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the four temperaments: choleric, sanguine, phlegmatic, melancholic
in an astrological-astronomical miscellany, alemmanic german, c. 1500
source: Wolfenbüttel, Herzog August Bibliothek, Cod. Guelf. 8.7 Aug. 4º, fol. 125r-126v
#tbh the phlegmatics are having a better time than i would've thought#four temperaments#15th century#sanguine#choleric#melancholic#phlegmatic#humourism#illuminated manuscript#medieval art#musical instruments
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You were forgiven for getting angry over nothing, but it was noted that you are someone who does. -- Michael Lipsey
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#artists on tumblr#illustration#art#sanguine#phlegmatic#melancholic#choleric#furry#digital art#digital artist#drawing#digital illustration#furry oc#postcard#original character#furry art
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haters will see you balancing your humors and say oh god is that blood??? what the hell are you doing??? do you need a doctor??
#like okay yeah whatever keep your choleric yellow bile in check i dont need that…..i have it handled……#kora.txt
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Choleric, Melancholic, Sanguine, Phlegmatic
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The nature of Venus
The reasonings behind the temperaments of the planets
My boyfriend had an epiphany about Venus's temperament and he gave me permission to write about it as he doesn't intend to. He's not an astrologer, he learns a lot of astrology from me and as a Venusian he was baffled to know that some astrologers understood Venus as a sanguine planet. This is at least what Ptolemy says and he is just the most influential astrologer in history. This got personal when we did his own temperament calculations and learned that he can be either phlegmatic or sanguine depending on what you consider Venus to be (he's clearly very phlegmatic). As a Libra, the ambiguity was torturous. My boyfriend is convinced that Venus is phlegmatic and not even Ptolemy's authority will convince him otherwise. I don't know if traditional astrologers think about this or are aware of what I'm about to explain, but I myself have never seen any astrologer talking about that and pointing out the pattern he saw, so I think it's worth sharing.
He was just learning about the temperaments of the planets and he was questioning why Jupiter, for example, has domicile in Sagittarius and Pisces, which are choleric and phlegmatic respectively, if Jupiter is a sanguine planet? And why does Mars have a domicile that corresponds to his choleric temperament and then another in a phlegmatic sign? It didn't make sense to him, since the Hellenistics seem to love symmetry very much. The sudden lack of symmetry was unacceptable. To him, everything had to have a pattern and logic, and I think he found them and was able to make a very good defense of the phlegmatic Venus.
The Thema Mundi
For credibility in hellenistic astrology you have to justify things using the Thema Mundi, so if you're not familiar with what that is, this other post by @saturniandevil will help. When we study the Thema Mundi, we say we put the Sun in Leo first, because that's the height of the mythic summer, the Moon stays behind it in Cancer, because things have to start with the luminaries and the Moon is best represented in its phlegmatic phase when it's waning, when it's behind the Sun. The Sun has to see the other planets on its right, while the Moon sees them on its left, of course. And then the planets are arranged in Chaldean order from fastest, Mercury, sitting next to the lights in his role of assisting power, to slowest, Saturn, opposing them.
If you notice you'll see that the Sun and the Moon have temperaments that correspond to their domicile signs. The Sun is hot and dry, as is Leo, the Moon is cold and humid, as is Cancer. Next comes Mercury, the dual planet that is either melancholic or sanguine depending on its phase, cold and dry when it's after the Sun, and hot and humid when it's before the Sun, as illustrated below. It has domicile in Virgo and Gemini, which are melancholic and sanguine. If it stopped here everything would be already perfect, the Sun, the Moon, Mercury number one and Mercury number two cover all 4 temperaments and make sense in their domiciles.
But things have to change when we get to the malefics and benefics, because they don't work in the same way, because they're not supposed to. They're also 4 planets and in their scheme we have to consider that malefics are malefics because they're considered to be extreme, and benefics are benefics because they're considered moderate; this is one of the few consensus in astrology. Mars is considered mostly too hot and it has one domicile with the same temperament, Aries. And Saturn, considered mostly too dry, has one domicile in Capricorn. Because they're extreme, naturally they should have domicile signs compatible with their natures and other ones that are of the complete opposite nature as theirs. Choleric (hot and dry) is the antithesis of phlegmatic (cold and humid), and melancholic (cold and dry) is the antithesis of sanguine (hot and humid). The fixed water sign is considered the main house of Mars traditionally, while the fixed air sign is considered the main house of Saturn, signs where their natures are alien. This highlights even more their extreme natures, they're either here or way over there.
