. Perhaps it was just for the ease of animating or because it wasn't a huge focus in the battle so the effect the battle had on the cannibals just wasn't shown. Though, if I had to guess since Lucifer didn't show up until after Dazzle died and Charlie was in real trouble then none of the cannibals were injured or killed.
Overall I just think this is kind of a cool theory that I think adds some depth to the characters and/or their actions. Again, this is also just a fan theory so please don't take it as gospel. If anyone on the Hazbin team comes out and expands more on the cannibals and Carmilla that completely contradicts this then it is what it is! This was just something that I noticed today while I was working on a different Hazbin post and I had to write it somewhere lol.
sorry this got super long, I hope it makes sense. Sometimes I have trouble articulating my thoughts when I have ideas like this lol.
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Do u believe in or have any ideas about the whole Overlord Niffty theory?
Actually yeah! For my Niffty I’m going for that route!🐛
HUGE Spoiler alert!!!! Hazbin Hotel @the-burd-lord made these concept designs for me as a gift, I treasure them greatly💖 Their designs inspired from Centichoro from One Punch Man. The other character in the drawings is my take on Alastor!🦌📻
With the reveal of Husk being once an Overlord I like to believe the same with Niffty but rather than gained her power from souls(talked about this with @a-sterling-rose, she was an immensely powerful sinner like Alastor, but alas her form was far too big and scary for people to want to get close to and she was all alone…until Alastor came along and offered her a deal he’d provide a more approachable form in return for her eternal service).
One idea. I imagine she was once a regular sinner like everyone else but was still a centipede like demon so it wasn’t easy to gain peoples trust due to her scary appearance. But one day some overlord or jsut really strong demon or hellborn tried to attack her and in defense or just acting on first instinct…ate into them and ended up becoming stronger and scarier looking in the process, driving even more people to see her as a threat and try to attack only to well…think the Hungry Catepillar but more gruesome and scary.
I can imagine she used to live in the outskirts of the pentagram or underground somewhere as Centipedes can burrow. Occasionally some try to get close to gain power or try to kill her but failed. She was very lonely💔💔💔
Warning scary images.
A lot of her looks meant to be hiding what she is. Disguising her extra limbs as hair, her body’s color scheme based on a centipedes, poofy dress that could cover extra, even the bug design could be Interpreted as a long centipede. I was also going for a subtle sharp, mini legs for her apron ruffles, giving off her trying to look sweet and soft but could also be interpreted in another way…
I read and learned from a @lovesart23 redesign vid for her that, she was meant to be based on B-Alien Movies. LOVE that and I tried it myself(hardest part was figuring out what bug to make her and what themes to go with) but I ended up going for another Sci-Fi route. Kaiju/Giant Bug monsters. Creatures like Godzilla or those giant bugs creatures like “the Tingler” 1959(which was a centipede monster I read). I figure it’d connect well to both her struggles of fitting in but also her Japanese Roots.
Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy. They do not attack people because they want to, but because of their size and strength, mankind has no other choice but to defend himself. After several stories such as this, people end up having a kind of affection for the monsters. They end up caring about them."
— Ishirō Honda The Director of Godzilla
Plus some certain Kaijus could qualify as Aliens!.
There’s even a Yokai/demon based on the centipede known as the Ōkumade! I imagine Niffty’s true form is basically a giant monstrous looking centipede.
What do u think? Any ideas you have for overlord Niffty? I’d love to know💖
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Hazbin hotel theory
The film crew Alastor makes show up for the commercial in episode one, and construction workers who for fixing the broken wall in episode two, look like sinners to me, but in black and white.
These could be forms of his shadows, that he makes perform tasks for him, though I consider this unlikely as from what we've seen in the canon show, Alastor only has the one shadow, a two dimensional version of himself with occasional glowing eyes and personality.
More likely, I think is the darker option, that these are sinners who he made deals with and put under contract to serve him. For some reason, either as time past, or because something happened, they are reduced to black and white versions of themselves. Whether or not they have personalities, or in essence, a soul, remains to be seen. No one has really tried interacting with them that I've noticed. But it could very well be that they are nothing but working bodies at this point, for Alastor to order around.
Which then implies that this is the future Husk and Niffty to look forward to, and potentially Angel Dust as well. The monochrome people appeared out of nowhere when summoned, just like Niffty and Husk were in the pilot. Husk and Angel both will likely find their way out of their respective contracts by the shows end, but there's no guarantee. And even if there was, they certainly wouldn't know it. All they'd have to look forward to is becoming a mindless body for their masters.
