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Hi! I saw some icons you made of Hunter and i really liked it!! I don't know if you're still making those, but could you make some of aroace hunter (toh)? Thanks! :}

Of course!!

Order served :)

Hey, do you still do requests for pride icons? If so, could I request some gender non-conforming/bisexual Luz, transmasc/bisexual Hunter, and femme/lesbian Amity icons? Thanks!

Absolutely!!

Anyone that can make transparent edits, I’m begging u pls pls make some from these hunter frames

hii hope you don't mind me asking but why do you hate huntlow?? (genuinely curious) I personaly love the owlhouse and kin hunter and it's one if my favorite ships :0

I was just going to not answer this ask as I feel like I've repeated the many reasons I hate hunt/low in the past, but I realize I've never put it all in one place. I'm going to start by linking some asks or posts of mine that are a smorgasbord of things I or others have pointed out regarding what's wrong with the ship itself for some reference points.

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And I'll add my "Hunt/low Trope Bingo Card" that gives us a fun diagram of multiple problematic tropes that Hunt/low falls under

Let me start of with the ship itself. Hunt/low quite literally makes both characters' arcs irrelevant. Willow's entire arc about learning to be confident in herself, overcome her bullying, and be strong for herself and her friends is basically entirely erased when you put her with Hunter. Her whole arc is that for a lack of better words, she saved herself and is her own person. Yes, she had the help of Luz and Gus, and later Amity after they began mending their friendship, but her whole thing was being strong and confident on her own. In concept, giving Willow a pretty boy boyfriend immediately makes her arc less impactful than if she's never paired with anyone in the story, because her story is about her own self growth. Not being saved by having a conventionally attractive boyfriend. And in practice, we actually see it happen. Willow is dumbed down and made insanely out of character in almost the entirety of the third season, particularly in FtF. She's shown multiple times throughout the end of the season (Actually, in S2 as well) needing to be physically saved by Hunter specifically when she's always been shown she can stand up for herself before. And, yes, you could argue that "Willow doesn't always need to be the strong one!", and you'd be right! But the fact that the second she becomes friends with Hunter, the way her character is written changes dramatically. We see her need to be saved over and over, and it is literally only by Hunter. If this wasn't the case, I would agree with that, but unfortunately it's not. Her growth and "revolutionary" strong-on-her-own arc is entirely negated if she is put in a relationship with Hunter.

On the flipside, Hunter's arc is just as equally, if not more, irrelevant. Hunter's arc is also about finding himself and finding a group of people that are his pseudo-family. His growth is his journey to becoming his own person, away from his abusive parental figure. In concept, Hunt/low makes all of Hunter's trauma, abuse, and loss meaningless by falling into the trope of "romantic love heals all", which is both dangerous for young fans who will believe that and a slap in the face for every abuse victim that relate to Hunter. It's like saying that nothing bad he experienced mattered or had any lasting impact, because you give him a strong girlfriend and poof! All the problems go away and are solved! And I shouldn't have to explain why that message is insanely harmful. As with Willow, we see this happen in action as well. Any time there's a nod to Hunt/low in the show, Hunter's trauma immediately doesn't seem to matter. This is shown the clearest when he is literally not allowed to grieve Flapjack's death because it "upsets" Willow and he has to run after her to comfort- and later save- her. The writers actually made it so that Hunter is made to feel guilty for showing sadness about Flap because it made Willow feel like she "can't do anything right", making the entire scene about how he had to save her and put his grieving of Flapjack to the side. I think as an abuse victim, this is the one thing about Hunt/low that makes me the angriest. And to dip my toes into a later point- fan creators that ship Hunt/low also do this in their fanworks. Moringmark is a BIG perpetrator of the Hunter abuse denial rhetoric.