But benefics are considered moderate, temperate, so it makes sense that their houses correspond to only one of their lords' primary qualities individually. They are always in the same quality of either temperature or humidity when in domicile, never both and never neither. Jupiter as a hot and humid planet has domicile in Sagittarius because that's a hot sign that isn't humid, and in Pisces because it's humid without being hot. They don't need to be in domicile in a place that is of the same nature as them, just one that has one of their primary qualities.
This scheme is also more interesting, because it makes the malefic and benefic of the same sect have opposing natures. Jupiter is hot and humid, contrasting the malefic cold and dry nature of Saturn. Venus is cold and humid, contrasting Mars' hotness and dryness. If Venus is considered sanguine the entire scheme collapses. This is why Venus is phlegmatic in our opinion.
The Ptolemaic view
But why does Ptolemy say Venus is sanguine? Or what do I think is his reason? As we all know, Ptolemy created the geocentric system that defined astrology for centuries and continues to be a reference. Here's what he says about Venus's nature:
Venus has the same powers and tempered nature as Jupiter, but acts in the opposite way; for she warms moderately because of her nearness to the sun, but chiefly humidifies, like the moon, because of the amount of her own light and because she appropriates the exhalations from the moist atmosphere surrounding the earth.
(Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos Book I chapter 4)
He gave astronomical rationales for everything, including for the primary qualities of the planets, using his own cosmogony. He's giving his astronomical reasons based on his geocentric system he's created, he's not the one worried about symmetry in this. He gives the nature of the planets based on their distance from the Sun, or from the Earth or Saturn, or based on them being in between two specific other planets etc. And there's nothing wrong with that, of course. He implies he's taking from "the ancients" the idea that Jupiter and Venus are both sanguine (Tetrabiblos, Book I chapter 5), he's following his teachers, he's not building everything from the ground up, obviously, so Ptolemy himself might not have even noticed how a sanguine Venus is the only loose end breaking a pattern. I'm not all against breaking rules, but if we use the Thema Mundi as a reference for everything in Hellenistic astrology, and we use it to justify criticism of modern rulerships, with the argument that those who use them don't know the rules to be breaking them, then I think we could see sanguine Venus in the same light.
part II - More on the temperament of the planets
#venus#hellenistic astrology#traditional astrology#ptolemy#thema mundi#temperaments#primary qualities#choleric#sanguine#phlegmatic#melancholic
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Hot Under the Choler(Bear)
Another Nepeta outfit for the Captchavogue Zine 2021
#polar bear#polarbear#cholerbear#choler bear#outfit#fashion#captchavogue#captchalog#nepeta#nepeta leijon#fashion zine#homestuck zine#zine#zines#fanzine#fanzines#troll#trolls#homestck trolls#homestuck troll#homestuck trolls#fanart#digital art#fashion doll#clothing#clothes#fur#furry#bear#bears
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Ship Piccrew Challenge!
I'm assuming this Challenge consists of making your favorite ships into this piccrew!
My two highest ships right now are Butchie and Maevelight! I live and breathe these two ships! Idk if it's my connection to Butcher and Maeve, the dynamics and depth between these characters, or both, but I absolutely adore them! I can't get enough of them. There's a lot I could say about them, but just know I am mega obsessed with these two ships.
For clarity's sake to anyone who doesn't know who these are; I tried my best to make Butcher and Hughie, as well as Maggie and Annie from the show The Boys (2019), I think they turned out so adorable!
tagged by: MY RIOT SISTER @littlemissclandestine (thank youuu, this was so much fun!!)
tagging: @dollhidden @awkwardcourage @citizenstarlight @phoenix-flamed @hacker-codeq @spectrophobias @sesyeuxocean @savior-of-humanity @warborn-tragedy and anyone else I missed, consider yourself tagged by me!
#➹ out of curses ✼ (ooc)#;; the choleric slaughterer ;; (billy but.cher)#;; the disillusioned empress ;; (queen mae.ve)#✢ MAEVE ✢ self ; visage.#;; BUTCHER ;; self ; visage.#;; BUTCHER x HUGHIE ;; otp.#;; MAEVE x ANNIE ;; otp.
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*gets five notes on my .hackposting* the audience is on fire, they can't get enough of me
#van stuff#three of those notes are from my friends too#Red will see me talk about yet another sad choleric and start clapping and waiting for me to stick a knife in him#which I will!! Give me time!!#Peer pressure but it's just my audience pounding the table shouting 'blood! blood! blood!'
