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auditect · 1 month

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Ever wanted to see a Wookiee Jedi in action?

Check out the second exiting part of The Stark Hyperspace War, and watch as the mighty Tyvokka leads the charge against the greatest collective of pirates and mercenaries ever formed!

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jewishcissiekj · 8 months

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Anyway, back to your irregularly scheduled Star Wars from 20 something years ago

I absolutely love that Qui-Gon canonically stinks in Legends. That man is DISGUSTING. Also Tholme thinks he's ugly and I find that funny

(LEGENDS!) Quinlan's growing on me and I'm so happy he finally met his boyfriend. Good for them.

Aayla I think there's something Quin didn't tell you. The way Obi-Wan looks at him? not a friendship.

Love this cover. Get squarnshed idiot

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alphacomicsvol2 · 1 year

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Star Wars #37 (The Stark Hyperspace War #2 of 4) Cover Art by Jan Duursema

#Dark Horse #Comic #Comics #Star Wars #Star Wars: The Stark Hyperspace War #sci-fi #Covers #Cover Art #Wookiee #Jedi #Lightsaber #Jan Duursema #Star Wars: Legends

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nieithryn · 1 month

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@misfittcd asked: ❝You’ve made mistakes. We all did. It’s in the past.❞ (Qui-Gon to Quinlan)

"Is it so easy, Master Qui-Gon?"

The words could have been filled with a cocky, snippy sarcasm. They weren't. Instead, the young kiffar sat with his head bowed, hands covered in wrappings that he tugged at idly. Nervously. Tholme had been even more forgiving...Master Yoda had been even less. He had hardly meant for anything to happen, the images had just been so vivid...sometimes they were like that, when the emotions had been so high, when people were frightened, hurt, angry-

"...Master Yoda says trusting me is a bad idea. That I don't- I don't belong here." Slowly, the boy dragged his dark eyes up, to look up at the great Maverick. What made Yoda judge Qui-Gon so differently from him? What made Yoda judge him at all? "What if he's right? Everyone says Yoda is so wise, that he knows so much- what if I'm bad for the Jedi?"

What if I'm bad for Obi-Wan? For Tholme? For Aayla? What if I really am everything Yoda says I am?

#misfittcd #misfittcd (Qui-Gon)#(You get sad bby Quin vibes because I reread the Stark Hyperspace War and got mad abt this again lol)#ic: I Have Made My Choice (Quinlan)#v: Wild Child

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veny-many · 10 months

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If I'm right, Plo was one of the few Jedi who witnessed Clone troopers earlier than others, and noticed that they were individuals not just soldiers.

I really want to see what was like Plo's reactions toward those young boys in the first meeting.

Kaminoan: These squads are the perfect outcome of our training. They don't fear death or pain, they perfectly fight as soldiers.

Plo: But in this simulation, they have grave casualties as a result.

Kaminoans: Since they're Clones, casualties are not a great loss. They succeeded the goal, so you only need to focus on that.

Plo: ....

Kaminoans: But you might have some defective that slightly have more individuality that doesn't well mix with battle strategy. We tried to solve problems with them, but it was way too hard task since they had to have more flexibility than Droids. Now, you can see this squad, while they're focused on protecting their batchmates as a result, they failed to get objective in time. So what we wanted to say...

Plo: They all survived until they fully evacuated.

Kaminoans: Yes, but they-

Plo: It's perfect.

Kaminoans: But sir, this is war. You don't know what is important here?

Plo: I was a war hero. And I know what is truly important in war.

Now let's see what was important in war to Plo Koon, the war veteran even before the Clone wars.

He knew what is truly precious in most violent times.

+) Actually, I don't think all the Kaminoans are evil. They would have trained different clones differently, I guess?

Kaminoan:

Kaminoan: (whispering) Actually, I trained that squad. I hope you Jedi could treat them better than here.

Plo: :)

#star wars #the clone wars #plo koon #clone trooper #plo was war hero of The Stark Hyperspace War. where he lost his master Tyvokka #my headcanon

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hedonistbyheart · 1 year

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Hahaha not Plo Koon being like "I'll come help you, master - IF I can bring Qui-Gon" 🤣🤣

Plo you're so valid; Qui-Gon is my support jedi too.

