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incorrectspquotes · 7 months

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Malice: Just like old times! Valkyrie: Right. Except for the part where you became a homicidal murderer.

#skulduggery pleasant phase ii #alice edgley #valkyrie cain #source: overwatch #dead or alive spoilers #doa spoilers

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iwritenarrativesandstuff · 1 year

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Chapter 105.5 Thoughts: Control, Manipulation and Partnership

Or, how Chuuya is actually the most qualified character to land a victory over Dostoevsky.

I just want to preface this with: I think Chuuya has woken from the brainwashing. We can't see his eyes, he's holding his hat again, and look at the progression of his face and expression from the last few chapters with him (these are in order btw from left to right).

I'm not completely sure how he did this, but I chalk a lot of it up to sheer stubborn determination on Chuuya's part, mostly because it's funny and he was clearly fighting back before Dazai's speech. However, I find it likely the speech did contain some kind of code - others have pointed out how "Goodbye!" might be a reference to the original author's last unfinished book and we know skk's codenames for things generally are based off their real counterparts' works so, maybe he'd already broken out of it, maybe there was something in there that gave him the final push - who knows at this point honestly? Either way, it means Chuuya had the capacity to break out of the vampire curse on his own and that's incredibly funny to me for many reasons but mostly:

Fyodor: "Bold of you to assume Chuuya's ability can't overcome flooding."

Dazai: "Bold of you to assume Chuuya's personality can't overcome brainwashing."

But really, this highlights something interesting here, both in what Chuuya's role is ultimately intended to be in this arc, and in the way Fyodor and Dazai manipulate and value others in very different ways.

I've said it before but it bears repeating: we already know that Fyodor is an excellent long-term planner, while Dazai is effectively able to counter him because Dazai shifts into thinking like his opponent. They're foil characters for a reason; they're both highly intelligent, manipulative, and willing to play the long game for the sake of winning against their opponent.

Thing is, I also stand by the idea that personality-wise, they're not similar at all - and that has serious implications for the people they are connected with. The build-up to the prison escape arc really highlights this. Some examples:

Chapter 46: Fyodor believes that all people are sinful and foolish and that his goal is to remove sin. Dazai believes that all people are sinful and foolish but asks what's so wrong with that.

Chapter 64: They decide to have a "super-happy chit-chat" about their problems. Dazai's solution to Fyodor's issue with his lazy subordinates is to get them to think lazing around is a bad thing so they will put in effort of their own. Fyodor's solution to Dazai being unable to woo the waitress is to isolate her from her job, house and family so that she can only rely on Dazai.

Chapter 77: Fyodor believes god is perfection and harmony, and thus that the people capable of change are the superior ones with most control. Dazai believes god is the accidental and illogical and believes it is the ordinary people who fight and live in that uncertainty who create the greatest change.

So, what's happening here? Fyodor's manipulation is shown to be very exacting and direct. He leaves no room for error and regards people on a hierarchy - God above all, himself as a servant of God's will, and the sinful and foolish humans he has little regard for. Dazai's manipulation involves manipulation of the situation, and is often indirect. It involves people coming to the conclusion he intends for them to on their own. And from his later dialogue with Sigma, we see he doesn't regard the world in that same kind of hierarchy.

Now, look at the way Fyodor picks an item and Dazai picks a person when starting the game. Look at the way Fyodor refers to Chuuya respectfully but brainwashes him entirely and mocks Dazai for not being worthy of "using" his ability. Look at the way Dazai is a complete ass to Chuuya but ultimately lets him make his own choices (begging people to take note of that moment in Stormbringer where Dazai cuts himself off to correct his referring to Corruption as Arahabaki's true power to Chuuya's true power).

So, the actual strength Dazai has over Dostoevsky then, is not really his strength at all, it's the strength of others and their choice and willpower to act in the way they believe is best. It's the only means of getting a leg up on Dostoevsky, otherwise they will continue to go around and around in circles forever.

And Chuuya is the best candidate for finally throwing Fyodor off his game.

Firstly, let's just establish something: no matter how mad he is at Dazai, he's not going to side with Fyodor, not willingly. Fyodor threatened the Mafia in the Cannibalism arc by attacking Mori, first of all. I doubt he's forgiven him for that. Secondly, Fyodor embodies everything Chuuya can't stand about Dazai, at the very least, younger Dazai - the manipulation, the lack of consideration and connection with others, the callousness and lack of regard for life.

Well, perhaps he's not quite as irritating. +1 point for Dostoevsky I guess?

