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saintseiya-thoughts · 6 months

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ALRIGHT SO !!

Shiryu as Hadès and How His Character Could Have Had More Screentime (this is going to be long and like...not even half of what I have to say sorry)

First of all : Shun is actually a good character for Hades, the whole kind guy turning into World's End Maker was a good plot twist BUT character wise he was already pretty central and full fleshed, Shiryu otherwise....erm (I rlly love Shiryu but he gets so bad/forgattable after Sanctuary...sick) + don't forget those are the main plotlines !!! I have a whole developpement in my head but you don't want to read a whole novel so please bear with me

I feel like he was tossed a bit of the side after the first arcs and it genuinely makes me sad, his character is a bit alike to Shun's on some points but except losing his sight every five episode well...he's not as well developped as Shun lmaoo 😭 that's why I believe it could have been interesting, even without the whole developpement points who are hard to add in a show like this, his character could have been a little more than what he is...Shun has a pretty shiny role, Seiya is the mc, Hyoga has a familial story or something like this every arc, and Ikki also has meaningful parts in fights/story, while I feel like Shiryu was often here because well he had to, but doesn't have a role that big (minus maybe in Asgard, but here he was a bit of an ass with fenrir for no reason so um 😭)

Anyway so ! First of all, Shiryu is the only one without a known family member (Seiya -> Seika, Shun -> Ikki, Hyoga -> his mom), no real backstory, nothing (thanks Ohko for trying at least, genuinely it made Shiryu's character rlly much cooler) so I decided to change it to give him at least something ! Also the necklace trope is also included but I won't extend myself on it, you guys know how it works

Changed his whole non existent backstory in the AU, basically, instead of being an orphan with the other kids, he would have been taken home by Dohko, who would have protected him from Pandora and Hades when his parents died from their attack (I always saw Shiryu as Chinese, I scrapped the whole brothers trope bc I don't like it + it's manga only) Dohko is a powerful Saint and could have done that.

I feel like he'd know Shiryu was like...different, his job is looking at the reincarnation of the Specters so yeah, he felt it. But killing a child, right after Athena was taken away and almost killed ? Yeah...no...he'd feel too bad, and would take Shiryu with him instead, keeping it to himself in hopes a good teaching and keeping an eye on him could prevent anything bad from happening (almost worked ig, oops)

It could make an interesting plot point with Shiryu and Dohko's dynamic, because as much as Shiryu likes him as a parental figure and master, he knows he's keeping secrets from him, and would feel some resent when learning about the truth y'know ??

After that it doesn't change much from the plot, except when it comes to dynamic within the Bronze group : Shiryu is sent to check what the hell is going on with the Galaxians Wars (a bit like Hyoga did in the manga), Ikki makes a whole ass mess, etc etc. Also it'd "explain" how Shiryu was so eager to end Ikki's life : he doesn't know him like the others do. For him he's just a threat to put an end to, which would be interesting dynamic wise too...Seiya would try to integrate him to the group, Shun, while understanding his view, would feel some kind of discomfort BEFORE trying to learn to know him better (I love their friendship srry), and I feel like he'd connect with Hyoga with the whole "My dad is a Gold Saint and while I love him well sometimes he tends to be a bit weird with me" and with Ikki I have a whole another plotline but I can't sum up that. This post is already long enough. Anyway the dynamics would have been changed and I think it's interesting to learn to know characters through someone who doesn't know them as much as they do know each other ?? Honestly most of the developpement is made in my head here are just the big lines