But that's just a theory! A Hazbin Theory! (RIP MatPat's face)
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I have the theory that Sir Pentious used to work for or had his soul owned by this particular past Overlord who most likely mistreated him so badly, the snake's little confidence/self worth he had in those years in Hell was broken.
Just look at the big man! He looks like a capitalist, evil British guy 🇬🇧
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The inconstancy/misuse of the powers in HH/HB
(especially in "Oops")
In regards to the episode "Oops" of Helluva Boss and in general I just wanna say that I genuinely don't understand the misuse of the power levels in Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel. The strongest forces in Hell are the seven deadly sins and after that comes the Royalty and after that the overlords. Then the sinners and the Hellborn are the weakest from my understanding.
There are however some instances in the show which just don't make sense, considering the power system. Like, Charlie is the daughter of the most powerful demon in the whole of hell and troughout the show she just doesn't do anything at all. We are to assume that she has a lot of power still. Technically she should be the second strongest demon in hell. Maybe you could say, that she isn't used to her powers and is somewhat inexperienced and young, but she should still be atleast on the same level of strength as the weakest deadly sin, or Stolas I guess.
But all she does is sit around. I know she isn't the confrontational type and is actually quite the pacifist sometimes, still there are moments where she could use her powers to help her plan or just something. She never tries to protect the Hotel when people like Sir Pentious or the guys who were after Mimzy attack, thats always Alastors Job, even though one could guess that she'd be stronger than him if she would make use of her powers. Maybe she could even protect the demons from Alastor, because mindlessly killing random demons is sort of the opposite of what she wanted to accomplish (but apparently she's just fine with that? This goes back to her not being really well defined at all).
When she sees someone who she consideres her friend (Angel) get abused and harassed by someone, she doesn't do anything to help him. Maybe threaten Valentino or just use her high status to do anything. But nothing comes from her.
In the final episode it's also Alastor who has to fight Adam before Lucifer showes up. Charlie puts up a good fight when she finally decides to move but it just showes us all her potential which is never used.
This ignoring of power is so much worse in "Oops" though. The plot is that Asmodeus can't save Fizz from Crimson because of stupid, artificial reasoning. The first thing that is said is that Asmodeus is the weakest sin, which is fine but it doesn't change the fact that he could still just beat up everybody there. Like yeah he might be the weakest but he's still a SIN. He's stronger than Stolas and definitely a hundred times stronger than some random imp without special assisment.
I saw someone say that Ozzie probably sold away a lot of his power, since he often doesn't read the contracts he singes which is a nice theory but I don't consider it, since it's not mentioned in the episode. And even if he signed away more than half of his power, he should still be so much stronger than Crimson. Crimson is just an Imp and we see his group get taken out by Blitzø and Fizzarolli (one Imp with just a knife and one who can't even really fight) so the show can't even mention Ozzies power level as if it's an actual reason for why he can't do anything. We also see that he's still able to stand up to Mammon confidently in the later episode so he obviously is still VERY strong.
Another excuse they try to pull is with the legal documents he has to sign to give him some conflict and a time limit. But that's stupid too, since we know Ozzie can make Portals. He could just teleport there, take Crimson and his Imps out and be back with Fizz and Blitzø in a second. Also, Stolas is there too and he can turn demons into stone just by looking at them. Why doesn't he just do that to the lawyer guy? Then they don't have to sign and could just leave. I mean it's not as if the lawyer should even be an obstacle to Ozzie or Stolas.
The fact that Asmodeus apparently cares so much for his Partner but never thinks about any of this. At the start of the episode he's literally so worried about even the idea of Fizzarolli going to the greed ring without him and still he'd rather sit there and fill out some documents for a guy he could easily beat any second than to save his Partner who could be in ACTUAL life threatening danger!? The same goes for Stolas who we know can tell when Blitzø is in danger (from the episode truth seekers) but never has that instinct to save him here, even when Blitzø is captured too.
