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kydoesthings1 · 3 months

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McGillis and the Pied Piper

because February 24th’s Wordle was piper and I am procrastinating on school work

At 16:57 of S2E21 (E46) Gaelio says this to McGillis before charging him.

(Gaelio is speaking through the comms offscreen.)

(Apparently this line was also used in a game. I forgot which one. I don't play Gundam games.)

Gaelio literally says something along the lines of "Are you still going to play the pipe of Hamelin even when the battle is going like this?" Not sure why this is the subtitle. But they mostly mean the same thing so maybe I'm just nitpicking.

To refresh your memory a little, this is when the Revolutionary Fleet is very clearly losing to Arianrhod, and McGillis just made his pep talk and this iconic frame. They are preparing to retreat and regroup when Gaelio shows up to fight McGillis.

Gaelio referencing the Pied Piper of Hamelin (Hameln, same thing) is of course connected to McGillis's and thus his love of myth/folk tales. Because of McGillis's influence, Gaelio also has a strong liking for stories. He names himself and Gundam Vidar/Kimaris Vidar after Vidar, the Norse god of revenge and silence, son of Odin and slayer of Fenrir (Fenris, same thing but IBO uses Fenrir) the monster wolf son of Loki during Ragnarok. The same side story 'Eve of Vidar' also tells us he used to hit on girls using Norse mythology fun facts, including Yamazin Toka when he was a test pilot for the Schwalbe Graze.

Although these are relatively common knowledge for us, the viewers, they are probably niche facts however many years in the future the Post Disaster timeline is (in UC0079 Hitler and WW2 is considered "middle ages" despite being historically quite recent for us). This is one thing Gaelio and McGillis have in common and it is because of McGillis.

(Also this is kind of a weak diss? Like if you're gonna insult McGillis why compare him to something so cool. "Snake on the moon" - now that's an insult. But I digress.)

But what is the Pied Piper exactly? The Pied Piper, or the Ratcatcher (der Rattenfänger) is a legend of the town Hamelin in Lower Saxony of Germany. There are dozens of variations of this tale, but I'll only be talking about the most popular versions that relate to the events of IBO.

In 1284, Hamelin had a rat problem. Basically there were a whole bunch of rats, and they made life suck for the townspeople, as large numbers of rats tend to do. According to Robert Browning's poem, the people were mad at the mayor for not being able to solve the problem, and were about to kick him out. Then a man wearing a coat of many bright colors (Browning's version says yellow and red, both in McGillis's palette at some point) and holding a pipe showed up. The Piper promised to get rid of all the rats in exchange for 1000 guilders. He then played his pipe and all the rats came out and followed him into the river Weser and drowned.

The townspeople did not follow through on their end, however, and came up with all sorts of excuses to not give him the promised 1000 guilders. This angered the Piper, and he played his pipe again, and this time all 130 of the town's children came out and followed him away dancing and they never returned, nor were they ever seen again. Versions disagree on what happened to the children. In the Grimm Brothers and Browning's versions they went to Transylvania. Others say they went to a land like paradise in a cave. Others say they drowned in the river like the rats.

So how does this relate to McGillis and IBO? Well actually it's pretty obvious - Gaelio is simply saying McGillis is luring Isurugi, the Revolutionary Fleet and Tekkadan to their doom with false promises.

However, the point of this post is to point out some interesting details of this parallel. The Piper lured the children of Hamelin away as an act of revenge on the adults of the town because they didn't pay him what was rightfully his for his service. McGillis's coup can be framed as revenge on the corrupt system of the world Gjallarhorn maintains, and those who personally victimized him.

Interestingly, some accounts describe the Piper as "a miracle of God" and that he was sent to test the townspeople, and punish them when they didn't keep their word. Others call him the devil in disguise, who intended to trick the people and take their children. This is like how McGillis can be seen as a charismatic leader aiming to change the world for the better, or a ruthless, cold-blooded, lying, backstabbing, power-hungry traitor who will stop at nothing.

Additionally, Bael, the demon king, is a fallen angel who was cast out with Lucifer for rebelling against God, and Gundam Bael's gunpla box describes it as "a demon with the appearance of an angel" (this could also apply to McGillis himself).