ANYWAY, back on track, nothing changes that much from the og anime before Hades (or it does change in my head because Shiryu was badly written in those ‼️or not written at all idk) and...yeah 😭 whole big mess...Dohko has to explain to Shiryu how and why he kept like...HUGE stuff from him all his life in order to protect him, also to Shion because "why the fuck didn't you say anything" (he cares for the kid and was afraid Sanctuary would take him from him), also I don't really remember how the whole Pandora plot point was made in the thread I made with the person on discord (sorry it was in march but I remember Pandora has a different plotline than in the og anime) but starting here it's just, yeah kinda the same I guess !! Except for the Ikki part/dynamic with Shiryu, but ONCE AGAIN it's a part of my Shiryu/Ikki plotpoint and it'd be too long (before some ask, YES, Ikki stops himself from killing him, because YES, Ikki cares about his friend group), also if it sounds silly sorry, but he sometimes (in the og anime) had a bit of extreme reactions, was willing to go pretty far to protect the people he cares about (Fenrir, Ikki...) and it could be a bit of a hint to his soul sometimes awakening to his Hadès self... He's not like, cruel or really mean, there's just sometimes something off about him, he sometimes "shifts" slightly and ppl can't really pinpoint what it is (not sure about this one does it make sense ???? Idk)

The most important parts of this AU are basically the developpement of his character through that "newcomer" lenses, learning to trust the others, and overall develop a more meaningful dynamic with them and giving him a bigger role !! I know it sounds a bit "Saint Seiya, everything is the same minus Shiryu is Hades" but there's more to that I swear, it's just hard to explain like this without making huge walls about dynamics

(Can you tell I'm shitting myself. Please don't be rude rlly, if you don't like the idea just ignore !!)

#this is way too much plot and developpement for sts i'm sorry LMAOOO i know all of this would never have fit inside the show #ALSO DON'T BE MEAN OR CRITICIZE THIS I'M NOT A BETTER WRITER THAN KURUMADA OK I JUST THINK SHIRYU DESERVES MORE SHINE #erm erm anyway this is a bit personal to share damn.... anyway 😁 hope it wasn't TOO bad i did this at midnight while playing flash games #sorry if it's disappointing !!!!! personally it makes me happy #kotz #knights of the zodiac #headcanons #cygnus hyoga #dragon shiryu #pegasus seiya #andromeda shun #phoenix ikki #hades saint seiya #saint seiya au

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elfecassepied · 5 months

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What if... Ikki and Shun swap cloths?

Aka Andromeda Ikki and Phoenix Shun au

It's an ua I see pass by time to time and I really love it, I wish there were more contents about it. So I decided to give it a shot with a brainstorming post. Maybe I will write a fanfiction with it one day.

WARNING: I do this without having a re-watch of the full series or a re-read of the full manga. It will be full of spoilers, piece of all type of Saint Seiya contents even non-canon ones and my headcanons/theories. Enjoy the ride :)

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Ikki failed to convince Mr. Kido to switch Shun's and his faith. On this faithful day Ikki takes the boat to Andromeda's Island and Shun to Death Queen Island.

Now we know that the cloths have some kind of spirit/sensibility because they can choose their saint and "speak" in a sort of way. I believe this spirit is an echo of the original mythic entity behind the constellation. Since the greek mythology happened in Saint Seiya's canon.

ALL TO SAY. Andromeda watched anxiously at the brothers were separated. She always knew one of them will be her chosen saint, if Ikki awakes his cosmos successfully she will accept him with open arms. But Phoenix was more a picky chooser, even if he feels a connection with the boys it doesn't mean he will be soft.

I don't think the Phoenix spirit is about hate and revenge as Ikki's master said, the man only projected is own cruelty on the cloth. If it was the condition Phoenix would have rejected Ikki early in the series as he lets go his rage and hate.

On the contrary, Andromeda and Phoenix are the two faces of the same coin, that why they can bound with both of the brothers. They share this idea of sacrifice and reborn. Phoenix knows that something has to die and to be sacrifice for something new and stronger to rise from these ashes, he's willing to throw himself in death's arms to come back stronger, able to protect. Andromeda knows the way of resilience, that sacrifices need to be made for the greater good, she's willing to give up her own life to protect what she cherishs and to insure their safety.

