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Can we talk about the 4cc version of Kiss? I forgot how much I love that version! They just seemed like their confidence was turned up to the max! Also I know that S swings his leg up and around right before he dips T but I noticed this is the only version where he also swings his leg up *after* he dips her and it’s even higher than before 🥵idk he was just on fire there. And then I love watching the slow motion replay. Tessa especially looks so god damn majestic. Her facial expressions and attitude that she brought to that performance were so on point. What a star 🤩
DAMN STRAIGHT WE CAN.
This is probably the version of Prince (other than ACI) that I’ve watched the least (also where TF is the nationals video?????). The terrible camera work from this event doesn’t bother me so much in the FD bc the more artsy/free vibe of Latch, but Prince.. with half the NTMLSS cut off.. grrrr
But ignoring that uncomfortable watching experience it has some admirable qualities I’d forgotten to fully appreciate.
Firstly- not that I’ve seen the whole comp but I’ve seen the skate order, and seeing that it’s based off world rankings they skated earlier than they normally would’ve, so this burst of energy (and superior talent) would’ve been such a wake up for everyone.
You can definitely see them starting to amp up the energy and precision in this version- the worlds skate being supreme. In the first opening, voguing moves T is so much sharper and S has so much character and is super precise with is movements.
+ this moment from T : the pony tail whip and the sassy snap 🫰
Also in the midline step with the hip hop moves they were so in to it and really trying to feel loose and express that cool kinda hip hop (which I much prefer over the majority of the other programs that year).
Now would you believe me if I told you I never even noticed how high he kicks he is leg after the dip here!?! It’s partly the bad camera angle that’s blocking it, and he does it so quick you’ll miss it. But damn is that hot or what?!?? 🥵
God they are just so cool and casual about their amazingness! They know they are the best good, they perform with so much confidence- never look apologetic for being out there, but they also do not offend you or turn you off by there confidence. They have mastered (they always had this quality) the delicate balance of being into each other and into themselves (in these kinds of programs) as well as performing/interacting with each other and the audience. I’ve never seen another team that’s able to do that like them. So often it’s one or the other, or a mix in the one performance bc they haven’t figured it out. I really don’t know if that’s the sort of thing that can be trained- I really think VM are born performers, and they are each other’s artistic soulmate.
Moving on, their blues pattern is just soo good as well. The deepest edges, covering so much ice. The musicality- I watch every other team (I did this watching the Beijing olys as well) and I count it to VM’s timing- obs they are all doing the same tempo but no one conducts the music like VM do- it’s like they guide the music with their dancing, they are so in the music it’s scary. (Also his twizzle into the first step is m a d n e s s I’ll never shut up about it) 🥵🥵
S has a little boo boo in the middle of the in-hold pattern (which is maybe another reason I don’t watch this version much) but you so easily forget about it and you’re almost immediately right back in it with them. I will say though I think you could feel it in him a bit- like he kept the reminder of that mistake with him throughout the rest of it (I only say that as someone who has watched and studied them so much I pick up on those things) but still overall a superior performance.
I just thought about this watching the video to write this post, and you know how both they (and the fandom) have alluded to it being kind of obvious T was more of a leader this season then ever before.. I think the place that is most clear during actual skating is in the twizzles in Prince- not Latch at all for some reason.. only Prince. Now S was shaky on his twizzles all season (I’ve written before about maybe why) and it seems odd to say that one of them could be ‘leading’ in an individually executed element, but it’s just a thought that popped into my head watching it that.. idk something about the rhythm.. it feels kinda like T is guiding/setting the rhythm, or maybe it’s that hers (twizzles) were soooo solid all season that you’re confident in watching her- like she kinda covers for him in a way?? Idk.. just a thought, but it’s really fascinating to think about how that dynamic operates between them and they could share duties like that (@ VM start your podcast I need more info on this super specific shit)
And then yeah the rest of it is great. Just them being rockstars, amazing lift, crowd on its feet, me in tears, the usual.
I’ve read others say and I agree with it that often if one of them has a bad skate (but usually if it’s him that messes up) they will deprive themselves of a post-skate hug bc they feel they don’t deserve it. Here he messed up and you can tell he was mad so instead of it being ‘well T did good she deserves a hug’ it’s ‘I made a mistake I don’t deserve a hug from my kiddo’.. which lets reestablish: we do not know this for certain.. but it is the vibe I (and others obviously) get. Then there’s times where one does mess up and the other is insistent on a hug (ie worlds this year or NHK the next year when he messed up the twizzles) (also he was very insistent on always giving her hugs earlier around 2010/her injuries).
So yes this is a great performance- every time you could see them getting better and better, which still you watch stuff from 2010 and it’s like ‘how will they get better than that’ and yet they did- they were never satisfied and I love that about them!
Thank for this anon, let’s open it up to more of these- send through a specific performance of any (VM) program with a few key points (like the above ask) and I’ll elaborate- can’t promise they’ll get done straight away but I’ll work my way through them.