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Ultimate Word Tournament!
choleric (English, Medieval Medicine Dialect)
[ˈkɑlɝɪk]
1. bad-tempered or irritable.
2. (in medieval medicine) having choler as the predominant bodily humour.
ethereal (English)
[ɪˈθɪɚ.i.əl]
1. light, airy, or tenuous.
2. extremely delicate or refined.
3. heavenly or celestial.
4. of or relating to the upper regions of space.
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🌷👹Alex = ENTJ📈🏆
Btw these headcanons are heavily inspired plus agreeable to @/cornedbread’s headcanons to Alex
- Alex is possibly a Deep thinker, sometimes dissociating a bit or would stare blankly. [*N**/Intuition]
- He’s possibly an abstracted and drastic creature to create something so ridiculous, intriguing and as well as… Life threatening. [Intuition]
- Strategic and unpredictable, like how in his true form he waits for the perfect moment to pounce. [Dom Te -> Aux Ni -> Ter Se]
- He has NO EMPATHY to others at all and lacks personal concerns, but interestingly he has an “intimate friendship” with Dolly. Since Real Alex known her and so is she. [Inf Fi + SO/SX + Choleric]
- Power hungry and authoritarian in secret. There’s a hidden thirst for order and the strong ambition of achievement (A goal we possibly have not known about yet). As said or mentioned by Scrina. [ Enneagram 3 + SX8 ]
- Likewise, they’re fascinated by the wonders of biology and zoology. It’s either something sinister or “lighthearted” if he would look at some organism. Just curiously keeping an eye… Even aware of its actions. [ Enneagram 5 + Ni-Se ]
- Although mostly aggressive, he finds joy in things like biology/zoology, nature, aloe vera, and right awnsers. It’s not just that though. [ Secondary Sanguine ]
Conclusion:
ENTJ (The Commander)|| 3w4 - SO/SX - 385 || Choleric-Sanguine || SLOEI
Alex is an ENTJ, The Commander type.
ENTJ’s are highly strategic, intelligent and influential people able to create, plan and lead. ENTJ’s by strength can be very caring and supportive of ideas, but as for an Unhealthy version can be aggressive and controlling.
(Abbreviation; Extroverted, iNtuitive, Thinking, Judging.)
Along with 3w4 “The Proffesional”, SO-SX, 385 “The Solution Maker” as his enneagram, instinct and tritype;
Social 3’s appear to try and take a liking from others by first glance, and it appears to be a manipulative approach later on(*Unhealthy 3), they gain admiration and recognition for either achievements, charm or so on.
Then here, Sexual 8 craves possession, power and control, which could mean both head(3) and heart(8) are unpredictably cunning, and it’s dangerously lurking inside of him ambiguously.
By gut, 5/Five’s are curious, private and intelligent individuals, so by action Alex decides to let Olivia explore as she walks, almost unheard, for a chance to either catch her or trap her in his realm. It’s also his sense of hiding his physically true form, securing that reality from within.
His temperament is just pure wrath and sadistic joy, he takes pleasure from beating up Scrina to make her do as he says, successfully taking control of a whole entire school. And, Olivia getting an awnser wrong is intended for him to devour her whole. Though “lighthearted” joy is usually established from aloe vera(?), biology/zoology and possibly Dolly.
Besides his other traits; Social, Limbic, and Organized, He possibly possesses an Ego, not pun intended, but he really does set himself high in a low profile as a Teacher. And other hand possibly inquisitive, as he’d borrow an idea to create effective motives on going. But I also like to think that he got heavily inspired by two teachers, since they’re somewhat in the same universe.
That is to make inquisitive in SLOE-“I” a strong proof.
Other notes/Trivia:
- Alex is easily mistaken for an ENTP “The Debater” type for Fandom Portrayal, and ISFP “The Adventurer” type or INFJ “The Advocate” for his fascination for Biology and Zoology.
- It’s likely Real Alex is an ISFP/INFJ. Given by links and such.
- Although 3w4 is now a confirmed type, there are times where Alex seemed SX1 (The Reformer/The Zealous) for the fact he, like Baldi would teach the player solo, and it’s possibly preferable to him.
- Another reason for Alex to be mistaken for an ENTP is his Temperament, Instinct, and possibly his attitude. (*Which I’m yet to study and learn of)
- Overall, Alex likely has an Unhealthy/Immature Personality. Possibly because of his Morality (True Evil).
