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You guys just aren't Utena Pilled enough to understand Kipperlily Copperkettle. You don't recognize a Black Rose duelist when you see it and it's okay. Sometimes you reveal your worst insecurities, the most vicious parts of your envy and rage and want, to a school counselor and found those same feelings weaponized to unravel the standing order of the world and kill some kids who you've been lead to believe are the source of your problems but have only ever been another product of the same world that created those problems.
Sometimes your only option is to revolutionize the world.
"you, that girl, the 'bad kids', you all look down on me. you use the special gifts you were born with and without a second thought... TRAMPLE ON THE REST OF US."
If you even care.
#dimension 20#fantasy high#kipperlily copperkettle#ratgrinders#d20 spoilers#fantasy high junior year#fhjy
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riz being mad about the rat grinders' name and how they go against the spirit of adventuring is so fucking real but also like.
him and the other bad kids have saved the world 3 times to get to where they are. they brought a god back to life, faced their worst fears, went to jail at the age of 14, gave up their entire summer break and have gotten practically no thanks. aguefort doesn't give them preferential treatment (at least compared to the seven). he has every right to be mad. how fucking dare little miss four dogs suggest that. she doesn't know shit about the bad kids. she doesn't even know shit about adventuring. she's probably a similar level they are and she's only killed three fucking kinds of enemies in the newbie zone.
I'd be pissed, too.
#fhjy spoilers#fantasy high hunior year spoilers#riz gukgak#d20 fantasy high#fhjy#d20 fhjy#fantasy high#dimension 20#d20#kipperlilly copperkettle#ratgrinders#fantasy high junior year
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take a walk with me. come with me. Ratgrinders side campaign? Ratgrinders full side campaign tonight perhaps?
#sorry Ross Bryant we can theatre of the mind it if you need that#but don't you want a little buddy dawn mini#dont you want it#dimension 20#fantasy high#fantasy high junior year#fhjy#ratgrinders#brennan lee mulligan#aabria iyengar#ross bryant#omar najam#becca Scott#persphone#freddy wong#dnd#fancast#kipperlilly copperkettle
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“Average Aguefort student kills 3 rats a year” factoid actualy just statistical error. Average Aguefort student kills 0 rats per year. The Rat Grinders, who grind and kill over 10,000 each day, are an outlier adn should not have been counted
#has this been done yet?#spider georg#anyway I literally haven’t been able to stop thinking about the sheer number of rats and spiders the buttfuckers have killed#like killing that many would literally destroy the local ecosystem#d20#dimension 20#fantasy high junior year#fantasy high#fhjy#kipperlilly copperkettle#ratgrinders
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Wennan Wee Wulligan is the Ratgrinder’s DM btw
#fhjy#fhjy spoilers#d20 fhjy#wennan wee wulligan#make some noise#ratgrinders#fantasy high#dimension 20
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it doesn’t seem like the ratgrinders are very good friends. none of them were there to support ruben during the show and it doesn’t seem like they hang out at school. especially considering how much part the bad kids have in kristen’s campaign in comparison to the ratgrinders in kipperlilly’s. i think they’re just a bunch of powerful kids who got stuck together and are making the most of it but probably hate each other. that’s my theory at least.
#i can’t imagine them being friends#the ratgrinders#ratgrinders#dimension 20#fantasy high#fantasy high junior year#fhjy#fhjy spoilers#fhjy speculation#d20
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I am terrified of the Rat Grinders cleric. A cleric of Helio. That Kristen’s parents love. I can already imagine a goody two shoes. The absolute antithesis of Kristen. Everything she could have been if she were good and straight and obedient. Someone successful and happy. And she’ll have to meet them with all the shit she’s got going on, and look them in the eye and see a reflection of what she could have been…
and it will be
d e v a s t a t i n g
#dimension 20#fantasy high#d20#fhjy#fantasy high junior year#fhjy spoilers#kristen applebees#ratgrinders#rat grinders
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Ok, so, someone pointed out that the Ratgrinders are all examples of problematic players:
Kipperlily is a rules lawyer
Ruben is an edgelord
Marianne (?) doesn't role play.
This got me thinking about Oisin, who can sink every shot when no one is looking, but starts failing as soon as Adaine pays attention to him. People think he's flustered at the thought of flirting with Adaine (a fair assumption), but what if he's actually the player that lies about their rolls until another player watches them?
This could also explain how he got buff over the summer: he rerolled his character stats, and lied about the results.
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The funniest thing about the Buddy scene is knowing that him talking to the Applebees would have actually made things worse.
His art reads as Mormon, the Applebees read as mainline evangelical. Evangelicals view Mormons as a non-Christian cult. So while Buddy is technically in the same broad Helioic religion, the Applebees would think he’s also going to hell.