But lastly, it is more advantageous for Chuuya at this point to help fight against Fyodor, especially since most of the Mafia has been vampirized by his organization. Helping the Agency stop the terrorist plot will help the Mafia by extension by undoing that. And we know from Stormbringer that no matter how much Chuuya is personally hurt, he considers taking out the threat to his people a higher priority. Always.

(You could make the argument that he was told whatever Teruko told Atsushi and decided to join, but not only do I find this wildly out of character, but if that was the case then there would've been no reason to brainwash him.)

That said, I don't think this was preemptive "Dazai's master plan #3057", and in fact, I stand by the idea that Dazai had no idea Chuuya was going to be in the prison. It is very, very important to me that for the rest of this arc, no matter what Chuuya does, that his actions are his own. Not Fyodor's, not Dazai's, but his. And not just because I hate that he's being controlled right now and that freedom of choice has always been important for Chuuya.

But because it makes narrative sense.

The vampires are a bit silly, yes, but they represent the way Fyodor and Fukuchi think - humanity will commit atrocities. They cannot be trusted to make their own decisions. They want to make a world that is free by... mind-controlling people so their plans work without a hitch. In short, they choose, on behalf of others, to sacrifice human autonomy for peace. So, if we are going to turn this arc around, we need to have characters breaking out of that control and thinking for themselves, in spite of the uncertainty of the outcome.

We already see this with Atsushi in the last chapter! He finally takes initiative and makes that choice to leave the room when he doesn't exactly know what the right thing to do is. And this is also why I don't think Teruko is wholly convinced by the DoA either - she lets him go. She gives him the freedom to choose what he does with that information.

Another one of the focus characters here is Sigma. Sigma is a guy who has no past, whose humanity is questioned, who keeps being used by organizations for his valuable ability, who has no home but desperately wants one... oh wait. Remind you of anyone's younger self? This could go one of two ways: Chuuya fails to assert his autonomy, leaving Sigma to learn from that failure, or, Chuuya succeeds in asserting his autonomy, leaving Sigma to learn from his success.

I think it, by necessity, has to be the latter. Sigma's at a tipping point right now, and I think seeing someone try to assert their freedom only to fail would damage him greatly. And I think it's a waste of Chuuya's character honestly.

Chuuya needs to assert his autonomy in this arc. Not just for thematic reasons but because I can think of no one else who can effectively break the "super-genius stalemate".

I keep hearing "Dazai knows Chuuya" in response to Fyodor calling their bond shallow, and that is absolutely true! But Chuuya also knows Dazai. Incredibly well. Odasaku knew Dazai's soul, but Chuuya knows Dazai's mind, knows his strategies and ways of thinking without even needing words. What's more, Chuuya has thrown off Dazai before and done what he didn't expect him to.

Which is nifty, because Dazai and Fyodor think a lot alike. Chuuya is in a unique position to thwart Dostoevsky because he may actually be able to predict him to a degree. Chuuya can absolutely land a victory against him, and it's excellent because it would be completely unexpected to Fyodor, who apparently thinks Chuuya's strength lies only in what his ability has to offer and not much else.

But listen. This also can't be skk's plan. I need Chuuya to sideline both of them. Both for the sweet, sweet catharsis of putting those two idiot geniuses in their places and also because I need Dazai to have screwed up. He wasn't wrong about people making their own choices in uncertainty. People need to assert their autonomy to create change. Dazai can't be wrong in this regard.

But with going ahead with the trap to drown Fyodor despite also having to drown Chuuya when he promised not to let him get killed... this needs to have been a mistake, otherwise the value of Dazai's emotional speech to him is diminished.

I want Dazai to try to laugh it off. I want him to say he always knew Chuuya would escape and then for Chuuya to deck him because "no, the fuck you didn't".

I really think Dazai hoped Chuuya would make it. Do remember that Chuuya was one of the first reasons young Dazai decided to try giving life a chance. The fact that he flashbacked to all his key memories with Chuuya says a lot. But his survival was no guarantee and it seemed very unlikely.

So, Chuuya is faced with the fact that Dazai nearly sacrificed him to kill Dostoevsky and save his new Agency friends.

And I hope he finally gets mad. I hope he finally expresses hurt on his own behalf for once. I hope they are forced to break their status quo that they have carefully maintained by not talking about anything ever. I hope they are pushed to uncomfortable places and that it is Chuuya who finally spurs this development.

Let Chuuya break the stalemate between Dazai and Dostoevsky. Let him shatter the status quo that him and Dazai have kept going for year after year.

Autonomous action in the face of uncertainty is necessary for change.

