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scorpionwins · 2 years
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hi, I just wanted to ask something. This has been bugging me for a while, but how come you're not as mad as Archie as you are at Betty? it takes TWO people to kiss...
Why hello!! I'm more than happy to rant about this because it's been on my BRAIN, just sitting there, so thanks for giving me an opportunity :D
So, I'm going to assume you're asking why I don't hold Betty and Archie to the same standard when it comes to bringing up the b*ghead break up/the infamous double judas kiss that started it all. To be as frank as possible; It's very much favoritism. But the justified kind, so lower your pitchforks.
Just by a quick scroll to my blog, I think it's unmistakably evident I like Archie over Betty; Like a red dot in a white room. You can't miss it. It's there. And as third party viewers, our individual feelings, opinion, and attachments we form towards these characters motivate the moral standards we set for them.
Take a generous majority of Betty stans, for example; Despite being united by the same romantic relationship in the show, they have a direct connection in strongly disliking the male half of said relationship; Jughead.
Betty is very much the golden child of B*gheads, so I figured it was fair game. Arguably, you can say some of them maintain some objectivism, but not enough for me to consider it valuable.
Now, am I saying Archie's a perfect angel who could do no wrong? That because he's the fandom's ' haha, big himbo Boi golden retriever stupid wholesome jock' means all guilt and responsibility should be absorbed from his part? No! Absolutely not.
I don't think there's anyone in this fandom who hates the " Archie is a perfect angel and our annoying but beloved protagonist " narrative more than I do;
Fuck. No. Archie is a violent, careless, emotionally inept douchebag, who wouldn't know what a non-dysfunctional relationship was if it spit in his eye. But here's a thing, Archie isn't the protagonist; He's the antagonist.
Arguably speaking, Archie's the most morally ambiguous/morally grey character on the show, in my opinion. Not because he struggles with separating dark from light, but because he chooses both.
I can't really look at a kiss and all that other shit he's done and be like ' oh YEA, kissing was definetly worse!' the same logic can apply to Betty, but here's ANOTHER thing; Archie didn't owe Jughead loyalty.
Archie wasn't his boyfriend; Archie wasn't the one promising he won't do it again; Archie wasn't the one who went behind his back. He's the mistress in this scenario, and mistresses aren't morally indebted to anyone.
Betty was. She was Jughead's girlfriend. She was the one who sang " you're the only man for me" and yet does the opposite, on quite clear multiple times. (There's accounts of consecutive emotional cheating as well) and she's the one who's actions hurt Jughead the most because SHE was dating him.
Hell, Archie and Jughead were barely even friends; I'll even argue to say a constant theme in the show is the constant construction and reconstruction of Jarchie's friendship. How they fail to be friends but still choose eachother, over and over again, because they're held together by memories and nostalgia.
Of course I can't hold the same bitterness for Archie when his involvement and presence in Jughead's life doesn't hold the same impact as Betty's. Archie never promised him anything. Betty did.
At best, Archie owes Jughead an apology, but his real target of compensation should be his actual partner. Veronica. Archie owes her remorse.
I'll even go ahead and say it - the varchie break up hurt more because their relationship was build on actual meaningful, mature grounds.
b*ughead is a middle schooler's relationship goals. Which is to be expected because they were 16, teenagers, yet! Archie and Veronica happen to be characters with more experience in romance, both by direct and indirect contact. (From multiple partners to their own parents separating respectively)
I don't necessarily like comparing emotional damage; I do my best not to cherry pick. However, I don't think I owe cheaters the courtesy of fair thinking.
There's no good reason to cheat. It's a destructive, cruel, abusive act of disrespect towards your partner, and I'm not at all moved by Betty's performative remorse, especially because she clearly doesn't feel it as much as the fandom pushes it.
But I'll say it once and I'll say it for as long as I can; If anti Barchies dislike barchie because they like Betty, I dislike b*ghead because I love Jughead.
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bughead-in-the-comics · 10 months
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Bughead Moments in Riverdale that Also Happened in the Comics: Season 1 (Part 2)
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Here are some additional Bughead moments in the comics that also happened on the first season of Riverdale:
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♥ Bughead are married (in a dream sequence).
Comics: Early to Bed, Archie #43, 1950.
Show: S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ Jughead puts his arm around Betty’s shoulder.
Comics: Shoe Shoe Baby, Laugh Comics #108, 1993.
Show: S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ Archie realizes Jughead’s feelings for Betty.
Comics: He Loves Me, He Loves Me Not, Betty #65, 1998.
Show: S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ Betty tells Veronica how wonderful Jughead is.
Comics: The Real Me, Jughead #151, 1967.
Show: S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ Bughead hold hands while walking down the street.
Comics: Concerted Effort, Archie’s Pal Jughead #111, 1964.
Show: S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ Betty kisses Jughead.
Comics: To Sleep, Perchance to Dream, Betty’s Diary #16, 1988.
Show: S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ FP asks his son Jughead about his feelings for Betty.
Comics: Man to Man, Jughead #312, 1981.
Show:  S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ Betty pledges her undying support for Jughead.
Comics: It’s Friendship, Jughead #313, 1981.