On Death Queen Island Shun faced hell, half of the island is controlled by black saints and the other one is under his master, which is worst. Esmeralda was his anchor and so he was for her, two of the kinder hearts reassuring each other that yes goodness is still here, that there is more in the world that this blind hate the master teaches. Shun never wanted to hate anybody, neither to hurt them, but days after days his feelings toward his master became more and more... complicated. He didn't HATE him but as he hurts non stop his own daughter and the other disciples the boy starts to really really want him AWAY. Away from all of them, away from everybody so he couldn't hurt them anymore. Shun just didn't know how much away it need to be.

Then the others boys died or ran away to join the black saints - but he couldn’t run, he needed this cloth, he promised Ikki -.Then his master said that the only way for him to go back to Japan with the cloth was walking on his dead body. Then he killed Esmeralda because she tried to protect him.

For the first time in his life Shun felt pure, powerful rage. His heart was aching with sorrow and blind hate at the same time and it hurt so much and so indescribably that his cosmos burnt like it never did, like an eruption, or like pyre.

And in the ashes of this broken heart rise the Phoenix who for the first time in forever answered his call. A lot of sacrifices have been made, maybe even too much, and all sacrifices needed a payback so they won't be in vain.

Shun barely remembers killing his master, but he hates (truly hate) the feelings associated with this particular memory. The rage, the pain, the sadness, and then the emptiness as he watched the corpse, the disgust which made him throw up next to it and the, far more horrifying, satisfaction, knowing this man paid for his crimes and will never hurt anyone anymore. He was scared of himself, of what he can do, of what he did. He took another person life, just like his master used to do, now how was he different of that man?

The next days were at best blurry, he took back the Phoenix cloth the black saints had stolen, wearing it for the first time, it slightly calmed his racing heart as the cloth recognised him as its saint and anchor the bond deep into his soul.

I don’t know if he kills black saints on his way for the cloth, for the following arc to happen he need to have them at his side, so to gain their respect. But I wan’t to stay in character and I think even as the Phoenix saint Shun will kill as little as he can. However he certainly beats their ass, puts the fear of gods in their hearts and traumatises them in a way that made them sleepless for the rest of their life.

Then he received the letter from Kido’s corporation inviting/convoking him to the galaxian wars and he went ballistic. How dare they, after everything they (he) have to go through, to play with their life and their destiny once again like if they owned them ? They better be prepare because he’s coming, all claws and teeth out and cosmos raging as magma, for them.

On Andromeda Island Ikki faced hell, days hot as Sahara and nights cold as Siberia, but at least his master, Daidalos/Albiore (I’m not sure which one to use), was a good teacher, severe and rigorous but never cruel. On the contrary all the other disciples were brat, except for June, June was tough and the only one he liked a bit. He was clearly the strongest one of the group but his master was never satisfied, always telling him he missed something, telling him he didn’t understand sacrifices which made Ikki want to scream at his face. How could he doesn’t understand lose ? He, the boy who losed the last thing he had while coming here ?

Everything he did again and again tasted like defeat but he couldn’t abandon, he promised Shun. So in the last days of his formation, after his master repeated him that no he wasn’t ready to claim the cloth yet for months, Ikki used his last chance, the sacrifice. This ritual wasn’t really use these days, it was more common for the student to wait for his master approval but he didn’t have the time for that, six years had passed and he needed this cloth now.

Unlike what it can seem the most difficult part of the sacrifice was patience, waiting hours under the sun on chains, waiting for the tide to come, waiting with only his doubts turning non stop in his head. When finally he was under water he immediately started to drown, he knew he was strong but the panic of choking on salt water clouded his judgement and no matter how hard he pulled on the chains they just wouldn’t cede.

And in the desperate calls of this devoted boy drowned Andromeda who once again answered the prayer. Sacrifice wasn’t about fighting back, it was about letting go for something dearer in your heart than your life.