ALSO: go ahead and watch this entire program on mute.. double check to make sure you aren’t watching it sped up.. you’re not- they just skate THAT FAST 💨
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imagine having not one, but two underscored world records… just yuzuru hanyu things 😌💅
#worlds 2017 hope&legacy and 4cc 2020 chopin say hi#my sanity has snapped like a stale breadstick#yuzuru hanyu#isu congress#figure skating#isu will NOT be forgiven for what they’ve done to his confidence#when he got his score back for 4cc 2020 chopin and you could TELL he wasn’t satisfied with his score despite setting a new WR#@ the isu: i am at your front door. i am under your bed.#rambles
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what happened to wakaba…….?
she has a coldplay program... please pray for all of us having to cope with skaters skating to generic pop music and coldplay in particular
#anon as soon as they see this ask: YOU FUCKING BITCH YOU DONT EVEN GO HERE#and theyd be right!!#i was maybe a bit too dramatic for somwone that doesnt even follow fs that much anymore#no look out for my hashtag comeback this szn a la vm in 2017#(thats what i said before the gps last season. that's what i said before euros+ 4cc last szn. thats what i said before worlds last season)#no but like i genuinely feel like i have no one to support idk what yuzuru retiring did to me#also my mental illness is at an all time high this summer so ❤#anon#ask
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Can we talk about how crazy talented and skilled Chaeyeon is?
She started training/skating in the 5th grade (2017) but at the end of 5th grade her mother made her quit because she didn't see her getting anywhere (due to starting at a later age). She later convinced her mother to allow her to train again.
She didn't compete in juniors when she was age eligible at 13 simply because she had only been skating for two years.
Her first international competition was the Asian Open in 2019 where she placed 1st in the Basic novice category.
In the 2021/22 season she made her ISU JGP debut placing 2nd/5th at her two assignments.
In 2022/23 season she competed on the junior circuit for the second time whilst also doing half a senior season. She got 2nd/3rd on her assignments, with a 2nd place at Finlandia Trophy in between. Then ended the season with 3rd at the JGP final, 4th at 4CC, and 6th at her first worlds.
Her success continues now, at aged 17, in 2024. 1st/3rd in two Challenger events, 2nd/4th on her debut on the senior GP circuit, 2nd at 4CC, and now 3rd at her second worlds!
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Let's talk about Shoma today...
A first defeat in 1,5 years...but Shoma looks in good spirits and his comments are not speaking of disappointments. So if Shoma is happy, I am happy. 🥰
This program is just beautiful. Can't wait to see it without the mistakes in the beginning. Admittedly Shoma looked a bit out of it after the fall and that probably messed up his timing for the 4F. Afterwards it was a captivating performance.
If there is one thing I am disappointed,it's that Shoma yet again has a skate with only two combinations... Shoma really that's not it...😅 And maybe I am a tad disappointed that I am not super thrilled about his costumes...
But on the positive side Shoma did 4T3T in both of his programs, which didn't happen last season at all, so that's a step forward. 👏 (And let's not forget the 105 SP from yesterday)
I think Shoma did both this competition. Proof he is still the world champion and going against him won't be easy with that glaring almost perfect SP but also that he is not unbeatable. Both is exactly were I think his standing is. Shoma is one of the veterans going up against the youngsters and imo he is still the front runner no matter today's 2nd place. Because no matter Shoma's approach this season or if he personally doesn't care as much for the results, if Shoma delivers this free skate to its full capacity, he will be the one to win. Shoma today left a jarring 25 points in TES alone on the table if we add the base value of the jumps he didn't do. And that doesn't even include StSq 2, the negative GOEs for the q on the 4T, the fall and the positive GOEs he can get with his quads. We could add about 10 points more he left on the table with GOEs alone and we haven't even touched the PCS. Add that up and his score would be at 209+ for the FS. And that's not even the 5 quad layout he had last season. So Shoma is still the Gold contender he was before he lost to Adam today. So I am not worried, the only way is up now. 🔥
All in all we should not forget that this is Shoma's latest ever start to a season and that it's rare for him to bring everything on the table at first start (barring that 2017 Lombardia Trophy) he always paced himself from competition to competition to deliver better and better. But ofc that also lead here to a disadvantage bc he didn't know how he would be perceived by judges and someone like Adam had the 5th competition of the season and though he didn't start perfect either, he is at a different phase of the season than Shoma. That's not to excuse Shoma's mistakes bc it's his own decision to start late, but it's still a fact.
The ice was a huge problem from start to finish for the skaters so we cannot emphasis enough what a difficult circumstance this was and how it affected skaters. Again not an excuse just a fact. That makes Adam's free and Shoma's SP even more admirable.