Show:  S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ Betty holds Jughead’s arm.
Comics: Do or Diet, Archie’s Pal Jughead #102, 1963.
Show:  S01E07: In A Lonely Place, 2017.
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♥ Veronica ships Bughead.
Comics: Splitsville, Betty and Me #11, 1967.
Show:  S01E08: The Outsiders, 2017.
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♥ Lazy Jughead helps Betty prepare for an event.
Comics: Thrills and Spills, Archie’s Pal Jughead #183, 2007.
Show:  S01E08: The Outsiders, 2017.
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♥ Jughead puts a protective arm around Betty.
Comics: Rhythm and Blues, The Jughead Jones Comics #100, 1996.
Show:  S01E08: The Outsiders, 2017.
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♥ Jughead comforts a crying Betty with a hug.
Comics: Worlds Apart, Betty and Veronica #274 (2015).
Show: S01E09: La Grande Illusion, 2017.
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♥ Bughead watch a movie at The Bijou.
Comics: Conform and Reform, Archie’s Pal Jughead #75, 1961.
Show: S01E10: The Lost Weekend. 2017.
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♥ Betty and the gang throw a surprise birthday party for Jughead.
Comics: A Surprised Party, Archie’s Pal Jughead #86, 1996.
Show: S01E10: The Lost Weekend, 2017.
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♥ Jughead declares that Betty and Archie are his only best friends.
Comics: The Beginning of the End, Betty and Veronica #272, 2014.
Show: S01E10: The Lost Weekend, 2017.
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♥ Jughead kisses Betty’s hand.
Comics: Noble Nibble, Archie Annual #8 (1957).
Show: S01E10: The Lost Weekend, 2017.
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♥ Bughead give Archie a hard time because of his sappy music.
Comics: Dancing Fool, Betty and Veronica Double Digest #122, 2004.
Show: S01E11: To Riverdale and Back Again, 2017.
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♥ Betty gets busy with school dance preparations (and Jughead sort of helped).
Comics: Prom Promise, Betty #7, 1993.
Show: S01E11: To Riverdale and Back Again, 2017.
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♥ Betty and Jughead attend a school dance together.
Comics: Walking Baby Back Home, Archie’s Pal Jughead Annual #4 (1956).
Show: S01E11: To Riverdale and Back Again, 2017.
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♥ Betty scolds Archie and Ronnie for doubting Jughead.
Comics: Tall Tale Test, Archie Double Digest #151, 2004.
Show: S01E11: To Riverdale and Back Again, 2017.
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♥ Jughead tells Betty and the gang that his family is planning to move to Ohio.
Comics: My Friend Jughead, Jughead #1, 1987.
Show: S01E11: To Riverdale and Back Again, 2017.
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♥ Betty finds sad Jughead at Pop's chock'lit shoppe.
Comics: Silver Bromide, Betty #98, 2001.
Show: S01E12: Anatomy of a Murder, 2017.
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♥ Jughead calls Betty on the phone.
Comics: Nice Slice, Jughead's Jokes #11, 1969.
Show: S01E12: Anatomy of a Murder, 2017.
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♥ Betty insists that Jughead belongs in Riverdale.
Comics: A Moving Experience, Archie's Pal Jughead #98, 1997.
Show: S01E13: The Sweet Hereafter, 2017.
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♥ Bughead share a hug (near a car).
Comics: Double Trouble, Archie Meets Riverdale #1, 2022.
Show: S01E13: The Sweet Hereafter, 2017.
* Not sure if this counts though because the comic, which was obviously based on the actors on the TV show, was released later than the episode.
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♥ Bughead and the gang save someone who fell down a frozen lake.
Comics: Catch 2, Laugh Comics Digest #58, 1985.
Show: S01E13: The Sweet Hereafter, 2017.
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♥ Bughead are having a laugh at the chock'lit shoppe.
Comics: Tomato Surprise, The Jughead Jones Comics Digest #97, 1995.
Show: S01E13: The Sweet Hereafter, 2017.
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♥ Jughead tells Betty he loves her.
Comics: Splitsville, Betty and Me #11, 1967.
Show: S01E13: The Sweet Hereafter, 2017.
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♥ Betty tells Jughead that she loves him.
Comics: A Lesson in Logic, The Adventures of Little Archie #48 (1968).
Show: S01E13: The Sweet Hereafter, 2017.
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♥ Bughead make out in the kitchen.
Comics: Study Buddy, Archie’s Pal Jughead Annual #3, 1955.
Show: S01E13: The Sweet Hereafter, 2017.
♫ You made me a, you made me a believer... believer! ♫
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village-skeptic · 8 months
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music meme!
An eon ago @floggingink tagged me in a music shuffle meme! I'm not a huge playlist person, but here's a selection of tabs I had open, stuff I heard on the radio in the part few days, etc etc. (Is the radio the analog version of shuffle? You tell me.)
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The Who, "Baba O'Riley" — The episode of Joe Pera Talks to You where Joe Pera discovers Baba O'Riley (sample here) is such a pure and joyful watch, and also IMO one of the best on-screen depictions I have ever seen of how the first ecstatic stage of a new hyperfixation feels: this, more, again, again! Let me share this thing with you, strangers and friends, so that you might also feel transcendent joy!