In many versions of the story, some children are left behind. Which ones exactly vary, but Browning's focuses on a boy with a broken leg who couldn't keep up with the other children, so he was able to tell the villagers where he saw them go. The boy said they went into a portal on the side of the mountain, and on the other side was a paradise where everything was beautiful and peaceful. The boy was very sad he couldn't join his friends there because now he was all alone and couldn't return to that land.

Sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it?

In the epilogue, Gaelio is in a wheelchair and his bandaged neck suggests that his Alaya-Vijnana implants had been removed fairly recently. Supplemental info reveals that McGillis injured his spine during their fight at Edmonton, and Gaelio was only able to be up and about in S2 thanks to his AVS.

If the land the Piper and the children went to is Heaven, then this could be read as Gaelio being the only one not to follow McGillis into death, and being the sole survivor of his friends (for the sake of this argument Julieta doesn't count because Gaelio wasn't fighting for or against her).

An important difference is the boy longed to follow the Piper, while Gaelio rejected McGillis because he schemed to kill him and his friends.

The Piper's other name, the Ratcatcher? Tekkadan are space rats?

Also McGillis's true name Montag, presumably his surname before Iznario's adoption, is German for Monday, hinting at his heritage, and the Piper is a German story (obviously).

The Pied Piper is a legend that originated in the Middle Ages, and Gjallarhorn's leadership, ideology and overall aesthetic is reminiscent of that.

There is a version of the story that the Piper will return in 300 years. Which he did not do, but 300 years? McGillis, the self-proclaimed successor to Agnika Kaieru after 300 years?

I can't be bothered to write a separate piece on Gaelio's legs so I should also mention that Vidar, the Norse god defeats Fenrir by stepping on his lower jaw with his shoe made from all the collected pieces of leather people cut from their own shoes, and grabbing his upper jaw and ripping him apart at the mouth.

Vidar's special shoes are like how Gaelio says he’s carrying all the wishes of Carta and Ein, and the AVS Type-E also serves as his literal feet. (Also he wears very striking white thigh-high boots that are very hot. What they're not is part of the Gjallarhorn uniform, just to make this connection, in addition to exacting revenge in style.)

In many carvings, Vidar is shown stabbing Fenrir through the heart also, and Gaelio/Kimaris Vidar defeats McGillis by pinning him against the Arianrhod flagship and stabbing him/Bael through the torso.

Proposed origins of the Pied Piper

Now obviously there was no piper guy dressed in goofy clothes that stole all the children of a town with magic music. There are several theories about what the legend is based on. This has nothing to do with IBO anymore and I just thought it was fun so feel free to stop reading if you don't agree.

Plague: According to this theory, all the children died because of illness and the place they went to is a mass grave. The Piper's many-colored clothing represents the sores and discoloration of skin of those who contracted the illness, and he is the personification of the plague/death. Rats are carriers of fleas, which spread the plague. 1284 is a bit too early for the Bubonic Plague (Black Death) though, so it may have been something else.

Emigration: The emigration theory suggests that much of the people of Hamelin moved to eastern Europe in search of better opportunities as only the eldest son had inheritance and the others could only be serfs. In this theory, "children of Hamelin" are not actual children, and it's just a figure of speech to say they were of a certain place. This correlates with some versions where the Piper and the children he took were sighted in Transylvania.

Human trafficking/the Children's Crusades: In these two theories the Piper is the recruiter/trafficker and the story was made up by the town to please their officials.

Dancing mania: There have been records of dancing mania in about the same time period in the surrounding region, and children were among the affected. Dancing mania can sometimes result in death due to exhaustion. It was originally attributed to a curse by a saint (St. John or St. Vitus) and you had to pray to them to lift the curse. Modern explanations for dancing mania are neurological disorders or collective mental disorders.

Pagan ritual: supposedly the pipe music and dancing children are part of this ritual that took place in the mountains, and the children died from a landslide or similar accident.

"You're reading way too much into Gaelio's one line" no actually I am reading exactly the right amount into it and everyone else isn't reading into it enough

#mcgillis fareed #gaelio bauduin #iron blooded orphans #gundam iron blooded orphans #gundam ibo

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gremoria411 · 10 months

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So I realised something - two things in fact, today when thinking about Iron Blooded Orphans again.