#am i assigning too much narrative importance in the main manga to chuuya? perhaps #will i stop? no #unfortunately this meta doesn't include gogol which is an oversight because he absolutely has to play a role as well #i'm just not quite sure what yet. same as chuuya i suppose #either gogol asserts his autonomy or he... fails. yeah. either he gets dostoevsky killed or... he fails.#i just don't know where he fits in with everyone else is the thing #listen though. it is significant that gogol decided not to play his dying role in the doa's plan though.#gogol is the free spirit of the doa and yet he's closer to sigma and bram in terms of how he is more controlled than controller #anyways sorry this is so long. just my two cents on the matter #bsd #bsd spoilers #bsd chapter 105.5 #bsd chuuya #bsd fyodor #bsd dazai #bsd sigma #bsd meta #i don't even know if this makes sense anymore. here.#storyrambles

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chuuya-kisser · 20 days

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OKAY GUYS LISTEN TO ME HEAR ME OUT

sooo fyodor, fukuchi, bram, nikolai and sigma are the decay of angels right? and so far till the latest chapter,

fyodor took over bram

fyodor is about to/ has already killed fukuchi

fyodor has temporarily put sigma out of commission bc of info overload

nikolai has been mysteriously missing

BASICALLY FYODOR GOT RID OF THE WHOLE DOA ATLEAST FOR THE MOMENT

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO NIKOLAI?????? After all, fyodor did say that his next action would be getting rid of nikolai....

i have no idea what he's trying to do with this or what im even getting at with this.

But fukuchi mentioned that fyodor helped in the formation of his whole grand plan to rid the world of war was. which means that fyodor is almost certainly aware of the page's conditions for activation. now im not sure abt this bc i dont remember exactly but i believe the agency was supposed to be declared innocent or smth after the page activated, painting fukuchi as the 'bad guy', right??? (Please correct me if im wrong here)

what if fyodor never lets the conditions for the page's activation be met.

what if he was only ever using even fukuchi as a pawn in his grand scheme to do god knows what. he probably was. after all no way would fyodor actually work under someone without his own vested interests. what if he kills fukuchi just like that. what if fukuchi dies in fucking vain. i sure hope not please.

fukuchi's intention was to end war. fyodors WAS NOT.

fukuchi really did believe that fyodor was stuck halfway across the world in mersault. there's no way he'd have anticipated being killed not by fukuzawa or teruko, but by fyodor. bc he'd have to know about fyodor's ability to know that he had a chance to escape mersault directly to yokohama. and there's absolutely no way fyodor would have trusted someone like him with information about his ability.

fyodor had the advantage of knowing fully about fukuchi's plan, possibly in order to foil it

again, i have no freaking idea where im going with this. i just wanted to get this out. please asagiri. please.

verlaine its your time to shine again!

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friedwizardwhispers · 1 year

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The idea that Wei Wuxian should have known Lan Wangji's feelings and he is oblivious to them when Lan Wangji spent the entire flashbacks telling him the opposite of what he is feeling is baffling to me.

This is not me bashing Lan Wangji, I love him and being a teenager with a crush and not being able to express those feelings is hard. Being a teenager with a crush in the middle of a war and later politics and still not being able to express those feelings would probably be incredibly harder but why would WWX think LWJ had any kind of feelings towards him when he keeps being shut down everytime they have an interaction as teens ? In the Xuanwu cave, Lan Zhan literally says "Wei Ying is really the worst kind of person" (paraphrasing), Wei Wuxian litterally asked him if he hated him and he didn't answer.

If he didn't communicate his feelings towards Wei Wuxian, why would Wei Wuxian assume there are any ?

Older Lan Wangji realize that because he is not an awkward teenager anymore and with that change of attitude, them being together is probably pretty quick in terms of timeline actually, and Wei Wuxian is aware of those feelings pretty quickly (before Lan Xichen says anything in the temple), by the bathroom scene, he just need confirmation and it's Jiang Cheng who create a misunderstanding that wasn't there when he starts being homophobic screaming at them right before the golden core reveal.

Again, I think this idea comes from the fact that we know how Lan Wangji feels because we know he is the love interest and we are readers, we are supposed to understand what he feels, we are not the characters though, we have context and tropes that we know that the characters don't. And I get that sometimes it's frustrating or funny to see him like that but still it's just not true, objectively speaking.