It's also just funny that for a place like hell, which we are constantly reminded of as this place without rules and people that care about a government, there's still that apparent necessity to completely follow Crimson's demands and the arbitrary rules he set. Especially for Asmodeus who is one of the strongest leading forces in hell, to just do whatever a random Imp wants, someone who is so many ranks under him (literally the second to last rank in hells society) is just indescribably stupid. Isn't he the one who could just make new rules? Or just decide that he doesn't want to follow certain ones, since in hell apparently no one follows a lot of rules anyways so why is it presented as if he can't do anything.
That's the thing I disliked most about "Oops" because it's so clear that they just had to make something up because they wrote themselves into a corner with Asmodeus and Stolas being so strong. There are probably more moments like this in both shows. Another one I can think of is that Stolas never helped I.M.P out in any of their missions, even though he can tell when Blitzø is in danger and would be a great help to get them out of situations. Obviously this is only brought up in one episode, because they didn't know how to resolve the conflict and then it just disappeares because it would make a lot of struggles in episodes feel weightless since Stolas can just save the Imps from any danger.
It's just another thing Vivzepop brings up and then drops. The inconstancy in these shows (in Helluva boss even more than in Hazbin) is actually annoying and makes episodes so much harder to watch.
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A HH Lucifer-centric AU 6/?
PART 1 , PART 2, PART 3, PART 4, PART 5, PART 7, PART 8, PART 9, PART 10, PART 11, PART 12, PART 13, PART 14, PART 15, PART 16, PART 17, PART 18, PART 19, PART 20, PART 21, PART 22
So excited!!
If any of ya have any theories, I would love to hear them!
Sorry if it's short. Still in weekend mode heh.
The line for the snippet is an Adventure Time reference. Guess which character said it.
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Everyone held their breath. Nothing can be heard except for Valentino's angry growls.
After what happened with moth overlord (was he even still an overlord with no souls contracts left? They need to have a meeting about that), none of the remaining overlords spoke up in defiance. They were at least aware that they can't win against the literal King of Hell, more so with the presence of the other Sins and loyal hellborns.
With no more issues, Lucifer dismiss them.
Alastor stands by the door as he grins at the exiting demons. He hums a tune when Vees left.
Alastor: Nature abhors a power vacuum ~
Vox: The fuck did you just say?!
Alastor: Nothing, old friend ~
Rosie says goodbye to Charlie first before giving him a cheek pat as she leaves.
Rosie: Do come by Cannibal Town, my friend. I still have a few angel limbs for a lovely brunch.
Alastor: I wouldn't miss it for the world.
The Radio demon gives a derogatory glance at Valentino and giggles.
Alastor: Though I feel like another one of our speedy overlord meeting is in order.
Rosie laughs and said her final goodbye.
It's only the Sins and the residents left. Lucifer asks Charlie and the others to go up the 2nd floor for a while as he has something to talk about the Sins privately.
Charlie: Okay. But dad.. Are you okay?
Lucifer: Of course, sweetie. Just a bit stressed.
She wasn't satisfied with her dad's answer but she knows she won't be able to get him to admit anything right now.
Charlie joins her friends on the upper floor and hears Angel wolf whistle. He's leaning at the railings and looking down at hell's 7 deadly Sins.
Angel: I know I just saw them down there being the big and the bad, but damn.
Husk: Honestly thought someone was about to get killed today.
Cherri: Eh, I think what happened was worse. For that moth dickhead anyway. Congrats on your freedom Angy! How does it feel?
Angel: Like a million bucks! I still can't believe that happened. I'm free. I'm gonna give short king something later as thanks.
He turns to Charlie.
Angel: You too, Charlie.
Charlie: I didn't do anything.
Angel: I know I never said this before but thank you for believing in me- for still believing in me and this whole redemption shit.
Charlie's about to cry and moves to give Angel a big hug.
The others give the pair a soft look. As the slight crying fest was happening, Alastor moves closer to the balcony with Vaggie to observe.
Vaggie: Can't hear them. Can't even read their lips.
Alastor: His Majesty's work most likely. Or did you think they would let us watch with no precaution?
Vaggie gives him an irritated look but says nothing.
Alastor keeps his sight on Lucifer. The aquatic demon, which he guesses is the Sin of Envy, is touching Lucifer too much for his liking. He tilts his head in response when the king looks up at him suddenly. Lucifer holds his gaze for a bit before shifting slightly.
Alastor turns to see Charlie move beside him looking at her father. His ear twitches.
This is troublesome.
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Lucifer put his shirt back on as he casts a barrier on the first floor.
