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spngeorg · 2 years

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Episode 63: 4.03 In The Beginning

Or at least, In the Beginning as it stands in canon until we find out about the earliest events in creation... but this is early enough to be getting on with for the current storyline. :’D

Sam is barely even in this one, off doing shady shit with Ruby. Dean is told to “stop it,” but not what “it” is. He assumes it’s something to do with his parents, something that happened in the past, and runs smack into the knowledge that Mary was raised a hunter and made a deal with the YED that led to all the events in the series to this point... it’s a lot, folks...

But Dean also learns that as a baby, Azazel dripped demon blood in Sam’s mouth, and THIS is the information Cas warns him about when Dean returns to the present. THIS is what Dean must learn-- what on earth Sam is up to with Ruby-- and THIS is what Dean must stop. And if he can’t stop Sam, then the angels will...

Things that may be of interest:

The Superwiki page for this episode

My tag for this episode

but mostly these four posts:

https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/173464045535/how-do-you-feel-about-the-idea-that-there-is

https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/185613732715/403-in-the-beginning-which-is-actually-either

https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/187579858080/in-4x03-when-dean-goes-back-in-time-a-guy-says

https://mittensmorgul.tumblr.com/post/650814269410213889/they-literally-set-john-up-as-an-asshole-from-the

Casting sides for Mary, casting sides for John, and casting sides for Deanna

the transcript of the commentary track with Kripke and Carver from the bluray/dvd extras

And once again, I’m nearly a day late posting. This time I’m blaming it on the brain fog. Everything should be 100% back to normal next week!

Listen now on AnchorFM, or wherever you enjoy podcasts! :D

#spn 4.03 #spn podcasts #spiders georg of the tnt loop

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quwarichi · 2 years

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people are talking about how a mindwipe is such a lazy option for John not knowing Mary is a hunter, and I AGREE, and i am also 98% sure it's not going to be a mindwipe - at least, not between 1972 and 1973. So while we don't know if the show is going to do the 4.03/1973, this whole post is gonna assume that they are.

Though the idea of John going through repeated mindwipes is hilarious, it is kind of lazy, and Robbie Thompson, our FRIEND, isn't lazy. He's fun, he's innovative, he likes a loophole. So I found one for him.

Why do we assume that in 1973 John doesn't know Mary's a hunter? I allowed myself to puruse the episode. The only evidence I can find that might imply that is Mary saying:

MARY Okay, wait. There's things you don't know about me, John.

SUSPICIOUS! Is what I would say if I haven't read the summary for SPNWIN, which says:

But secrets run deep for both the Winchesters and Campbells

Secrets run deep? Deeper than hunting, mayhaps? This isn't the only thing that leads me to believe there will be no mindwipe between the years, for example we have no actual proof that John doesn't know about hunting. Him being confused about Dean asking about sulfur and cold spots might just be because this random stranger that may or may not be stalking him is asking him weird questions. During the diner conversation with Mary, he just offers to talk to Mary's dad about their relationship. Samuel implies during the dinner with Dean that he thinks John is a civilian, which could just be the cover Mary and John used because John is a Men of Letters and they're notorious for not liking hunters. And that's basically it for John not knowing about hunting things. There's actually a scene that leads me to believe Robbie might incorporate:

MARY runs up to JOHN and throws herself into his arms.

JOHN Hey, you – you okay?

MARY You promised you'd take me away.

JOHN Of course I did.

MARY Do it now.

Mary in the prequel wants out. She wants to leave the life. Maybe John promises to take her out of it? Come on, it'd be cute. See the country together.

Then again, I have no idea what's going to happen. Jensen said it'd be twists and turns to arrive at something instead of using the straight road. I'm excited.

#spnwin speculation #prequel stuff #prequel things #the winchesters #spnwin #supernatural prequel #mary winchester #john winchester #spn #spn 4.03 #spn 4x03

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scoobydoodean · 8 months

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Season 4 of supernatural is just dean sleepy sleeping and Sam sneaks out and then Dean wakes up with Cas standing over him like

“what were you dreaming about”

#pk rewatches spn number?#4.03 #and cas is my best friend #dean sleepy sleeping

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deancasforcutie · 1 year

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Cas: talking about what could tear them apart

Dean:

#OR: the epic slow-burn love story of two disaster men who each never understood what the other was talking about #dean winchester #castiel #destiel #supernatural #spn #spnedit #parallels #4.03 #6.10 #7.21 #8.07 #8.17 #9.01 #15.15 #15.18 #mine

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ardentpoop · 21 days

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samuel campbell, family man

#3rd shot. this show knows what it's doing sometimes. the creep factor here was very much intentional #spn #6.16 #6.01 #4.03

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lower-the-volume · 1 year

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in the beginning

#castiel #dean winchester #spn #supernatural #Samuel Campbell #mary campbell #john winchester #4.03 #s04e03

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lampgate · 2 years

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not even a minute into the episode and cas is already in bed with dean shut the fuck up i hate this i need to shield my eyes

#mandy rewatches spn #4.03

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mpregjohnwinchester · 10 months

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amy winehouse - i heard love is blind

spn 1.16 // spn 4.03 // spn 14.18 // spn 2.02 // spn 1.21 // spn 7.13// spn 1.21

#is this anything?#i got carried away lmao #johndean #johmary #dean v mary #at his side and drunk on pride #spn edit #again can't believe i'm posting this

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ballsdeepinturbohell · 7 days

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SPN 4.03 - In the Beginning

Balls deep…..