Last but not least let's emphasize one thing: I am not delusional, Shoma may never get his free skate together to top Adam's scores, he may lose again to Adam, maybe Ilia but this is Shoma's 9th senior season even 10th if you count his first senior comp 4CC 2015, he has won everything besides Olympic Gold, that he is still here to skate and compete is admirable! We can be happy about every competition he shows up! Everything that he will win now is an extra! And Shoma is advocating for his juniors, he praised Adam and noticed him before many others even considered him for the top spots! Shoma likes to have competition, Shoma likes to be the challenger, Shoma is happy if the sport continues to have great skaters bc he knows he won't compete forever. There is a new generation of skaters and Shoma is happy to see them thrive.
Ofc I want Shoma to win, ofc I want him to not get defeated like today. But I don't consider Shoma losing the end, not even the end of Shoma's career, because dare you underestimate that he can keep up with them, but I am happy to see there is a continuation with new great skaters.
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going season by season in H/B's story, there were signs that things were off in their training camp situation in 2017-18 - turned the page to find that H/B left for Gadbois in April 2018. so, ok 😅 as soon as 2018 Worlds was over, they looked for the exit. i'm so glad 😭
unfortunately, though, Jean-Luc sustained a concussion during training in August 2018, so the start to their season was delayed til NHK Trophy which they still won after training only 3 weeks. it was tango RD season:
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this is the season where they really start to look like the mature team we know now - the move was good for them - there's an assurance to their performances and a totally new look, especially in the FD, to In This Shirt. it's the more contemporary style that's familiar from subsequent seasons. they have such beautiful glide, it suits them. the energy in the kiss & cry is more positive immediately. their 4CC FD below scored their season's high and is their peak for emotion and flow that year - i find them so moving
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they were 5th at 4CC behind C/B, Weapo, G/P, and H/D. considering how good H/B were, i was surprised they were only 5th in the FD but that was C/B's snake FD and Vincent for G/P. i'd totally forgotten about Hubbell/Donohue's Romeo & Juliet FD (they went through some strange choices, didn't they?)
Kaitlin and Jean-Luc were 9th at Worlds, and Kaitlin shows her disappointment in the FD score on her face, but this performance wasn't quite as cohesive as 4CC. but they were 4th at their 2nd GP and made the Grand Prix Final for the first time. and won bronze, their first medal, at US Nationals. most of all, though, they look happier with their team and look so beautiful on the ice
#Youtube#and oof i hadn't watched weapo in a long time#they signal big emotion but i don't feel a thing
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rubicon program references
due to the slow death of twitter i'm collecting my program links here. (almost) none of the rubicon skates are meant to be identical to real life programs, but some of the inspiration is pretty one-to-one… and some is a little less direct.
if you find yourself region blocked, try a free vpn - i recommend the veepn browser extension (firefox | chrome) or proton.
if you only have so much time, i've starred the most important ones. if you want more… i have so many more.
chapter one
**tessa virtue/scott moir - mahler no. 5 (olympics 2010)
chapter two
tessa virtue/scott moir - carmen (worlds 2013)
kaitlyn weaver/andrew poje - the way you make me feel (canadian nationals 2017) | bonus worlds finish
chapter three
nadia bashynska/peter beaumont - romeo & juliet (gp espoo 2023)
maia shibutani/alex shibutani - smile (4cc 2011)
**michelle kwan - tosca (us nationals 2004) | music
chapter four
**meryl davis/charlie white - scheherazade (olympics 2014)
shizuka arakawa - turandot (olympics 2006)
**alexei yagudin - winter (olympics 2002)
chapter five
daisuke takahashi - blues for klook (worlds 2013)
mirai nagasu - pirates of the caribbean (olympics 2010)
chapter six
miki ando - the mission (4cc 2011)
meryl davis/charlie white - my fair lady (olympics 2014)
chapter seven
katarina witt - where have all the flowers gone (olympics 1994)
chapter eight
mao asada - bells of moscow (olympics 2010)
shoma uno - dancing on my own (internationaux de france 2019)
chapter nine & ten
mao asada - rachmaninov no. 2 (olympics 2014)
kazuki tomono - one more time (rostelecom cup 2018 gala)
tessa virtue/scott moir - what's love got to do with it (niagara ice show 2016)
yuna kim - les misérables (all that skate 2013)
ensemble - uptown funk (ice fantasia 2019)
chapter eleven
madison chock/evan bates - touch/contact (olympics 2022 team event)
chapter twelve
yuzuru hanyu - romeo and juliet (worlds 2012)
chapter thirteen
tatsuki machida - east of eden (worlds 2014)
johnny weir - the swan (olympics 2006)
kaitlin hawayek/jean-luc baker - feeling good (us nationals 2017)
tessa virtue/scott moir - prince medley (worlds 2017)
chapter fourteen
**jeremy abbott - lilies of the valley (olympics 2014)
nathan chen - le corsaire (us nationals 2017)
chapter fifteen
yuzuru hanyu - heaven and earth (olympics 2022)
denis ten - the artist (worlds 2013)
chapter sixteen & seventeen
ashley wagner - moulin rouge (us nationals 2015)
chapter eighteen
kaori sakamoto - elastic heart (worlds 2023)
shoma uno - dancing on my own (japan nationals 2019)
**adam rippon - arrival of the birds (olympics 2018)
chapter nineteen
michelle kwan - fields of gold (olympics 2002)
**tessa virtue/scott moir - moulin rouge (olympics 2018)
epilogue
tessa virtue/scott moir - long time running (olympics 2018 gala)
bonus
the rippon lutz (quad edition)
stationary lift BASE?