Bee: Man, I haven't seen that side of you in years. Hell, I haven't even seen any side of you in years. I was beginning to think you died.
Satan: She's right. You usually at least sent a text once a year or so. And then when you decided to finally show up, you're basically being eaten alive by Roo's remnants! We-
The Sin of Wrath stops and takes deep breaths. No point in getting angry right now.
Mammon: Yeah, mate. Kinda miss the yearly lawsuits you give me business.
Asmodeus: You mean the discount Pride Ring you're tryna do?
Mammon: Fuck ya! Don't think I forgot ya stealing ma star employee!
Asmodeus: Cry me a river, Mam.
Belphegor: Children, please.
Mammon: Don't even start, Belphy. You still haven't explained why ya didn't tell us any of this shit.
Belphegor: What happens in Sloth is my responsibility.
Mammon: Well congrats! It's blowing up in our faces.
While the others were arguing back and forth, Leviathan moves to face Lucifer and put a hand on his.
Leviathan: Luci, I know you're not okay. You gonna tell me what's up with you?
Lucifer: It doesn't matter.
Leviathan: Of course it matters, Luci.
Lucifer: Not now, Levi.
Leviathan: Tsk. Alright then. But we will talk, especially about the look that red demon is giving me.
Lucifer looks up and makes eye contact with Alastor. The deer demon is wearing an expression he can't quite name but then his gaze shifts a bit to the left.
Charlie.
Oh, his lovely daughter. He still can't get what she said earlier out of his head. He knows she'll say she didn't mean it, but if it came out just like that, there has to be a bit of truth deep inside.
Was Charlie right? Would Lilith's presence instead of his really be that much better? Would this whole thing with Roo not even happen in that other timeline?
Lucifer doesn't know. What he knows is that he'll do everything in his power to keep his daughter and hell safe.
He clears his throat to stop the bickering.
Lucifer: Anything related to Roo is not to be undermined. In the meantime, Belphegor will keep a close eye on the anomaly. Bel, please coordinate with the Ars Goetia regarding evacuation of the nearby settlements.
Belphegor: Of course. Already on it.
Asmodeus: Lust will prepare evacuation sites as well.
Lucifer: Thank you. I'd like the other rings to have a few as well.
Satan: How about the ritual?
Lucifer: I would like to start as soon as possible but.. We're strong but we need ancient powers.
Satan: Wait. You don't mean her, do you? Can we even find her?
Lucifer: I'm the one who will be looking for her. She's probably up on Earth. It might take me a while but 'til then, I'll be temporarily handing over the duties of Pride to Charlie in my absence/
Bee: What?! Is she even ready?
Lucifer: You have your own rings to manage. And none of you are familiar with her. She might be the embodiment of good but she's still evil's sister.
Leviathan: And your wound?
Lucifer: I would advise that no one comes in contact with the anomaly. The only thing keeping it at bay in my body is my angelic blood. If I wasn't an angel, I would be dead.
The room just got colder with Lucifer's admission as Belphegor taps aggressively on her tablet.
Lucifer: Be careful all of you.
And with that, the meeting is done.
Lucifer debates talking to his daughter but overall decided to go back to his tower for the time being.
Alastor never took his eyes off the king and disappears in the shadows.
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What to look forward for in Part 7:
Lucifer: I'm so tired, Alastor. I think I have been for a long time.
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Something I just realized about the HH finale. Alastor just, did not bring any kind of angelic weapon to fight Adam?? Like, he must had been told that those were the only thing that can kill angels and yets I don't remember seeing him carry one. Did he had one hidden or was he arrogant enough that he thought he could do what no other demon could do by himself?
Yeah it’s certainly possible given his attitude that he didn’t see the need for one. Thinking about it now, he was known for killing tons of overlords in the past. Sinners are (so far anyways) equally “unkillable” by all things except angelic weaponry. Anything else will just have them piece themselves back together painfully, making punishment eternal. Sinners have been able to kill each other because of angelic metal/weapons left behind, but that seems to be it.
I’m bringing this up to make the point that it really seems like Sinners and angels have similar weaknesses. The only difference was nobody was aware that angels COULD be killed by them, so they were believed to be invulnerable.
Now, Alastor is an overlord who has taken a bunch of Sinners and broadcasted assumedly killed them, broadcasting their screams for Hell to hear. If he is actually able to kill them, that means he must have some power at his disposal that IS capable of killing a Sinner (and angel), maybe angelic or otherwise.