The Lone Bellow, "Honey" — Love the mellow energy on this one. For some reason I feel like if this had been on the radio in 2017/2018, it would have shown up in a bunch of top-shelf Bughead fics. Maybe it's the "Put the pedal to the floor/Let the darkness come" lyric?(@anniemurphys, thoughts?)
R.E.M., "Strange Currencies" — This Esquire article described the soundtrack for The Bear as "widely praised by forty-something-year-old Midwestern dads," and like, uhhhh: guilty as charged.
boygenius, "Not Strong Enough" — "Always an angel, never a god": what a mood, what a mood. Also, it reminded me that I really want to make a mixtape of song pairs with opposite titles. Obviously the match for this one is Sheryl Crow's "Strong Enough."
Twisted Sister, "We're Not Going to Take It" — I have always wondered about the lyric "Your life is trite and jaded/Boring and confiscated." My theory is that it was supposed to be "constipated," but that that was actually too much rebellion for the label.
Skeeter Davis, "The End of the World" — Whenever I hear this song, it's playing over the credits of Mad Men in November 1963. But the other day I heard it on my local oldies radio station, followed directly by Len's unparalleled 1999 one-hit wonder "Steal My Sunshine," and gentle readers, I about had a stroke.
Dove Cameron, "Boyfriend" — I've never encountered this song anywhere outside of the Internet, but anytime I hear it, I walk around with it stuck in my head for the next 3 days. It's basically the same lick over and over again, but when it's this sticky, you don't honestly need more than that.
Jimmy Buffett, "Come Monday" — Awww, Jimmy. Legitimately sad about his passing.
Duncan Sheik, "Barely Breathing" — Truly, the '90s will always be with us. Or at least with me.
Joni Mitchell (with Brandi Carlile and others, 2022), "Both Sides Now" — Do you need to have a good cry? Well, you do now. Consider this an open tag for anyone who wants to play - I'd love to hear what you've been listening to!
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Okay so here's a badly explained explanation of the gay meta rvd ending
so Louisa may Alcott wrote little women and she didn't want to make Jo end up with a man but her editors were like girl you have to so last chapter is a added piece of heteroseuxal propaganda purposes
Anyway in Dawson's creek last two eps are Dawson the author of Dawsons creek own tv show based of his own life that is also bizarre and weird and plot has a lot of little women girls endings happening like Polly's meg ending
Last ep we got the song tell me at the end of ep which was sung by sarosie Ronan aka jo march of the Greta gerwig little women and let's look at this
So here's gerwigs Jo march speech
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And here's Alice and Betty in the ep before this
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It's the same sentiment
Ok so in rvd series finale we are watching jug and Betty the authors of rvd(joey potter is also author in Dawson's creek) like visit the gang in like a Christmas carol esc dreamscape
so what's happening is we are Jug's novel version of the life of the Riverdale kids but this time it's slaps isn't bad or lazy like jugs first novel about the serpents
Betty and jug both have magazines something I presume is true in some way in the irl universe but jug makes Betty the main character because she's the only who like has her bad memories and she's a author and his platonic soulmate bla bla bla
So I think that irl bughead gay siblings probably said a lot of what is in the this ep but also Archie's poem is full of things that happened irl in rvd that are bad memories so clearly jughead or Betty had to write it
Betty who I've said like thirty times is also a rvd author saids a different version of jugs Riverdale's goodbye speech that is reminiscent of Archie's earlier poem
The polycule is something jug wouldn't directly be involved in a sexual manor(at least with Archie) irl he's got issues with his homosexuality but remember hes sees beronica as a part of himself so adding in beronica gay sex while still making it hetero sensationalized idea of sexuality via the polycule thing is a great solution also here's Jen from Dawson's creek words on their core four
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She's calls it incestous so I highly doubt the polycule is like a good thing
Also the reason jarchie isn't really declared is because jarchie is Dawson and pacey and they already got they're gay ending in Dawson's Creek the white boys already got their ending (like in gay coded media history legacy etc)
The show is centered around obviously our authors but also Veronica our latina party girl from new York so the idea that beronica is confirmed but not jarchie because bless their hearts but Archie doesn't make poetry that's groundbreaking and just lacks emotional delveopment and jughead is pathetic but often times correct but primarily out of the necessity of childhood survival stragies and jug is obsessed with his man so naturally arch is portrayed as the bees knees
Sidenote:if you wanted to you could breakdown every detail that's close to what happened irl or is something jug is extrapolating on in his novel for example we know Cheryl is painter and so Jughead gives her a career as painter
Anyway tldr it's Louisa may Alcott core gay
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thetaoofbetty · 2 years
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am watching again. because i know i missed things while being perpetually distracted by bughead and palladium soup:
side eyeing how cheryl brings up palladium as his weakness but it's not for the others since it's obviously a kryptonite stand in but also connects archie alone to the mines
jughead tells her to think of them as comic books but also we see which one you pulled out, my guy
heyyyyy, why didn't any of us notice he's wearing a version of the outfit that he's wearing during their first kiss while seeing those memories?