f/f ice dance feat. madison hubbell and gabrielle papadakis
best of kpop in figure skating
fs dynamics 101
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Do you think we'll ever know why Yuzu was consistently underscored in the last few years of competing? Like, I can't fathom why they would do that - he's so well loved, so surely scoring him accurately would just draw more people toward the sport to see him? Honestly I believe that if he hadn't attempted the 4A at the Olympics that he could have won if he was scored fairly. Having a 3x Olympic Gold medalist would have made such a buzz in the news which would be good publicity, no? So... idk. I'm confused by the whole thing and my heart goes out to Yuzu for putting up with so much for so long.
Hi, anon! Oh, this is such a long story. I'll try to keep it as short as possible and make it comprehensible.
Officially, there most likely will never be an explanation given, it's just not how the sports' world works. There is no accountability since the "behind the scenes" is mostly a power play between several figure skating federations (USA, Russia, JSF - but that's a whole other story), lots of politicking going on.
However, the fans and those who know figure skating have become aware of Yuzu being underscored over the years. There were a hell lot of discussions about that too, but they literally led nowhere - there were a lot of fights and Fanyus accused of being irrational and delusional.
The narrative goes something like this:
Yuzu came into the senior competitions as a very successful junior and he actively improved his technical as well as his presentation components - he was constantly on the rise winning a world medal in his 2nd year as senior, winning everything there was to win in the 2013-2014 season - GPF, Worlds, OLYMPIC GOLD, except 4CC (I don't think he participated in 2014), achieving incredible scores at 2015 NHK Trophy and 2015 Barcelona, winning a second world title in 2017, winning a second OLYMPIC GOLD in 2018... and finally winning 4CC in 2020.
There is a huge discrepancy in scores that occurred after 2015 GPF. Yuzu was constantly improving, yet his scores don't reflect that at all - they look like he remained through his entire amateur career at the same level as he was in 2015 or that he became worse - which is a blatant lie.
Frankly, when he broke consecutive records in 2015, ISU and the feds became aware that he was untouchable. There were skaters younger than Yuzu who were bringing quads to the game, skaters like Jin Boyang, Shoma Uno and Nathan Chen. But their skating skills could NEVER get close to Yuzu's, and Yuzu was also bringing new jumps into his arsenal - 4Lo, 4Lz. USA having lots of power, started pushing Chen as the quad king and Chen was supposed to be Yuzu's rival, narrative woven like this until Yuzu turned pro.
Anyway, Chen's scores were rising although there was barely any visible improving seen in his skating, while Yuzu, obviously constantly improving, if he had the smallest mistake he was penalized. The penalizations became greater when the scoring system changed from +/-3 GOE to +/-5 GOE because there could be greater manipulation of scores.
If Yuzu was getting +3 GOE for a 3A prior to 2018/2019, he was supposed to get +5 GOE for the same jump starting with 2018/2019, but that barely happened. The average GOE for Yuzu's 3A on the international stage stayed around +3. So, on paper, Yuzu seemed to be getting worse. Not to mention the PCS... which Yuzu openly talked about after turning pro, he was no longer awarded almost perfect PCS although he kept improving.
About Beijing 2022, Yuzu was never meant to win the gold as set by the ISU. Had he went clean, his Rondo probably would've been around the same as his last WR (lower than 112 points) because of literal judging corruption, and Chen would've still had impossible inflation and set a WR.
I won't go deeper into Beijing, it was Yuzu's choice to continue skating while remaining true to himself, it was his choice to challenge the 4A, it was his choice to do everything as it went. And I respect that because there's nothing more worthy of admiration than a person who remains true to himself while undergoing abuse (because, in the end, that's what it was). He came out on the other side stronger and better than any other skater and his pro career already shows it.
ISU seems to not care that figure skating is dying, they are not doing anything to improve the circumstances in which this sport is "developing". They lowered the PC components from 5 to 3, they want to let Russia back in the game, they push quads in juniors, they continue white-washing the whole sport (look at the countries of the skaters who were given the ISU awards).
