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seventeenlovesthree · 6 months

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SPOILER HEAVY REVIEW/FIRST IMPRESSIONS/META FOR DIGIMON ADVENTURE 02 THE BEGINNING MOVIE

So I had the privilege to watch the movie on release day and I have thoughts. Very unfiltered and out of order and knowing myself, my opinion will definitely change upon discussing, contextualizing and rewatching it, but... I need to get that first impression out of my system, maybe already link it with a few things we've previously known. So the following text will go through my experience in the cinema, the course of the entire movie and my personal opinions, so...

READ THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SPOILERS. LOTS OF THEM. ALL OF THEM.

(A/N: There will also be trigger warnings about child abuse and violence/gore/blood, so again, please be warned and read cautiously if you choose to do so.)

Alright, first of all, this was one of the special screening events all over Germany and, obviously, the majority of people who watched alongside my friend and me were nerds around my age. Those who used to watch the German dub back in the day - which was just a wonderful experience in general. The cinema wasn't completely sold out, but there were still lots of people! And I was there in my pseudo-Hikari costume nobody recognized, heh.

Before the screening, the event - hosted by KSM, who are responsible for the German dub - held a little trivia quiz! Which was pretty neat, they had questions like "What does Digimon stand for?", "What year did the plot of Digimon Adventure take place, when was 02?", "How many Tri movies are there?", "How many Digimon seasons exist in sum?", "What is te production company of Digimon called?", "What does the title of the first Tri movie - Saikai - mean in German?", "What is the first theme song called in Japanese?"

(The season number was a trick question since they said, including Tri as separate season may or may not count, but I had issues with this one too. And I had actually forgotten what "Saikai" meant...)

They handed out Blu-Ray copies of Kizuna for the right answers - and I actually won one by answering when the German dub of Adventure aired in Germany for the first time correctly. Good old 2000... I'll never forget that.

Then the movie started - I still don't really know how to go about this, so again, excuse the looseness of my rambling;

First of all, the German subs were okay, but once again a little loose and too quick/not accurate here and there. For example, when Tailmon audibly said "Hikari", the subs said "You are right". Not to mention that you HEARD them use the Japanese names, but the subs used their English dub names.

In the scene that was already shown to audiences last year, Takeru was talking about Koushirou not getting enough sleep and Hikari added that when she called Taichi, he scolded her since he was busy. The German subs outright skipped Hikari saying "Onii-chan", and made her just say "he". So... It sounded like she, too, was referring to Koushirou. Very weird...

Okay, to the stuff we haven't known yet!

If you asked me what this movie was about, I'd probably say: It's a story of child abuse and the consequences of miscommunication (and wishes). In several directions. And oh boy, the meta analysis to be written about this will take a while to conduct, because while the stuff appears to be "pretty on the nose" on surface level, it definitely CAN go deeper. The third theme of the movie is "the power of friendship" - and water is wet, obviously!

So we know about the giant Digiegg in the sky that has been floating there for a week. There is the message "Everyone should have friends and a Digimon partner" displayed on all kinds of screens. We see that Taichi and Koushirou are doing PR work while the 02 kids are hanging out in Daisuke's (employers') ramen restaurant until they see Rui on TV climbing Tokyo Tower, holding a Digivice. So they rush to save him as he falls - just to be greeted with annoyance and ignorance.

He tells them that he killed his own partner, that partnerships between humans and Digimon are a curse and should not exist. Miyako can't accept that and tells Hawkmon to stop him before he can leave.

So Rui goes: "Ah, how obedient. You are doing what you're told without questioning it and you probably like it that way."

We can tell - there is baggage there. Lots of baggage.

They later learn that the Digiegg may be Rui's partner after all - and since he claims that he climbed up there to talk to it, Daisuke is obviously super fired up ("You have balls, I like that", the cinema laughed out loud) and wants to help.

So of course he drags his boyfriend Jogress partner with him and they fly up there with Paildramon - just to get attacked by the egg and fall into a portal to travel back in time. What follows is them seeing Rui's backstory. And once they're back, he elaborates on it further.

At some point, my friend nudged me and asked me the following: "Do you also feel like you're watching Madoka Magica?"

Yes. Yes I did. 300%. I already assumed it'd be the case, since I initially thought Rui would be a time-jumping Homura and Ukkomon just another version of Kyubey. They even share lots of visual cues respectively, so it was not unlikely to happen, right?

... I was only half wrong there. Rui is not (intentionally) able to jump through time at this point. And it's actually not the kind of multiverse story I initially expected. (Even though there WILL be a change in the timeline, but we will get to that later.)

Ukkomon - is definitely Kyubey though. It appears in front of Rui on his 4th birthday. Which is on February 29 1996, meaning he is a leap year child. The Hikarigaoka incident took place a year prior - but he wasn't part of it.

TW Child Abuse

Rui lives in Hikarigaoka too. He's coming from an abusive household - his father is in a coma, and his mother may or may not have developed a bipolar disorder due to the stress, because she can be sweet one moment, and snaps completely the next, screams at him. Rui has marks of physical abuse all over his body and appears rather ruffled and malnourished... So when he accidentally wets himself on his birthday, his mother throws him out into the snowy cold of the night, half-dressed, to punish him. It's jarring to watch.

He wishes so badly for things to change. To have friends. To be protected from harm.

That's when a Digiegg appears in front of him - and Ukkomon hatches, asking about his wish and a digivice appears. He is, in this case, the first child to be partnered with a Digimon.

A Digimon that is capable of fulfilling wishes. Because it is connected with a godlike entity... Where have we heard THAT before...?

So what happens? Rui wished for friends. Rui wished for protection.

Suddenly, his mom starts being nice to him again. His dad wakes up from the coma. He has his Digimon by his side, who protects him from bullies and every type of harm. All Ukkomon says it wants is for Rui to be happy. To make him smile. To make sure to make him lots of friends who are just like him. That's all that matters to it, obediently following the initial idea, literally without questioning.

If you watched Madoka Magica (and also lots of other media that involve wish fulfillment, including Miraculous Ladybug), you know that there is always a price to be paid for wishes. And that you need to be VERY careful with how you word your wishes.

It all falls apart in 2003. What happens in 2003? Diablomon strikes back. Literally. The events are shown on television, we see Omegamon fighting Armageddomon - and Ukkomon explains to Rui how happy he can be that all these kids out there are fighting and willing to die for him specifically... Because... They became Chosen Children because of Rui's wish. Ukkomon enabled their partnerships to make "lots of friends who are just like you, having their own Digimon" - and Rui is horrified by the idea. It can be assumed that Ukkomon granted the "wish" in unity with Homeostasis (as deducted by Hikari at least and that will be relevant later on when we come to tying the lore together).

And then, in the next scene, you realize why Megumi Ogata voices Rui. The Shinji Ikari vibes are real with this one.

Ukkomon goes all "I would do everything for you to be happy" and we learn... That Rui's parents are already dead. They're just puppets Ukkomon has controlled to pretend a happy family life. It can be assumed that the same goes for the neighbour children who were seen during previous birthday scenes.

TW Violence/Gore/Blood

To say that the next scene is Ghost Game levels of gory and terrifying is an understatement. "I didn't know you took me to watch a horror movie", my friend says next to me. Rui ends up strangling his Digimon, trying to choke it to death, telling it that it completely misunderstood what he wanted, what he needed, what really makes him happy, that he never wanted any of this to happen. "This is not the happiness you wished for, Shinji-kun." When that doesn't work, he tries to smash his Digivice with a baseball bat... And loses his eye in the process. Fear not, Ukkomon pulls its own eye out to give it to Rui. More blood, more gore, body horror ensues as Ukkomon starts to melt away while crying in agony and disappears completely as Rui is surrounded by blood, the corpses of his parents and his own despair.

His narration ends there. All of that has happened years ago.

And I must say, I love Hikari. I really, really do. But in that moment, when she said "Poor Ukkomon, it just wanted you to be happy", I groaned. And heavily agreed with Rui when he replied "And that makes every action okay?!"