#dimension 20#d20 spoilers#d20 fhjy#dimension 20 fhjy#fhjy#fantasy high junior year#fhjy spoilers#dimension 20 spoilers#d20 shitpost#ratgrinders#the ratgrinders#helio#buddy dawn#the applebees#kristen applebees#fantasy high#also the absolute chaos if Buddy and Bud Cubby ever show up at the same time#immediate tongue twister
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The Ratgrinders complaining about The Bad Kids getting ~special treatment~ has the same energy as those kids who would do the bare minimum all semester and then be pissed that the teacher didn’t write them a letter of recommendation or give them an internship or something and say the teacher “chose favorites”
Oh I’m sorry me and my party (my lab partners) are out here solving mysteries (studying till we drop) and saving the world (Doing extra credit).
But no you are right, your party have been Exp farming ( straight up only doing the assignments you can find on quizlet) for two years and It’s unfair that’s the system (fucking grading and common sense) favors us over you.
You should win Student Body President (get that unpaid internship) I’m sure killing rats (only doing half the homework) has prepared you for practical combat (if you were let in that lab you would blow something up).
Best of luck!
(I am actively Praying on your downfall)
#dimension twenty#dimension20#dimension 20#d20#fantasy high#d20 fantasy high#fantasy high junior year#brennan lee mulligan#dimension 20 fhjy#fhjy#fhjy spoilers#d20 fhjy#the bad kids#ratgrinders#kipperlilly copperkettle
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the ratgrinders' potential levels
cannot believe i was right about the xp reqs. the bad kids & the seven get 'special treatment' (milestone leveling and saving the world), while others have to work with xp. which tells you a lot about why people fled during prompocalypse.
ok getting into the algebra now: the rat grinders have gone into the far haven woods every day for the last two years, for 3 hours after school, and 9 hours/day on weekends. presumably they keep this up during the summer.
they have supposedly defeated 80,000 or more of three types of creatures: rats, spiders, and twig blights. there are some variations to what these could be, so here's a list of what this could encompass, assuming the ratgrinders are not facing creatures over CR 1.
giant rat: CR 1/8, 25 XP
swarm of rats: CR 1/4, 50 XP
giant wolf spider: CR 1/8, 25 XP
swarm of spiders: CR 1/2, 100 XP
giant flying spider: CR 1, 200 XP
giant spider: CR 1, 200 XP
ice spider: CR 1, 200 XP
twig blight: CR 1/8, 25 XP
needle blight: CR 1/4, 50 XP
thorn slinger: CR 1/2, 100 XP
vine blight: CR 1/2, 100 XP
razorvine blight: CR 1, 200 XP
thorny: CR 1: 200 XP
the full list is a little difficult to do calculations on, so let's condense it. assume a quarter of the 80000 creatures were CR 1/8, a quarter were CR 1/4, so on and so forth.
how much xp would they earn? how much would they level for the amount they ground? grinded? for?
critical assumption here: in the games i've played, we've always done milestone or zeroed out xp with each level, i.e. after earning 300 xp to get to level 2, you have to earn 900 xp to get to level 3, not 600. this analysis assumes that you have to earn the next levels xp reqs on top of your current total. i'm including the xp chart here to clarify:
level 1: 0 XP, +2, total 0 XP
level 2: 300 XP, +2, total 300 XP
level 3: 900 XP, +2, total 1200 XP
level 4: 2700 XP, +2, total 3900 XP
level 5: 6500 XP, +3, total 10400 XP
level 6: 14000 XP, +3, total 24400 XP
level 7: 23000 XP, +3, total 47400 XP
level 8: 34000 XP, +3, total 81400 XP
level 9: 48000 XP, +4, total 129400 XP
level 10: 64000 XP, +4, total 193400 XP
level 11: 85000 XP, +4, total 278400 XP
level 12: 100000 XP, +4, total 378400 XP
level 13: 120000 XP, +5, total 498400 XP
level 14: 140000 XP, +5, total 638400 XP
level 15: 165000 XP, +5, total 803400 XP
level 16: 195000 XP, +5, total 998400 XP
level 17: 225000 XP, +6, total 1223400 XP
level 18: 265000 XP, +6, total 1488400 XP
level 19: 305000 XP, +6, total 1793400 XP
level 20: 355000 XP, +6, total 2148400 XP
if we went cumulatively, based on the number of creatures the bad kids have defeated, they'd be getting up there in xp. we know they've had opportunities to defeat creatures outside of the quests that we've seen, given the oneshots. thus, i'm going with the second explanation, because otherwise the ratgrinders would be 19th level, and i don't think they are, because it would make any pvp setups super unbalanced, which are neither fun to play nor watch. this puts them on a little more even ground and emphasizes the amount of work it takes to xp grind to level against milestone leveling.