#star wars: comics #the stark hyperspace war #I only found the first volume today boo #but I am even more ready to ride or die with plo koon now #star wars

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arkhavens · 2 years

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hello and welcome to another vague fic idea i will probs never do anything with!

obiquin timetravel au <3

Essentially: After the end of Kenobi s1 Quinlan and Obi-Wan find each other on Tatooine and after a very cute little reunion fall asleep together in Obi-wans bed, tangled in each others arms.

Then they jolt awake 30ish yrs in the past(bc long-term obiquin is something that i see not nearly enough of and its one of my most beloved concepts), tangled together in the jedi temple.

theres kinda a moment of "why the fuck are you 17?" "why the fuck are YOU 17??" and then all the usual time travel realizations of "we're definitely in the past", "how the hell do we act 17 again", "what do we do about the future", "this is a remarkably inconvenient age to time travel back to", "oh shit what was i doing the day before" etc etc

theyre both sort of freaking out right then. yes, theyre back before the end of everything, and all the friends that died from the war or from order 66 are alive, and they have a chance to fix things!! but they cant do anything immediately, can they?

the clones havent been made yet, they dont know if sidious is even the sith master right now, anakin was probably only Just born and they have no clue where shmi even is, Naboo+Maul arent for several years at this point.

and even then, they still have to consider the ramifications for the changes they want to make. do they have the right to stop the clones from being made? would that even stop the clone wars from happening? what if this time the war drafts citizens instead? If they try and have obiwan knighted earlier, what would that do to naboo? if they go and find anakin earlier, will the trade federation control ship still go down? What can they do? what can they risk? what is even possible to change?

all they can do is wait. and go about their lives as if things were normal.

whatever happens after that is honestly up in the air. if they tell someone else or not, what they change, how they change it, what comes of that etc. be it a fix-it or a fuck-it, it turns out better than the first go around.

#obi wan kenobi #obiquin #quinobi #star wars #star wars legends #obi wan #fic idea #sw fic idea #||#it just felt interesting to think about a time travel fic in which there isnt anything immediate to do #bc most of em drop obi wan right b4 bandomeer or naboo #that ive seen at least #its also obiquin bc i like time travel with buddies<33 #the weight of the future does NOT rest on your shoulders alone my friend!! your boyfriend is stuck in hell too!#in the star wars canon i ascribe to obiquin were sorta friends in the creche #(not like close-close but enough to shenanigan together sometimes)#but got super close following the stark hyperspace war like in the comics(wld b roughly age 13-14)#and they got together properly at 15ish #bc the idea of them being in a 20ish yr long relationship and just Entirely not hiding it #while anakin is 4 ft away and going obiwan would rat me out to the council if i told him about my marriage:((( id get kicked out:((#is so fucking funny to me #you know maybe one of these days ill write out all of the headcanons n shit that i have bc i have a LOT of them #my posts

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arianaderalte · 1 year

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In which mines are just the gift that keeps on giving in a galaxy far far away.

#star wars #my fic #how a romance novel saved the galaxy #adonai kryze #adi gallia #the stark hyperspace war

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intermundia · 3 months

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Hey Will!

You seem to be very well-versed in the Star Wars books, and I was wondering if you could recommend essential reading as regards Obi-Wan and Anakin’s relationship (or character studies of them in general)? We all know about the ROTS novelization, but I was wondering what else you would recommend?

Any other prequel era book recs would be welcomed as well!

Apologies if you’ve already posted about this!