So again, one of the core messages of the movie is the subject of miscommunication. Rui says that there is no such thing as "unconditional bonds" and that "we can never fully understand each other". The Shinji Ikari vibes are SO strong with this one. The main conclusion the 02 group comes to is that they should have talked to each other better. That they should have talked about each other's intentions and needs, etc. And of course that IS a valuable lesson to take away from in every single way, but... Hikari's initial response felt so tone deaf to me in that moment. Of course she would empathize with the Digimon, but blaming the whole thing entirely on the abused kid not "communicating" properly with his partner after he finally experienced kindness and care after all the pain is just... Part of me wants to say "Yes, Hikari wouldn't want any Digimon to suffer, she hates injustice and condemns cruelty, we went through that with Ken's Digimon Kaiser arc", but the other part says "Hikari, do you remember the time you and your brother were traumatized because you two miscommunicated as literal children?! Taichi hurt you because he had good intentions, but you two didn't properly communicate - yet you never condemned him for that either, so I guess that's where it comes from and you haven't processed your own trauma yet after all." I am obviously not saying that she should condemn Taichi for what happened, but we also know that she idealizes him and that may have been her idealizing Ukkomon too. Hikari will be a kindergarten teacher, she will probably have to deal with other traumatized children in the future too, so... It's good that she contemplates her words as soon as Rui snaps at her, you can visibly see that she's thinking about it more closely. It's important to see the whole picture here - and that picture revolves around the circle of abuse. It's multi-faceted and it's important to address topics like that.

Then the egg hatches - and turns into a giant tentacle monster in the sky. But instead of Third Impact, it just created millions of Digieggs, to give each and every single human a Digimon partner. Because that was the initial wish, right...? To create more friends and give everyone a Digimon partner - just like the message on the screens says.

The kids start to panic, if that happens, it will cause lots of chaos all over the world, forcing partnerships to happen immorally like that, so they need to think quickly. Knowing that they need to stop it. Fight it. (Spoilers for Madoka Magica incoming here: In a way, Ukkomon's countless strings also reminded me of Kremhild Gretchen, the absurdly large witch form of Madoka that was so loaded with karma due to Homura's time traveling revolving around her that she turned out to be the most powerful, most devastating witch, nurtured by despair, capable of swallowing the entire planet, if not the entire galaxy...)

But... If Ukkomon is responsible for partnerships to be formed in the first place... Doesn't that mean that all ~60.000 partnerships that already exist will vanish too?

They discuss, they think about the consequences... And good old shoujo magical girl protagonist Daisuke Motomiya decides that partnerships aren't easily broken (*cries in Kizuna*), so they gotta go for it. The thing in the sky exists because of Rui's wish - so he is the only one who can solve this. Talk it out. Communicate it out.

And after some protagonist speeches and mutual encouragement, the Digimon all evolve up to their highest available level (meaning Imperialdramon, Shakkoumon and Silphymon - but they still had to show off Angewomon's new evolution animation prior to that, because DAMN) and rush to the place of the scene. Daisuke and Ken send Rui to fly into the egg in order to have a heart-to-heart, assuming that the Digimon evolved into this big tentacle monster in the first place because it just wanted to find a way to talk. (My friend interpreted this as some kind of Skullgreymon evolution, but I will get to that again in a sec!)

Thus he jumps in, travels back in time again, THIS TIME intentionally like the true Homura he was always meant to be - while Daiken act like a married couple wishing for their son to do his best.

If you know time travel stories, you also know that you're wise NOT to interact with what happened in the past. Ken even advises not to do that when they traveled back in time for the first time. But adult!Rui talks to his mother in the past, telling her that he knows she's got it hard - but that he wants her to listen to what her son has to say, because he really loves her. That makes the switch flip and she rushes to her neglected son to hug him... Hence causing the meeting between kid!Rui and Ukkomon to never happen. So Homura basically reached Madoka this time, huh.

Ukkomon still faces adult!Rui at the time and place they originally met - and Rui says he doesn't have anything to wish for anymore... Which Ukkomon at this point already knew. They have a light-hearted little exchange, talking about the things they actually didn't like about each other, finally being honest... And that they want to start over and meet again. "But for that, you need to let go of me now", Ukkomon says.

Rui travels back to the future and tells Daisuke and Ken that they still have to defeat the tentacle monster for the sake of a happy future. Of course they succeed, don't even need any new or special evolution or artifact to do that - and Ukkomon reverts back to a small egg in Rui's hands, ready to start over. With better communication this time, breaking the cycle of abuse once and for all.

And that's where it happens: The potential lore breaking - I mean, the whole thing is already confusing enough, which I will break down in a second, but...

Since the cause of the partnerships has now been taken out of the history books - the Digivices start to disappear.

All of them. Every single one on the entire planet. We see a BUNCH of international Chosen Children we've known from 02 before (including Wallace, Terriermon and Lopmon!) watching it happen with melancholic eyes. The Digivices slowly disintegrate into small light particles that float towards the sky... In the end, the kids reminisce about what the Digivices were there for in the first place, that they were a sign for the bond and connection between them and their Digimon - and that that may have been the case in the past, but that they're not needed anymore. That they don't need any device as proof for their connection. The bond between humans and Digimon can exist without having Digivices - at least from now on. So, in comparison to Kizuna, no partnership has "ended" this time.

Then a snowball fight happens between the 02 kids, their Digimon partners and Rui - initiated by Daisuke, who definitely intended to lighten the mood a little and cheer everyone up again. In the post credit scene, we see Rui fondly looking at the Digiegg in his hands.

The end.

... Wow.

Where to start, where to end. First of all, I NEEDED to check the Digimon Adventure novels again to see what exactly the Digivices were and how the process of "choosing the children" came to be. Excuse my rambling again, because I am still trying to figure out if all of this REALLY is lore-breaking or if there is a way to tie all of this together somehow.

So first of all - yes, Gennai did not know all about this, because apparently, a kid's wish caused all of this to get amplified. Homeostasis does not have a physical form, so it created its agents like Gennai - and PROBABLY Ukkomon too. Since we know the Digital World has "wish granting" abilities, I can accept there being a singular being that is capable of doing the same thing.

The question is - was the way the kids were utilized a happy accident too then? I'll try to interpret this as well as I can, but take all of this with a grain of salt, I may be completely wrong:

So to go in order: A Digiegg gets into the real world in 1995, and Homeostasis gets to scan Hikari, Taichi and the others, discovering the potential they have - since Hikari is the child that enables the hatched Botamon to evolve into Greymon super quickly, Hoemostasis sends Parrotmon to retrieve it. Afterwards, in 1996, a Digimon like Ukkomon "would appear who had special connections with [a child] in the real world" (just like the 5 we kinda thought were the original Chosen Children). And thus, through Rui's wish, the "partnership system" was founded. Basically, Ukkomon's wish fulfillment powers enabled a system based on the limitless potential (of wishes and the bond between humans and Digimon) that was deemed useful by Homeostasis for the sake of saving the worlds. A system that wasn't in place like this before, so Rui was basically some kind of "prototype" - as was Ukkomon, kinda testing the waters of partnerships in the first place. And through analyzing the other 8 kids in the meantime, their potential had been discovered, which is why THEY also had Crests created for themselves. Like Ukkomon said - they came into existence to "protect" him, so he wouldn't have to save the worlds himself.

Takeru was the one who went "Wait, that's different information from what we have gotten!?" when Rui explains the whole situation, but I guess it could kinda make sense like this. The initial idea was based on a wish to just create "humans with Digimon friends" - and Homeostasis discovered that there is a HUGE "potential" in those partnerships since Digimon were capable of evolving faster and higher. And that also kiiiiinda explains why Gennai wasn't ever fully able to explain all of this, since - it was just very hard to explain. "You were chosen, because a kid wished for it" wouldn't sound convincing to anyone upon hearing it for the first time, right? Especially considering how often that question came up in several characters throughout the series. Sora, Jyou, Ken, just for example... They had all asked the question "why were WE chosen?" in one context or another. And now I can't stop thinking about this:

And... Even though it wasn't directly stated or alluded to in the movie, it kiiiiiiiiiiiiiinda corresponds with the neglect theory too. Since - the moment Rui wanted to end the partnership, the Digivice malfunctioned and Ukkomon just disappeared. It didn't happen the same way as it did to Taichi, Yamato, Sora and Menoa - but in a way, the way Ukkomon appeared as a giant tentacle monster, YEARS after the departure from Rui, is somewhat reminiscent of Eosmon appearing as well. And to get back to my friend's idea - yes, that also means that Eosmon and Ukkomon's tentacle form are BASICALLY like Skullgreymon, the result of neglect and corruption in their human partners' hearts. The only difference here is that both Eosmon and Ukkomon had BONKERS abilities (that were both linked to Chosen Children specifically, one of them trapping their consciousnesses and turning those back into children, the other capable of creating partnerships in the first place), whereas Skullgreymon was just terrifying...

It also doesn't completely contradict Menoa's theory from Kizuna - since, again, in the end, that was just a theory. That children are chosen "because of their potential". This can be read in both ways: their potential for the sake of causing evolution for Digimon as well as their potential to be a friend to Rui. They couldn't possibly maintain that if they "lost their ways"... (By the way, we have also disproven that "becoming an adult" makes the bond vanish, because if that were the case, Jyou would have lost Gomamon YEARS ago. I stand with the neglect theory here.)

