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That gasoline can reminds me of the radiation symbol. And this is when they interrogate Will, who at this point is fully possessed by the Mind Flayer.

In S1 they just tell Joyce and Hopper that they think the air is toxic in the UD, but in S2 they say that there might be radioactivity. And they say that after the Mind Flayer storm, that we also see on the lab screens. They recorded it, it wasn't just in Will's vision, imo.

Maybe that's when the Mind Flayer entered the UD.

#will byers #the mind flayer #sam owens #I'm thinking about the lyrics in 3x01 #You open up a door #why is Will in the frame?#did he open a door-gate #when?#or maybe HE is the door #his mind #and that's why the Mind Flayer wants him alive and can only possess him in S2 #it would be smarter #to possess as many people as possible #but for some reason it doesn't #and for some reason when he possesses Will's mind he also appears in our world #yeah #maybe bc he used Will's connection to the UD #he used him as a door to invade our world #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 6 days

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EDIT: Found another connection between S2 and S4

Ghosts. El, Will, Max and Henry

Bob: 'Was that you I heard milling around last night, or was that a ghost?' Will: 'Yeah. Me, probably.'

On the bulletin board: Join us, three ghosts, Haunted hayride, and a girl with red hair. Max, that we've just seen in Billy's car. Imo, one of the first Will and Max parallels. Another one is the two Venkmans, Mike and Lucas

In this BTS photo of S4, it seems that they also filmed a scene of young Henry dressed up as a ghost. I hope we'll see it in S5

Lucas says that Max is like a ghost (also, that eye!)

Pac-Man behind Will. The player in the maze must avoid four ghosts

The video game Asteroids, which was released in 1979, the year of the massacre, (it's also connected to birthdaygate -I talk about it here) We see it again in the roller rink, where there's also a disco ball, like the ones in the Arcade and the snow ball- Max's happy memory

Also here (that Change in the frame...)

And we see two Asteroids games in his vision

Also, the boy with a bowl cut behind Will that imo stands for Will. Will's line, 'Is that you?' could mean that. When the vision starts tho, bowl cut boy is gone, and we see a boy with a buzzed cut. Like a lab kid

#will byers #el hopper #max mayfield #henry creel #st parallels #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 9 days

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#byler #stranger things #willel twins #twelvegate #if you haven’t done it already #read the original pilot for st #it is… not good lmaoo #but it may open your eyes to a few things #montauk ≠ byler/willel #stranger things = byler/willel #tommy boy #iykyk

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twelvegate-blog · 11 days

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The prisoners in Russia and in the lab

As you perform your final act

The bald americans

But also Joyce, the one who opens and closes doors in S3 and S4

Maybe because of this

#el hopper #henry creel #joyce byers #jim hopper #terry ives #st parallels #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 27 days

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You didn't really think we were working out of a shed, did you?

Upside-down horseshoes and rainbows

Light bulb in the shed, light bulb in El's closet

Remember? No, I don't think they remember

He's been chasing after the wrong kid

Will! Hopper! Or maybe, Will Hopper?

Breath, Will, come on!

She wasn't breathing. Remember to breath

Hopper says that he saw Sarah, and the next morning Joyce sees Will

Thanks for joining us, and Sarah's drawing. Right after Will's vanishing

Memories that are not your memories

Time trickery and experiments on kidnapped kids, whose parents' brains MKUltra has turned to mush

But Will says that he and El will fix it together. Hopper's cabin, or maybe their family

#will byers #el hopper #willel #jim hopper #joyce hopper #st parallels #st theory #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 1 month

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About Will

Last year the Duffers said that in S5 Will takes center stage again, and now they're even telling us how the season starts, with the flashback of Will in the UD. That's why I think the reveals about him should be huge, like the ones about Henry and El in S4.

This makes me happy. Will and his story are my favorite thing, and I have so many questions.

Was Will really just in the wrong place at the wrong time, a random victim who later became the brother of Vecna's actual target, Eleven?

Maybe. But I'll be honest, I think this would be disappointing. Most of the audience already believes that. All these years, all the mystery surrounding Will, and in the end it was just to hide Vecna, who was introduced in S4, so when we see S5 it's not even a plot twist anymore? Hm.