Obi-Wan and/or Anakin:

Legacy of the Jedi 📖🔰📙

Jedi Apprentice series 📖🔰📙

The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi 📖🔰📙

Padawan 📖🔰📗💙

Star Wars: Republic: The Stark Hyperspace War 💥📙

Master & Apprentice 📖📗

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan: The Aurorient Express 💥📙

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan: Last Stand on Ord Mantell 💥📙

Cloak of Deception 📖📙

Star Wars: Obi-Wan 💥📗

Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace novelization 📖📕

Rogue Planet 📖📙💙

Jedi Quest series 📖🔰📙

Star Wars: Obi-Wan and Anakin 💥📗💙

The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader 📖🔰📙

Age of Republic - Obi-Wan Kenobi 1 💥📗

The Approaching Storm 📖📙

Star Wars (2020) #25: "the Lesson (Obi-Wan & Anakin)*"💥📗

Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones novelization 📖📕

Star Wars: Republic: The Battle of Jabiim 💥📙💙

Brotherhood 📖📗

Age of Republic - Anakin Skywalker 1 💥📗

Star Wars: The Clone Wars novelization 📖📙

The Clone Wars: Wild Space 📖📙💙

Clone Wars Gambit: Stealth 📖📙

Clone Wars Gambit: Siege 📖📙

Star Wars: Republic: Dreadnaughts of Rendili 💥📙

Secrets of the Jedi 📖🔰📙

Jedi Trial 📖📙

Labyrinth of Evil 📖📙

Dark Disciple 📖📗

Star Wars: Obsession💥📙💙

Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith novelization 📖📕💙

Star Wars: Darth Vader (2017) 💥📗💙

Kenobi 📖📙

Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader 📖📙

Lords of the Sith 📖📗

Thrawn: Alliances 📖📗

Star Wars: A New Hope novelization 📖📕

Star Wars (2015) 💥📗

Star Wars: Darth Vader (2015) 💥📗💙

Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back novelization 📖📕

Star Wars (2020) 💥📗

Star Wars: Darth Vader (2020) 💥📗

Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi novelization 📖📕

📖 = book 💥 = comic 🔰 = YA 📙 = legends 📕 = quasi-canon (novelizations only canon when they line up with the films) 📗 = canon 💙 = favorite or essential imho

this list is not at all comprehensive, but merely the ones that i have found to be good sources for both/either characters as i've explored the lore over time!! they are not all of equal credibility, with legends and YA novels being less vivid in the mind than the canon ones. i'm listing so many because i like so many, but this is hopefully not intimidating as much as it is a full buffet for you to choose from!!!

also: 💙 Darth Plagueis 💙 it's not about the Team, but it is a phenomenal worldbuilding book for the prequels in general

#thanks for asking!!#there are so many it's insane i get how hard it is to even know where to start #im sure im forgetting something #oh well #sw books #star wars #anakin skywalker #obi-wan kenobi #obikin #sw

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auditect · 3 months

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It's Valentine's day, and wether you are celebrating with a partner or alone, there is nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody, who could think of anything more romantic than watching the newest Episode of Star Wars '98!

Find out all about how the Stark Hyperspace War threatened to plunge the Galaxy into chaos, and how an unlikely band of characters, including Plo Koon and his former Jedi Master Tyvokka, fought against the greatest assemblance of pirates and mercenaries ever!

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david-talks-sw · 1 year

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An argument I hear from time to time is the following:

"I don't care that this novel is considered Legends, if it was canon when George Lucas was in charge of Lucasfilm, it's still canon to me now. Whatever George says is what counts, I don't care what Disney says."

Putting the Expanded Universe's Star Wars and George Lucas' Star Wars in the same basket. And that's, uh... inaccurate.

So without further ado, let's explore:

George Lucas’ involvement in the Expanded Universe

Early years of the EU...

When the first bit of EU content came out in the form of the novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Lucas was too busy working on the films, so Alan Dean Foster wrote it by himself (which explains why Luke and Leia's relationship plays out romantically).

After the movies came out, when new material was going to be created, George told Lucas Licensing and other authors that the Prequel era was off-limits to write about, because he might tell that story one day.

Beyond that, they could go to town and write sequels, for instance. After all, part of why Star Wars was created was to let people's imagination run wild and George was happy to let other artists play in the sandbox he created.

That said, things were very clear from the get-go.

These weren't his stories.

The Thrawn books, Dark Empire, all this material was explicitly just Tom Veitch and Timothy Zahn and whoever else's creation. Not George's, who was described by Lucas Licensing's Lucy Autrey Wilson as "not very involved".