Does that make sense? I'm not entirely sure. But stating it like this satisfies my mind more than how it felt when I left the cinema. I just wish they used more analogies and visual cues (like the ring and wordings from Kizuna) to connect the dots a bit better, but maybe I overlooked a few things.

There were a few things that absolutely got me into overthinking mode, for lore or personal reasons, but I can at least accept this theory from a lore perspective.

(Edit: On a different note, I like the idea of treating Ukkomon like Menoa in the way of her being an unreliable narrator that led to the whole "adulthood vs. neglect theory" in the first place. So Ukkomon may actually NOT even be aware that Rui WASN'T the first Chosen Child because, either it really didn't know or was manipulated by Homeostasis to claim that it's true. The reasoning behind that could be interesting to look at too... Long story short: Never take anything in Digimon at face value!!!)

As for the personal things... I saw a comment on Twitter that basically went like "It tells you a lot that I didn't even have to name the 02 kids once in an overall review". Because... Yeah, the 02 kids in particular didn't actually do a lot. They DID build up on the positivity Daisuke had already spread since the end of 02, believing in their bonds and the power of friendship and everything. An interesting aspect was also asking the question of whether or not the Digimon are acting out of free will, or if they do things out of obedience like Rui said, implying that Ukkomon just assumed his desires and completely neglected itself in the process. Hawkmon confirms that he does things because he believes in them - he DOES act very obediently towards Miyako in the movie though. But my personal opinion is that it depends on the partners and the bond they have (compare that to Jyou and Gomamon and you get a very different picture - and even Hawkmon has the ability to scold Miyako, so it really depends).

But aside from that? There wasn't as much, despite a few neat little character moments that people may or may not like, depending on their stance on certain characters (and ships as well).

Daisuke will be Daisuke will be Daisuke. He's the (endearing!) simpleton shoujo magical girl protagonist with a good heart and literally nothing but Ramen on his mind. V-mon is the exact same, they share one braincell in the most endearing way possible, they even finish each other's sentences and didn't doubt their bond for a second. ("You wanna know what friendship is about? THAT is!", V-mon says while just shaking Daisuke's hand. They're adorkable.) The bickering with Miyako is a bit of a theme there - especially in ONE particular scene...

... And that is in a scene involving Ken. For Jogress reasons, obviously, Daisuke and Ken are framed together a lot - and in this moment, Ken compliments Daisuke on being so serious and focused as he affirms his trust in Rui... Only to have Miyako ask them why they're flirting rambling so much, to which Daisuke responds veeeery defensively. (Edit: I just learned that the Japanese version ACTUALLY said "flirting", so that makes it even better, they know exactly what they are doing.) That aside, Ken is rather torn about the whole situation, he occasionally looks very troubled when the subject of partnerships is mentioned - and while they don't draw any Kaiser parallels as I initially assumed, Wormmon at least mentions how he and Ken could put their divide aside through communication. Which was a nice touch. (Also, Wormmon blushing as Ken pets him like a cat in his arms is the cutest thing ever.) And then... There is also that theme about, aside from Daisuke, another person being in his sphere quite a lot...

... And that is Miyako. They have at least three scenes in which, mainly, Miyako is the one reassuring or teasing Ken in ways that CAN be read in a certain light, but they kept it VERY tame. Again, Ken is very often framed between her AND Daisuke (and there is a moment between Ken and Miyako where Daisuke literally walks out of the frame and if that isn't meta, I don't know what is and basically, I feel like they should just have made Daikenyako canon), but... If you know, you just know. Especially with her using somewhat ambiguous sentences like "Well, let's see what the future holds, together". (I already know that a certain artist on Twitter completely exploded over that scene. It was interesting though that she had gone back to "Ichijouji-kun", even though by the end of 02, she had called him "Ken-kun" already.) That aside - she is basically the tech support in this, also there to comment on Daisuke's brashness. (Also, her saying "Goodbye, trusty D3" really got me emotional, that was tough.) And her being tech support in place of Koushirou was important, because...

... It really wouldn't have fit to have Iori do that, in my opinion. Sure, he works with computers too, just like the others do - but the scene in which he types is basically just there, because the computer room they used as shelter is from his previous high school and a superior allowed him to use it, so he simply just opened the live stream of the floating digi egg. That aside, Iori is mainly voice of reason again, nothing too major. His best scene is probably the moment one of Daisuke's snowball hits him in the face - because that's where he gets FURIOUS, it's very nice.

Then there's Takeru - and he was probably my favourite character among the 02 kids in this movie. It was already noticeable in the drama readings during DigiFes, but his main role is to be self-aware and make snide comments about things like "Oh my God, we were fighting in the open, of COURSE the media/military/whoever would see that and find us, what did you expect?!". He does that twice. (Tailmon does it too, which is hilarious. Whereas Patamon is just an innocent bean. "Patamon, you have no idea what I just said, right? "No, Takeru!") He's also driving support, as we already saw in the preview - while Daiken are riding on Imperialdramon, he drives behind them with Hikari, Miyako and Iori in the car as well. I was a bit disappointed to not have him mention his brother when the subject of "losing partnerships" came up, because he was absolutely troubled about the idea of being the cause of +60.00 partnerships disappearing, so Iori had to tell him to be rational and not be selfish...

... On the other hand, Hikari didn't mention Taichi in this regard either. As mentioned previously, I tried to rationalize her comment on "Poor Ukkomon", relating it to her empathetic personality - it DOES makes sense for her to assume that Ukkomon only did what it thought was right, since they didn't communicate properly. She thoroughly trusts in that she and Tailmon would always make their bond work through communication. To be hopeful yet also confident about their bonds. And her reaction towards Rui committing perceived injustice towards Ukkomon makes sense in context of her personality, since she probably still hasn't fully processed her own experiences. It was just jarring that she wasn't able to empathize with Rui on that. Daisuke was more open towards lending Rui a helping hand there. And hey, that is a very Daisuke thing to do - just like he was the first to reach out to Ken (and Wallace too, once he noticed he needed help and support), he was the first to reach out to Rui too. Who may have acted cruelly towards his Digimon (and that is not to be excused), but that was literally the circle of abuse, applying directly what he had adapted from his own mother. Digimon wouldn't be Digimon without trauma after all... That aside, there was not a lot to say about Hikari. She got a shot with Takeru during the snowball fight (as Ken and Miyako did), but that was it.

Long story short - the movie was fine. Visually, animation and colouring were VERY nice to look at, maybe a bit confusing at times, but that's what rewatches are there for. The sound was pretty great, the horror aspects were insane, but very well done in my opinion. The pacing was... Alright, though I'm not sure why several of Rui's leap year birthdays were skipped and that Ukkomon didn't appear in the meantime after 2003, so it begs the question of why exactly the movie took place in 2012 and not before. We also didn't really see a lot of the communication processes between Rui and Ukkomon, it was just claimed that there was miscommunication, but we don't know what else they were talking about for Ukkomon to "misinterpret" Rui's wishes. And that's where it doesn't help that Ukkomon reminds me of Kyubey so much, because its expressions are hard to read too. It's also unclear if there was actually more abuse (verbally or non-verbally) going on in the back - but it's not unlikely that it has taken place after all. So yeah, for the sake of the length of the movie, that was a lot more simplified.

I also don't reeeeeally understand why they showed the full Paildramon evolution twice. (Again, they were self-aware to some degree, because Tailmon stated "Do they really have to draw that much attention to themselves already?")

It's kinda sad that they didn't get any new evolutions. The character beats could have been even stronger, the "friendship talk" is nothing we haven't heard before, so the bonds could have been empathized a little more clearly - but then again, there is only so much you can squeeze into 87 minutes. And you could still feel the sense of togetherness, so that is perfectly fine in the end. The lore aspect is still a little difficult to wrap my head around, but seeing how I've outlined it above, I can make it work. Definitely looking forward to the audio dramas that will drop in the upcoming weeks, because a.) they will apparently contextualize more (especially in regards to Rui and Ukkomon's relationship) and b.) might allow more character beats.

Unfortunately, they may not fix my biggest disappointment with this movie. I had already feared it, but still hoped they wouldn't actually do that...