The way they are intended to be written, these two arcs contrast each other, not complement them. It makes no sense for them to be shipped. And further, the context & content we get in the actual show has a staggering lack of depth or intention. Every interaction they have feels out of character and as if their personalities have to be entirely re-worked for them to even interact- and those are just the miniscule amount of times they actually interact. There's almost no actual content for Hunt/low in the show, it's never acknowledged by other characters how they do with Lumity and Raeda, and they literally almost never interact in the show until FtF. There is no logical reason that anyone should assume they were even interested in each other (aside from Hunter's blink-and-you-miss-it blushes) and you could probably count on both hands how many times they actually interacted with each other on screen both before the Day of Unity, and until FtF. And I'd go as far as to say that when they do interact, they barely even act like friends. Willow spends almost the entirety of TtT ignoring Hunter (assumably unintentionally, but they almost never interact and the episode was literally based around Hunter as one of the main characters in it) aside from the hair cutting scene- which contextually made no sense to be done by Willow- and the after-possession scene- also made no sense contextually for him to have his head on Willow's lap. She literally makes fun of him at one point, with Amity being the one to basically say "guys that's mean, Hunter I don't want you to get made fun of by others please change". How does any of that read as a healthy or loving ship? Much less even a friendship. By the time they get to the Human Realm, Willow and Hunter have interacted, what, maybe three times? Once during ASIAS (Where Willow forgives him way faster than she should have for her character, when she literally took months to fully forgive Amity- and Ami didn't kidnap her), Once during LR (Where Willow literally is shown as not caring, liking, or trusting Hunter until he says something that proves he was with Gus), and then on the mission with Luz & co. to rescue Amity leading to the Day of Unity. The ship both in context & in practice completely obliterate not only both characters' arcs as stated above, but also wreck their personalities, making them every other generic girl and boy in a generic m/f ship.

Moving onto the fandom in relation to Hunt/low. Let me set the scene. This show, The Owl House, in and of itself is for a Queer audience. That doesn't mean cishet people cannot enjoy it, but it is a silent "stay in your lane". TOH was REVOLUTIONARY for Queer mainstream media with the main character being the first main character on an animated show by Disney to be openly Queer. Luz is openly bisexual and has a girlfriend! She comes out to her mom! Her adoptive mother, one of the other 3 main characters, ends up in a canon relationship with her Highschool Sweetheart, a nonbinary person, and is ALSO openly bisexual! So why is Hunt/low treated as if it is the "third main ship" on TOH, when it ISN'T EVEN CANON. Why is it treated as if it's on the same level as Lumity and Raeda!? Why are there fanartists and other creators that ONLY draw or write Hunt/low!? It's insulting honestly! And I, as a queer person, am being so dead serious. it's fucking insulting. And the way Hunt/low shippers treat people that don't ship it is disgusting. Their go-to defense tends to be "Crying Wolf", or claiming any kind of "-phobia" they can to make their ship seem "more valid". You have no idea the amount of times I and my mutuals have been called "biphobic" or "fatphobic" or any number of other insults. When more often than not, It's Hunt/low shippers that I see ignoring Hunter's bisexuality, or worse, disparaging people for shipping Hunter in a mlm relationship. Or worse- saying certain ships (Huntric/Goldric) are inc/estuous because of Aladarius, which also is not even canon (And neither is "Dadrius" while I'm at it, but that's a totally different argument for a different day.). I see them use his bisexuality as fodder constantly. And I won't even mention the mischaracterization by every single Hunt/low fan I've ever seen, making Willow anywhere from Girlboss to Tradwife or Mom Girlfriend, and Hunter from Malewife to Wet Cat to Protector Boyfriend.

The crew also did not help the situation at all. Multiple Storyboard artists or other crew members have openly admitted to attempting to (or succeeding to) force Hunt/low into the storyline, always at the scolding of Dana who would make them remove it or tone it down as it didn't fit her vision of the show. I've seen multiple crewmembers say this- it's not just a one off thing. Or the crew member who once said she didn't care that the ship name "Winter" (the crew's ship name for Hunt/low) made it hard to block/tag because she liked how it sounded. It's just. I've seen so many instances of Dana's crew being that disrespectful to her and attempting to push their own personal feelings and ideas into the show against her wishes.

I could probably go on forever, so I'll stop here. But yeah. That's the basics of why Hunt/low is a shitty, harmful ship.

https://twitter.com/MikeCatSU/status/1758028067526820170?t=I3jgGLz0AVE5_G99dXv3cw&s=19 OMFG CHECK THIS OUT. THE STUPID ASS HL KISS WASN'T EVEN IN THE SCRIPT I'M ????