In a nutshell, Yuzu's competitive career was hell, he had numerous injuries that threated his skating life, he continued, he was getting underscored, he continued. He did try to play ISU's "jumping competition" game for a while - Aoi Honoo III reveals that - with Origin. He didn't like that and his scores didn't improve even while playing by ISU's rules. He went back to the programs that won him 2015 NHK, 2015 GPF and 2018 Olympics gold... he was awarded just a tiny bit more than his previous SP world record. So, he continued skating in the hopes of landing that 4A. He challenged it until the end of his amateur career. He showed the best he could at Beijing... but it's over and done with now. Now he continues challenging that jump, but for himself, because it's his DREAM.
Now, we focus on Yuzu's pro career - he continues changing what figure skating means. If Prologue wasn't enough to show that he is so much BETTER than when he competed, GIFT and NS will definitely cement that in. Yuzu continues pursuing his ideal figure skating, hard tech content, beautiful skating skills, all possible because of hard work and training.
FORGOT TO SAY:
ISU did use Yuzu, they used him until July 19th 2022. While we were anxiously waiting for the 2022-2023 GP assignments, ISU put the tickets on sale for all the GP stages minus GPF. There were people who went in blindly to buy tickets because Yuzu's photo was on several ticket sites (for example, the Finland GP had Yuzu on their site). People were going to buy GPF tickets, too without any concrete assignments.
Yuzu announced him turning pro in July, the Yuzu fans who had bought tickets to see Yuzu found a way to sell them or ended up not going to the GPs. ISU knew Yuzu brought in the crowds, they knew he was the favourite. They did not promote his skating, they promoted him PARTICIPATING in competitions.
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The bromance between two athletes which moved and encouraged me for several years. I made a list by time for them. (not finished yet)
2010
2010-12-08 First time in same match
2011
2011-09-23 Second time in same match
2011-11-26 First podium of yuzuvier
2011-11-28 Side by side group photo
2011-12-10 Javier's solid 4T and 4S
2012
2012-03-27 Skate together in sunny rink
2012-04-25 Yuzuru change coach
2012-05-07 Yuzuru went to TCC
2012-07-28 Yuzuru want steal jump
2012-08-07 Javier help with smile
2012-08-20 Black-top costume of PW
2012-10-01 How to steal jump
2012-10-05 Epic Finlandia trophy
2012-10-06 Members brochure of TCC
2012-11-22 Yuzuru want to see Javier
2012-11-25 Javier clap for Yuzuru
2012-11-30 Watching each other
2012-12-06 Japanese team pants
2013
2013-01-26 Yuzuru is strong & beautiful
2013-01-27 Same color medal of 4CC
2013-02-10 Javier support Yuzuru's 4S
2013-03-17 Small medal thief
2013-05-23 Yuzuru is part of my life
2013-07-06 Don't leave Javier in Canada
2013-07-27 Yuzuru limit, Javier allowed
2013-11-16 Notre Dame de Paris
2014
2014-02-07 Yuzuru seeking Javier
2014-03-24 Yuzuru ducking for Javier
2014-03-28 Skating after Yuzuru
2014-04-06 Pooh is gone, best pic
2014-06-13 Javier's sight
2014-06-22 Yuzuru's 4Lo celebration
2014-07-05 Sore loser or stubborn
2014-11-27 Good luck, I'll support you
2014-12-07 Happy birthday to Yuzuru
2014-12-12 Yuzuru speak in Spainish
2014-12-14 Three words describe Javi
2015
2015-03-19 Yuzuru missed us
2015-03-24 We are everything
2015-03-27 Photos in Worlds 2015
2015-03-28 Always my champion
2015-03-28 Good and bad points
2015-03-28 He was happy for me
2015-03-29 Javier like a big brother
2015-04-02 Javier fly over to help
2015-04-19 Compare upper arm
2015-05-28 Yuzuru reach Javier's hand
2015-06-01 Javier comfort me
2015-10-21 Watching Javier help me
2015-11-28 Yuzuru copy goat noise
2015-12-10 You can do it
2016
2016-03-30 Tracy comment
2016-04-01 My winner
2016-04-02 Gesture about to kiss
2016-04-07 Brian comment
2016-04-11 When look up at
2016-04-27 Yuzuru sniff pooh
2016-05-14 As a rival even more
2016-06-29 Support, motivate, learn
2016-12-07 Javier sing Happy Bday
2016-12-11 Gala
2017
2017-02-17 I owe what I won, to him
2017-04-01 I told you last year
2017-04-02 Gala, Vamos and meme
2017-04-23 Japanese team table
2017-05-25 Cats' eyes choreography
2017-09-28 Yuzuru waiting for Javier
2018
2018-02-17 OG 2018 green room
2018-02-17 I can't do it without you
2018-02-18 Some coincide of Seimei
2018-02-18 Friends when leave the rink
2018-02-20 There are some conflicts
2018-02-28 Finally Spanish media
2018-03-01 I think it's admirable
2018-03-03 Yuzuru cried the most
2018-03-30 Wonderful experience
2018-04-15 During CiONTU
2018-04-17 Some tough moment
2018-05-28 Yuzuru find Javier
2018-06-18 Prohibition order
2018-07-25 He wanted to be the first
2018-09-05 Yuzuru is from comic