Fix:
Limbic = SLOEI - Upon reading the wikipedia more, it’s determined that he’s more of a Limbic rather than Calm. As Alex appears to be aggressive and as well assertive, than his stoic demeanor which is a façade.
Refrences:
(A/N: You can find Enneagram 8 and 5 in the same website too)
#mvtique#abibaz alex#abibaz#alex basics in biology and zoology#mbti#enneagram#entj#3w4#enneagram 3#mbti art#personality typing#personality typology#personality analysis#choleric sanguine#eternitydev#enneatypes
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making pretty chokers i'll never wear for pretty people who would actually love wearing them <3
#the parasite talks#i like making the big ruffs but i have a more disheveled look that doesnt pair well with the cute cholers#*chokers#i meant ruffles#...
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Which Of the TOS Crew Are You?
Beta Ray Bill's Incredibly Wrong Result:
CHEKOV(?!)
I won't lie - you're kind of a bastard, but you're also a genius (no wonder you're the youngest member of the bridge crew!). Even if you mess up sometimes, you remain confident and daring. You're probably a master at trolling. Some may find you annoying, but they're probably just jealous of your stunning hair and nationality.
"... When this device asked my name, I said Beta Ray Bill, not Peter Parker."
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Tagged Demanded by: @mutiineer
Tagging: Nope, not gonna tag anyone for this one, I'm lying on the ground from the sheer wrongness.
#dash quizzes#mutiineer#muse: bill#{ DYING }#{ I am shook }#{ what in the name of Odin }#{ this is WRONG and it needs to know that it's WRONG }#{ yes I will now be peppering the tags with mun commentary like a choleric philistine }#{ there isn't a single bridge officer aboard Kirk's Enterprise LESS like Bill! }#{ bastard?! a bastard?! First off Chekov is charming and adorable and I'll have none of that libelous invective }#{ secondly Bill is beyond offended the notion the Last Son of Korbin is an unwanted child }#{ noble warrior - capable engineer - daredevil pilot... but NOT a genius }#{ Bill is the youngest aboard his ship because he's the ONLY CREWMEMBER }#{ messing up while being confident and daring is maybe the only thing Bill and Chekov have in common }#{ Bill doesn't even understand trolling most of the time! }#{ look at that majestic equine face and tell me this valiant Korbinite ANNOYS people! }#{ hair?! what hair?! }#{ legit this result would have been PERFECT for Spidey }#{ also the backhanded compliments toward Chekov feel even more cutting than the direct mockery }#{ was sarcasm also a Russian invention? }
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full disclosure im one of the last that should be listened to in the brawl out/in discussion cause my only saving grace is that im too introverted to wanna deal with the aftermath of fights otherwise violence would be my go-to reaction more often than it should 😭😭 i know its not worth it and stupid but listen ive got 20 years of anger issues in my disabled queer self
#thx to my choleric dad#if it wouldn’t literally put him in the ground hed still shout at everything#anyways take away from this that id jump a bitch for my besties#also fr fr im not saying that id excuse violence but uhh i can understand it
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Temperaments: Physical Appearance (AI-Generated)
Choleric (Fire)
Thin and angular body
Reddish or yellowish complexion
Piercing, intense eyes
Thin and dry lips
Pointed, angular features
Thin, wiry hair
Tendency to sweat profusely
Sanguine (Air)
Robust and muscular body
Ruddy complexion
Large, expressive eyes
Red and full lips
Rounded, fleshy face
Thick, curly hair
Tendency to perspire easily
Phlegmatic (Water)
Plump and round body
Pale, moist complexion
Large, soft eyes
Thick and flabby lips
Rounded features
Thick, wavy hair
Tendency towards oily skin and hair
Melancholic (Earth)
Thin and bony body
Pale complexion
Deep-set, serious eyes
Thin and compressed lips
High forehead
Thin, straight hair
Tendency towards dry skin and hair
#hippocrates#four temperaments#ai#physical appearance#visual identification#personality#psychology#choleric#sanguine#phlegmatic#melancholic
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sorry not sorry but in my heart and mind shiv is sanguine, roman is phlegmatic, kendall is melancholic and connor is choleric. logan was probably choleric in his youth but he's phlegmatic now. determinations made based on a combination of bodily fluid motif, general temperament, and maturity/age. also humoural personalities are not fixed over time it's normal for them to change as a person ages and they're always in a dialectical relationship with the physical body and its literal physical humours. thank you
#shiv and connor are both near the sanguine/choleric border btw but i do stand by those categories#i have a whole chart actually but these are the five im most invested in
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