being a transmasc who projects on Hunter, obviously I lean towards transmasc hcs, and transfem content can sometimes make me uncomfortable, but girlies of the transfem hc, I see how much fun you're having, and I salute thee and your adorable sapphic content. keep at it!

starts popping off my feminine body parts like lego pieces and hands them to my transfem friend in exchange for a peen

I just want to say that i love trans women soooo much, the thought of them being happy and expierencing (???) trans joy fills me with such joy and motivation to keep going with my own trans journey, i want to hug every trans woman in the world. I feel do secure when i think about them. Lately i've opened up more to the local queer community and the trans women i've met where the sweetest people i've met. I've truly experienced trans solidarity lately. As a trans man i want to salute to every trans woman out there, and to every young trans individual i strongly advice to seek local queer community. There's a differnece between a icon and a real face

Submitted July 3, 2023

extremely genuine question: do trans fems feel about elizabeth debicki and leslie jones the way trans mascs feel about jack black and jeremy allen white?

trans guy who gets on T so it’s more fun when he gets force femmed

i thought i should let you know i made friends w an over 40 yr old physically disabled transfem who has been married almost 20 yrs in TEXAS so like. you have time. you will be ok. people like you exist. people like you find love. people like you have friends. its gonna be ok.

People: hey we genuinely do not know current death and violence rates faced by trans mascs because, except for a few people, almost all trans masculine people are categorized as women experiencing random violence or, occasionally, homophobic hate crimes, rather that recorded as being trans people facing hate crimes

Someone with their head shoved so far up their own ass they've got partially digested corn stuck to their eyelashes: ahh see this proves that trans mascs almost never face violence especially compared to trans fems. If they did the statistics would be higher! I am very smart.

EDIT: this post has gotten unexpectedly popular, so while this edit won't affect current reblogs, hopefully if someone clicks back to here they'll read this.

The mention of trans fems here is SPECIFICALLY because of how some people (of a variety of genders) have been going "trans mascs aren't oppressed since they're men, or if they are oppressed, are barely oppressed and its not nearly as much as trans fems are. Trans mascs aren't knowledgeable about the trans community or experience, they should shut up and let trans fems speak for the entire trans community, because they are the most oppressed and therefore their voices are the most valuable. We know that trans fems are vastly over represented in statistics of violence in comparison to any other trans people, so that must mean trans fems face more violence than anyone trans masc or trans neutral could imagine. This means they are the most oppressed and should be listened to above all else about literally all trans things."

This post was written as an angry response to that sentiment.

Overall, always choose trans solidarity. We are stronger together.

I think we (the trans community on Tumblr) fucked the discourse when we tried to create separate terms for the kinds of misogyny trans ppl experience. It's the intersection of trans-ness and misogyny that gets you no matter if you're trans fem or trans masc and there's no guarantee that the oppressor will see us as our true identity either way. -a fem, transitioned trans man who gets a lot of misplaced transmisogyny

I have said over and over again that when I was first learning trans theory it was from an in-person mentorship from a trans woman thru my college's GSA and she is the one who taught me that transmisogyny applies to all of us.

The reason I don't really use the word "transandrophobia" at all is specifically because of this. And yet I'm still labeled a transandrobro and transandrodork and a truther because it was never about the fucking word and it was always about being mad that trans guys were pointing out where harm was coming from.

I started my trans journey in fellowship and solidarity with trans women. That's how I'd like to finish it too, however many years into the future my death arrives.

i just want to show my solidarity to all the trans women and trans fems on this site. i'm not very informed about the predstrogen and matt thing, but from what i could find, the tumblr staff is transmisogynistic. that is unacceptable.

we trans men and trans mascs stand with you and support you and love you!! we're in this fight with you!! if you go down, we do too.

It’s interesting that, rather than wanting to see similarity in our experiences and solidarity, some trans people are invested in only ever separating trans men/mascs and trans women/fems to the point they will deny others’ experiences, regardless of identity, if it doesn’t fit their narrative, and sometimes even their own stated experiences. And it often has to do specifically with experiences surrounding perception of masculinity.

What I’m thinking about specifically right now is with the initial coining of and discussion around transunity.

There was, and continues to be in some instances, a push to separate “MTF” and “FTM” experiences from each other. There’s denial of the ability for transmisogyny and transandrophobia to have any overlap in techniques and targets.

