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xiyao-feels · 2 years

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How is JGY not a bad guy? Sure he did some good things but he’s a bad guy who did some good things.

Just like WWX! Exactly.

More seriously, I feel like if your take from MDZS is that we're supposed to round off people who do both genuinely bad and extraordinarily good things as "bad guys who do some good things" I think you have seriously misread the text. In JGY's case in particular I feel like people seriously underrate the good he does because a lot of it is...well, boring; the watchtowers project, a decade+ of good and peaceful government, even handling corruption in Carp Tower. It's very much not the kind of dramatic good thing we see WWX do, and moreover most of it happens during the timeskip and is of most importance to the less powerful, who we spend little time among and are definitely not the central characters. But in terms of actual good done, they're not only hugely impactful, but complicated and ongoing projects! Dismissing them as "a few good things" displays a, frankly embarrassing, either ignorance or apathy of how much work goes into that kind of thing.

And in JGY's case specifically—man, after we have the big "villain" reveal, after LXC stabs him to death, after all this happens, only then do we learn:

-JGY would never have attacked LXC like that! NHS was lying.

-JGY saved LXC after CR burned

-JGY helped with the rebuilding of CR

-JGY literally saves LXC's life right there, again, as his final act

-JGY was only in the temple to bring his mother's body with him; there was never any kind of superweapon

-In fact he made the temple for his mother.

-while we already knew he gave JL Fairy, we learn the context of his giving JL Fairy—a wonderful and thoughtful gift to a lonely and struggling child! And we have JL explicitly rejecting the idea that JGY was actually faking his kindness to JL.

-We have yet more very explicit parallels of the way people are treating JGY now, with the way they treated WWX back in the day.

All throughout and after his downfall, JGY's "bad guy" status is absolutely complicated by the narrative. Don't talk to me, talk to the text!

And as a final note—I think it is very, very telling that I basically never see this kind of language used about NMJ, even though he is 100% pro-Wen-extermination and argues against the Wen remnants at a moment when his support would have been crucial.

#this fandom has destroyed a lot of my illusions about people #I am very tired

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truly-morgan · 9 months

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[Platonic, raising a kid together, feat. aroace JC]

ChengYao | Mo Dao Zu Shi Modern AU 02-06-2021

[platonic #chengyao modern, family]

where aroace!JC decide to take care of jl when the couple and his parents die tragically in an accident. jgs seem rather satisfied in a way, he's getting too old to take care of an infant (a nanny would probably have done it), while mdm jin seems a bit unsure. "Will you be able to support jl?", "Are you eventually going to get married?", "You know, it would be good for jl (and you) not to bring him up alone", "You cannot stay alone forever, I can help you if you need it".

But eventually, she does accept to let jc keep jl with him. Conditions are rather simple: being able to see their grandchild at least once a month and making sure jl isn't missing anything important to his growth.

jc is also given money each month, but he feels a bit awkward using it for himself, so he uses it for everything related to jl needs (and puts some on the side so he can enter a good school without him needing to ask for the money).

but raising jl alone /is/ hard, especially with college, the still rather recent death of his family and while also missing wwx who had disappeared months ago without leaving many traces behind other than an apology for leaving. He's still worried his brother got into some serious problems.

jc is seriously weighing the pros and cons of leaving college to work full time when he receives the visit of someone. The red dot between his brows gives him a good idea of which family he is from (it's the same one he makes sure jl is also wearing) but his memory fails him to really remember who he is (his near-constant anxiety has been messing with his memory too). "Jin Guangyao" smiles the man, waiting patiently as jc's eyes roam his face, clearly searching in his memory.

Then it finally lands. jzx half-brother! He also vaguely remembers jgy being at the nie brother's house at the same time as he was to meet with nhs (he wonders slightly how nhs is doing, they haven't talked in a while). he quickly let the man in, offering him something to drink ("Hope the tea is to your taste" he says, knowing the jin's often prefer expensive teas rather than the cheap ones he can afford).