#wei wuxian #lan wangji #wei ying #mdzs #wangxian #mo doa zu shi #cql #the untamed #lan zhan #anti jiang cheng #jiang Cheng #when he jumped from the tree he already was certain off his feelings and probably guessed Lan Zhan's #mdzs meta #mdzs spoilers

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note-boom · 1 year

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Things I have learned from the Untold Origins Arc (anime version)

The ADA is so very literally the founding of a family

Seriously, Asagiri, don't be shy. Give us more on the special abilities lore. What was it with that play and the angel symbolism and also the mystery abilities are surrounded with in the decade before the whole Dark Era thing?

Odasaku really should have lived till at least the DoA arc cause my man predicted like half of its themes and plot at age 15. And I thought he could only see a few seconds into the future?

What it means to punch someone's face in because that's exactly what Fukuzawa did to that nameless soldier

Cows: Ranpo 🤝 Kenji

How old is Fyodor Dostoyevsky?!?!

Natsume Soseki is absolutely a combination of Mori and Fukuzawa in that he's a mysterious, competent loner-type mentor figure but that he's also kind of a creepy middle aged dude lurking in the shadows and watching everyone

ANYWAY. Congrats Fukuzawa. You are now a dad.

#there are probably more that i forgot to add but yeah...that's part of my collective thoughts #and i REALLY want to know the light novel #and if asagiri really meant for V to be something our favourite russian terrorist was part of #and does V mean the hunting dogs or the doa??#also half of these are just crack dont take me seriously XDD #but still im intrigued to see if canon will prove the anime connection between v and the doa right #with that im off tumblr....will be back with more spam once people inevitably make genius memes and gorgeous edits/gifs/art/metas #BUT I LOVED THIS BACKSTORY SO MUCHHHHHH #i have so many more thoughts but later...for later #AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH #bsd #bungou stray dogs #bungo stray dogs #bsd season 4 #bsd ranpo #bsd fukuzawa #bsd natsume #bsd fyodor #bsd s4 spoilers #bsd spoilers #bsd musings #bsd odasaku #bsd kenji #(cows are just an ada thing i guess)#bsd mori #spitting nonsense

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cvntkisser · 18 days

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On one hand bram shouldn't physically be able to survive turning into fyodor and having his head and brain and all other internal organs ripped apart and replaced but on the other hand i'm pretty sure he's basically immortal (he has lived thousands of years) and asagiri only ever kills people who died wayyy before the time of the main story, small children and background characters and bram is none of those.

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incorrectspquotes · 9 months

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So look at the fleeting stars with fleeting eyes, and feel how the earth beneath you gives. It is all a temporary manifestation of particles, and it is all unraveling back to particulate silence. The bustle of the human day will come and will go. And then there will be night.

Obsidian, probably

#skulduggery pleasant phase ii #auger darkly #source: welcome to night vale #dead or alive spoilers #doa spoilers

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xbuggyxboyx · 4 months

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ngl i wish the show had given us DOA Records and with that the absolutely wonderful and believable excuse of “Ummm… really big bathtub”

#percy jakson #percy jackson spoilers #pjo tv show #percy jackson #pjo series #doa record company #doa records #big bathtub #percabeth #persassy #grover underwood

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techni-kolor · 10 months

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Fukuchi + Atsushi Connections

Spoilers for BSD S5E2

So I was watching the new episode causally when this happens ?? Snuck into the whole list of achievements that astonish and persuade the foreign diplomats to listen to his proposal, Fukuchi’s list of credentials has a very interesting addition.

Were-Creature experiments?? That sounds seriously familiar, doesn’t it? To us as the audience and maybe to someone else. Since Fukuchi himself seems to unintentionally reveal that he has more knowledge about these experiments than he is letting on.

While, sure, this could be a coincidence and I’m certain that Fyodor and/or Nikolai have already shared the details of Atsushi’s ability with all the other DoA members ... it seems odd that Fukuchi would recognize it within seconds of activation. Even before the limb begins to regenerate actually. Almost like he has seen this phenomenon before? Maybe in The Republic of Kenia?

After all, it would be far from the first time that Fukuchi has supposedly committed a heroic act while having dishonorable intentions. Case in point: Bram Stoker.

I know others have analyzed the similarities between Fukuchi and Atsushi before (Read: Here for that! Post by @iwritenarrativesandstuff ) but this little tidbit stood out to me enough that I really begin to wonder how much depth their relationship already has!

In fact, I wonder just how big Atsushi’s part could have been in the DoA plot if things had worked out slightly differently.

#bsd theories #bsd spoilers #bsd season 5 #fukuchi ouchi #atsushi nakajima #I actually have more to the 'Atsushi was meant to play a part in the DoA theory' but that's for another time #Please let me know if this was interesting! I'm certainly curious!

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