uh hal is gross and creepy? gonna need the people who are like, yeah her life was bad but... not to bring that energy to me ever again
they said we're gonna show how little veronica thinks of reggie
britta using cheryl for grade negotiations is the energy i want for her
also alice forwards a lot of emails to her? who knew they actually communicated?
if people don't think jughead is the one seeing these traumatic moments while reliving his memories with her, especially the one where he comforts her about her thinking she's evil, for no possible future reasons, i don't know what to tell you
archie's face changing when betty calls to invite him out with veronica is hilarious
i've never had a hangover so now i'm choosing to believe i am a very tiny bit of a spider woman. fist bump it out, ronnie
we were robbed by getting no cheronica ever. ROBBED
alice is trash. has always been trash and will forever remain trash. the end
is betty gonna be like, yeah, imma go evil because her thinking she's evil is like, a *~theme~* at this point
totally not mentioning how they showed how only one person has told her she's not like her dad in the same episode
i like how they went from football or music to forging archie in fire to make him invulnerable
did they just do a product placement of canva in dialogue?
yeah, betty doesn't look overly thrilled about him being invulnerable again? then again, archie with an ego is insufferable so i get that
them putting in the varchie kiss and the bughead flashback parts where they do in the song because of the lyrics is hilarious of them
i do not trust heather
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good-night-dodger · 1 year
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tag 9 people you’d like to get to know better 💖
I was tagged by the marvelous @thetaoofbetty. Thank you!
~ 3 ships: Bughead, obviously, Literati (Rory and Jess, Gilmore Girls) and Spuffy (Buffy and Spike, Buffy the Vampire Slayer).
~ first ever ship: @thetaoofbetty said Anne and Gilbert from the Anne of Green Gables trilogy (and the books) and my answer is the same. I looooved them.
~ last song: After The Earthquake by Alvvays
~ last movie: Glass Onion
~ currently reading: I just started The Maid by Nita Prose. It was a Christmas gift.
~ currently watching: I've watched three episodes of Julia (on HBO) in the last few days. It's good so far.
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~ currently consuming: tea, as always.
~ currently craving: a fudgy brownie. And pizza. Now I'm hungry.
Tagging @stonerbughead @heartunsettledsoul @bettsc @lovedinapastlife @bughead-bones @lucivar @winterlovesong1 @honestlyhappymoon and anyone who wants to play!
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heytherejulietx · 2 years
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"When I said I'll never stop loving you I really meant it Betty, because after all this time I've never stopped"
Well this is for bughead obviously 🥲❤️
“when i said i’ll never stop loving you i really meant it betty, because after all this time i’ve never stopped.” if it wasn’t for the lump in her throat betty would have responded, but her eyes were full of tears and her hands were shaking and she couldn’t quite get out what she wanted to say - at twenty years old, stepping foot back into pop’s chock’lit shoppe for the first time in a year, she’d have thought that she wouldn’t be crying in her and jughead’s old booth. his hand reached to take hers over the table, and she gripped his tightly as she sniffled quietly with a small smile. neither veronica nor archie had come back to town like promised, but in a way she was secretly happy of the fact; if they were there then betty wouldn’t have had the chance to say what was on her mind, that the year spent without jughead was the worst of her life, and she couldn’t take another away from him. her hand moved to lace their fingers as the tears flowed down her flushed cheeks, but the smile that was on her face was enough for a matching expression to appear on his features across the table too. “i never stopped loving you, either.”
send me the first sentence of a fic and i’ll write the next five.
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i-know-you-can · 1 year
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tag 9 people you’d like to get to know better 💖
tagged by @thetaoofbetty
~ 3 ships: Bughead, obviously. Fitzsimmons (from Agents of Shield) even though I don’t post much about them but they feel right for No. 2. The third place is always changing based on recent obsessions but I’ve been a shipper of Cresswell (from The Lunar Chronicles) for many many years so that feels right.
~ first ever ship: I honestly don’t know? Maybe Sabrina and Harvey from Sabrina the Teenage Witch (aka the superior Sabrina show)? I remember being into that back before my internet days. 
~ last song: I actually don’t know what song I intentionally listened to last. Turns out I’m not a big music person. 
~ last movie: Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - that movie was loooong and I wish I was still as into Marvel as I once was but it doesn’t feel the same anymore.
~ currently reading: Technically I’m about a quarter way through The Long Way to a Small, Angry Planet but I’m not exactly feeling it and debating whether to continue or not.
~ currently watching: I finished Upload yesterday and for a show that I didn’t even know existed a month ago, I got very into it and hope season 3 can come soon. It’s very much up my alley and I’m surprised more people aren’t watching it.
~ currently consuming: just plain air, but I’ve just consumed my coffee
~ currently craving: nothing much. Maybe a pain killer because I have a headache
tagging: anyone who wants to do this (I know, such a lame reply) because I don’t know who has already done this or been tagged and honestly, I’ve even lost track of who is even still active here 
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anjelia3 · 7 years
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I didn't think you were an American Werewolf kind of girl.
                                         That's where you're wrong, Jughead Jones.