#why he looking at him like that #cas my beloved #dean winchester #sam winchester #spn #supernatural #castiel #destiel

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castiellesbian · 1 year

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Robbie Thompson:

7.06 Slash Fiction

7.12 Time After Time

7.20 The Girl with the Dungeons and Dragons Tattoo

8.04 Bitten

8.11 LARP and the Real Girl

8.17 Goodbye Stranger

8.20 Pac-Man Fever

9.04 Slumber Party

9.11 First Born

9.18 Meta Fiction

10.05 Fan Fiction

10.11 There's No Place Like Home

10.18 Book of the Damned

10.20 Angel Heart

11.04 Baby

11.11 Into the Mystic

11.16 Safe House

11.20 Don't Call Me Shurley

Jeremy Carver:

3.04 Sin City

3.08 A Very Supernatural Christmas

3.11 Mystery Spot

3.14 Long-Distance Call

4.03 In the Beginning

4.11 Family Remains

4.15 Death Takes a Holiday

4.20 The Rapture

5.03 Free to Be You and Me

5.08 Changing Channels

5.15 Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid

5.18 Point of No Return

8.01 We Need to Talk About Kevin

8.23 Sacrifice

9.01 I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here

9.23 Do You Believe in Miracles?

10.01 Black

10.23 Brother's Keeper

11.01 Out of the Darkness, Into the Fire

#supernatural #writers tournament #polls #technically the carver poll hasnt ended yet but i super doubt humphris is gping to get 700+ votes in 10 minutes

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dotthings · 6 months

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4.03 "Alone in the world"

Fringe doing an episode about cordyceps.

Also I stfg that exterior location is the same spot used for the entrance to The Bunker in spn.

John Noble is so heartbreaking in his portrayal of Walter as he keeps breaking down over his Peter hallucinations and his growing attachment to this little boy Aaron who got emotionally linked to the cordycep. Walter calling Aaron Peter by mistake. Walter utterly convinced he has gone completely out of his mind until Olivia reveals she's been seeing this same person in her dreams. Both of their emotional links to Peter are very strong.

#Fringe #Fringe tv #Fringe rewatch

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mittensmorgul · 2 years

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Hello, I'm hoping you can help with me something if it's not to much. I watched the pilot of The Winchesters, but since I haven't been active in the SPN fandom for almost 2 years, I forgot a lot of details about the show. Could you possibly give me a list of episodes that are good to rewatch, relating to Mary/John/MOL etc? Or if not, could you direct me to someone else I can ask? Thank you! :D

Hi there!... Welcome back to the spn universe!

It's probably a lot to catch up on, but I think the most important things related to this prequel are likely going to start with the two episodes where Dean, and then Sam and Dean both, travelled back to their parents' lives:

4.03 In the Beginning, and 5.13 The Song Remains The Same

Those are the points where we saw them, and that will likely overlap with The Winchesters canon-- the events of 4.03 only about a year into the future from where we saw them last night. I can't wait to see how they handle it!

After that, it's probably your choice... Things with Samuel Campbell might be of interest, but that means s6.

Later seasons episodes with Mary could be interesting as a compare/contrast to what we learn of her past now.

Episodes about the MoL and their history could be important too. We don't know an awful lot about them, but most of what we learned was in 8.12 As Time Goes By (also important for Henry! as is 9.17 Mother's Little Helper). Not really about MoL stuff specifically, but you could also throw in 9.04 Slumber Party (because yes a little about the MoL, plus written by Robbie), 10.19 The Werther Project (when good MoL go bad and create evil hungry boxes! definitely a theme around here...), or even 9.16 Blade Runners (again, Cuthbert Sinclair breaking bad over power and locking himself up in a custom immortality box... or however you want to view his magical hideaway).

At this point, I might even throw in 13.17 The Thing (just for speculation on what the Big Bad might be, also for more MoL history tho), 14.11 Damaged Goods (because Mary had a demon trapped in a box with a similar concept to the one we saw them find in last night's episode), and probably 5.14 My Bloody Valentine (for the reveal about how John and Mary were set up, coincidentally while hunting down a very "hungry" being who intended to "devour" humanity... very much what we've been informed the new Big Bad intends as well...).

If you get through all of that, just watching some of the "flashback to Sam and Dean's childhood" episodes is probably a good idea, too. :)

Good luck!

#the winchesters

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idontwikeit · 3 years

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