Ikki stood out of the water, chains in his hand and a cosmos profound and dangerous as the waves. Andromeda cloth had waited almost a decade for her saint and when he finally came, true to her words, she accepted him with open arms.

He wasn’t particularly interested by the little show the Kido planned but if it was the way to see his little brother again then he will participate even twice. As the tournament advance he saw, fought and reconnected with familiar faces but never the one he wanted to see more than everything.

Until he did. The little boy he knew and cherished, now surrounded by traitor saints and stealing the gold cloth, looks down at him with a crooked smile, a burning cosmos and eyes that now seems so empty. He stops his chain and stays deaf to his calls.

“Please ! Shun I know you.

-I don’t think you ever did.”

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Okay so I kinda lose control and started some angsty shit. I will try to calm down and had the rest of my thoughts by tirets.

-Shun is in a complicated place at the start of the canon. He genuinely thinks he does the best for everyone (at least for the other bronze and he) following what he learnt the hard way on his island: Kidos can't be trusted and neither can be the Sanctuary. He still unconditionally loves his big brother but has also been convinced he's now a bloody monster Ikki would hate and reject so he didn't even try to reach out to him.

-Don't know what to do about Django (leader of the black saints), in the manga Ikki kill him while taking his cloth and in the anime he comes back killing him later as the man tried to refund the black saints. I think either way Shun will ultimately need to kill him even if he doesn't really want to because he need to learn that sometimes a death is necessary to protect other lifes, he couldn't fight in the Sanctuary arc if he didn't learn that before.

-Ikki will probably be closer to the other bronzes than in canon, like he’s already the big brother now that he doesn’t loiter at the other side of the earth he becomes the parent friend of the group. In this au he’s more open about his feelings even if he’s still reserved so bounding with them is easier.

-Linked to that question not sure if it will follow the anime route (the kids are randoms picked by Mitsumasa Kido) or the manga route (they are all half-siblings and Mitsumasa is their father) because it will change the dynamics.

-things will probably stay the same till Sanctuary arc (at least close to the manga because Andromeda is such a damsel in distress in the anime it’s a crazy running gag). But I don’t know if their fights against the golds needed to be swaped or not. On pros: Shun get to be closer to Shaka which make more sense for the future-virgo-saint thing, he is the one with the armure which can reappear itself for the final battle against Saga, he will probably be in the I-need-to-save-them-at-any-cost-to-apologise-for-my-shitty-behavior mindset so it makes sense for him to do that, the whole fight against Aphrodite is about avenging Daidalos/Albiore's death and in this ua he's Ikki's master. Cons: the most homoerotic HyoShun scene of all time will be Hyoga and Ikki and I don't know how I feel about that, the whole twist in Aphrodite's fight is that it reveals Shun's true power he hasn't using and I think even as Phoenix and Andromeda respectively Shun will limit his cosmos and Ikki will be a 100%-or-nothing bitch like in the canon... Meh still need to work on this question.

-the fights in general is something I need to work on.

-Shun is youngest kid going in his rebel phase coded.

-Shun is still Hades’ mortal because why wouldn’t he be?

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I will probably do more post about this au in the future to go deeper in the different arcs. Maybe it’s a good occasion to re-watch the series.

PS: Shout out to @kainshana because it’s their fanart for saintober which give me the motivation to put into words what have been doing roller coasters in my head for x time.

#saint seiya #saint seiya au #andromeda shun #shun andromeda #phoenix ikki #phoenix shun au #phoenix shun #andromeda ikki au #andromeda ikki #swap cloth au #let’s spread this au #because I hate to prepare my own food

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alternativeuniversess · 1 year

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Saga and Kanon headcanons?

Gemini twins Headcanons

(TW: Twincest)

Saga likes summer but Kanon prefers autumn.

Saga didn’t like to cook so Kanon learned how to cook for Saga. (Cute)

Saga’s favorite dish is Spanakopita (greek food over all)

Kanon dislikes fish (after spending many years in Atlantis he really hates fish)

Kanon’s favorite dish is roasted potatoes with a steak.