2018-09-06 The back 3-turn into 4S
2018-12-12 I just miss Javier
2018-12-13 150th between Japan&Spain
2019
2019-01-06 Reunited in TCC
2019-01-22 Thanks for your allow
2019-01-27 That teach you a lot
2019-01-23 Can I take a day off too
2019-01-24 When they fall to bottom
2019-01-29 Another story
2019-02-01 Skating like breathing air
2019-03-24 Reunited in banquet
2019-05-26 I wish go on forever
2019-06-15 Sit in one chair
2019-06-18 Yuzuru's eye power
2019-09-12 Reunite and hug, smiling
2019-10-31 Spain-Japan fundation
2019-11-28 I will put him in the show
2019-12-07 I wish with Javi, but
2019-12-12 Last hug before COVID
2020
2020-02-09 Finally do it
2020-04-04 Shibsibs photo
2020-05-14 Sudden tickling happening
2020-10-16 Looking forward to see you
2020-10-23 Friendship overcome rivalry
2020-10-29 Share training with rival
2020-12-26 Something super special
2021
2021-01-29 Warrior and absolute hero
2021-03-26 Yuzu has no rival this time
2021-03-28 Mind of fighter and winner
2021-11-30 Javier like Yuzuru's new CM
2022
2022-02-01 Olympics channel
2022-02-03 Bond stronger than family
2022-02-11 Give you a hug first
2022-05-27 Yuzuru: I always miss you
2022-06-02 Dialogue in pamphlets
2022-06-11 Piggyback
2022-06-18 FaOI 2022 closed rehearsal
2022-06-26 I don't want to leave Javi
2022-07-21 Yuzuru from another world
2022-07-23 Never a rival so kind
2022-12-01 Javier skate music of origin
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2023-02-27 I always practice alone
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I'm sorry for bringing my other boys into it, but yuzuru hanyu as dream? it's literally perfect. the choreography, the creativity, the art, the desire to reach for the stars and change the scene and achieve something no one else did before, being covered in plushies by the end of every performance. all while being injured over and over again and stalked and doxxed and being held to the standards of perfection and putting family members at risk because of rabid audience, both admirers and haters. and javier fernandez as george...
YES my poor boys, but also, just in term of skating abilities, i was just watching his 2020 4cc sp (chopins ballad) and THE STEP SEQUENCE like it's so original and has so much confidence on himself like yeaah that'd be dream.
In terms of music also, i feel like Dream would edge the classical to pop line leaning more in current music than Yuzuru ever did. On jumps uhmm, I honestly don't think Salchows would be dream's thing. Maybe axels yeah because of the whole fanfare around them, but i think he'd be way better at pick than edge jumps.
On George as Javier ou I guess you're coming here from the skating rpf side?? I was never in the fandom so yeah idk, but in terms of skating i feel like that would not be george AT ALL. I think actually that (please only from a skating perspective no shipping) Sapnap would do an awesome Malagueña (2017 sp worlds) or Nathan Chen's 2020 sp
#eras.ask#sorry for ranting#can you tell i was fixated on this#pleas e come back anon i want to talk#fs.dnf
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Ice Dance Falls, Fails and Flubs
Part 1
1. “Stationary Lift BASE?! “😱🫠
Classic HD fuck up 1.0
By now y’all know my distain for HD, not that I have any love lost for Bock either.. or WeaPo.. or gilorier.. so basically this is me missing VM at 4CC and HOLLERING at the cocky ness HD display for a rushed, messy, careless program with a travelling stationary lift guys come on what are you doing sitting there pep-rallying for +5’s.. you look like idiots. Btw. who tf is this lady on the right ↗️??
Also feat. Evan ‘employee of the month at Taco Bell’ Bates
2. Belbin/Agosto blow it in the Compulsory Dance
They came to these world champs in 2008 expected to win, with the Russians D/S out with injury. But down Tanith goes on a twizzle in the CD.. the point of CD’s is that you are in hold basically the whole time therefore it’s extremely unlikely to fall bc your partner holds you. This put them 6th after the CD, 5th in the OD, rising to 4th after the FD.. they would never win a worlds or Olympics despite being an incredible team* (for the time.. )
3. FP/M- Torino addition
Maybe the funniest thing ever in Ice dance. This happened after at least 3 teams had already had serious falls (including Marie and Patch which I won’t be talking about bc of the seriousness of it- that was not funny) this on the other hand is HILARIOUS. Firstly: the costumes. WHAT? WHY? Maritzio looking like a pimp. Even before the fall this performance reminds me of your cringe aunt and uncle getting up to dance at a wedding. They had not competed since SLC 2002.. we won’t discuss that bc How and WHY- what sport was ID in 2002 where this team wins a medal over Bourne & Kraatz?????