I. I don't know how to nicely or politely say that that is one of the most self righteous, disrespectful things I've ever seen. I'm unfortunately not surprised, seeing as Mike is THE most disrespectful storyboard artists that works at Disney, constantly skirting around creators' wishes and scripts to push his own visions and ships and having to be told over and over to tone shit down or take it out of storyboards for it. But what more can you expect from a guy that worked on Steven Universe- you know, the show that had so many disrespectful and button-pushing storyboard artists & crew that we had a whole fucking scandal about one trying to force lapidot into the show. He clearly didn't have very good role models 🙃 Either way, that shows that it still, clearly, isn't canon and that this guy is just THAT disrespectful that he waited until Dana no longer had rights to the show and what Disney made and posted from it & the characters to finally, finally forcibly add his own personal ship into an actual published TOH work. Because he'd been trying to do it the entire time the show was airing, with Dana constantly telling him to take it out or tone it down (along with other storyboard artists as well). He waited until Dana could no longer tell him to take it out/was no longer the one making the final call since she's been very vocal about moving on from Disney and TOH since they own the rights now. Really fucking disrespectful and stuck up IMO. I've never liked this guy, he's always left a bad taste in my mouth and gave me for a lack of better ways to explain it "brony vibes" lmao. So genuinely I am not at ALL surprised by this.

I hate how hunt//low shippers try to put down Goldric by saying it's incest, and I'm not even a Goldric shipper.

First, Alador and Darius aren't even canon. Alador and Odalia seem to be the only straight characters in the show. Darius may have a crush on Alador but it seems one-sided. Canonically, Alador doesn't show any sign of liking him back. It's crazy because from just one blush from Darius, the hunt//low shippers can interpret the further scenario of Alador and Darius getting married and raising the four kids including Hunter. It's the same as saying Gus will marry Bria because he blushes at her once! And Hunter isn't canonically adopted by Darius. He is just a good adult figure that cares about Hunter and Hunter looks up to him like a parental figure. It's like when a child have good relationships with other good neighbors, suddenly the kid is adopted?!

Unless Darius canonically marries Alador with real kiss scene and Darius legally adopts Hunter just like how Eda adopts King in the show, Hunt//low shippers have no rights to say Goldric is incest and problematic.

First off, I want to say that even if Darius and Alador had canonically gotten married at the end of the series & Darius canonically adopted Hunter, that doesn't automatically make Hunter and Edric brothers. If one of your parents married someone else with a kid your age in your late teens, would you feel any kind of familial attachment to them? No, they're just be someone that is the kid of someone your parent married, that you most likely also feel no familial attachment to. They didn't grow up together, they weren't raised together, there's nothing there?? It's just another way for Hunt/lows to be lowkey homophobic without taking the flack for actually being homophobic because "see! there's a reason for it I promise!!" and at the same time it's another way for them to cry wolf on "those dirty anti-hunt/low shippers". It's really transparent and very obvious of them, honestly.

Yesss willumity!! Luz gets two cute witch gfs!!

Anon, you’re so right

There not being any Raeda in the chibi Valentines short actually makes the dumb h/l moment worse to me, since it would’ve been much more in character for Raine and Eda than Hunter and Willow.

YEAH, plus it's actually canon and another very good queer relationship that we should be celebrating. Let me have old queers in love, not a non-canon, straight "passing" ship. Plus, aren't all the other ships in the chibi short main characters of the shows they're on? Meaning it makes more sense for Eda, a direct main character on the show, to be featured with her partner rather than just a "main cast" character?

Im just saying

Willumity > huntlow

You are so right tbh

y'know by your logic by two of your posts, that means lumity isn't explicitly canonically lesbian / bisexual right? you can't cherry pick here unless you don't see them canonically as les/bi either

You. You mean.

I imagined this whole scene? In my head?

puts face in hands. the dana hunter and willow art makes me seethe

LITERALLYYYYY I JUST

And why post it after like a year lmao

Hi! Where have I been you ask? Apparently sitting in front of MatPat at my shelter's yearly major fundraising event getting drunk without realizing until one of my girls' husbands pointed out who he was.

Oh and then our work group therapist (our coworker's mom) got in a bidding war with him over a trip to Mexico