The older kids got the Tri revenge treatment. Literally. The three-second-glimpse of Koushirou and Taichi is the only life sign we get from the six older kids. Koushirou gets at least mentioned two more times, but that's it. We don't see Yamato, Sora, Mimi and Jyou. Not even during the montages. Not even when all the Digivices disappear and they show all kinds of Chosen Children across the globe. Nothing. We have no idea if Tentomon, Palmon and Gomamon are still there or not. No cameo, nothing. And that really left me with a heartache at the end, because I hoped they may at least use a montage like they did with Kizuna in the credit scene. And now I am left here craving Koushirou fretting over his phones probably also not working anymore, so he has to figure out a solution for that, gaaaaah.

That last part really left a bitter taste in my mouth and kinda soured the experience of the movie, even if the audio drama centering around Takeru and Hikari (!) may also involve Taichi and Yamato, but... It was okay. For the time being, I did enjoy watching the movie and the experience in cinema was just amazing. It was just difficult to digest. Let's see when I'll get to rewatch it. And let's hope that there still will be more content about the entire group - even without them having their Digivices.

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Digimon Adventure{s} (+02; tri.; Kizuna; {+side Adv 2020}) (2020 can be read as spin-off A.U. potentials or as canon parallels) ~ A.M.V. Preview {Version #1}: - The Only Exception (sung / (C) by: Par@more) featuring DUO/O.T.P: - KouTai (Koushiro x Taichi) – (KouxMimi appears briefly in the 2nd verse + Other charas by end, However, the focus is KouTai / specifically Koushiro and Taichi.) {KouxMimi can be read in as basically anything; canon compliant side-ship, A.U.s; side KouTaiMi or poly-ships in general; former KouxMimi mutual crushes ended on good terms?, etc.}

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I’m aware there’s quite a few ongoing and recent fan events right now that might have had Taichi or Koushiro involvement, but I was tied up with offline things; Thus, this time is an A.M.V. that is mainly Koushiro-centric, but TAICHI does get some quite good focus too, and, specifically, also their (Very Good) relationship! There is also some vid-style analysis on the dynamics of Izumi Family, as well as the Yagami Family. It’s also yet another "analysis” of Koushiro & Taichi in general, too. (Basically any of my other ships can also be read in, in varying combos.)

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Notes:

This is the preliminary 1st version of this A.M.V. Hopefully you find some enjoyment as it is now though! The 1st part had taken about 45~ min already. The 2nd verse + chorus took about another 35~ min. This 3rd section took about 30 min at start, another 1 hr to wrap up scenes through the interlude, and already had a total of 1 crashing of my editor. The last segment took about 45 min total; Thus, total time spent on this? 3 hours and 35~ min or so. These may not be final scenes as I make future adjustments. (However, it came together well despite the crash!)

There is a tiny bit of scenery shots from beginning of Kizuna, then, by the interlude, some more notable Kizuna spoilers involving Taichi & Koushiro mainly, but you will see a scene involving Chosen. Tri spoilers, mainly Taichi & Koushiro supporting each other moments, are also added in the interlude and the ending; there are small moments from Saikai, Kokuhaku & Kyousei, mainly. The ends of Kokuhaku, Kyousei & Bokura no Mirai / Our Future are not spoiled, but there is lead-up. Kokuhaku middle-end spoiler occurs in the final chorus; a scene namely showing Taichi and Koushiro supporting each other (I’ve used it often in past A.M.V.s). A tiny Bokura no Mirai moment of just Koushiro is also included.

DigiAdv 2020 (for A.U. spinoff{s}) becomes included by the interlude (it’s mainly Koushiro moments from beginning + middle of Ep 36) However, it can also be seen as inclusive of wider Adventure{s} “canon”; and basically paralleling many of the following canon moments.

{Lyrics Preview}:

Well {darling},

(Taichi’s voice calling): “Koushiro!!! Come out and LOOK at this!!”

YOU are the only ‘exception’---

And I’ve ALWAYS lived LIKE THIS, Keeping a comfortable… “Distance”

…Because NONE OF IT was ever {worth} THE RISK,

But YOU, ---

“I’ve got a ‘TIGHT’ Grip on REALITY BUT I CAN’T LET GO of “WHAT’S” {in FRONT of ME} HERE—”

{Taichi, voice shaking: “K-Koushiro!!...”}

“LEAVE ME WITH some KIND of Proof it’s NOT-A-Dream…”

“...YOU Are the ONLY EXCEPTION...”

- Mr. Susumu Yagami (on Taichi Yagami & Adventure+Tri Chosen)

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#koushiro izumi #yagami taichi #taishiro #taichi x koushiro #koutai #koushiro x taichi #izumi family #yagami family #koutaimi #mimi x koushiro x taichi #yoshie izumi #koushiro izumi is a good character #(Happy 22nd anniversary to Digimon The Movie TM aka also U.S. Eng dubs 1st release of Our War Game as well as 2nd for Kizuna today!!)#bokura no mirai spoilers #tri spoilers #(Please be respectful if interacting)

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taichi-x-koushiro · 2 years

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Digimon Adventure{s} A.M.V. [Pre-view] ~ “Boku” / “Watashi” / “Someone Just for Me” {Part 2} [Previous Parts: 1] [As this is technically still a pre-view, it is Un-finished {For now}] featuring DUO/O.T.P.: ~ Koushiro Izumi + Yagami Taichi / KouTai {Koushiro x Taichi} / KouTai / Taishiro [Also seen: 2020!Sora, Adventure Chosen, Meiko, briefly]

Audio/Dialogue (C) Chobits & C.L.A.M.P DigiAdvs ( C ) T0EI.@nimation {This is a Fan-work, and no money is being made off this work. Be sure to support both of the original series too!}

Time Spent: About 3~ hours (or a little more) on 08/07/22 My Commentary:

I have a lot of Thoughts on how Koushiro feels towards Taichi, Actually {And also in reverse, though this is mainly Koushiro’s Point-of-View.} (This part will have just a bit of Taichi perspective too, though.)

I also have a lot of Thoughts on Adventure{s} wider LORE on a grander scale, but also as it relates to Koushiro’s whole canon.

I’ll probably go back and smooth this out later, but for now it’s doing what I want it to do, and hopefully you can follow along by reading the dialogue below: (Note: Contains starting spoilers for the originating series, Chobits, though the context in this part is quite vague, and happens quite early in series.)

Scenes used come from: - Digimon Adventure [Eps 6, 21, 24, 48] - Digimon Adventure 2020 [Ep 20; Koushiro-relevant scenes] - Digimon Adventure tri.: Saikai [Koushiro-relevant moment; non-spoilery] - Digimon Adventure Last Evolution: Kizuna [Adventure Chosen moments pre-final battle; Meiko relevancy] {Briefly} {It doesn’t necessarily spoil tri., but it’s a notable moment} It DOES spoil a significant moment of pre-final battle Kizuna w/out contexts} (Though 2020 is used, this is mainly meant as overall Semi[?] Canon-compliant, but 2020 Chosen can be in their own Time too...)

- Dialogue (Preview):

- As expected, there isn’t anyone in THIS CITY either.

- [THAT IS SOMETHING I “KNOW” WELL] Because, {I} [{Boku}/{Watashi}] am {ME} [{Boku}/{Watashi}].

{Note: In the J.P.N version, Koushiro uses “boku” as saying “I”, but Koushiro also speaks in overall rather formal/polite speech.} [This is the case in all current medias, including the newest “02″ movie, up until {supposedly} around the point of right about the Epilogue years] By then, he still uses “boku”, that is, but speaking just a bit less formally.] (In the originating series, the speaker is a girl using “Atashi”). (The rest of this ‘A.M.V’.s storyline will show itself in time...!)

[Extra Note: It is read in a storybook-like style, hence narration.]

(Check under the ‘read more’ for full text!)

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Everyone was with “THAT.” They won’t awaken from the {FUN} [Dream] with “THAT.” The (TIME) they spend with “THAT” is a [Dream]. A [dream-like] “wonderful” (TIME).

“THAT” can make ANY(?) {W I S H} come [True](?)

“THEY” will make people happy by ‘doing what they want’

Because “THAT” isn’t a {Person}

Which is why “THAT” can [BECOME] a {person}’s [Dream]

BUT, there is ONE THING “THAT” CAN’T DO.

“THAT” can’t [BECOME HUMAN].

It can [become] a “replacement” for one, but never [BE] ONE.

- [THAT IS SOMETHING I “KNOW” WELL] Because, {I} [{Boku}/{Watashi}] am {ME} [{Boku}/{Watashi}].