Kanon likes to play video games with The bronze Saints (he and Ikki are very competitive with each other)

Saga likes to spend time with Kanon doing nothing, he could take hours just laying down next to Kanon while holding hands. (Kanon likes it too)

Kanon and Saga share clothes.

Saga is bisexual, Kanon is pansexual.

They have a polyamory relationship (and each one has their partner) but they are not ready no introduce they’re partners yet.

Kanon used to be the jealous one.

Saga doesn’t like lying, he has a problem trusting people so he is truthful with everyone

Kanon likes to watch Romcoms movies alone

Saga and Kanon sleep together, they can’t sleep separately (even when they are with their partners they struggle to sleep without the other)

Kanon likes to gift Saga flowers, so he created a garden for him.

Saga likes to gift Kanon expensive things like clothes, watches, shoes (he loves sneakers)

Kanon dislikes sunmer and doesn’t like to walk near the ocean alone.

Saga loves the forest.

Kanon is best friends with Ikki.

Saga likes to talk with Seiya, he likes to take afternoon walks with him. And Seiya always ask him for dating advice.

Every once in a while Kanon and Saga travel to a secret place so they can have freedom to love.

Kanon doesn’t want kids of his own but Saga does and they used to argue about it but not anymore.

Kanon owns a motorcycle and Saga is not enchanted by the idea

Kanon and Milo do road-trips with their motorcycles

Saga reads for Kanon on rainy days

Kanon loves Saga more than anything that’s why he forgive him.

Saga loves Kanon and can’t forgive himself so that’s why he spoil him and pleased him everyday.

They have a secreto word when one is horny and needy craving for the others ass.

The secret word is “ypnáko” (nap)

“Oh my God look at the time Aioros I am so sorry but I think I need to take a “ypnáko” Saga you coming?”

“Oh yes, I think I have to fill some reports and I don’t wanna sleep late today, Bye!”

And that’s how they lock themselves in the Gemini temple to have a long and sweaty “ypnáko”.

I wasn’t sure about what you exactly wanted anon but I like this pair, and hate me or not but this Twincest is something special.

#saint seiya au #saint seiya headcanon #gemini saga #gemini kanon #sea dragon kanon #Saganon #SagaxKanon

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xitpenumbris · 1 year

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Sukuna and Yuuji as the twins that arrive to the sanctuary, selected to compete for the Gemini cloth. Sukuna as the superior twin, with the strongest cosmos and fighting skills, smart and capable, seemingly polite. The obvious succesor for the cloth.

And Yuuji, hardworking and painfully good, that is seen as the weak link. The one thing holding Sukuna back, shunned and kept in the shadows, like a dirty little secret that could taint the bright future his twin had ahead of him. And Yuuji takes it all in stride.

Supports Sukuna in the only way he has left, by staying in the sanctuary by his side, even as he desperately wants to stray. Be free from the scorn of the world, to become whoever he wanted to be.

He stays, trains in the hopes of becoming stronger, to become Sukuna's equal again.

And Sukuna... Sukuna covets more everytime, more of Yuuji and more of the world. Vows to become the next Pope and rule at Athena's side, replace the deity altogether and become a god.

With the power to do as he please, give Yuuji the life he deserves. As brother, as consort.

But the current Pope sees the darkness in his heart, names another Golden Saint as his successor and, enraged and undeterred, Sukuna gets rid of him and takes the place that he believes is rightfully his. Plucks out the obstacles and pesky little pest.

Gives Yuuji the chance to live, for real, for a few months. Before his ravenous heart becomes alight with jealousy and possessiveness snd he deems it a necessity to lock Yuuji away once more, build the illusion of freedom for him, out to see and be seen, but never to be reached.

Unaprochable, unattainable for anyone but him.

So he declares Yuuji is to train to become the next saint of Pisces, the closest to Sukuna, pretty and deadly.