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lovedinapastlife · 2 years
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🎉 Happy birthday Cara, creator of the most wonderful popsicle kiss in existence!!! 🎉
@thetaoofbetty aka Smudge is a gifted writer, a thoughtful friend, and a brilliant fandom favorite. To celebrate and honor her fabulousness, I commissioned the incredibly talented @pinklisalizard to illustrate (and age up) an adorable first kiss from one of Cara's amazing bughead fics! Poor little Jughead gets a popsicle stuck to his lip and needs Betty's help melting it. 💋🔥
only wanna be with you by Smudge
It's hot, it's hilarious, it's sweet... and there's "fake" dating! I mean, it's by Cara, so obviously it's fantastic. Go read it and send her some extra love for blessing us with thoughts, fic, memes, tags, and her presence! Cheers to another trip around the sun, my friend! 🍒💜
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jabitha-endgame · 3 years
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When you look at RD as a whole, the character/couples arcs this episode makes so much sense
- Varchie was never meant to last because Archie was V’s closest ties to the small town. It was proven that she was happy and thriving in Wall Street, if only Chad was less controlling I bet that she would never return to Archie. She saw her future in New York and she needs someone who can match her energy without dulling her shine, which is Reggie.
- Archie was always meant to stay in Riverdale. He never saw his life anywhere else and the town is depending on him. It’s been established that his loyalties lie to Riverdale above all else. He wouldn’t be happy in New York the same way Ronnie wouldn’t be content in Riverdale.
- Archie and Betty went through so much as individuals and with their shared trauma and experiences, they could help each other heal. They’re the only two in the core four who experienced the loss of their loved ones and has PTSD. I think that Barchie’s arc can focus on healing - both the town (as a tribute to those they loved and lost) and themselves.
- Since the first episode it’s been established that Pop’s has been Jughead’s true home. We see that over the seasons when the diner has been one of the most important places in his life and everything associated with it screams home and comfort to him. Now he’s running it with this amazing girl who cared about him when he was at his lowest, saw him at his worst, and still loved him through it all.
Betty and Jughead were alright as a high school couple but this season proved that they’re completely different people now. We saw during a previous episode that in his inebriated state, Juggie saw the high school version of Betty apologising to him - not the current Betty Cooper. He was in love with the idea of her for 7 years and finally truly moved on after he got the closure he needed in the bunker. That wasn’t a Bughead reunion, it was them officially closing that chapter of their lives before they finally moved on for good. After that, he finally let himself fall completely in love with Tabitha.
They really do! I loved this season.
Veronica wouldn't have called herself the She Wolf of Wallstreet like 80 times if she didn't believe it and take pride in that title. Her work and her ambition are obviously super important to her, and it seems based off 5x18 that Reggie has the same goals as her. She said his idea of the future sounded like heaven.
Archie is Riverdale. Especially with the loss of his father, he wants to be just like him. Riverdale was always his home.
It's interesting isn't it that Barchie was ended earlier this season because they were apparently too different (but this is said without them ever actually being together or exploring life together), yet we see that be the reason Veronica ends up leaving Archie. I'm pretty curious to see what Betty and Archie as adults could look like in an actual relationship.
Exactly. Pop's is Jughead's safe haven. Tabitha is the embodiment of that. Tabitha being there for Jughead instead of giving up on him or abandoning him at the lowest point in life has allowed Jughead to regain his self worth. Tabitha's love for Jughead and Jughead's love for her has been the best thing about this season. This is what a mature relationship looks like. They are just so perfect.
Betty and Jughead worked in highschool, but they don't work any more. They are in completely different places and want different things. The drug trip hallucination highlighted the disconnect between who Jughead wanted Betty to be and who she actually is. Jughead tried to hold on to who Betty was to the point of hallucinating her saving him when in reality she said he wasn't her problem.
I am here for the direction the show is going, it's actually so exciting. These are the shakeups I was waiting the entire time jump to see explored, I'm glad we're finally doing it.
Is there a more on-the-nose metaphor for the status quo shakeup then literally blowing up Pop's?
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Anyway, hello again, good morning. Since we’re all throwing theories around, here’s what I suspect will happen with the Tabitha, Jughead, Betty, uh, love triangle as it were (I mean the real answer is that they should all kiss, but that’s not my theory)
The sequence of events that I imagine happening:
-Jughead returns to Riverdale after an episode monologuing to the audience about what happened to him. I’m not going to theorize about what actually happened in the past, or how Betty plays into it because honestly... it feels like the writers have been making it up as they go along. Whatever it is, I’m sure everyone will have a lot of opinions about it. It’ll be what it’ll be.
-Tabitha is glad Jughead is back! Jughead is happy to see her! They will be cute. They like each other (y’all it’s fine. Like full disclosure, I can’t fully engage with Jughead/Tabitha because it makes me feel sad! But that doesn’t keep me from thinking they are very cute and have a lot of potential. And I’ve said this before, but I’d rather Tabitha be treated with respect by the narrative AS someone who has really been there for Jughead, and who Jughead could potentially have a great relationship with. But relationships are about choices.)
-Moving on. Jughead will be like “hey Tabitha, I’m ready to put this harmful stuff from my past behind me. What do you say about trying out this thing between us?”