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erikruk · 3 years

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Souda Sawa being gay af compilation

#saikai eyes spoilers #blue glitter spoilers #revue starlight spoilers #The dialougue is machine translated so please take with a grain of salt.#revue starlight #souda sawa #sawa souda #my new favourite girl boss #god I could talk about yakusouda forever #LIKE ITS LITERALLY AISUDASIDJOAISJDOSAIDJAOJD THEY COME BACK TOGETHER AFTER BEING APART FOR 20 YEARS #WHICH PARALLELS HIKAREN AND EMPHASIZES THAT EVEN IF THE SPLIT APART THEY CAN MEET AGAIN AND I AWOIDWAIODJWADJ #SAIKAI EYES HAS GIVEN ME THE BIGGEST BRAIN WORMS OML #in the last panel she says You not Yakumo but it sounds odd in english and i think changing it to her name gives the same emphasis imo #me_post

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keep-on-trying · 6 years

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One character I want to talk about more is Maki Himekawa.

Because right now, now that I watched Saikai and Ketsui again after knowing the events of Bokura no Mirai, I understand couple of her scenes so much better!

More under the cut, because I might start rambling quite a bit.

I used to think this scene was about Maki looking at this monitor wondering what might have caused the 02 kids to disappear, and as in to make sure no one else will disappear, but now I understand this more in a way that she is monitoring their disappearance staying the same! She was in league with Yggdrasil, she knew 02 kids were taken care of. She’s looking at this screen as in to make sure they are still missing! My god.

After realising this scene, I also understood a scene from Ketsui a lot better. The scene where Maki sees Ichijouji Ken.

I used to think she was just surprised to see Ken here because she’d been looking for them, but now I see it differently: She’s actually worried about seeing Ichijouji in Human World, because it’d mean he’s escaped that underground pod, and could possibly warn the 8 chosen about their plans.

She’s then obviously trying to piece things together. She clearly doesn’t know Not!Gennai has taken the disguise of Ichijouji, or Digimon Kaiser, at this point. She probably was only in contact with MM/Not!Gennai through messages.

And her smile at the end of Ketsui is her finally realising that it was not the real Ken, but possibly her accomplice, and their plan is moving on ahead.

I’m so happy I’m rewatching the whole show now! I might see more new stuff tomorrow, so? I freaking love seeing these foreshadowings.

#aleira watches tri #digimon #digimon tri #tri spoilers #bnm spoilers #bokura no mirai spoilers #but this is more about #ketsui #determination #saikai #reunion #makihimekawa #digimon analysis #rewatch project

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reliablejoukido · 7 years

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Digimon Adventure tri. ~ Saikai & Kyousei finales

#tri spoilers #digimon adventure tri #taichi yagami #yamato ishida #taiyama #digimon tri spoilers #kyousei spoilers #tri.;#courage;#friendship;#saikai;#kyousei;#mine: meganedad;

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overthinkingisasin · 7 years

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NEW [MAD] OP video for Digimon Adventure Tri. Enjoy!

Digimon Adventure Tri: Soushitsu OP 4

Song: 「カラノココロ」(Empty Heart) by Anly

*SPOILER ALERT* DO NOT watch if you have yet to watch the movie.

*Disclaimer: I do not own any of the videos or music. All rights belong to the respective owners.

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fizzingwizard · 6 years

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I watched the first 10 min of Bokura no Mirai on my lunch break and went through so many emotions. First impressions under the cut. (spoiler warning obviously)

tl;dr: GAAAAHHHH!!!!!!

The first 10 min are def very Taichi focused when they’re not being ominous about the world’s imminent destruction. However, Hikari flinched when Koushirou mentioned Ordinemon, so I don’t think it will be long past this first scene that we get her reaction to what happened to Tailmon as well.

It’s clear from the dialogue that the kids, for whatever reason, haven’t decided Taichi is “dead.” Maybe they’re in denial, maybe it’s just that this hardly the first time Taichi’s disappeared dramatically on them (lol), but they consider him MIA, which is bad but not necessarily permanent. (smart - they’re right after all.)

And omg, Yamato and Sora. Sora’s the one who brings up the possibility that Taichi might be dead. Right after she encouraged Yamato to go look for him, because she knows he wants to. But Yamato says no, that he has something else he has to do. Lead the team I guess.

Also, Sora says that “I haven’t had the time yet... for Nishijima-sensei, Tailmon, Meicoomon, and Taichi...” Presumably to grieve them properly, whether they’re dead or not. And it’s so cute the way she and Yamato just understand each other

but the highlight is that Piyomon, on seeing Sora crying, RIPS INTO YAMATO about it like “What did you do?? Sora did Yamato bully you?? Did he try to sing you a weird love song???” and right when i was all like “aww taichi T_T” im suddenly laughing my head off, piyomon is the best guard bird! lol

(ETA, because people are asking: she def accuses him of singing a love song to sora lol, but this is an abstract translation that i dont have time right now to listen to again, i’ll try later if someone else doesnt)

and of course, Hikari is heartbroken. Those are some emotional scenes :8 omg the flashback to saikai and the empty bed...!

anyway so many feels! one week to go! i wanna see it so bad but i also dont want to because then it will be over! gaaaaah!

#digimon #tri spoilers #bokura no mirai #digimon adventure tri

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ahiddenpath · 6 years

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Regarding the stage of Digimon, in your opinion, what are the characters with better and worst development or characterization?

Hmm, good question! As you say, I can only give my opinion- everyone’s interpretation of characters and their growth is subjective- but I will try my best below the cut :) Spoilers for the digimon stage play below the cut!!!!

I would argue that most of the cast didn’t develop or change during the play, not really. Mostly they acknowledged existing truths and fears that were already causing tension inside of them, partially because of that all-important anniversary, partially from exposure to the other Chosen and sensing that they’re all facing similar tensions, and partially because of... being literally held prisoner by their own desires. But then, maybe opening your eyes to something you refused to acknowledge before is growth, even though the pieces were already in your hands! I think the distinction is probably unimportant?

In a way, the pains of growing up showcased in the stage play are relatable to anyone who has gone through that difficult stage between childhood and adulthood. During one of my writing classes as an undergrad, the students had to submit two stories each for peer review, and about 70% of them dealt specifically with the fear of facing a life beyond our schooling. The difficulties the Chosen face in the play are painfully familiar. But as Koushiro points out, it’s truly the weight of August first bowing their backs, and as Yamato admits, the fear of being unable to spend time with his digimon partner plays a huge role in his fear.

Basically, the Chosen are normal kids, but they’re also not. Although the viewers know and love this about our babies, I think the stage play showcased this idea beautifully. I’m not sure how to rank everyone’s growth by number, so let me try talking about them one-by-one and seeing where things land?

Taichi

As most of the Chosen point out in the first act, Taichi has been subdued since the events of Saikai. Even so, he leaps on the idea of a camping reunion on August 1st, surprising Hikari and placing her on the alert. His over-enthusiasm indicates that he’s eager to step back into his fearless leader role, if only for a few days, especially in a safe setting.

Taichi spends most of the play pretending he’s fine (when he clearly isn’t), and it even seems that he considers remaining hostage in Etemon’s... ‘playing house’ scenario rather than start a fight. He also offers himself as a sacrifice if the others are spared and begs for mercy, hoping to protect his friends by taking the fall for them. Eventually, with prompting from Sora, Hikari, and Koushiro and help from Agumon, Taichi realizes that his new ability to consider consequences and ask questions before he fights is growth, not regression, and he regains the ability to fight, with the implication that his methods will be more effective than ever.

Taichi probably has the clearest ‘before and after’ picture from the stage play.

Yamato

It was really fun to see Yamato hang out with his band! There’s a sense that his band mates simultaneously look up to him and take every opportunity to tease him, lol.

Although he says little of consequence during the group campfire talk, Yamato opens up more when he’s alone with Taichi. There’s a sense that he’s trying to draw information out of Taichi by offering some in turn, but it doesn’t really get anywhere. He gets to the good stuff towards the end, when he admits to Jyou that his fears aren’t really based in becoming an adult, or even in growing apart from the Chosen. His biggest fear is that, some day, he won’t be able to see Gabumon as much. Part of me isn’t sure why he’s bringing that up now- my understanding is that the gates to the Digital World have been opening and closing beyond their control mostly all along, unrelated to Yamato growing up. But his point still stands; Gabumon is his most precious friend, and it must often feel like Yamato’s ability to spend time with him is out of his control.

I got the sense that Yamato mostly needed to speak his fears aloud, but Jyou also assured him that his fears were normal, and that the best thing to do is to make his time with Gabumon count and move forward with courage. I’m not sure how much Yamato grew... But I thought everything he said in his scene with Jyou was interesting and loving, and reflected that teddy bear nature hiding beneath his outer tundra.