The most he did was answers "OK/Not OK" questionnaires about what the EU writers could or couldn't write.

Telling Yoda's backstory? Not OK.

Telling Han's backstory, between the Prequel and Ep. 4? OK.

Having someone wear Vader's suit after his death? Not OK.

The Emperor returning in a clone body? OK.

So that's it. That was his involvement in the 90s.

Him saying "don't write something set during this/that period".

"OK/Not OK" questionnaires.

It's also worth mentioning he didn't approve of Mara Jade, Luke's wife in the EU. In his mind, "Jedi don't marry".

Rather, the character herself wasn't an issue... until she married Luke. When Timothy Zahn asked for Luke and Mara to be married or engaged, back in 1993, Lucasfilm initially vetoed the idea.

According to Brian Jay Jones (author of "A Life", George Lucas' biography), in 1995 George convened a 'Star Wars Summit' wherein he gathered licensees and international agents to Skywalker Ranch to reinforce "the need for him to maintain quality control, especially in the areas of publishing, where some characters—such as Luke Skywalker, who’d been given a love interest in a fiery smuggler named Mara Jade—were living lives far beyond the ones he had written for them in the original trilogy".

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During the Prequels...

George Lucas was writing and directing three movies with large themes, shot almost back-to-back, commuting between Australia and California. That's hard enough as it is.

Also, in the 90s, most movies were still shot on film. During the making of Phantom Menace, Lucas shot parts of the film by combining prototype digital Sony cameras and using them in combination with videotapes, rather than shooting on film.

For Attack of the Clones, George worked with Panavision and Sony to develop fully digital cameras, which eventually became the standard.

As if that wasn't enough, by making the Prequels, Lucas and ILM were also creating fully-digitized worlds (Coruscant, Geonosis) and characters (Jar Jar, Yoda) and laying the groundwork for the CGI technology that has now become essential for today's blockbusters.

Having established all this...

Do you really think he had the time or the patience to read through a bunch of novels and guidebooks?!

Simply put: George Lucas was too busy revolutionizing cinema to be involved in the development of the EU.

So if you ask George who Tahl or Vitiate are, or what the Stark Hyperspace War or a vapor manifold are, if you ask him to recite you the Sith Code... he'll grumble and say "heck if I know".

He outright admitted that fans know more Star Wars lore than him.

Because SOMEBODY ELSE wrote that stuff.

And he let them do it because:

It made money. A lot of money, especially after TPM came out. Money that could fund his next films. You don't mess with licensing. Hell, it's why he was so cool with there being all those Star Wars parodies.

He didn't see those stories as canon anyway, so it couldn't hurt. He saw them as a separate universe, an alternate timeline wherein the films happened ALONG with all these other tales.

So associating the EU content with Lucas is unreasonable. He was too busy, so he just let Howard Roffman, Lucy Autrey Wilson, Sue Rostoni and Lucas Licensing do their thing and crank out new stories and transmedia content for the fans.

It was a one-way relationship. The licensing parallel universe needed to have some internal consistency AND adhere to what Lucas established in the new films movies (which was difficult because they weren't involved in the production process), but he didn't need to be in line or consistent with anything they established.

Now, George did set some guidelines/boundaries and there were obviously do's and don'ts. But once those boundaries were set and the brief was established, the authors had a lot of freedom and, like, 99% of their interaction was with their editors from the respective publishing houses (Scholastic, Del Rey, Dark Horse) and the folks at Lucas Licensing.

George was only really brought in to sign off on, like, some of the major plot points only once in a blue moon. Stuff like:

"Let's make a Maul novel". George would go "fine, just keep him mysterious."

"What species should Plagueis be?" George: "he could be a Muun, here's concept art."

Nothing more than that. Again: the Expanded Universe was other storyteller's interpretation of what Lucas had created.

Sometimes, it was spot on and it aligned with George's vision.

Other times, this additional lore was created by writers who didn't know what he was doing with the Prequels, so they were in the dark regarding certain plot points.