for the CR 1/8s: assuming roughly 20,000 creatures, they'd get 25 XP per, which means 500,000 xp. that's cumulatively enough to get to level 13, on just those creatures. divided 6 ways, assuming the ratgrinders have 6 members, it's 83,333.33, which is enough to get you to 10th level cumulatively and 8th non cumulatively.
this scales up to the 1/4s, 1/2s and the 1s since the xp gains double for each challenge rating rather than plateauing as they do at higher levels.
for the CR 1/4s: 1,000,000 xp. that's cumulatively enough to get to level 16 on just those creatures. divided 6 ways, assuming the ratgrinders have 6 members, it's 166,666.66, which is enough to get you to 15th level cumulatively and 9th non cumulatively.
for the CR 1/2s: 2,000,000 xp. divided 6 ways, assuming the ratgrinders have 6 members, it's 333,333.33, which is enough to get you to 19th level cumulatively, and 11th level non cumulatively.
and for the 1s, 4,000,000 xp. well over what you'd need to get to level 20, on just the CR 1s. divided 6 ways, assuming the ratgrinders have 6 members, it's 666,666.66, which is well over 20th level cumulatively, and 14th level non cumulatively.
using this estimate and adding all of this up, each member of the ratgrinders would have gathered enough xp to be level 20 cumulatively, and level 17 non cumulatively.
obviously the actual numbers would scale differently; initially, they would likely have to tackle these creatures as a party, but over time would take care of them individually. this is a bunch of kids doing the intro to class assignment for every assignment for two years straight.
level 20 seems extreme for the aguefort adventuring academy; let's scale it down a bit. the creatures specifically mentioned are probably giant rats, giant wolf spiders, and twig blights, based on the descriptions from jawbone.
all of these are CR 1/8, or 25 XP each. 80000 would give an xp total of 2,000,000, which would put each of the ratgrinders at around 11th level, a little higher level than the bad kids at the moment. however, since their fighting prowess scaled up, and they're probably going out in elmville and actively hindering the bad kids in some way, that level is very likely to increase.
what we saw in the episode
now the sticking point is mary ann rolling a 35. we know she got some kind of transmutation buff. a little tricky wording from brennan; fabian had enhance ability on, which is a transmutation spell. he did not say it was enhance ability.
mary ann is a barbarian, so she already gets advantage on athletics if she's raging, which i assume she was. the buff probably wouldn't be something that grants advantage.
assuming the lower estimate of 11th level, mary ann would get a +4 proficiency bonus, and i'm assuming she has 20 in strength, so +5 to her strength based skills, for a total of +9. at the high estimate of level 17, she would have a +6 to her proficiency bonus, which would give her a total of +11 to athletics. this is still not high enough to get a 35, even on a nat 20, which brennan would have declared if he had rolled one. she could conceivably accomplish this with the brawny feat, which allows for expertise in the athletics skill, which would give her a +17, meaning she could hit a 35 on a 18.
or, the buff was something like skill empowerment, which is a 5th level transmutation spell that gives the target expertise in a skill that they already have proficiency in. this spell is available to bards and wizards, among other classes, both of which we presume are in the ratgrinders. ruben could have cast skill empowerment on mary ann and given her bardic inspiration (lower estimate: d10, higher estimate: d12), both of which would have enabled that 35.
judging by the implication that she could not accomplish that feat without some kind of buff, i'm going with the latter explanation.
anyway i did too much math for this to not go in the stats series, or the school series. so this will be added to the spreadsheet later.
i hope this is useful.
#dimension 20#dimension 20 spoilers#musings on the solisian school district#dimension 20 meta#dungeons and dragons#milestone vs xp leveling#thisisnotthenerd's d20 stats#fantasy high#fantasy high junior year#ratgrinders#the bad kids#dnd mechanics#fhjy#fhjy spoilers#d20 spoilers#d20#d20 fantasy high#the perils of xp leveling
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There’s a secret part of me that wonders if the High Five Heroes turned Rat Grinders isn’t something nefarious at all, but actually pointing a very truly unfair thing that happened— when Gorgug and Kristen died in freshman year, Aguefort saved them and resurrected them with intense magic (sacrificing himself and another teacher). The moment I heard about Lucy dying, I immediately thought, “did aguefort or anyone try to offer them the same resource? If not, why?”
For a group of happy-go-lucky kids to develop “edgier” personalities (can’t think of a better word for it), I wonder if something really terrible happened to Lucy during one of their times in the woods.
Maybe they stay in the woods not because they think it’s easier, maybe they stay because something happened to their friend the one time they tried to go beyond.
And when they turned to their administration, maybe even the rogue teacher particularly or administration, instead of black and white on rules on paper, they gave them a “gray” option full of special circumstance.