Sora

I’ll be honest, while the girls had nice moments, I was a little put out at how comparatively little they were showcased. Like everyone but Jyou, Sora was not forthcoming at the campfire scene, and she “slept” through most of the “girl talk” scene. The play gave the sense that Sora is worried about her fellow Chosen, especially Taichi, and communicated her protective and loving nature, but she wasn’t given much opportunity to shine until her final heart-to-heart with Mimi. Mostly she talks about the self she’s always been- preferring quietly supporting others to thinking about her future and understanding herself. After musing about herself a bit, she decides that it’s time to start tackling the issues of learning who she is and what she wants.

That’s a beautiful realization and decision for anyone! i would have liked to see a lot more Sora, though.

Koushiro

Compared to the others, I don’t think Koushiro has a moment where he stands up and makes some kind of discovery unique to himself. While he (awesomely) points out that all of the Chosen are stuck in this Digital World pocket because they don’t want to lose August 1st and everything it means to them, he doesn’t say much about himself and his individual struggles. All he really says is that, while he likes computers, he’s not sure what he wants to do in the future, and he’s interested in attempting to explore the world around him without the help of computers. (Although I guess you could argue that last bit IS a Big Deal).

I don’t mind, though, because his characterization was so great during the play. He was sassy (“You’re the closest thing we have to a cave man, Taichi-san!”), an intelligent planner (sensing an initial problem, understanding the nature of their plight, and even uncovering the psychological component), supportive towards everyone (especially Taichi, something conspicuously absent in Tri), proactive, polite, sweet, and a bit socially clueless. The things that I dislike about Tri!Koushiro are absent: perviness, fashion disasters, occasional uncomfortably weird behavior, a lack of proactiveness compared to Adventure, and a tendency to cut himself off from the group instead of working together with them.

I don’t know if he developed over the course of the play, but for what it’s worth, stage play Koushiro soothes my tormented soul, lol.

Mimi

In the first act, she seems preoccupied with... making the camping trip harder than it should be. We later learn that she wants to echo their circumstances during their adventures by leaving supplies behind (I think she actually brought supplies back then, though, which is kind of funny). During the “girl talk” scene, Mimi seems to be pushing for light, stereotypical subject matter: crushes and ghost stories. While the dialogue itself doesn’t contribute much, it does create a sense that Mimi’s trying to distract herself from her thoughts.

Mimi later says that the future is difficult for her to think about, because she wants to do so many things. The more she grows, the more she questions her ability to explore her many interests; isn’t it more realistic to focus on one thing? Palmon convinces her that she can do whatever she wants to do. It’s a sweet and very Mimi-esque moment. I enjoyed it a lot, and I thought Mimi’s actress did an incredible job, but Mimi’s initial pushy and actively unhelpful behavior combined with a comparatively short payoff scene pushes her characterization and arc towards the bottom of my personal ranking.

Jyou

Jyou didn’t ‘grow’ in the sense that he was the one Chosen who is calm about his future, but the fact that he’s in that position during the stage play is amazing to me. You guys probably know I have a huuuuge soft spot for Jyou, but... Just the fact that he went on the trip without an argument, even for one day, was a victory. And he put so much effort into helping Taichi and Yamato, which is wonderful, too!

I loved his scene with Yamato... While Yamato did most of the talking and discovering, Jyou supported him and listened. It’s kind of... like the opposite of what happened between them in the diner? That isn’t a perfect metaphor, but this time, Jyou went out of his way to help Yamato, instead of vice versa. Senpai is so grown up now ;__; At the same time, he’s still strung too tight about his grades and achieving his goals, so he still feels like our beloved dork face.

Senpai, notice me *___*

Takeru

In my opinion, Takeru drew the short straw in the stage play. He is upfront about his fears about everyone parting ways, and he seems willing to talk about his hope that he can write in the future without ending up hating it (although he tends to get cut off when he tries). We glimpse his sweet and mischievous sides, but he spends most of the climax looking lost and near tears while Hikari remains calm and reassures him. I finished the play without much of an impression from him. I think he mentioned that he used to feel stronger and more single-minded, and now he often feels more frightened and unsure? I don’t recall any closure for him, though.

Happily, I find Takeru’s Tri persona lovable and fun enough that I don’t really mind his comparative lack of presence here, but I do kind of wonder why he got left out like he did.

Hikari

Hikari was interesting in that her role as a concerned observer, and someone comparatively grounded in reality, was very visible in the play. Although she mostly remained in the background, Hikari was vocal about her worries for Taichi, and she was the first to point out that something was wrong with Etemon’s ‘playing house’ situation. But despite giving off a sense that she is calmer and more aware than the others, she wasn’t given much material to work with in the play. I was happy to see her interacting with Taichi- in my opinion, Tri pushes her away from him and towards Takeru to a way that sometimes feels like a stretch- but I would have liked to see more from her in general. Again, the “girl talk” scene featured the gals, but didn’t actually give them much meaningful material. Did she talk about her hopes for the future, beyond affirming that she wants to teach kindergarten?

I guess overall, it looks like Taichi was the main character of the stage play. Yamato, Koushiro, and Jyou have roughly the most influence after that, followed by Sora, followed by Hikari, Mimi, and Takeru. While I have complaints, I think the stage play did a great job portraying the characters. Ultimately, though, I think they could have fit more material for some of the characters if they didn’t spend so much time on dialogue that hit dead ends over and over, and if the “girl talk” scene was less about... crushes and ghost stories and more about... the girls.

Thanks for the ask!

#digimon adventure tri stage play #digimon stage play #digimon tri stage play #Anonymous

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lighdramons · 7 years

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To start this off, here’s this stuff:

Saikai – November 21, 2015 (over 15 months from announcement)

Ketsui – March 12, 2016 (a little under 4 months)

Kokuhaku – September 24, 2016 (a little over 6 months)

Soshitsu – February 25, 2017 (5 months)

Kyosei – September 30, 2017 (a little over 7 months)

Bokura no Mirai – Summer 2018 (11 months estimate) (4 years from the announcement of Tri)

The biggest problem with Tri I believe is that we have to wait so long to get 4-5 episodes of content. I cannot think of any tv shows off of the top of my head that have huge breaks like that. Even when it comes to manga, that’s a huge break. The only manga I can think of that has breaks spanning months/years is Berserk, and I only know that because I have friends who read it and they bitch about how long the breaks are. Normally with anime, you have an entire arc completed within a season. Yes, there may be a cliffhanger, but most of the current story is tied up after the 13/26/52 episodes air so you can wait a year for the next part with not too many questions or “plot holes” bothering you. Or you can pick up the manga and read ahead (which I’ve done for things like JoJo (because part 5 never and spoilers everywhere because its old as fuck) and BNHA (because I was so hyped after season 2 that I had to read ahead)). And most manga updates at a weekly, biweekly, or monthly pace so you don’t have to wait too long for new content.

Tri is essentially stretching a 26 episode series over a span of 2 years 8/9 months, so basically 3 years. Gaps between seasons is common (sometimes it’s a year, sometimes multiple years). But year-long gaps between episodes is ridiculous and something I’ve never seen or heard of. You can argue Tri is movies, but when its distributed into episodic format, I begin to wonder if they really intended to just produce it as episodes but did an alternate movie format so they could also put it in theatres and sell tickets. Or if it is supposed to be viewed as movies. Personally, Tri doesn’t feel like the other Digimon movies and feels more like a series so I classify it as an episodic series rather than OVA movies.

And so these long gaps cause various problems. The “old” fans brought back by the nostalgia who have no interest in the series outside of Adventure get bored and tired of waiting so they don’t hang around waiting for new episodes. People get impatient with things like “why do we have to wait another year to find out X plot point”. And then the constant bitching about “plot holes” which we can’t even make an argument for or against because there’s still 4-5 episodes to go. And then Meiko, which I think is a lot of people missing points of her character due to how spread out the movies are.

I completely understand how tired parts of the fandom are getting with Tri, just because of how long it’s taking to see it. And then people talk for a few days and then disappear or just go back to their normal blogging. I might have enjoyed Tri more overall if we did get aired over a year or two (13 episodes one year, 13 episodes the next, or just 26 episodes in a row like a normal series). But stretching it out just gets annoying as more time goes on and with each movie I lose more and more interest because it seems like there’s more and more time between each movie.

Don’t get me wrong, there are pros to spreading out, such as more time to animate which can lead to a better quality film. And yeah it gives us more time to speculate what is going to happen. But, I’d rather worse animation and the story to be out faster. Plus, when you speculate for 4+ months, you wind up going over the same couple points over and over again and no new discussion arises. And while Tri’s animation is better than most stuff Toei puts out nowadays, it still doesn’t look as good as Digimon Adventure (movie) and Our War Game (which I think is some of the best animation Digimon has ever had, or maybe I’m just biased because I love Mamoru Hosoda’s films).