And then you have the authors who absolutely disagreed with George's vision of the Prequels, or of Star Wars, in general, but wanted to engage with the material nonetheless.

Which is why, whilst sometimes the EU fixed some plot-holes, sometimes the EU had inconsistencies.

Inconsistencies such as Ki-Adi Mundi being a Knight on the Council, who is married and has kids (when the Jedi being prohibited from marrying is a major plot point in the Prequels)...

… or the Jedi being essentially superhuman (when one of the narrative reasons Qui-Gon is killed is to show that the Jedi are mortals, not supermen)…

... or other stuff like Mace having a blue lightsaber for a period (because who the hell knew purple was an option?!) or some Jedi having red lightsabers, or Sith Lords being able to become ghosts after death, when that's a feat you can only achieve by being selfless.

It's also why you get conflicting definitions of what the Jedi call "attachment" or conflicting narratives trying to reframe midi-chlorians as a cold, intentionally-flawed way of seeing the Force (when they're meant to be a beautiful metaphor for symbiosis and how the Force works).

And it makes sense that some of this stuff wouldn't track, considering how Lucas stated multiple times that he didn't have anything to do with it, that it was a separate universe from his own...

Safe to say that if George had any involvement in the EU, it was so minimal that he, himself, didn't count it as "involvement".

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Later years of the EU...

After the Prequels were over and done with, Lucas created The Clone Wars with Dave Filoni. At first, he'd just suggest a few storylines, but he quickly got VERY involved in the whole process. Far more involved than he ever was with EU content.

And y'know... Dave Filoni is a massive Star Wars fan and an avid EU reader. So, from time to time, Filoni would bring up EU material for Lucas to consider during the story conferences, and they'd look at what was out there together.

But it's important to note that George's stance toward the EU didn't change and became a rule for everyone on the writing staff: the EU content was nothing more than a pool of "fun what-if ideas" that they could draw inspiration from.

If they could, they'd try to not mess with continuity... but if the story called for it, they could retcon anything without batting an eye. Because it wasn't canon to them.

It's why author Karen Traviss quit working with Lucasfilm after the Mandalorians were retconned into pacifists in The Clone Wars.

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The only things that were truly canon were:

George Lucas' own word.

The movies.

Previously established The Clone Wars lore.

And that's it.

Everything else was somebody's else's concern. Not George's.

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This way of seeing the EU continued all the way to the time shortly before George sold the company to Disney as his drafts for the Sequels featured:

no Jacen, Jaina or Anakin Solo (Han and Leia's kids from the EU),

a still-alive Chewbacca (who died, later in the EU),

no "New Jedi Order".

Every version of George's Sequels ignored the EU.

Which would explain why the EU reboot was planned in the summer of 2012 (when Lucas was in charge)!

I'll repeat: the EU reboot was planned months BEFORE George Lucas sold the company to Disney.

Because of course it was! It's a natural result of 30 years' worth of content that's so intermeshed that it would stop future artists - namely George himself - from creating anything else.

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Exceptions to the rule:

1. Comics (kinda)

He did read the comics. Or at least, he gave them a glance.

Aside from the fact that he grew up reading comics, understand that George Lucas is a visual artist, first and foremost.

That's what he's about and that's what he loves, that's what speaks to him. There's a reason his upcoming Museum of Narrative Art will feature comic panels and pages of all kind.

During pre-production on Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, Lucas had the art team draw concept art before a script had ever been written so he'd have ideas for set-pieces.

Later on, J.W. Rinzler pitched him the idea of adapting his early drafts for Star Wars into comic form. Lucas' initial reaction was going "hell no". Rinzler had concept art made…

… and George took one look and was on board.

So it's not a stretch to assume that a book telling a story through beautiful drawings would catch his attention more than a novel.

Case in point: He knew who Quinlan Vos was and was enamored with the character. He knew Aayla enough to put her in Attack of the Clones after seeing a cover of Republic by John Forster featuring her (below, left).