So, Gaelio, having realised that his Schwalbe Graze isn’t enough, pulls out the Bauduin family Gundam, the Kimaris, with which to fight the Barbatos. Mcgillis (as Montag) expresses amazement that Gaelio did this, and surprise that Gundam’s are fighting one another. However, his tone is rather dry, suggesting that, while surprising, such a situation is not an unthinkable one.

So, could there have been other fights between Gundam’s post-calamity war?

The other thing is that, while we’re told that there’s 26 Gundam’s known to still exist in P.D. 323, at the start of the series (I *think* it gets pushed up to 31 by the end, since Flauros, Gusion, Vual, Asmoday and Hajiroboshi get unearthed or revealed over that timeframe, but I might have forgotten one), we don’t know for certain that all of the missing ones were destroyed during the calamity war. It’s possible some were destroyed in the intervening 300-ish years, whether by politicking (think the Warren’s and Nadira’s being shoved out along with their gundam’s) or by some other conflict (it’s of course possible that not everyone was completely willing to accept Gjallarhorn’s rule postwar, no matter what the state of things).

So it’s possible that other Gundam’s have been discovered or lost since the calamity war, and they could have intervened in numerous other conflicts in that time. Mcgillis himself notes that Gundam’s “have appeared numerous times at historical turning points and have been a great influence on the history of man”. Not “the machines that won the calamity war”. It’s of course possible that Mcgillis’ romanticism makes him a biased source, prone to flowery descriptions. But. It does seem to indicate that the Gundams have had influence beyond the Calamity War already by P.D. 323, thus implying other conflicts they’ve been involved in.

I don’t know, it’s just cool to think about (and possible fodder for sidestories set prior to tekkadan’s formation in 323).

#gundam #ramblings #gundam iron blooded orphans #ibo #Gundam ibo #Gundam kimaris #iron blooded orphans

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thrashz · 2 months

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Some kitbash mobile suit drawings! These two are called the Baphomet and the Galgallin!

List of the used mobile suits in the cut!

Baphomet

Head: Grimgerde (ibo)

Neck + feet : Michaelis (gwitch)

Shoulders: Schwarzette (g witch)

Arms + lower horns: Schwalbe Graze (ibo)

Hands: Barbatos Lupex Rex (ibo)

Chest sides: Aerial Rebuild (gwitch)

Chest middle + abdomen: Infinite Justice Gundam (SEED Destiny)

Waist + legs: Calibarn (gwitch)

Tail: Ghiraga Custom (AGE)

Galgallin

Head: Thielva (AGE)

Halo: Schwarzette (gwitch)

Neck + chest: Calibarn (gwitch)

Shoulders: Lfrith Pre-Production Model (gwitch)

Arms + hands: Gundam F90 (Gundam F90 manga)

Lower abdomen + upper legs: Gundam 00 Shia Quan[T] (Gundam Build Fighters Try: Island Wars)

Waist: Jesta (Unicorn)

Lower legs + feet: Ninpulse Gundam (Gundam Build Fighters: GM’s Counterattack)

#and by kitbash I mean taking different offical gundam ms and cobbling them together to make these guys!#the only free handed part was the baphomet’s horns LOL #also my god . idk how ppl draw mechs like normally this shit is insane. took me FOREVER!#draws #kitbash #custom mobile suit

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lilenui · 2 months

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Shino, Yamagi and Eugene give some adorkable meta commentary on the Mobile Suit Gundam: Try Age cards:

[Shino] and Try-Age "It's amazing, isn't it! I can't believe there's a card of mine that can be used in a machine called Try-Age!! If you use it, you'll be able to admire my cool and brave figure! I'm so excited! My card must be more popular than Mikazuki's or Akihiro's! Whoever gets it is super lucky, they must be so happy they won't be able to sleep tonight, right!? (Norba Shino) [Yamagi] and Try-Age "This is Gjallarhorn's....... this helps a lot. I think the try age cards are very useful as mobile suit data, even if they are just for fun. As usual, we don't have a lot of leeway, so we'll use whatever we can ...Um, in that case, if you have any other cards, could you please give them to me? Like Shino's Ryusei-Go ...they're based on the same Graze model, and I was wondering if I could have one for comparison." (Yamagi Gilmerton) (Isurugi's Schwalbe Graze card)