This got longer than I had intended. But I’m curious what other people think. Let me know if you agree/disagree/have stuff to add/etc.

#ray's rants #digimon #digimon tri #tri was announced the beginning of my sophomore year of college and i'll be almost done my thesis by the time it ends #makes it seem like its gone on forever #sorry if it seems i went in circles #i was just writing out my thoughts #minor edits because miscounted months and i forgot to add strikethroughs a couple places

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koushirouizumi · 13 days

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~ Digimon Adventure tri. x {T A I C H I} Yagami + "Saikai" ("Reunion") {Final Post-Credits Scene}

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restructuralcommittee · 7 years

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Subtle Romeo and Juliet reference

Hi there, Let me start off that I don’t have a Tumblr account (duh…. except spending time on other people’s blogs, I’m guilty of that) so I don’t know how it works around here, forgive my ignorance. But I recently discovered something that I want to share with the Restructural Committee since I haven’t found anything close to it on the blog. I have made a very scarce research on the topic - if somebody has already found what I am about to point out (I’m just too lazy to dig more), then I’m sorry, I wouldn’t know. Also a warning: lot of text incoming, but I hope you’ll find it interesting.

So we all know how Shakespeare-filled NO.6 is (God bless, the series actually made me get interested in Shakespeare), brimming with references - especially Macbeth and Hamlet, of course. But there wasn’t much of the most well-known work of William Shakespeare (so well-known to the point of being cliché) - Romeo and Juliet, was there? I remember a quote from Act V, Scene III in the 7th Volume of NO.6 novels, for example. I didn’t pay much attention to it at first since I didn’t fancy Romeo and Juliet much; and so I didn’t watch any movies or anything of the sort.

Though recently, I came across the main theme from the Romeo and Juliet movie (playing Piano Tiles 2, lol), from the year 1968, directed by Franco Zeffirelli. The song is called variously; mostly just “Romeo and Juliet”, “What is a Youth” or “A Time for Us” and has plenty of versions and re-arrangements. Either way the original Love Theme from Romeo and Juliet was composed by Nino Rota and was a huge success (such a shame I didn’t hear it before, really.). One of my favorite versions of the song is this one - you can use it as a comparison for what I’m about to point out next, since it’s clear and short.

While listening to the track for the first time I’ve noticed immediately that I have heard that melody before. With just a hunch, I hastily opened iTunes and went to my NO.6 playlist, with the complete soundtrack in it. Scrolling to the end, I played one of my favorite songs: Saikai wa Kanarazu by Suzuki Keiichi. Those who have bought the soundtrack will recognize this track from the second CD as probably the most emotional song from the anime OST (along with Rokutousei no Yoru); and those who pay attention to background noise in series and movies (like myself) will even recognize in which one scene it played. Or even based on the placement of the song in the tracklist, as soundtracks are usually sorted chronologically. The song starts off completely different from the Romeo and Juliet song I talked about earlier. However, starting from about the 30 second, you’ll hear that they are nigh identical melody-wise (of course, before the melody changes in the middle, only to come back to the Romeo and Juliet melody near the end). This is probably the sole video with the tracks from NO.6 anime on YouTube, for those without the soundtrack.

Now, don’t get me wrong; I am by no means a musician or anyone of the sort, at all; and I wouldn’t be able to compare the notes even if I had them. All I’m saying is that they sound so similar; this can’t be a coincidence (duh.) so I think we all could agree that we have just found a subtle Shakespeare reference in NO.6. They even play in the most tragic parts of their respective works - Love Theme from Romeo and Juliet apparently could be heard in the last scene from the last act, where, as we all know, both the lovers commit suicide from despair (but don’t take my word on it, I haven’t watched the movie myself.). While in NO.6 anime adaptation, Saikai wa Kanarazu began as soon as Nezumi and Shion tumbled down onto the conveyor belt and ‘met up’ with Inukashi and Rikiga (boom spoiler alerts for the anime after this). Shion was already dead at that time, and the song continued as the other characters lamented. (um… end spoilers?) Also Saikai wa Kanarazu can be loosely translated to something that became sort of the catchphrase for NO.6/Nezushi (despite being directed to Karan at first) - “Reunion will come” or “Reunite, without fail.”. That makes the song all the more depressing.

So long story short, the NO.6 staff has managed to squeeze in a well-hidden (for the masses) and neat Romeo and Juliet reference that I got all excited upon discovering. And yeah, I discovered it, but like I said - maybe someone else found it before and I didn’t know. If that’s the case, apologies for taking your time. I just thought this was really interesting and I wanted to share it with someone who cares.

Finishing off my ‘essay’ I’d like to also apologize for any grammar mistakes (and the amount of text, wow) as English is not my mother tongue.

#no. 6 #no.6 #submission

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{Blog Info} The Beginning Spoiler Tags

Anyway, reminder I'll be using: #The Beginning Spoilers (when re-blogging) #TheBeginningSpoilers or #The Beginning Spoiler (Sometimes also when making an original post) Previous spoiler tags used include #Kizuna Spoilers #Tri Spoilers #Bokura no Mirai Spoilers #Our Future Spoilers #Kyousei Spoilers {Tri Pt. 5}, #Soushitsu Spoilers {Pt. 4}; #Kokuhaku Spoilers {Pt. 3}, #Ketsui Spoilers {Pt. 2}, and I don't always tag Saikai anymore (reminder this has always been an overall spoiler-free blog for older series, especially everything pre DigiAdv 2020, Ghost Game and Survive) but if it's concerning big plot points and meta, #Saikai Spoilers may also be used. #DigiAdv 2020 Spoilers is still being used for more spoilery DigiAdv 2020 meta and discussion, but also may not always be used depending if I can fit in tags or not (as the tag limit is 30 tags).

Questions about my blogs' upcoming experience with anything related to The Beginning under the 'read more'.

Which version are you seeing? It depends if I can even make it to the showing, but I'm NOT seeing the U.S. dub version tomorrow, and instead would be seeing the sub on the 9th IF AND ONLY IF it actually works out reminder I am Disabled and sometimes get chronic pain flareups, so we'll see what happens on the day of.

Are you planning to review it? Probably not. I'm not the type to make full-on reviews... If anything I will likely just reblog related stuff, and even that may not happen for a couple weeks still, as I have to build the blog queue back up. I almost have half a mind by now to refund my ticket{s} me and someone bought but its already the day before and I'm not sure I can. At the least my theater here might be pretty empty, so we'll see. It's not necessarily that I don't want to see it on a personal level (I very much do), but I'm going to be honest about my overall opinion once it's out.

Can I ask you your opinion on something {to do with the series}? As long as you understand I am not open to full-on "debating" about it (OR the typical timeline debates; or U.S. dub-vs-sub semantics) and as long as my opinion can be generally respected, catch me when my Ask box is open. Asks here should generally be kept specific to this fan base and this fan base only. {Also, more specifically, Adventure{s}-related franchise as a whole. Yes, I know 'Adventures' is not an official title and I do not need to be told that, it's for tags organization and clarifications' sake when I talk about the whole franchise.} (Just clearing this up now in case, since I'm not sure what the state of things is going to look like after tomorrow.)

#izzyizumi blog #izzyizumi digiadvs #izzyizumi 02 #izzyizumi d02tb #izzyizumi tags #(Anyway despite what I've been venting about I'm just clarifying this now since I had some ask me before)#(PLEASE BLACKLIST THESE TAGS *BEFORE* NOV. 9TH because I am NOT responsible if you choose to do so AFTER)#(I might rb some others' reviews and add tags commentary but it depends how soon I can do that after the movie is out)#(At this point I'm choosing to let the current queue run out and anything new will replace it later on)

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50cyg · 7 years

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The interview doesn't exaclty say that they plan to make Takari canon, Keitaro Motonaga only speak a little about the interaction a rekation between these two characters in Saikai (jkdigi. tumblr. com/post/139784098503/thanks-for-spoilers-from-the-febri-magazine-so).

hey thanks for this source, it was enlightening. I hold to my theory that they will likely make Takari cannon but also that there is room for them not to do so. I’m fine either way as I don’t love or hate the ship

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keep-on-trying · 6 years

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Answering the Lingering Questions from the first 5 Digimon Adventure Tri. movies + Exploring new ones from Bokura no Mirai

I think I’m capable of doing this now. This is gonna be a whole new post. I’ll post all the questions and see if we did get answers. :D This is a pretty long post so, continue under the cut! Spoilers ahead, so proceed at your own risk!

Saikai/Reunion

What happened to the 02 kids?