And the most relevant to what I’m talking about, and most baffling to me? The people denying that part of the function of transphobia as a whole is forcibly assigning “male” or “female” or “gross other” to a trans person interchangeably depending on the point the transphobe is trying to make with the transphobia.

I don’t know why, my best guess is it’s because people don’t want to recon with facts that cause dysphoria, but people acted like trans people are actively seen and treated as their gender by everyone, including transphobes. The idea that trans women are only ever seen as lesser women—never as dangerous males—became commonplace. But then, it was also commonplace to see trans men the exact same way: failed women but never portrayed as dangerous males. Ignoring very real experiences of being masculinized as a trans person leading to mistreatment as well as mistreatment coming from being feminized.

Does this wrap back around to the radfem influence in online trans spaces? A specific focus on only feminine traits and eschewing of all things masculine? Maybe. I don’t know.

All I know is I can still find posts on my blog where people chime in and outright try to deny TERFs act that trans women are males as a part of their strategy, and I don’t get it.

So, I'm not really in the weeds of Transgender Discourse on the internet (I have a life and also care about my mental health) but I've seen something discussed here about trans masculinity and I wanna talk about it.

I'm very masculine. I'm butch, I'm trans masc, I've always wanted to be masculine and I feel most comfortable when I'm presenting as such. Without much effort or any intention on my part I am read as a cis man day to day. Because I don't present more fem, in queer spaces I am read and recieved as a man, maybe trans, probably into other men. People do not even consider if I'm a butch lesbian unless there's Significant context indicating it. Because of this I'm viewed through 'Man Lens'; It feels a different if I say 'bitch', if I talk about my attraction to women. I don't get smiled at, people put physical distance between me and them as much as possible.

This is familiar for a lot of trans masculine people and trans men that aren't androgynous/fem leaning in their style, and it is an upsetting change to happen. It makes us feel judged or misunderstood to suddenly be causing this wariness in others; it feels prejudiced. I've seen people putting words to this like transmisandry. This is something they want to lessen in their communities, so they don't have to experience this anymore.

Now, here's my opinion part: That's not going to happen. You cannot tackle the "problem" of people responding to your masculinity with wariness. They aren't controlling the wariness, they can't. More importantly, their wariness toward masculinity and what registers in their brain as "man-like" is well founded. It's based in lifetimes of experiences and trauma that has told them men can be very unsafe to be around, and that is true. Most men are cis, and cis men are the most threatening thing in this world to non-cis men. They are usually* socially privileged above others, more likely to inflict violence, more likely to abuse and murder others, are typically physically more powerful than others. Everyone thats not a cis man DEEPLY internalises a very rational wariness of men, and masculine presentation as an extension. Especially men that are strangers. (*This is of course different when we consider intersections of race, colonialism, classism, ect. But globally this generalisation is still pretty accurate.)

Honestly, I don't think this wariness towards masculine presentation is something thats useful or realistic to challenge. Like many internalised processes it's probably a good idea to examine it and consider its usefulness, but I think it'd be easy to conclude that it is a useful wariness for people to have. Women have lots of reasons to be wary around men, including the unique threats of transmisogyny. Queer and gender deviant men have lots of reasons to be wary around men. This is The Reality of patriarchy.

Personally, the place I've come to with how women and queer people react to my masculinity (which is not entirely negative btw, the wariness is just one aspect) is that... I understand their wariness. I have it too, toward those my brain assumes are cis men. I cannot control how they feel or what they think about me. I can only be respectful to others and to myself and live my life. I flag my butchness where I can, I make my gender clear to those it matters to, and the rest I accept as largely beyond my influence. All of us have to do this in some places in our lives.

Even though my masculinity makes other queers wary, I have lots of friends! I've had no real trouble dating or finding intimacy. Initial wariness is just that. Once you understand each other, break the barrier, its usually settled. For anyone who finds my masculinity so offputting that we can't break the barrier, I'm glad neither of us put each other through that discomfort. I understand where a fear like that comes from. I will still hold community with them because that's what solidarity entails.

Anyway thats my ramble about masculinity in queer community, good bye until another. who knows how long

real take i just read, it started off good with trans masc/transfem solidarity and ended with "men are the enemy" i'm so tired

i think there needs to be less argument about who has it worse and more solidarity between transmascs, fems, and cis women to combat the actual enemy

THE ENEMY IS THE PATRIARCHY!!!