-Tabitha will be like, “That’s great! You’re cute, I like you, but um...... I heard the voicemail that you left for Betty two years ago, and it really hurt her. If we’re going to start something, I really need you to work things out with Betty first. After that, maybe we can talk.”
-Jughead will be like “shit, what was on that voicemail.”
-Jughead and Betty will have their intense heart to heart about what happened/ the voicemail/etc [confirmed by RAS in interviews]
-Jughead will come away from that realizing that things aren’t necessarily over with Betty (whereas before he would have had every reason to assume she wasn’t interested/that she had moved on). And more importantly, that he wants to be there for her. (To me there’s not really a question about whether they still love each other? I think it’s been clear that they do and that’s what hurts about everything that has happened between them. And it’s something they will have to work through. But it’s riverdale so... they’ll probably work through it within two episodes.)
-After this Tabitha and Jughead talk about everything. Again, it’s riverdale, so I imagine it’ll be A scene, and then it will never be talked about again............... (but really all three of them should kiss)
-Somewhere within all this Polly’s body is found. Right before the musical episode? Before that? I’m not sure of the actual break down of episodes here.
-Betty is spiraling, Jughead tries to connect with her. At first she shuts him down, closing in on herself. By the end of the episode, she takes steps toward reconnecting with him [see songs Hey 1/Hey 2/ Hey Reprise from Next to Normal. I don’t think they will be used in exactly the same way, but the parallels are pretty direct here]
-By the end of the season they are either back together or on track to be back together, but as for how the overall plot threads of this season will resolve......... I have no clue. (Are the writers going to throw in the Trash bag killer at the end of the season?? Is that a next season thing?? Was the mothman just trauma all along? Is Chad going to die? I can’t theorize about those things because Riverdale loves to just throw shit around and call it a plot.)
So, that’s where I think things are headed. Obviously, I could be wrong. And even if I am right, the thing about Riverdale is that they will always find out a way to play out what you expect in the most frustrating way possible. So, uh, be prepared for that either way.
And to any Jabitha shippers who might have read this. I love you, I’m sorry people have been jerks. If things do play out where Tabitha and Jughead end up dating, I hope it plays out in a way that you enjoy! And if it doesn’t happen, I hope you find a way to enjoy them anyway!
To my bughead shippers. Please chill, xoxo.
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arsenicpanda · 3 years
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So, obviously, this is an amazing first kiss, from he hesitant “Also...” to the way he looks down at her lips, to her adorable “What?”s, to the way he just goes for it, to her little smile that’s all “oh”, to his big sigh of relief because he kissed Betty Cooper.  The whole thing is perfect.
But I will die on the hill that the best part is her little realization of “The car!” and his reaction to it.  Kissing Jughead clears Betty’s mind because she’s just completely at ease and at peace with him, and that’s fucking precious.  But even better is Jughead’s pleased smile at her realization, the way he’s just like “yes, that’s the Betty Cooper I love”, and how he playfully teases her about it.  Betty, who is wound so goddamn tight, is just completely at ease for one moment because it’s Jughead and he’s kissing her, and Jughead is just so enamored with Betty not because she’s the girl next door but because she’s an investigative weirdo who does shit like have revelations in the middle of kiss.
It’s the beauty of bughead in a nutshell, and it’s perfect, and I love it.
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petalsmooth · 3 years
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Ok.
Let’s talk Lili.
First off we only know what stars put out about themselves or other people say about them. We are not friends with these people. We are not in their homes. We don’t usually hear what they say in unguarded conversation. What we know is what is out on social media with some highly distorted soundbites from chats or DM’s with her mother that were exposed.
We were initially presented a portrait pushed by her and her family no less of a middle class family with the standard girl next door hit it big narrative. Down to earth, relatable, somewhat quirky. Strong two parent supportive household. All that was missing were the apron and pearls.
This girl came out of the gates talking about a modernized Riverdale with two girls who would be actually close and not vying for the same redhead. Feel free to add/or correct along the way of course...especially early on when not following as closely.
We got very little in the way of insight into Cole and Lili because they were trying to keep it quiet even if there were hints together. Mostly during this period what fans were fed was that she was slightly awkward socially, maybe not the most intellectual but nice and harmless. She spoke of empowering women, independence, she constantly shut down the idea of Barchie and praised Bughead. Along through the year’s she would speak to social bullying or bullying in general. She would openly talk about struggles with mental health. She’d talk and show her cystic acne and share photos not all airbrushed in ode to body positivity. She’d talk about not having an hourglass figure, and cellulite and often go out in ratty shorts and a bun sans makeup. You see she’d talk about it then follow through by showing lived the walk or calling out photoshops done of her.
Again this is “relatable girl next door quirky Lili” we told was the REAL Lili.
She would frequently talk and post about her family and dogs at home and how much she loved and missed them...though oddly not so much her older sister.
At a certain point it became undeniable Cole and Lili were together to even the hardest deniers. Of course also the Met gala eventually made official for media.