There could be an interesting parallel with Henry winding up in Dimension X tho. Wrong place at the wrong time. But Henry developed powers. What about Will, who ended up in the UD? Also, if he was just in the wrong place, why did they make his abduction so different from all the other attacks? It's just because it was the first one and they wanted it to be cool? Again, disappointing, imo. And if the reason was just "make the scene cool", I don't know why in other seasons they kept making parallels between the Demogorgon opening the Byers' door, something it only does in 1x01, and El opening a LOT of doors with telekinesis.

I think it's more likely that Will's flashbacks in S5 will be like El's flashbacks in S4. They made us believe that Eleven killed all the other numbers, only to reveal later that it's not what really happened. I expect something like that for Will too. Maybe at first, everything seems to confirm that he was just a random victim, and then we find out that it's not true. Or he was a random victim, but then, like Henry, he developed psychic abilities.

Speaking of that

Does Will have powers or not?

I am a Will-has-powers truther, this is not a mystery lol. But does it make sense in the story? (some thoughts here) Does he have powers like Harry Potter, or the Turtle (here), or Bastian, or he's like Peter Bishop, Marty McFly and Frodo Baggins? Noah said that Will's superpower is his heart, but you know, you can have that and also powers. Plus, in S4 they connect the concept of time travel to emotions, so if there's a timeloop or something like that, and Will's name is on the grandfather clock...

Maybe his abilities are different from anything we've seen. Maybe something more connected to the UD. I'm just saying, why making him a wizard/cleric, if he's just a normal kid?

For example, they never really explained why he's still so connected to Vecna and, I suspect, the UD (because he is also like Radagast, and the kid in Poltergeist, who gets kidnapped because of her powers) Yes, Max seems to have answered that question: when Vecna makes a psychic connection, you are marked. In fact, at some point she even says that she can still feel him. But when she's in his mind lair, she doesn't feel his thoughts. She says that he was surprised and didn't want her there... but he actually says that. Also, they would really answer the questions about the big mystery of Will's connection to Vecna like that, when he's not even the focus of the scene?

That's why I think the answer is more complex for him. Max can't feel Vecna's thoughts or feelings, Will can, like Harry can feel Voldemort. Could the reason be that he was connected to the hive mind? We can't be sure, he's the only one who survived a possession. There are no particles left in his body (as far as we know) or he would've died in S2. So, why is the connection still there and so strong, that the moment he's back in Hawkins, he can feel that Vecna is hurting and wants to destroy everything?

Why in S2 Will knows that the evil wants to kill everyone but him? And why would Vecna/Mind Flayer want to kill everyone but a random kid with no powers, whose only ability was to hide from a monster for a week? Henry Creel considered all the lab kids, people with powers, inferior to himself and Eleven, but for some reason he wanted a sensitive child who's just good at hiding? It doesn't make sense to me.

In the game, they seem to give us the answer. Well, they don't explain if Will was just in the wrong place at the wrong time on Nov 6, but they say that the reason he is the key and Vecna wants him, is that he wants to use him to find Eleven.

Ok

If this is true... Henry/Vecna needed Eleven to open a door, so he makes her make a psychic contact with a Demogorgon. When the gate opens, he lets the creature kidnap/kill random people. Then realizes that he can find Eleven, if he uses the only victim he is letting hide in the UD because, reasons. But when she finally is in the void with Will, instead of killing her, he interrupts the contact with Will, goes to Castle Byers, takes him to the library, and impregnates him with a little Demogorgon. And then? What would've happened if Joyce hadn't found Will? We still don't know if the tendril was killing him or giving him oxigen, like the facehugger does in Alien (the parallel with Sarah could be a hint tho), because we don't know what happened to Barb. If she died in the pool and then was taken to the library, or if it's the tendril that killed her.

If Will was actually dying, then the answer in the game doesn't make sense. If Vecna just wants to use him to find and kill Eleven, he wouldn't have tried to kill him. Unless that whole process was supposed to turn Will into Zombie Boy, a creature of the UD, similar to Vecna, who could find Eleven. That's a bit complicated, tho.