However this theory works if he truly IS killing the Sinners, not simply pulling a Valentino where he rips people apart and then they stitch themselves back together. His actions seemed to have shocked Hell, and with overlords “disappearing” is certainly seems like he’s killing them, but it’s possible that’s not the case.
So going with what you were saying, my theory is this: he has/had power to kill angels. Maybe the deal he made limited his powers (since he needs to “unclip” his wings it may have weakened him) or maybe Adam simply just overpowered him before it could be put to use. Because of his powers he saw no reason to carry angelic weaponry. Alastor has been shown to rely mainly on his magic, so that would certainly seem in line for him.
The lack of an angelic weapon at all does seem to point to both his level of cockiness as well as his potential abilities. He seemed to believe that he could kill Adam, and given his past I assume that means he’s killed others like that before. Finding out Adam is a fragile as any other Sinner made it so Alastor didn’t see a reason to fear him or exercise caution. After all, he’s taken down tons of mortal souls before.
This does raise the question of where his powers come from, since angelic weapons seem to be the main thing listed as the thing to kill Sinners. So if Alastor does have an ability to do so that seems out of the ordinary, which could definitely point to him working with someone much higher up.
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Ok, so quick question fellow HH fans. What is Velvet supposed to be based off exactly, like her theme? Yes, I know she was a maid cosplayer in her earlier design but they kinda got rid of that.
Edit: I saw someone say she is a clown/jester which I think is pretty cool ngl.
Valentino is very clearly based off a moth with his fluff and wings and its obvious he is the porn overlord with his pimp fit. The moth theme is quite clever given how irl moths emit pheromones during sex to make it more inticing. His red and white color pallet gets this across as well.
Vox likewise has a tv head and Wi-Fi symbols, blatantly signalling what he has power over along with an electric themed color pallet. The more subtle shark theming with his lair and coat tail shape is a nod to the sin of greed given how shark demons come from the greed ring(helluva boss). His wardrobe being a parallel to Alastor (which I made a post about) and theming makes it clear what he is all about even if it’s nor 100% original (if it ain’t broke don’t fix it)
The character designs, despite all the bashing from haters of Vivzies art style get their point across which is the most important role of character design.
Velvet on the other hand, I am not so sure. If she is based off an animal, idk what she is. Looking at her upfront, you can get the idea that she is an edgy bitch. The only thing she kinda has to play into her social media stuff is the hearts on her vest(?) and the constantly changing hairstyle and scene kid outfit. If I had no prior info, I would think she was Valentinos evil assistant with the repeating heart theme or Val and Vox’s love child incarnate. She doesn’t give Social Media overlord on her own.
I did notice she had a line that is perpendicular to her lips that gives her a doll like appearance which could play into the social media perfection angle but nothing else from her current design seems to go along with this theme.
Now, I have my gripes with a certain genre of character redesigns(the ones who in bad faith trash the originals and try to “fix it” by making the exact same mistakes in their improved one) but if I had to redesign her, I would give her a clear theme.
You could lean into an ocean theme based off internet lingo like “surfing the net” and how the Envy ring in helluva boss is speculated to have a deep sea theme and be ruled over by leviathan(if you like the theory that sinner’s demon form takes inspo from the native born demons that originated from the ring of hell their corresponding vice they most indulged in their earthly life was.). Or perhaps a cat theme given how ubiquitous they are in the early internet, social media and memes.
Perhaps instead of hearts, Vivzie could of used thumbs up, which on social media is an almost universally understood symbol. Maybe more phone or app based iconagraphy(copyright free of course)
Maybe a color pallet that looks less like a blend of Vox and Val’s color pallet that could stand on its own. I think keeping red would be a good call given how vox and Val also have that color, which would unify them as a trio. She has a tendency to blend into the background given how her pallet is both muted(the reddish looking color) and neutral (white and grey)
Idk, I am not expert on this stuff but that’s just what I see.
#hazbin hotel velvette#yes I spelled her name wrong but I was half through this post and I way to lazy to fix it#hazbin hotel#the vees#character design#vox hazbin hotel#valentino hazbin hotel#helluva boss
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Hazbin Hotel Endgame Theory #1 (Spoilers Eps 1-4)
I don't know how long HH will last, I know there are two seasons planned but there could be more...and I was seeing some stuff earlier before the premiere about characters and I just wanted to go through some theories I had about the ending of the show
First, I doubt Angel Dust will actually get "redeemed" (as in approved for Heaven) mainly cause I don't think he would want that. I think it's clear his goal is to be a star, someone famous/important, something he wouldn't be in Heaven (not mention his dirty mind).