Then.. the fall.. yes BESP uncles.. it was the too much outside edge that did it, that’s where the problems started, never mind mags’ shithouse skating skills.
My favourite part is when she just *reverse Homer Simpson’s out of a hedge* towards him and he does that *nod* as if to say “hey that was pretty damn good” seriously, what a flop, even in the K&c it continues to be hilarious him just man spreading looking at the scores while she looks like she’s gonna kill herself (and him), he’s looking as if ‘yeah that’s not bad’ well you wouldn’t know bro there’s been a new system introduced since you seemingly last stepped on an ice rink.
Just omg.. iconic. all I can think about is god forbid this ever happened to vm and the polar opposite their reaction would be (except S never dropped T and S actually had skating skills)
4. The piece of shit that is Didier Gailhauget
(Thankyou to @iluvausten for finding this for me)
I don’t need to translate this right y’all get it..
This tweet and subsequent result is the reason the acronym LMFAO was invented. Guess the Russian mob didn’t feel like helping out on this one sorry boo 🥲
(And/Or the bby angels were just too damn good)
5. Bourne/Kraatz 2002
This is kinda a sad one..
But what I love is the contrast between B/K reaction and FP/M..
No blame, no hate, no making a scene.
They were in 4th place going into the FD with a good chance of capturing bronze, but fell in the last 5 seconds.
It was so unfortunate but you know what: you skate to MJ you should expect karma..
They finished 4th- same as they had in 1998- a fixed event
6. Classic HD fuck up 2.0, Worlds 2017
I don’t want to talk about this to point where I’m gonna get hate for it and I also don’t want to be that person who says ‘I don’t talk bout what I don’t know’ and then talk about what I don’t know but since this post has a bit of a ‘blunt and direct humour about it’, why do I get the feeling that the whole ‘we don’t have faith in ourselves’ thing was a bit of an act with these two and training with the goats gave them this false sense that they were better than they were and took that cocky confidence too far to the point where (he especially) couldn’t stay on his damn feet?? The whole ‘Gabrois podium sweep’ thing they were going for at these worlds and olys gives me side eye..
Ok. That’s part 1, part 2 coming soon
Reminder this is all in good humour, every team that competes at this level is highly skilled in some respect and then others are just a$$holes🥰
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So I was watching some old Canadian nationals and world championships videos from 2015-2018 quad during the holidays and it was the first time I noticed how weaver poje became really successful in 2014/15 but then after VM came back they were dropped like stones so fast that I can only imagine how much they resented VM for it. How was it back then? Was there resentment from w/p and their fans toward VM?
LOL feels like everyone is feeling nostalgic post holidays.
Basically, it was all pretty wild. WeaPo had a surprising success in 2014/15 winning both their GPs and GPF over P/C, then winning 4CC and looking so strong for worlds only to drop to 3rd. P/C's questionable rise aside, WeaPo did what WeaPo always do and lost a lot of points over levels and while looking at the protocols shows they had no chance of beating P/C (their win was all but predetermined at that point), they still lost to C/B over levels. Then during 2015/16 they once again won both their GPs and GPF (in the absence of P/C who were out because of a concussion) but then completely fucked up at 4CC again over lost levels and bad twizzles (which will become a recurrent habit for them all through the quad) getting level 1 lift, level 2 twizzles and level 2 spin, it was a miracle they even got 3rd tbh. Coincidently or not, 4CC dance event finished on 2/19/2016 which is exactly one day before Tessa and Scott announced their comeback which WeaPo knew was going to happen. Then at 2016 Worlds they dropped hard finishing 5th again due to lost levels and bad twizzles.
Those results basically halted any momentum they had and really set them back. Add to that Tessa and Scott's comeback and WeaPo choosing bad material and changing at least one program 3 years straight and also switching the (according to rumors) the only coach willing to take them - and they really had no chance to rise after that.
As for how they took it - not great, they gave an interview that sounded really bitter and unkind at first claiming they were blindsided which was a joke considering basically everyone and their mothers suspected TS are coming back since like at least November 2015, and TS also mentioning that they told them before it was announced. Then they also gave some kind of how the comeback is not related to them and they will always be Kaitlyn and Andrew or something of that sort which even made the reporter be kind of mean to them tbh... They seemed friendly during the second year of TS comeback but it was always clear there was resentment there at least to some degree.
As for how their fans took it - not great either LOL. They were frustrated and kept saying TS had their time and now it's WeaPo's turn and they are ruining it for them. It was all very much the opposite of what sport is about. One anecdote that really stayed with me is a TS fan who was on tumblr and really loved them and also became a WeaPo fan and for a while even after TS announced their comeback she was ok with it all, but then she decided it will be great to lie that she saw TS kiss during Boston Worlds (not a single soul bought that) and then when WeaPo had a really bad season in 2016/17 (and after in 2017/18 too) she decided that it was TS fault and completely turned on them. Fun times LOL. Long story short, most WeaPo fans resented TS too and were mostly bitter about their success in the comeback.