[Eugene] and Try-Age "Huh, if you take this card to a machine called Try-Age, you can play with it like fighting with mobile suits. Since this one has Gusion Rebake drawn on it, does that mean there are other cards with Isaribi as well? .....Whaat, you don't have any~! Sure its a battleship, but it moves super fast you know? Let me show you next time, it's fine, it's fine! That's the authority of the deputy boss! (Eugene Sevenstark)

#gundam #gundam ibo #gundam iron blooded orphans #norba shino #yamagi gilmerton #eugene sevenstark #ibo #Try Age #Yamagi being Yamagi #Shino being Shino #Eugene being Eugene

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robedruby · 10 months

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HG Mcgillis’s Schwalbe Graze

#gunpla #gundam #gundam model #i’m really bad at photography #ibo #gundam iron blooded orphans #iron blooded orphans #bandai #mecha

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autumnbrambleagain · 1 year

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oh hold on that model rules which kit is that

if you are asking about the most recent one, it's the IBOHG Schwalbe Graze McGillis Custom

the other one is the Danazine

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nerdherd4 · 2 months

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Number's and capacity in IBO

It's always interested me That you'll have times in the Gundam franchise when we will get stats about mobile suits and ships like how many were produced and deplored or how big a mobile suit compliment a ship can handle for people who like having exact numbers however, at least I find that some of this information is kind of lacking in IBO of course part of that is down to my inability to read or translate Japanese so the information I seek could be out there I just can't read it. Like for other Gundam shows, there are art books for the IBO anime that give sketch art and layouts of buildings and vehicles which some of I think have been translated onto the wiki pages the rest I can have fun extrapolating about based on what I know.

Mobile suits

I think it’s been established that mobile suits in IBO while usable are expensive to maintain partly for development and maintenance costs then compound that with the fact that Gjallarhorn is the only one allowed to produce Ahab reactors to power them. I went back and noticed that other than organizations with a lot of capital like Gjallarhorn, Teiwaz, or the Zan clan you can't have them in big numbers, and even for those big groups resources can be limited, a few examples I could think of are the noble families of Gjallarhorn just keeping their family Gundam in the vault 'cause they don't have the money to maintain and use it, it ‘s also been said that the EB-05s Schwalbe Graze had a high operational and development cost and Teiwaz was only able to produce 44 STH-05 Hyakuren even with the cost saving of just salvaging reactors from the debris field, granted both the Schwalbe Graze and Hyakuren are well-performing machines. In the case of both organizations it seems like they were able to also mass produce more dumbed-down versions of their more sophisticated suits like the STH-16 Shiden or the EB-06 Graze or the really dumb-down AEB-06L Hloekk Graze for everyone else seems like the only other option was to salvage leftover suits from the calamity war mostly Rodi and Hexa frames while maybe easier to find seem to still require upkeep.

Ships

In terms of ships it doesn't seem like we get a lot of exacts they give the number of mobile suit catapults but other than that all I could find in terms of mobile suit capacity was the skipjack-class being able to carry 10 suits but that's when the sketch and designs come in they give more detail, looks at the hangers for Halfbeak-class ships I can't really say for sure looking at the sketches and going back and looking at the show I'd say maybe six that get hung on those clamps you see there.

there is also the half beak-class owned by Jasley Donomikols which opposed to the gjallarhorn models having the hanger at the bottom of the ship it appears that the front of the ship has been along geared to accommodate all the mobile suits but really we only get a look at the launch Bay so I don't really know, however Jasley did say that they outnumbered Tekkadan so I'm going to guess high teens low twenties.

when it comes to armored assault ships like the TIR-0009 Hammerhead or the NOA-0093 Isaribi The number of suits seems subjective in the sketch below you can see three mobile suits lined up maybe you can fit a fourth in there.

The thing is I also remembered something and went back to watch the sixth episode of the urdr hunt game and when Wistario and his crew pick up the Ahab waves of the Rakou Pirate ship they detect one armored assault ship and six mobile suits so my guess is 4 to 6.