(although, it's worth pointing out that he doesn't call her out by name a single time, in the director's commentary of the Attack of the Clones, she's just the "Twi'Lek Jedi" and her inclusion was done mainly to add more diversity to the Jedi fighting in the arena)

Over a decade later, when the comic Star Wars #7 came out in 2015, Lucasfilm acquired artist Simone Bianchi's original 20 pages and cover art for George, so he could feature it in his the Museum of Narrative Art:

So at the very least, he looked at the comics and admired the visuals.

Whether he actually read the comics in detail or just skimmed through most of them because he liked the pretty pictures (likelier, imo) is an entirely different matter.

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2. Video-Games (kinda)

Lucas would periodically check in on the status of LucasArts games, lending creative input and advice.

Sometimes, his advice ranged from "weird" to "he's gotta be fucking with us, right?"

Apparently, he advised the team developing Star Wars: The Force Unleashed that they dub Starkiller "Darth Insanius" or "Darth Icky".

And you know what? I have no trouble believing it.

Firstly because if you're going by the idea that he gave no fucks about the EU, then of course he'll come up with "meh" names. But also, this is the same guy who created "Winkie" in 2012/2013, the character who'd go on to be named "Rey".

He also told the team creating Star Wars: 1313 that he wanted a fresh face as the main character, then only weeks before the game was announced he went "let's make it Boba Fett".

Finally... the cancelled Darth Maul game by Red Fly.

Codenamed “Damage”, then “Battle of the Sith Lords”. Think Batman: Arkham City meets Star Wars.

Red Fly pitched it as a coming of age story where we see Maul be kidnapped, tortured, eventually joining the Dark Side, and ending in TPM. Then they had interactions with LucasArts and found out Maul survived his fight with Obi-Wan.

The game went through several iterations, partly because the people at Red Fly were kept in the dark about the developments in The Clone Wars (Season 4 wasn't out yet), and even when some tidbits came out and they knew characters like Savage Oppress and Death Watch would be included, they didn't get more details.

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Whatever. They do their best to make something from what they're told. Then they have a meeting with George. As this GameInformer article explains:

“A friendly George Lucas entered the room and was eager to hear the pitch from Red Fly’s creatives. “Before they could finish their spiel, Lucas cut them off, stood up, walked over to [two Sideshow Collectibles statues of Darth Maul and Darth Talon], rotated them to be facing the same direction, pushed them together, and said ‘They’re friends!’” adds the source. “He wanted these characters to be friends, and to play off of each other. […] The problem with the idea of Maul and Talon teaming up for a buddy cop-like experience was that they were separated by over 170 years […] When this vast time divide was brought up to Lucas’ attention, he brushed off the notion of it not working, and said that it could instead be a descendant of Darth Maul or a clone of him.”

So now the game is about a descendant of Maul, guided by his ancestor and fighting a redesigned Darth Krayt, etc?

The game was eventually cancelled when George sold the company.

Worth pointing out that this was circa 2010/2011... around the time that George started working on his Sequels, according to Jett Lucas. And we know that the treatment for the Sequels that Lucas presented to Bob Iger featured old man Maul and Darth Talon as the villains of the trilogy... take from that what you will.

3. The Prequel novelizations (kinda)

They were all given a copy of Lucas' screenplay.

While most of their work was with Sue Rostoni, Lucy Autrey Wilson, and Howard Roffman on the Lucasfilm team (like some of the other authors), Terry Brooks, R.A. Salvatore and Matthew Stover all spent a bit of time with George before writing their respective novels.

George told Terry Brooks to write some additional material for Anakin Skywalker because there wasn't enough of that in the movie. He was shown rushes from the set, they "opened the safe" for him. When Terry had further questions re: midi-chlorians and the history of the Sith, George goes on a 30-minute monologue about all that.

R.A. Salvatore had a 45-minute interview with him that turned into a 3-hour chat. He was able to go back to the Ranch a few times during the writing process, and one of those times George chatted with him and his wife during lunch. He was shown various cuts of the film and concept art.

Matthew Stover and George talked for a whole afternoon (I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume he was also shown the other stuff like some cuts/deleted scenes, concept art, etc etc).