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Trans man, trans woman, trans masc, trans fem, and everything in-between will all have similar experiences

But also have very very different experiences! That's OKAY that is not excuse for in fighting or separation, it's about reason to fight for our brothers and sisters who are experiencing things we haven't

Discourse without substance is stupid and helps no one, stop fighting within yourselves it's so annoying to see people go around in circles on and on

Trans solidarity I love you all my trans folk whether it be binary or not or even a mix , especially intersex folk godbless the day people stop forgetting intersex people exist ‼️

It really gets me upset when the trans man lesbian crowd spreads these soft positivity posts like “trans men have always had a place in the lesbian community uwu” with not a degree of awareness. It’s been shown statistically, that a majority of cis lesbians will proudly state they would prefer to date trans men over trans women. It’s been shown how trans men are accepted by cis lesbians and welcomed in lesbian spaces over trans women. And it isn’t because of beautiful beautiful solidarity, its because they see them as women and they see trans women as men. Trans men have been equated with masc lesbians for decades and continue to this day, especially by terfs who use butch lesbian and trans man as interchangeable words.  The absolute tone deafness I’ve seen in these discussions boggles the mind, like saying trans men grew up identifying as lesbians, being treated as women, being “socialized” as women, so they have a ‘right’ to lesbian spaces. As if it doesn’t subtlety imply that transfems have less of a right to be there then they do, as if it isn’t regurgitated terf “male/female socialization” rhetoric. And when I point out these problematic elements I often get the trans men who argue for this stuff lecturing me about denying their agency and how they choose to be with lesbians. If yall want to date lesbians that’s fine, I literally cant stop you nor care to. It’s worth noting though, that there have been plenty of instances of trans men voluntarily dating straight men, yet we dont have this community push to validate straight men chasers and their trans boyfriends. For good reason, too.  I am not saying trans men need to be “kicked out” of lesbian spaces, I understand the solidarity between our communities. That solidarity will always exist. (And again I want to point out for the most part they are NOT being kicked out or excluded. Trans fems are) And I understand that “man” doesnt always mean man in a binary sense, some people are nonbinary men and women and things aren't always as clear cut. As a transmasc, nonbinary lesbian I understand that. This does not apply to you. I just want people to please take note of the transphobic, specifically transmisogynistic overtones that accompany a widespread push to have trans men as a group be considered as exceptions to lesbian attraction. 

i have a lot of serious issues with the way you frame the kinds of transphobia one experiences as based on how theyre perceived. that to me is very much only part of it. a trans woman whos in the closet is still a woman living in a misogynistic society and bombarded with what it entails. the oppression doesnt hinge solely on personally directed acts. this also is a big issue i take with the transunity manifesto, the way it frames experiences too strictly around being perceived externally by others. there is a very dismissive eagerness there to describe trans womens experiences, unless they "pass", as those consistent with maleness. i think the above does a huge disservice to the whole idea and highlights the lack of transfem voices in this movement. you have the right to describe your own experiences with the language you find helpful, but you need to extend that courtesy to others as well.

I think there is a problem with this phrasing. Whenever I say that transphobia is based on perception, I don't mean to say that people are not affected by transphobia even when they are not out. I think the creators of the manifesto would likely agree with me that trans people can very much be deeply affected by transphobia even if they are not perceived as trans, because they consciously or subconsciously know themselves to be trans.

But because there's been a lot of claims that you can only count as "affected" by a transphobia if you are part of that group. Specifically in the context of interpersonal transphobia, like a hate crime done against you. So emphasis is put on perception to make it clear that people who aren't actually trans[fem/masc/other] can still be victims of all types of transphobia, and that all those victims should be in solidarity together.

But you are right that this is very focused on interpersonal violence and doesn't take into account the internal impact of transphobia. In the future I will try to take that into consideration when talking about how transphobia works.

However, I do want to push back a little against this ask. You frame this phrasing as something harmful to trans women specifically, and a sign of the lack of trans women's voices in transunity, but this is very much not something exclusive to trans women. Closeted transmascs and closeted genderqueers can also be deeply affected by transphobia while in the closet. And, in fact, part of the discussion of anti-transmasculinity involves pointing out how people often discuss trans men's experiences with transphobia assuming all trans men pass as (straight, white, gender conforming) men, which ignores the experiences of closeted & nonpassing trans men. So while your criticism of the focus on perception is good, I am uncomfortable with the way you assume this is something which uniquely harms trans women and not any other trans* people.