#god this was a trip down memory lane#also forgot to mention that WeaPo fans were notorious for crying WUZROBBED when in reality WeaPo just kept fucking up#they will be like 2nd in PCS and 6th in TES because their BV was crap or they messed up the twizzles#but their fans couldn't accept that
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who does the bribing? is it feds? rich parents? is there anyone whose hands are clean, or is everyone with success a little dirty to play the game?
Feds and coaches mostly, parents can get in on the game, but generally less so. Coaches will essentially hype their skater(s) to judges, judges also generally will be extra generous to the country they represent. One of the things that makes IAM so prolific is all the different teams they have, that represent many many countries, its definitely helps. Like, you can look at a judging protocol and easily guess which one is Sharon Rogers, a less than subtle US judge.
These are from 2017 4CC, comparing Tessa and Scott and the Shibs, can you guess which she is?
It’s often very little to do with the skaters, and all to do with the coaches and feds.
#konner talks skating#only time it is has to do with skaters is when judges/coaches/feds decide a skater isn’t putting the work in and drop them#like what happened to ashley wagner in 2017/2018#it was a choice putting her 4th#they could have helped her#and they didn’t#sometiems parents get right in on it#the shibs parents are WILD and very rich#i think they bought the rink marina was training them at?#and wanted marina to be their only top team#that’s what i’m remembering but i could be wrong
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Ok but. Statistically Mai mihara has been the top figure skater of japan for 7 years straight??? As in she has never placed lower than 4th in Grand Prix. Always top 3 on 4CC. BUT ONLY BEEN TO WORLD CHAMPIONSIP ONE (1) OTHER TIME (she finished 5th, the highest place for japan at 2017 and very clutch the reason why japan has 2 spot for 2018 olympic). Put some respect on her name!
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tessavirtue17: Prepare for sensory overload 💭
This journal entry was from 2017 in anticipation of the pre-Olympic test event in PyeongChang, Korea. Can’t help but think of how the 2022 Olympic athletes have been preparing … and the cumulative effect of everything taking shape as they make their way to Beijing. Seeing the rings will always be magical.
Ps so many references to @mikaelkingsbury scattered throughout my notebooks 👑
#fromthearchive #trainingdiary #lifeofanathlete #olympics
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Was Shoma landing on the podium, much less the silver, for the 2018 Olys a surprise to people?
Hm...to some it may have been a surprise due to Shoma being often kept off radar in predictions BUT tbh anyone who followed skating in the 2017-2018 season or who understood the scoring could clearly see that Shoma was one of the skaters with a good chance at getting on the Olympic podium.
Just like it is somehow always the case with Shoma during his career except for last season, he was overlooked in favor of others. His chances have been there, he had among the highest BV, he had the 2nd highest personal total score among all competitors behind Yuzu, he had good PCS and his GP season was not perfect but solid. So he had really good chances. However the main focus by Japanese media and also internationally was on Yuzu and what he was capable off, so as Shoma was trailing in Yuzu's shadow Shoma was cast aside from predictions. Then there was also the hype around Nathan bc he could pull off more quads than anyone else and it was written as if one could beat Yuzu, it was Nathan not Shoma or Javi. (We all know how that pressure on Nathan went for him, but this was the situation before the Olympics)
Imo the prediction for 2018 Olympic podium were as followed:
The main contenders for the podium in 2018 were Yuzu, Javi, Shoma and Nathan, maybe Mikhail Kolyada and Boyang Jin could also have been counted into the medal contender section at that time. Those 6 had a chance and I think many expected Gold for Nathan, a medal for Yuzu and a medal for Shoma OR Javi.
Yuzu was the big favorite coming into the season, but due to his injury at 2017 NHK his condition for the Olympics wasn't clear and his win in the end is still a some sort of miracle. In the GP season Javi had quite a disaster at Cup of China and didn't make the GPF and struggled throughout the season, so it wasn't clear what he could pull off but at that point he still had the 2nd highest personal best scores for the SP and FS. Shoma and Nathan on the other hand both made the GPF. Shoma and Nathan had somewhat same chances with Shoma having the edge on PCS and Nathan on BV. (yes at that point Shoma constantly outscored Nathan's PCS!) Shoma lost the GPF with the infamous 1,0 deduction that costed him the Gold by 0,5 points against Nathan. At 4CC Shoma lost the Gold to Boyang Jin and Nathan smashed US Nationals with freaking overscored high scores.
(I'd say Boyang and Mikhail had only outsider chances for the podium bc Boyang had the technical content but a lot less PCS than the rest and Mikhail had the PCS but lower technical content and he was a lot less consistent than the others. I think his unexpected Cup of China win over Javi who placed only 6th made ppl think a medal would be possible for Mikhail.)
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