Was there a line-edit of the ROTS novel from Lucas? Regarding the Revenge of the Sith novelization, some people bring up the idea that George Lucas did a line-edit on the book because Stover wrote this statement on theforce.net:

That said...

Stover, also stated that Lucas told him to write whatever he wanted as long as it was good,

he also said he didn't actually see Lucas type the edits,

an anonymous Del Rey editor stated on theforce.net that the notion that George edited the novel himself is "extremely incorrect".

There's enough "reasonable doubt" for the argument to be made that the Revenge of the Sith novelization was edited the same way as any other Star Wars novel, rather than by George himself.

The fact remains, though, that it was a novel written by someone who understood the source material, as it was explained to him in detail by George Lucas himself (a luxury many SW authors never got).

Lucas' backstory for the Sith in the TPM novel: If Pablo Hidalgo is to be believed, the backstory of the Sith, as detailed in the Phantom Menace novelization, came from Lucas.

(Obviously, I'd allow for the very likely possibility that there was some embellishment by Terry Brooks)

20 years later, however, it seems George decided to stick to the idea that there was no war between the Jedi and the Sith.

Final thought:

A lot of people will insist that George was involved in spite of all the above-posted evidence. Saying stuff like:

"But [X person] said that it was canon..."

Sometimes, they’ll link you to this whole website collecting quotes of other people saying "the EU was canon" (never George Lucas except for, like, one/two quotes where he acknowledges the existence of Sequel books which MUST mean he saw them as canon, right?) and...

On the one hand... of course they'll all vaguely say he's "involved" and tip-toe around the subject; it's technically true and, again, they're trying to make money. It's a business, folks.

On the other... yeah? Duh. Of course it was canon to Lucas Licensing and the authors who wrote for the EU. But it wasn't canon to George. And I just gave you a whole bunch of quotes directly from him and/or the same people quoted on that website, all confirming that he didn't see them as canon and he wasn't involved (or barely was).

Other times, we're straight-up approaching "burying head in the sand/lalalala I'm not listening!" levels of justifications.

Like, we just talked about the Sith's origins, right?

I remember a while ago, this Star Wars YouTuber was reviewing this quote from Lucas, in The Star Wars Archives: 1999-1995:

The YouTuber's reaction the second after reading the quote is saying:

"And of course, what George is referring to, here, is the Battle of Ruusan and the Brotherhood of Darkness using the Thought Bomb created by Lord Khan to kill the Jedi Lord Hoth and…"

My guy! You read a whole excerpt that started with "there was never a war between the Jedi and the Sith" and the words "Ruusan" or "Thought Bomb" never being mentioned once in the passage (or in the TPM novelization)... and concluded that George was referring to the Jedi/Sith Battle of Ruusan? And all that other EU stuff?

See what I mean, folks?

Now, look, I grew up with these stories (heck, I grew up with these stories in three different languages). So I get it. I know they're awesome.

And, yes, there is a difference between the kind of content we used to get and the content we're getting now (for one, lightsabers used to be lightsabers, in video-games, not baseball bats).

But if you're trying to prop up the EU, the facts show that the "George Lucas signed off on them" authority argument isn't a valid one. Because he clearly wasn't very interested or involved in it.

And why would you want to use this authority argument, anyway?

You shouldn't need to say "this came from Lucas" to like those stories. They don't need to be George Lucas Approved™ to matter and to be validated as "worthy of appreciation". They're valid on their own, they're great stories. And if you like them better than the Sequels, go to town. I know I do.

The only thing you can't do (with a straight face, at least) is hold them up as "the True Lucas-Approved Canon™ as opposed to the Disney Trash" in a rant, because you'd be wrong and/or lying. Neither had Lucas' hand in them in any meaningful way.

Finally... I was devastated when the EU was officially made non-canon, in 2014. And for a few years, I saw the new Star Wars continuity through this lens:

"Any EU content is still canon unless it's directly retconned...!"

Trust me, when I say that only pain lies that way. Because that's not how a lot of Star Wars creators, including the Flanelled One himself, see it. The way they saw/see it is:

"Unless it's been shown in a movie or TCW... it's a legend, it might have happened."