We get have her liking posts such as Miley’s about how lucky she was to have a man who checked off all the boxes. But at times there were glimpses all wasn’t kosher. People have mentioned various cons where she’d be caught flirting somewhere else, or she’d be in a bad mood giving Cole a cold shoulder. We recently saw an old video of them walking and her basically demanding he drop the fans and attend her. We have the con were Camilla is sexually harassing Cole everywhere and Lili doesn’t shut it down until Camilla tries to grind on him. It was so bad even Mads intervened. We have the interview where she is talking over him or rolling her eyes and basically being the unprofessional brat her fans claim she is not. Even though it’s ON CAMERA. Snapping at your co worker/boyfriend and rolling your eyes during a professional interview is not deniable.
Flashforward to the trip to Italy because for me there was always something off about that. That trip was obviously planned far in advance. Clearly Lili was supposed to be there. Her fans quickly blamed Cole because Lili was working. Lili didn’t have to work. It wasn’t a career changing move to do that film. It did not do well. I’m not entirely sure what was happening around that time but I have the sense Cole was disappointed/a  little angry she prioritized it over him accepting very likely the offer AFTER the trip was planned.
Lili spirals during this time. Cole comes back to clean up mess. They are quiet on social media for a long time then slowly emerge again and eventually get the photo booth shots, the wedding and her mingling with NY friends for once. Turns out close to the end for them.
I don’t want to make this a Sprousehart post though although some relevance to bring part of it up. The point is Lili put her career over her relationship. It was a calculated decision. It was also the wrong decision. Her fans talk about her being this warm giving person but that was a cynical call and a pretty lousy thing to do to your boyfriend of several year’s. I’m all for supportive partners but there are time’s where you make sacrifices if you really care for someone and this was a special trip planned long in advance. She blew it off. If I’m the partner she does this too, I question why I’m putting in the effort if it doesn’t mean to them what it means to me. 
TBH I think the bad choices she made there is why tried to make it up by meeting with his friends, the wedding etc...
Something than clearly happened because by January they were done. Not sure we’ll ever know but it looked like they were trying to fix things given the happiness hadn’t seen on Cole’s faces in a long time in those booth pics and then...it was done. We didn’t know at the time, but this is timeline Cole gave. There was a brief attempt at reconciliation where she babysits him at a photo shoot and posts a photo of them in bed and then shortly after...Cole calls it off. 
He heads to LA, she follows him there but not without making sure to shove Casey’s face into her chest to post and rent a place close to where he is staying. She posts weepy messages about the world ending etc....and weird new photos mimicking old shoots with him so naturally people think this means whatever happened they worked through. Around same time she and hers manipulated her fans to try to cancel him earlier because she misunderstood a picture of Kaia....although flat out if he had been with Kaia he was SINGLE and it was no longer her business.
She tries to walk back the firestorm she unleashed on him by “defending” him from a lesser twitter trend after realizing misconstrued the Kaia picture, All summer she weirdly seems to be trying to avoid the topic if they are together or not despite saying once if they weren’t she’d tell people. She finally puts her foot in her mouth one two many times' and Cole confirms they broke up which she doesn’t acknowledge. Because she doesn’t want to be broken up.
As we know know it wasn’t all rainbows on the set even before all this happened as in the musical she’d launched an object at him hard enough to have the crew concerned. Lili fans keep saying Cole is abusive but the only evidence we have of abuse is her towards him. We also had her suddenly doing a 180 from past 4 year’s and excusing cheating with Archie and promoting everyone in her live recaps except Cole/Jughead.
Back to the events following Cole’s post....then we get a sudden string of interviews taking shots at Cole, doxxing him, implying he could have strayed (just to resurrect hate against him) but can’t say he actually did because she has no proof. We know this because in those chats admit it was just suspicion and paranoia and never did have any names.
We learn that Lili has been funneling news and gossip and photos to keep her mother’s hold on the fandom in check and her mother in turn has been bullying people who would stand on Cole’s side. They sought to ruin him. This is not debatable.
For year’s people had made fun and called Bree out for being an obsessive stalker unable to let a relationship go, then Lili starts doing the same. We know she has tried to copy Ari’s style, her mother made a snide comment about breast size, Lili tried to taunt Ari from on set and Ari shut her down. A girl who almost never was in the line of sight of paps suddenly is snapped everyday following break up even before the public new. That doesn’t just happen. She wanted the attention.
I’m not going to go into all of it, you all know it. Suffice to say revealing she has a bitter vindictive attitude she has submersed herself in ever since Cole made it clear no reunion. She won’t even broach the topic of Bughead/Jughead unless forced. You can spin all you like but the split screens was not an artistic choice by RD. It was spurred by need to keep them apart.
Lili last summer was doing precious little other than a post or two of Black Lives matter and then when Cole gets arrested suddenly she jumps on the me too and sets up impulsive lives. Maybe she meant well but a part of me thinks she did it to attract his attention. Notice once she got praise for it and the initial protests faded she more or less doesn’t bring it up anymore. Cole never intended to get attention, it just happened because he’s a star and got taken in to a jail cell. He never put himself on camera for notice. 
Lili also co-opts the murder of a girl to flaunt she thinks she looks good naked. Completely tone deaf. 
Lili very rarely is seen in fan photos, only usually when she’s getting flack for it online. She, a girl who talks about bullying, went on a  midnight tirade against a guy who dares to critique or poetry setting her fans on him. Then deleted it probably because publicist in her ear.