I also saw earlier in the fandom some predictions he would die and I doubt that too. For a character arc like he has, it would be such a disappointment. If anything, I actually think Husk will die probably trying to save Angel in some way (sorry Huskerdust fans, my fav ship too).
The same with Alasitor. I think his arc his leading to his own demise between him and Vox and it would be like Sherlock and Moriarty where both have to die to save the HH family.
With either Alistor and/or Husk gone, I could then see Angel actually being granted the powers of an Overlord via magic or whatever by the two and he would finally be what he wanted to be...Important.
But that's just a theory...A Hazbin Hotel Theory! I got some more!
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HH Season 2 predictions:
• The Vees will be the main villains (confirmed by Viv)
• Alastor’s character will be further explored and his former relationship with Vox (confirmed by Viv)
• Alastor will be singing a solo song (confirmed by his VA Amir Talai)
• Husk will be more involved with the people of the hotel and sort out their problems (confirmed) — both in S2 and future seasons
• Lilith / Eve (?) will be paying a visit to Charlie (implied)
• New characters will appear and ones from the previous episodes will be more involved
<> Cherri Bomb (recurring) (confirmed)
<> Andras (new) (confirmed)
<> Arackniss (new)
<> Henroin (?)
<> Baxter (new)
<> Lucifer (recurring)
<> Lute (recurring)
<> Roo (?)
<> Adam (?)
• Vox or Velvette might want to redeem themselves? (Before confirming that the Vees were going to be the main villains)
• Valentino pulls some strings to get Angel Dust away from the hotel (oh god I hope this actually doesn’t happen 🙊) because he’s slowly turning more and more into Anthony than Angel Dust
• Someone — most likely Alastor — bribes Husk he can make him an overlord again if he helps him out (or something similar along those lines)
• Angel Dust Anthony sings a lament song about his growing feelings for Husk (theory)
Theory: Similarly to what Stolas did — only a little more positive and less angsty. Either that or maybe it’s his turn to sing to Husk who is upset about something (most likely about how he thinks Angel’s feelings aren’t real because he’s a “pornstar” so of course he’d sexualise everything just to bed him etc which leads to this ⬇️)
• Huskerdust will be separated (whether that’s in Hell or Heaven)
<> I mean this would make sense if Angel and Husk’s relationship is growing rapidly only to be separated (similar to S2 of Outlander) much later on; probably at the end for another cliffhanger. I mean can you imagine that Angel Anthony gets redeemed much earlier than we expected but the twist is he doesn’t necessarily go to Heaven yet — for some unknown reason maybe because Sera is covering up the whole “Sinners can’t get into heaven or be redeemed” thing
• Valentino slowly loses control over Angel Dust over in S2 (and for the rest of the seasons)
<> Which technically if that actually happened that would mean Angel would go from “Angel Dust” to “Anthony” (I mean it makes sense doesn’t?)
#constantly updating#2024 (late) - 2025 (early)#hazbin hotel#season 2#spoilers ahead#mini theories#S2
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Horrific idea for how Overlords ensure the majority of their contracted sinners don't try to just kill them to be freed.
In the contract, a special binds made that if they were to die...anyone contracted under them would die along with them.
Valentino-Go ahead and waste me your highness. Though assuming this is because you care about my Angie...this really wouldn't be in his favor being bound to me and whatnot.
Charlie-What are you-
Valentino-You probably don't know this since your not an Overlord, but along with basically having full control over a contracted soul...if said contractor was to die...anyone under them would go down with them😈 Right Baby cakes?
Charlie looks to Angel who turns away.
Valentino-Wouldnt just be him sweetie. I wasn't exaggerating when I said I employ every down on their luck souls in this joint! They ALL literally can't live without ME and if you kill me, THEIR BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS! And we wouldn't want that now would we?😈
Charlie-...