Both flower and poison.

#sukuita #saint seiya au #xit writes

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strongheartmaid · 1 year

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bleh - the bunnies have hie-thee-hither off to parts unknown. I still want to write that Seiya/Nutcracker thing I started. Although, a part of me is eyeing a WoW version with Anduin as the Nutcracker (as a way to explain where he flaffed off to for three years >.>)

#Nutcracker AU #saint seiya AU #world of warcraft au #decisions #both have merit - just need to figure out which one is better

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doodlingwren · 2 months

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@triko-the-fluffy-artist @floaromaxtowns WHaT HaVE YoU DonE tO mE?!

Silly fanart of the family from Triko's fluffy AU ( •̀ ω •́ )✧ (their designs are based on this drawing)

#wren draws stuff #art #fanart #saint seiya #saint seiya fanart #knights of the zodiac #los caballeros del zodiaco #les chevaliers du zodiaque #saint seiya fluffy au #aries mu #taurus aldebaran #appendix kiki #aldemu #* sigh * tagging this as #furry #what have I done #haven't drawn a furry in years but there was an attempt alright

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midostree-art · 16 days

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So I tried to draw Pharaoh in an anthro sphynx monster way and I will try again because I like it 😔

#saint seiya #Sphinx Pharaoh #my art #sketch #monster au #maybe hehe #but it's only him

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triko-the-fluffy-artist · 2 months

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🌟SAINT SEIYA FLUFFY AU🌟

Milo [Scorpion]🦂

BUG BOY JUST DROPPED!!!

Big fan of the fangs, first time doing a BugSona but here we go, short chrunchy boy ready to sting and bite, yes he has no nose becouse why would he, and the patterns on his body are inspired by his gold cloth! I had so much fun with this one!!!🌟

IF YOU WANT TO JOIN IN USE THE #saint seiya fluffy au

And now the guessing game for the next one begins...👀

#fanart #saint seiya #saint seiya fanart #art #furry #saint seiya fluffy au #scorpio milo #milo fanart #scorpio #furry fanart #furry fandom #fursona #bugsona #furry anthro #anthro #trikomics

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saintseiya-thoughts · 5 months

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Bronze Saints positions if they were in a kpop group or something this came to me in a fever dream (reminder for non kpop stans, position go main > lead > sub)

Visual is like, the pretty one, and maknae is the youngest, it's not exactly a position I like Seiya being the youngest ‼️

Also I tried to go with the vibe, tbf I have no idea what I'm doing except having fun...I don't even know if it's an actual AU or anything. I say kpop but idol group is probably more accurate idk ??? Do other idols group have positions like this ?? There's this french group with big inspirations from kpop but isn't actually a kpop group who has positions like this so idk I guess it's something like this !!! 😭 this is just a silly post...

Seiya - Main vocalist, sub rapper, maknae

Shiryu - Main dancer, lead rapper, leader because let my have my leader Shiryu dreams

Hyôga - Lead dancer, lead rapper, maybe sub vocalist ?? Idk, but he gives an all rounder vibe kinda

Shun - Visual, lead vocalist, sub dancer

(Ikki would be a manager sorry, no way you'll see him dance and sing on scene he's not giving idol AT ALL)

#sorry for being terminally ill (a kpop stan)#LISTEN TO NOBODY BY SOYEON WINTER AND LIZ IT'S A BANGER ‼️‼️#this content caters to me and me only i also have hcs about photocards. autism be damned #i wish i could share this to a 35yo straight guy saint seiya fan honestly that'd kill him on the spot #kotz #knights of the zodiac #cygnus hyoga #andromeda shun #phoenix ikki #dragon shiryu #saint seiya au #pegasus seiya #if this leaves my target audience lowkey like the dance post i'll lose my marbles please #I KNOW 67 NOTES ISN'T BIG BUT FOR ME IT IS especially when i thought it'd flop since it's really random

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