This line of thought seems to be increasingly applied to the new Disney canon too, by the way. "If it's not shown on a screen, then it's probably canon yet also up for grabs to be retconned."

And the sooner you accept that this is how it's being treated, the sooner you accept that the EU was never canon to Lucas or Filoni...

... the less painful it'll be when, I dunno, you watch The Acolyte and it's nothing like the Darth Plagueis novel or Plagueis himself is absent, or he's there, but as an Ithorian instead of a Muun.

(note how I didn't use the word "painless")

#Lucas Canon & EU Canon & Disney Canon are all different things.#the only downside to this notion is that you can't use Lucas' name in conjunction with the EU to win a debate or rant about LF.#or use Lucas' name to validate a headcanon that came from the EU #Aside from being glad he got to create a universe that inspired so many artists and creators to let their imagination go wild #he barely gave a crap about what other writers did in a parallel universe that he didn't even see as canon.#and that's FINE #collection of quotes #89 quotes I think #this may be the longest or second post I've written yet #meta #sw meta #expanded universe #george lucas #lucas quotes #dave filoni #youtube #star wars #star wars analysis #TCW #star wars comics #star wars novels #lucasfilm #EU #Legends #star wars legends #sw legends #supplementary material #long post

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phoenixyfriend · 2 years

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I don't entirely buy that Obi-Wan learned how to be a general/war tactics on Melida/Daan, because he was only there for a few weeks, and their war was strictly guerilla instead of the larger scale, often WWII-esque battles of The Clone Wars.

However

Obi-Wan developing a special interest in the history of military tactics and strategy-based games (chess variants, etc) as a trauma response to Melida/Daan, and then later doubling down and refining these lessons and skills as a coping mechanism for the stress he experiences on Mandalore*, is something I can get behind.

* e.g. listening to old battle stories from people who lived as warriors but have decided to back Satine because they want their kids to have a better life, holing up in a closed library to avoid Death Watch for a few weeks and digging through their military history shelves for a distraction that's still going to be helpful, etc.

Much of Obi-Wan's time as a padawan included taking elective courses in military history, and also strategy/tactics for when Jedi have to intervene in ongoing civil conflicts, which they do with enough regularity that nobody's going to say that it's unnecessary (see: Stark Hyperspace War, Naboo, Huk War, etc.). He spends his free time in the Archives reading up on High Republic conflicts and the last great Sith War, and if there's a war or civil conflict kicking up in galaxy, he's usually one of the first to look into it.

Sometimes, he asks to shadow the masters who get sent to those conflicts so he can figure out if what he's learned can be put into practice.

(So he doesn't let himself forget.)

(So he can be there for any child that's suffering the way the Young did.)

(So he can feel like his own traumas weren't all for nothing, like he can do something with them now, even if he wasn't much help then.)

#star wars #obi wan kenobi #trauma #child soldiers #sw legends #melida/daan #melida daan #mandalore #headcanons #phoenix talks

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veny-many · 6 months

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I found someone interesting friend of Plo Koon in Legend. Especially if you are thinking about Wolffe.

This man from Star wars(1998).

He was military man who served and loved Republic.

He fought with Plo in the Stark hyperspace war, and deeply respected him. Even requesting him to stay with his troopers to prevent them from thinking that they were abandoned.

Like this.

And he even got injured in his face and got scar in his face.

And when I see this, I can't help but remind one time of Wolffe's one of the worst days.

And they all fought till end of the Republic.

And unfortunately Jace was royal to his Jedi till end...

It is interesting that there was a character who reminds me of Wolffe so much.

In my consideration, since Jace was the first created man in comics, maybe Wolffe was inspired by him, somethings like the close relationship with Plo Koon, scar in head got in worst time, being survivors of cruel wartime, care for their troopers, royalty for Republic, and denying the Empire and Sith.

Guess you had a history already Master Plo. You were already dad.

Plo: What?

#star wars #plo koon #jace dallin #commander wolffe #my headcanon

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