Not to mention the whole possession in S2. Again, let's say that Vecna didn't want to kill Will in the library, but just turn him into a monster. He failed. So, when Will is home, he makes him have visions, then possesses him, with the intent of killing everyone but him. Because he wants him to find and spy Eleven. But in the 1959 flashback, in TFS, and in the game, we see that Henry can read any mind. So, sorry but why does he need Will, specifically, to find Eleven?

Also, if the particles can just possess you in a vision and then appear in our world, why didn't they possess more people? Easier to find El, and even if you lose Will, you still have the others. It's what the Mind Flayer does in S3. The big difference? In S3 the particles are already in our world.

So I wonder if Will is the only one Vecna/Mind Flayer can possess like that, because they were already connected before the possession

Ok, in S3, the Mind Flayer takes a guy named William because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And then he uses him to build a monster that finds Eleven and takes her powers. So, maybe the 'wrong place, wrong time' is true, but the rest... is interesting. Jonathan says that they built Castle Byers the way Will drew it, and MindFlayer!Billy tells Billy to build what he sees. Also interesting that there are two Billies. It reminds me of If I go there will be trouble, and if I stay it will be double (different timelines, twin imagery, Henry and Edward, Richard and Martin. And Will and Eleven?)

So, my theory is that Will and El are more connected than it seems, and that's why Vecna needs Will. And maybe he is also using him to "build" his army, and make the UD spread? I don't know.

But for all these reasons, I think it would make more sense if Will wasn't just a random victim, or at least he's developed some ability.

Will has parallels with Cerebro (here) and Nancy says that the lights came to life when he was in the UD, a parallel to what Steve says in S3, (Let there be light) after Will senses the Mind Flayer for the first time at the mall. When he's watching a zombie movie. There's also that beautiful theory (I don't remember who posted it, sorry) about Will being connected to the light particles and using them to destroy the black particles of the Mind Flayer.

Light particles that look like fairy dust -> Will being called fairy. Lights that come to life -> a battery

I think I've found some big hint that this theory might be correct. Anyway, it seems that Will is connected to the very existence of the UD. Not saying he created it, but if lights came to life when he was there, maybe if they interrupt the connection, that place, whatever it is, will cease to exist.

#st s5 spoilers #st s5 #will byers #will has powers #el hopper #henry creel #the first shadow spoilers #st: tfs #st s5 theory #st vecna #st analysis #st parallels #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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Willel twin core

#willel twins #will byers #el hopper #stranger things #😊

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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Not only is Terry's story Joyce's story here, word by word

but the other article, Hawkins Lab Blocks Inquiry, wasn't written in 1983. Hopper reads it in 1x03

Same article (and the paragraphs about Brenner repeat, like in the article about MK Ultra Hopper shows Powell)

My theory: I don't think this is a hint at a timeline in which Will was kidnapped by Brenner in 1983, but a hint at what happened to Will and his family in the past (1976?) during the investigation into the hidden organization. That's why Terry's story is Joyce's story. I think this is about the past they have forgotten

As for Terry, I do believe she has/had a daugher, but it isn't El. I think it was Sarah, or even Kali.

#will byers #el hopper #willel #twelvegate #joyce byers #st theory #st parallels #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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I think I've found more evidence that this strange line in an article about a basketball game is about El feeling abandoned by her parents when she was a child (because they forgot her, and she became a lab kid)

...fell to his knees and began to cry as though he was a child abandoned by his parents

... I got down on my knees, got down on my knees

#willel twins #willel twins evidence #el hopper #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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So i heard requests are open and well i have a weird one

Miwi au with s1 mike and will but will switches places with el (he’s like 012 or something)

Thats the basic idea like yk it could be them holding hands or whatever you’d like

Ok thnx if you find time for this 👉👈

Didn’t expect to post two requests in one day but I just had too much fun with this one!

Will/Twelve using his powers (creation powers) to impress the cute boy who helped give him shelter. Obviously it worked!

(I feel like a lot of people will assume this is Mlvn at first glance. I gotta be honest... drawing Will without his hair was tough!)

Previous requests

#yall I love this so much #- Kayla

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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*chanting* TWELVE. GATE. TWELVE. GATE. TWELVE. GATE.