I liked how everyone has been making the connection that the Rat Grinders and Bad Kids propose perfect rivals for each of them. It means that they have the option as Ayda said about two greatest wizards— they’ll either kill each other or save the world.
I’m excited to find out which BLeeM and the Intrepid Heroes choose
#fantasy high#fantasy high junior year#dimension 20#just guessing#there’salsothehighestchancethatlucyISdisguisedinplainsight#lucy frostblade#ratgrinders#gorgug thistlespring#kristen applebees#dimension 20 spoilers#brennan lee mulligan#emily axford#ryan murphy#lou wilson#ally beardsley#siobhan thompson
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Ok ok ok I've figured something out. The whole reason the bad kids went on the nightmare king quest in sophomore year was that it was 80% of their grade. If the rat grinders have done nothing but XP farm they clearly didn't go on a sophomore quest themselves. So how do they get around this fucking up their grade/being held back a year........... They fake the death of their cleric and switch to pass/fail!!!!
#dimension 20#fhjy#fhjy spoilers#ratgrinders#conspiracy theories#Riz clueboard is in my head#ep 6 theories#fantasy high#fantasy high junior year
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Maybe the Rat Grinders killed Lucy, but maybe it also wasn't their fault.
They said that Lucy was beaten to death by multiple assailants and beating is the most common way people attack when enraged. We know that we're contending with a god of rage who's name was written on Lucy's ribs.
We also know that this rage god has the power to send people into violent rages they have no control over, where they may attack those they love.
What if one day in the woods all the rat grinders except Lucy were spun into an uncontrollable rage that caused them to attack their friend.
What if at the end when they came out of it and saw their friend beaten and bloodied they were horrified, but also so very scared. They're just kids, what could be more terrifying than having to confess to a murder you didn't have any control over committing?
So they hide the body and agree to keep it quiet, letting Lucy just disappear.
#Fantasy High#Lucy Frostblade#Fantasy High Junior Year#Fantasy High Spoilers#Dimension 20#D20#The Ratgrinders#Ratgrinders#kipperlilly copperkettle#Ruben Hopclap#Mary Ann Skuttle#Ivy Embra#oisin hakinvar#I can also see them potentially being blackmailed with this information into helping the rage god#and my thought would be that Lucy was killed because she decided against worshiping the rage god#so the god killed her for rejecting them#and used the people she loved most to do it
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Okay so I’m a physical conspiracy board away from turning into Riz, but there’s one thing I cannot get out of my mind and that’s
The Rogue teacher found Kipperlilly. Not the other way around. The Rogue teacher found Kipperlilly.
Which means that the Ratgrinders have at least one teacher in their corner (likely two if Ruben and Henry Hopclap don’t share a name by pure fucking coincidence). What does the Rogue teacher have against the Bad Kids?? Have we met them already?? Are there more teachers with taking issue with them? I actually don’t think Porter, he’s just a dick. But like, somebody wants the Ratgrinders to get revenge for something.
What I think is likely:
- Lucy Frostblade died at the end of Junior Year due to something related to the Bad Kids shenanigans.
- This turned Ruben emo -> is there a clue hidden in his song? “In space no one can feel you dying” - is this what happened to Lucy?? Did Lucy go to Astral Space, either to look for YES! or for another god and did she die there? Did she die because of Cassandra? Did she die because of YES!? Did she die because of the Night Yorb?
- side note, I am throwing it out there, I think the Rogue teacher is that little aviator goblin - I don’t trust him, also Brennan pointedly said that kid was like Riz in Freshman year, only into aviation instead of detective stuff, and with how the Ratgrinders are so clearly mirrored after the Bad Kids I am suspicious. Bonus points if Ecaf is somehow involved, being an actual mirror. (Oh god I’m this close to writing an essay about how Brennan is holding up a mirror to all of his PCs this season and what this symbolizes in terms of growing up and such)
- Anyway, Lucy’s death must have something to do with the Bad Kids. Why else would they specifically request a Cleric of Helio for their party, if not to mess with Kristen?
This list has gotten away from me - anyway I cannot wait to find out what the Ratgrinders High Five Heroes did for their Sophomore Year project. I’ve got a feeling it’s really important
#dimension 20#fantasy high#fantasy high junior year#fhjy spoilers#d20 fhjy#kipperlilly copperkettle#Lucy frostblade#ratgrinders#ruben hopclap#kristen applebees
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I hope that the ratgrinders and the bad kids team up at the end and it’s like the ratgrinders finally get to experience saving the world and feel like they’ve made a difference and the bad kids finally don’t have to save the world by themselves and feel like the world is on their shoulders
#dimension 20#fhjy#d20#fantasy high junior year#ratgrinders#the bad kids#fantasy high#dimension 20 fantasy high
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