Trying to guess the number of mobile suits on the NOA-0132 Hotarubi was a little trickier 'cause even with being a Teiwaz subsidiary I was under the impression that Tekkadan wasn't that rich to afford a whole bunch of suits at once don't think they had a full stock before they broke with Teiwaz so I'm just guessing on the number of hangers and mobile suit bays which based on the concept art there are eight hangers on each side with at least six mobile suit bays in each that make for a total of forty-eight possible mobile suits.

I know at the end of the day this is just nitpicking but like I said for people who like exact numbers like me to get a better scale of the world for more detailed storytelling information like this is appreciated.

#gundam iron-blooded orphans #gundam ibo #g tekketsu #tekketsu no orphans #iron blooded orphans #nitpick

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dragon-snoots-a-boopin · 2 years

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This is one of my favorite mobile suits from Iron-Blooded Orphans. This is Mcgillis Schwalbe Graze in the 1/100 Full Mechanics line!

#modelling #scale model #1/100 scale #gundam #mobile suit gundam #iron-blooded orphans #full mechanics #schwalbe graze #anime #gunpla #bandai #bandaihobby

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wordsandrobots · 9 days

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Topping off my work on this project for the weekend, I thought I'd have a go at throwing together my current ideas for the custom model that's the whole point of building the Schwalbe Graze to begin with. This is very rough, and I haven't yet decided what to do with the feet, so they're absent for the moment. But overall . . . yes, I think this is going to work.

#gundam #gunpla #schwalbe graze #graze frame #custom #gundam ibo #g tekketsu #wip #fanart #blender #my art

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murumokirby360 · 5 years

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HG 1/144 Mcgillis`s Schwalbe Graze - IRON BLOODED ORPHANS- Gunpla Review 鉄血のオルフェンズ

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gundamfight · 2 years

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#Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam #Zeta Gundam #Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team #Gundam Ez-8 #Gundam 00 #Graham's Union Flag Custom #Gundam Wing #Altron Gundam #Unicorn Gundam (Unicorn Mode)#Gundam Unicorn Mobile Suit Variations #Gundam Delta Kai #Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans #Schwalbe Graze (McGillis Fareed/Isurugi Camice Custom)#Gundam Barbatos #GN-X #Gundam Build Divers Re:RISE #Valkylander

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darkbrind · 6 years

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A picture of my Schwalbe Graze. I think Grazes are my favorite grunt suit.

#Gundam #gundam ibo #iron blooded orphans #gunpla #1/100 #no grade #Graze #Schwalbe Graze #McGilis's Schwalbe Graze

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gremoria411 · 6 months

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The poor decisions don’t stop, since I decided to start Gundam Ibo Urdr Hunt while watching 0079. (Though realistically, it seems I’ll just end up putting 0079 on the back burner for a bit). This was motivated by Four Factors:

The announcement that they’re actually going to do something with the series going forward (I’m *hoping* for a full series or compilation movie, but I can’t guess at how practical that’d be, since I don’t know what the series is like yet). Regardless, I felt I should at least watch the series so I have an opinion on it. EDIT: I’m betting a compilation movie, there’s a lot of reused animation, and a lot of the parts lacking animation are conversations.

I already bought the model kits of both the Marchosias and the Asmoday purely on the strength of their designs, and I kinda want to decide if the Hajiroboshi or Cyclase’s Schwalbe Graze are similarly worthwhile (I’m slowly coming around to the Graze), since now’s probably the best time to go for them.

I kinda really want to know what’s going on with Cyclase Mayer. I really liked Mcgillis, and so I’m interested in seeing what a similarly designed character is going to be like in Post Disaster (plus, he’s a serious-faced man in a business suit, so he’s probably going to be fun to watch just from a broader perspective, given what characters in this universe typically have to deal with).

I haven’t actually been that excited about it, which annoys me. Maybe I didn’t see much hype, maybe it’s too close to Witch from Mercury/ the SEED Movie, or maybe I’d just gotten a little too settled in Post Disaster

Also, I just watched the opening for the first time and feel like I should jot something down;

Do each of the rings come with a maid? And Cyclase has two of them? Is he just trying to put a maid household together by collecting all the rings?….…….is this a Gundam harem anime? (I mean I know they’ve been trying to diversify lately, but still….)