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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History repeats and repeats

#parallels?#the fact that - hey- will is there both times?#yeah.#twelvegate #el hopper #el byers #jane hopper #will byers #Willel

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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These parallels are important

And I have many thoughts about this one, too

Hmmm

#will byers #el hopper #willel twins #willel #terry ives #st parallels #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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I was thinking. There are many mentions of dogs in the show, mostly connected to Will and El, plus the whole mystery of Will's dog disappearing in S2 (Chester also looks like Doc's dog in Back to the Future, so possible hint at time trickery/different timelines)

In 4x09, Argyle says that they can ride in the baggage compartment. Mike: No, we'd suffocate. Argyle: Dogs always ride in the baggage compartment. They don't suffocate.

Me thinking: dogs-> connection to Will -> baggage compartment -> Lonnie's truck -> We'd suffocate -> Will saying in 3x08 I can't breath! I'm suffocating!

I think this could be a hint that in the past he was really in Lonnie's truck. And he suffocated, or almost suffocated

#will byers #lonnie byers #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 2 months

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This is one of the few articles in which paragraphs repeat themselves. I think it only happens in the ones about Richard Brenner and the UD (The Vale of Shadow) But there are other interesting details. Ray Carroll was in Vietnam

Honorably discharged from the Army Medical Corp after three tours in Vietnam

He also worked as an orderly in the hospital wing in Hawkins in 1969, and in S2 he lives in Chicago. This reminds me of a poster in Murray's house that refers to a trail in 1969 related to anti-Vietnam War. The Conspiracy Eight (so an eight ref too, hm) or Conspiracy Seven (here)

Interestingly, we only get a good look at the poster when Hopper is there.

Other things:

Carroll is a reference to Alice in Wonderland. El is associated with rabbits.

Ray being a veteran connects him to Hopper, and one of the guards in Terry's memory looks a lot like Hop. Not saying that that's Hopper. Just that there are many clues that connect Joyce and Hopper to Terry and her story. And if you follow my blog, you know what I mean.

The green car, the guard, and the article in 1x08, in which Will is the subject of the program and Terry's story becomes Joyce's story, word by word

... allegation comes amidst... investigation into the hidden... and its elaborate... in perusal of mind... The abuse detailed in the first...

As always, much to think about!

#el hopper #will byers #timeline theory #willel twins #joyce byers #jim hopper #terry ives #hawkins lab #st analysis #stranger things

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twelvegate-blog · 3 months

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I think I just found another huge hint at what might have happened to Will and El in 1976. This time not in the show, the writers posted it!

This is A Wrinkle in Time original cover (1962)

But they posted this photo. This is the cover for the 1976 paperback edition. What a coincidence! And under A Wrinkle in time, Rackham's Fairy Book. On the cover, a woman opening a door (gate) with keys... Will and El have been associated with keys since episode 1.

Maybe I'm right about my theory of a car crash in the winter of 1976!(here and here)

#st s5 spoilers #s5 spoilers #will byers #el hopper #st theory #stranger things

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I found some interesting details.

Will is watching Ewoks on TV, right before the cops arrest El. Imo, this is a parallel to Leia being shot by a stoortrooper on Endor, and separated from her brother and Han, who later lead a search for her, just like Will, Mike and Jon do in S4.

In the LIFE magazine on the coffee table there's a hidden reference to El. The Sad Fate of our Stray Dogs. In S1, Lucas compares El to a stray dog.

This is similar to the graffiti behind her, in Kali episode: Stinky Fate

But there's more. Twin imagery, OR a hint at Vecna in the UD. And three flowers-> three siblings? El, Will and Jon?

Also, the movie (upside down) is The fair lady

Plot:

A poor Cockney flower-seller named Eliza Doolittle who overhears an arrogant phonetics professor, Henry Higgins, as he casually wagers that he could teach her to speak "proper" English, thereby making her presentable in the high society of Edwardian London.

And there's a mention of Henry's slippers in the movie that reminds me of Dorothy's slippers (in S1 Powell calls the lab Emerald City)

Every time I rewatch an episode I notice new details. I love this show!

#el hopper #henry creel #stranger things

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