Answer: They found out about Yggdrasil’s plans and were taken care off by Alphamon under the orders of Yggdrasil. Maki Himekawa was involved.

Who is Jou’s girlfriend?

Answer: Up for anyone’s imagination. We don’t know.

Is Alphamon behind the disappearance of the 02 kids? I don’t believe this has been properly answered yet.

Answer: Explained before.

How did the Chosen Digimon manage to come to the Real World? This isn’t that important of a question to me.

Answer: Wasn’t explained.

Theory: It’s just how summoning the Digimon work. It works when need be. : D

Is “the shadow of the real world“ meant to reference Dark Ocean in the beginning of the movie? I don’t think this has been answered yet. We only know the egg is Meicoomon’s and the black cube going inside of part of Apocalymon.

Answer: Wasn’t explained

Theory: I think it may have actually referenced Yggdrasil’s domain, or it’s view on the Digital World.

Digimon that die in the human world are supposed to stay dead? What exactly happened to Kuwagamons after being “killed off”. They dematerialized and went through a distortion.

Answer: Wasn’t explained :D

Theory: Whatever the case, the Reboot certainly revived them.

Alphamon is only after Meicoomon, doesn’t want to kill off the Chosen Children (even stops Kuwagamon from shooting the final beam at Garurumon). Yet he works for Yggdrasil. What was the goal here? O.o

Answer: Oh they just wanted to destroy the Real World, and Meicoomon happened to be the key. No interest in Chosen Children at all XD

Ketsui/Determination

What happened to the guns that were showcased during the first real world appearance of Ogremon? Will Part 6 showcase them more?

Answer: Bokura no Mirai showed the Army taking action against Ordinemon, possibly under the instructrions of Homeostasis, messaged by Hackmon. While the guns from this movie weren’t showcased, it’s safe to assume the Army had developed their weapons for such situation further at this point.

Who exactly sent the premonition of Ultimate/Mega evolution? I’m not 100% certain it was Maki.

Answer: It was indeed Homeostasis (thanks @jkdigi for correcting me :) )

Was the Imperialdramon here really the Jogress evolution of Wormmon and Veemon? It hasn’t really been answered. Or I’m just an idiot here.

Answer: Wasn’t explained really.

Theory: Considering we didn’t see the 02 digimons despite finding out about the 02 kids, I believe it really was. It could have been a random summoned Imperialdramon as well.

Kokuhaku/Confession

How did Maki get her hands on Ken’s D3 and the handheld communicator? Or is it some other D3?

Answer: She was in league with Yggdrasil, took care of the 02 kids, it is possibly why she got her hands of Ken’s D3 and communicator. Wasn’t directly explained, but it’s how I see it.

Why is Not-Gennai so obsessed with Digimon Kaiser disguise? We know his excuse on why he needs to use a disguise but, why Digimon Kaiser?

Answer: Wasn’t explained :D

Theory: He’s just a kid on the inside who wants to play.

Who is Not-Gennai really?

Answer: Wasn’t explained. !!

Theory: Either a split of Gennai who has the Dark Spore inside him, or it’s something else. Seen speculations of Milleniummon, Piemon etc.

Soushitsu/Loss

What is the symbol on Maki’s digivice? It’s nothing like we’ve seen before. This hasn’t been answered.

Answer: Wasn’t explained. It’s up to anyone’s imagination at this point.

Can Meiko’s digivice summon her to the Digital World? It seemed like she actually was brought to Digital World when the Digivice was glowing, and then we cut to the Trailer, that is making the sound that it does when someone crosses the gate! Or so it seemed to do.

Answer: Wasn’t explained :D

Theory: What I explained before seems like the probable case. The way original Digivices work with summoning is a mystery, ever since Adventure.

Were these Dark Masters the same one from before, or just mere puppets?

Answer: Wasn’t explained

Who are the other three Original Chosen?

Answer: Wasn’t explained. :DD

Kyousei/Coexistence

Balance is indeed the theme in the series regarding Meicoomon. Will it be Meiko’s crest? (crediting @citrus-cactus for suggesting this in the first place! Great eye!)

They talked hell a lot about how partners balance each other out. Meiko and Meicoomon are struggling with it right now. It’s the darkness of balance: chaos.

Answer: Meiko didn’t explicitly have a crest but, an animation sequence showcased the possibility of her having some sort of crest, that got tainted in fear, chaos, however you want to picture it.

Will Maki be saved? Will Daigo be saved?

Answer: No. Maki is either dead in Dark Ocean or stuck there as bride to Dagomon. Daigo died a heroic death while saving 02 kids and Taichi. ;_______;

Where did Taichi and Daigo fall into?

Answer: They fell to the place where 02 kids were held in capsules, sleeping.

How will Hikari overcome her conflict?

Answer: Beautifully. Strongly. Independently. It’s a great arc, go see it yourself!

Will Meicoomon have true evolution shown?

Answer: No.

WHY IS NOT-GENNAI UPSIDE DOWN ALL THE FREAKING TIME AND WHY IS HE INSIDE HIKARI’S MIND IN THE LAST PART OF KYOUSEI???

Answer: WAS NOT EXPLAINED!!!

Theory: I’m screaming I want to know I can’t for the life of me to think of any legit good explanation!

Yamato’s character arc? How will it be handled? Seems to revolve around him coming over the death of the dearest friend to him? (I’m not that good at analyzing Yamato)

Answer: It was definitely about taking over the duty of his best friend and dealing with Taichi’s disappearance. A character arc done well. Go see it.

Will Tailmon survive?

Answer: Yes ;_; Thanks Hackmon!

Will Meiko and Meicoomon survive?

Answer: Meicoomon died, thou she is at peace now. Meiko survived and moved back to Tottori.

Is someone fucking gonna die???

Answer: YES, THREE IN FACT!

DARK OCEAN????

Answer: FALSE ALARM!

Total of Questions: 29 Total of Answered Questions: 16

Rest of the questions have been given some own theories on what the case would be.

Now that the old questions I had lingering have been answered somewhat, let’s have a look at the new questions that are lingering from Bokura no Mirai.

Bokura no Mirai/Future

02 Kids are fine, but we don’t know what happened to their Digimon. We also don’t know what exactly happened before they were taken down by Yggdrasil’s forces.

Theory: Before the Reboot, Not!Gennai/Mysterious Man took control of their Digimon with the infection, thus the Imperialdramon appearance in Determination. I also think that Our 8 chosen were fine with killing them, because they were in the Digital World, meaning they’d get reborn.

Why did Yggdrasil spare the 02 kids? Why not kill them? Did Not!Gennai/Mysterious Man just want to play some sicko game? Maybe Himekawa didn’t want anyone to die, and managed to make the deal on keeping them alive?

Sequel hook was left with Mysterious Man/Not!Gennai teasing about wanting to play some more (he got away god damn it!) and wondering if it should be with Daemon/Demon or Diablomon next. I got chills. But like, will there actually be a sequel for this series, thus not answering all the questions?

The teasing of Daemon/Demon kinda leaves an open room for a comeback of Dark Ocean in larger scale. So, while it only showed for a short bit as a bad ending for Maki’s depression, it has a chance at being used in possible sequel.

Did Meicoomon have memories of just Chosen Digimons or did it have all of it?

My answer: It seems unclear for some, but I honestly intepreted it as Meicoomon having backup files on Chosen Digimons only. Thou, I admit that seeing the Digimon fly back to the Digital World after the memories had return from Ordinemon to the Chosen Digimons is sort of a confusing scene. It is possible that those memories reshaped the Digital World to how it used to be.

What happened to Alphamon? He didn’t appear in this movie at all.

Theory: Yggdrasil’s plan was already in a state where Alphamon wasn’t needed.

Courtesy of @tutomon: How the heck did Taichi manage to carry four unconscious teenagers (and Gennai?) to the hospital by himself?

Theory: I think he may have called for few Ambulances to pick them up? Thou Taichi’s Pod seemed to land in the Ocean, we don’t really see where the 02 kids’ pods landed. : D Although, I guess it could also be that some other people saw 02 kids + Taichi, carried them all to Hospital, and Taichi left early because world needs to be saved. : D Thus being late, according to Yamato. :D

It isn’t clear why 02 kids didn’t inform the 8 Chosen about Yggdrasil. It’s possible they decided to not want to involve them in this, or Himekawa explicitly denied them to tell them about it, with reasons that sounded plausable.

This post may get updated later on with questions I don’t remember right away but will at later date :)

People have been speculation quite a bit about lack of answers on some questions being due to development getting switched into taking a sequel into account. We have been given a teaser of a new project just few hours before Bokura no Mirai premiered.

Whatever the case, most of the important questions got answered.

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