She first said poems not about Cole, than said you could read into what you wanted to sell them. Now she doesn’t want to talk poetry or sequels because it flopped and was critically panned.
There are constant rumors about Lili on sets of productions to point they even had someone on her newer movie try to downplay. Yet we see in a video the cast barely talking and looking tense on a boat. 
The girl who used to talk about body positivity now lets them airbrush abs onto her.
The girl who used to talk of therapy and mental illness now promotes OTC supplements for $ and cults.
If she mentions cellulite she uses other tik toks of people showing not her own. 
She said she would never be on tik tok, yet now has her own and post old videos that aren’t funny.
Lili once tired to attack Cole by talking about losing yourself in drugs or alcohol or sex yet we’ve seen her drug paraphernalia because she advertises. Her friends post and laugh over her being drunk. She was in an off and on relationship with Wallis that doesn’t seem to be about anything but sex.
We were told Coles friends are bad influences but Taylor is out there solicitating questionable clients and making videos slamming LILI’S COWORKER as a bad actor and his brother,
The majority of Lili’s posts no longer feature Sunny or her family/Addy. 
She insulted Vancouver, compared to a prison, and made it clear her creature comforts were of more importance than a pandemic. Not quite the attitude of an empath. Which she claims she is with intention to be a master which require sucking more gullible people into the cult.
She brags about being a “rich man” without understand the context. She went from artistic photos to modeling pinups to fuel her lack of self esteem.
She’s in her mid 20′s, claims she had grown and matured in the last year but there is no evidence of it. Still can’t work with her ex without buffers which still influences show direction though her fans deny.. Still lives off junk food and hangovers. Those glasses aren’t just for sun. Her timeline is mostly an ode to her vanity with pictures of herself and then her dog. She doesn’t seem to have any causes she’s deeply involved in on the side apart from her cult. She’s still stalking Cole as her impulsive makeup tutorial showed. She said she cut out of her life anyone who doesn’t service her. I highly doubt she is receiving quality therapy on the regular right now. She still does not seem to possess the ability to own her mistakes and apologize when warranted, rather deflects or erases when heat becomes too hot.
The content she puts out about herself post break up is very different than the bill of goods fans were sold before. She is a far cry from that quirky girl next door that stood FOR something more than vanity and shallow affirmation. So no, I don’t see what you see in her stans. Everything that once seemed to distinguish her from other spoilt princesses has long faded. 
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I’d say it’s highly likely hey#3 is a BH not BA song, not 100% but based off of ‘you look like a star’ reminiscent of the prom night coming down the stairs and the way Jug has always looked a betty like a light in the darkness and obviously ’hey, you came’ ‘I said that I might’ hasn’t that been the whole tension between them for two years why didn’t you come, why didn’t you reach out, didn’t think you wanted me to, she came to save me etc.
well first of all, i like the way you think. second, you know the only reason the b/as want "hey #3" is because bugheads started talking about it. there's a whole ass song called "a light in the dark" on that soundtrack and i think i only saw one or two mention it? pls. that's their whole thing they swore was theirs (well, until 5x14 🤭).
but yeah, it seems like there's been some foreshadowing for the musical (esp cooper wise). we could always go full conspiracy theory, just for fun to annoy the trolls who refresh my blog more than anyone would ever find normal:
(no, seriously, we're just having fun here, no one yell at me for this we're just passing time)
hey #1 is about how they've been apart and henry misses natalie, right? she's fallen into drugs, etc, and is a whole ass mess and even tells her she's taking what she's doing too far. he doesn't want them to be over and he wants the version of her she was before she started partying because he knows she can be like that again. he invites her to the dance but she rejects him, etc.
hey #2 is about how henry wants to get to know her again and natalie thinks it's too late and it sounds like she doesn't like the mirror he holds up in front of her. she doesn't want to deal with her bullshit. he doesn't care, he still wants to be with her.
hey#3 natalie shows up to the dance, natalie is still worried about her mom, about being crazy, henry promises to be there for her, you get the impression she's pushing him away because she doesn't want to burden anyone with what might happen later on but he thinks he's perfect for her, i'm sure everyone knows this song by now.
(also henry is really out here doing the most. get you a henry, right?)
anyways, the point is that i feel like you can definitely make threads of all three of those work for bughead this season.
so they've said "hey" twice on the show so far, right?
once in 5x08 and it's what jughead greets betty with when he calls her in 5x14. hey (ha), if you're going to go full conspiracy theory, commit to it, i say.
i feel like if you wanted to put the musical threads into their relationship, it's not all that hard to start seeing how they could pull from henry and natalie to get the bughead we've gotten this season.
but essentially, yes, i agree with you, i think it fits bughead more than any other ship (mostly based on evidence but whatever, people are going to give me invisible reblogs for this, i can feel it) because i'm biased but also because archie has never treated betty the way jughead does and the show has not been subtle lately that jughead isn't over betty and even if they go back and forth or pretend to be friends for a minute, they're always finding their way back to each other.
in other words, i'm manifesting for like 75% ship reasons and 25% to be purely petty later after all the harassment i've been through, ha.
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