What do u think? I'd love to know💖
#hazbin hotel#valentino#angel dust#charlie#charlie morningstar#hazbin hotel theory#overlord#hh overlord#hh
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More of Fishlady drawings. Based on a fishlady overlord theory✏️🎨👨👩👧👦🐙🐠😭
Eris @hh-hb-lonelydemon-rp
Characters belongs to: ©Vivziepop
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"And suddenly, it wasn't about being powerful, it was all about surviving" - A small theory about our Favorite Technology Overlord, Vox
Ok, so i was listening to Paranoid DJ's Original Character Song about Vox. And i suddenly was thinking about Vox's whole character.
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Why he presents himself like that to the public,
What Valentino has to do with him,
And his Future in HH
So, enjoy. IK that this might not make sense, but i wanted to write that sh*t down, and share it with y'all.
So first, we all know that Vox is
a) an Overlord
and
b) one of the "3V's" which consist of him, a young girl named velvet and of course Valentino.
We all know that the latter is not only the owner of the porn studios in hell, but also sort of the owner of Angel Dust, an Spider Sinner Demon who is under Val's contract.
Contract - That's the jumping point. My theory is, that Vox singed an contract with Val, under the pretext of giving him power, and toys to play with. Aka helping him capture the Radio Demon Alastor, who is canonly his enemy / rival (due to their opposite views on technology). And which demon doesn't want power? And the price Vox had to "pay" was nothing. Mere dust at that time. He just had to sign some papers, promising Val to help him, to get him new toys to play with (aka whores, porn stars). For Vox, who didn't expected that he might end up as a marionette for Val to use when he needs some new stuff. No, back then it might've looked like a bright future. Having sheer endless power over all of hell? Controlling every being and everything in hell? Oh, what a dream. And, maybe he even fell in love with Val, not knowing the real Val. That he doesn't fear anything to get power. Even abusing him.
But over the time Vox might've realized that this moth demon ain't the person he was when they first met.
It all started when Val suggested to adopt Velvet, a young girl whose "theme" might me social media themed. He didn't even asked him, his business partner if he even wanted to have someone at his side,he just did as he pleased. As he later on talked to Val in private, they got into an heated argument, and (you may have guessed it) Val crashed his screen with his bare knuckles.
But he let Val get away with it. Even if Vox was in Pain, Val said he did it out of anger, because they got into an heated argument. Vox forgave Val. Not knowing how powerless he really was. And how abusive his Love Interest Val was.
ok now how vox presents himself to the public
He always keeps his professional face on. Of course, he's an overlord. One small mistake could cost him everything. Val made that clear over and over and over again. He abused Vox. Every small mistake ended up getting screamed at by val, beaten up by val. And a thousand more things.
He won't let anyone look behind closed doors, not even his "daughter" velvet. And she grew on him. He always keeps his smile on, never frowns, never talks back. He doesn't want to get Val mad.
He's hardworking, but stops when val says stop.
Secondly: His part in the future of HH
Over the time, he managed to befriend Angel Dust, Val's favorite toy besides him.
After all he's being through, it's nice to have someone he can talk to.
At first, the Spider Demon was afraid that Val send him, because he made a small mistake while he practiced for the day's show. But soon after he realized that he's just as broken as him. He decided tom give it a try and talk to him. But he Angel soon was able understand him, and tries to help him. He listens to him, doesn't make fun of him.
Over time, they've come up with an amazing strategy to sea each other. Vox asked if Val could send one of his best whore's, maybe even the best one that he has, so that he could 'cool down' after an exhausting week. And Val granted his fellow overlord this wish, by sending Angel Dust. And so these two could'd secretly meet each other. Communicating through colors. Depending on which color Angel wore, it could mean a lot of things.
Pink - Everything goes according to (Angel's) plan
Blue - Everything goes according to (Vox) plan
Red - Val has his fingers in the game, and is most likely keeping an eye on these two
Maybe Vox will be able to get away from Val and his abuse.
But he will not join the happy hotel. He still dislikes this idea. Vox would keep his Business upright, with the help of hell's hottest porn star. Angel Dust.
They both being through a second hell thanks to Val, and both are currently still stuck in it. But if they will get a chance in the future, they will get away from Val. Maybe even killing the Moth Demon.
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And that's it b+tches. I started this thingy / baby here around 23:15 / 11:15 am. And now it's nearly 1am. OOP-
Well anyways, enjoy.
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#Hazbin Hotel#hazbin hotel theory#Hazbin Hotel Vox#hazbin valentino#hazbin hotel angel#theory#eyes on me by paranoid DJ#Youtube
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