Obviously it isn’t, but the thought did briefly cross my mind as I watched the opening.

*the following contains spoilers for the first four episodes of Gundam Ibo: Urdr Hunt*

I’ve watched the first four episodes, as of writing, so I’m just going to jot down a few thoughts;

I like how each of the maids is shown to be different in personality. Berose’s so obviously unhappy with her posting and Parstai actively manipulates things to get a better owner for the Urdr hunt ring (granted it didn’t take much). And then Korunaru’s just cheery by comparison.

I kinda expected the Zan Brothers to be a comedy side-act - a duo of bumblers pursuing the Urdr hunt, based on their aesthetics (very flashy). As such, Rome murdering a human debris for failure and Aiko barely concealing his hostility toward his idiot brother were both very surprising, and a welcome addition.

I didn’t expect I’d like Range’s suit, the Enzo, as much as I did. It feels like someone took the Hexa Frame used by the Hugo and made an actually solid mobile suit out of it - Range loses because he’s outclassed, not because the design is lacking in any particular way. It’s balanced, well armed and has a neat aesthetic. Good job guys.

Similarly, I really like the design of the Monkey Rodi’s. So sleek.

Alright, so I’m assuming the Chairman of the Board for the Omden Colony Company is Torrado Omden? Regardless, absolute peak character design. Man looks like an overgrown toddler and I hate him for it. It really sells him throwing away resources and lives on this thing as…… sorta casually despicable? Like it’s a bad financial quarter?

Overall, I’m really enjoying it. But I do have two criticisms I want to note at this juncture. Though I’m reasonably certain that it gets addressed later, Wistario Afram (is it Afram or Afam? I think it’s Afam, but Afram just rolls off the tongue better) is just kind of the least interesting of the Urdr Hunt participants we’ve seen so far. Like, he wants to use the money to rebuild the Venus Colony into a major tourist attraction. That’s a solid, achievable goal, and the way he talks and acts makes me feel like it’s less about “can he do it” and more about “how will he do it”. I don’t mind that angle, but it’s very different from everyone else around him. Range is trapped working for a company that will cut him off for any perceived failure, and he’s grappling with the fact that it’s not the solution he thought it would be and that he’s got more in common with Afam than his employers. It’s a good angle, as he slowly re-examines what his place in the world, and the crushing pressure exerted by both the Colony Company - a very powerful organisation, as evidenced by the fact that they consider the grand prize of Urdr hunt to be pocket change; and that exerted by the Hajiroboshi itself, a Gundam from the Calamity War. Meanwhile, 598 is enamoured with the idea of becoming like Tekkadan, showing the far-reaching influence they have, however, he’s forced to re-evaluate his own actions and who they’re truly for - in doing so, he can realise who his enemies are and actually take steps to free himself from their control, and from there take’s the first step to becoming like his idols in Tekkadan. They’re both very compelling characters, and it’s just unfortunate that Wistario can’t seem to eclipse that. It could be that we were just told how bad the situation is in Venus, rather than shown - a few shots of the prison’s might have helped, or showing how they affect the populace.

That said, now that I come to write this all down, both of their origins are somewhat similar to Tekkadan (598’s for obvious reasons) - it’s possible that I’m only rating them as highly as I am due to the familiar elements. With that in mind, it is possible that Wistario may offer a fresher perspective on the world of Post Disaster.

My second criticism is one I’ve mention before, regarding Noisy Fairy; Don’t call someone “character A” it’s stupid, because the message it sends to me is “this person isn’t worth caring about”. If a character is worth caring about, they’re always called “mysterious girl” or “???”, so “Girl B”, “Mercenary A” and “Board Member C” are just worthless. Does it cost more to give them names? Do named characters denote different rates for their voice actors or something? It’s just really immersion-breaking, because it creates the sense that named characters are the only ones that matter.

(Also Radonitsa Colony being essentially a prison colony is great, because it roughly parallels the real- life British Empire’s treatment of Australia, though granted without any natives).

#gundam #ramblings #gundam ibo #Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans #Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans Urdr Hunt #Wistario Afram #Range Dubrisko #598 #Enzo #Monkey Rodi

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