He's a bit anxious, sitting on his side of the table with jl in his arm, drinking his milk. Why did jgy suddenly want to meet at /his/ cheap apartment (most not be the greatest look on him, he /could/ afford better with the money the jin send him).

jgy is quick to somewhat reassure him, he simply wanted to meet his nephew too (jc wondered why he couldn't have done so when he was visiting jgs and mdm jin, but don't ask) they chat a bit, jgy trying to learn a bit about how jl is doing and how jc is managing everything. they talk until close to dinner, jc asking if he wants to stay for dinner (more out of courtesy than because he can afford to feed another grown man). With a smile, jgy (thankfully) declined, saying he doesn't want to bother him.

This visit leaves jc anxious. sure he had managed to convince jgs and mdm jin to let him take care of jl, but what if jgy now wanted to take jl in. sure, according to jgy own words, he was not as close to jzx and jc was with jyl, but he still had a good relationship with him and wanted to also be part of his brother's son life.

the thought fills jc with fear. jl is his /one and only/ family left, he doesn't know if he would be able to continue without this little ray of sunshine around. jc is not stupid, he's pretty sure jgy has more than enough money to take care of himself and a growing child. jc needs to rely on the money given to him to pay for what jl needs without starving himself to do so.

after that, jgy always messages him before coming, wanting to make sure he doesn't bother them. the man is always nice and patient with him, even though his nearly constant smiling face makes jc uncomfortable and anxious at times (sometimes it just looks a bit... off).

but everything seems alright, nothing shows him that jgy actually wants to take jl away from him. He never comments on the fact that jl always has the rather nice and good stuff, while jc is still wearing clothes he already had for years and eating cheap food.

though, he does show care for more than jl. "You look tired today, did you study all night? I can look over jl while you sleep a bit" (he did study all night and then worked all day), "Did you eat properly? You seem a bit thinner" (his hours were cut and he had to reduce grocery for himself), "Finals are coming right? Do you need some help to study? I know how hard it can get" (finals are coming too quickly).

It takes time, but eventually, jc gets used to jgy being over and helping around a bit. He gets to learn a bit more about jgy (He was raised poor, hence why he seems to know so well what jc is going through and doesn't judge and help around instead).

two years go by rather quickly like this, leading to jc graduating and looking for a stable job (maybe he'll finally be able to have a stable salary and a better place, he already move to somewhere more decent, but it's still not the best).

by that time, jgy is already part of the routine he has, but also the top person on the list of people to contact if he ever needs help. He's also the only jin he actually feels comfortable being more himself around, since he already understood jgy wasn't there to find fault.

"mdm jin wonders if you have had someone in your heart recently" points out jgy one time as they have dinner at his place, jl sleeping near them.

The question immediately makes jc tense, which makes jgy smile fall a bit (jc pointed out he doesn't always need to force a smile on his face when he's with him).

jgy quickly wonder if he asked something too personal, as he tried asking simply because the rare times he does meet with mdm jin, she would ask about it ("You seem close to jc, aren't you? Did he finally started dating?")

He had wondered a bit too, since he had never seen jc with anyone else before. But there was also never a trace of anyone else at the young man's house, apart from his own frequent visit. With how much jc was working and studying, it felt like he never would have had the time for dating.

"You don't need to-"

"Will she take away a-ling if I don't find someone?" asked jc, sounding a weird mix of tired, scared and anxious. The man looked as though needing to date someone would be an annoying task, rather than something pleasant.

"No?" he says, more as a question since he wonders where jc took this, "I think she just worries that you cut yourself from meeting people so you can take care of a-ling" he replies.

jc doesn't seem convinced. mdm jin had many times brought back the subject, and it had also included how it would probably be better if jl had two parents.

"And what if I don't want to date? What if I /never/ wanted to date?" jc asks, sounding a bit angrier at that, because it was not the first time someone was trying to force something on him. Was it really /that/ weird that he had never wanted to date anyone? That he had never fallen in love before? Many were raised with only one parent without a problem, was it so bad for him to do it like this too?

jgy seemed a bit taken aback, as he had not expected this reaction from jc. the younger man quickly realised he had vented his anger on the wrong person, he could see jgy wasn't meaning anything bad.+

"S-sorry, I didn't mean to vent on you, I am just... tired of being asked all the time" he quickly apologised, looking at his tea instead of jgy.

jgy soft smile quickly came back, trying to sound reassuring "It is alright not to want to date, I personally just wanted to make sure you weren't privating yourself if you wanted one".

He was rather happy when he saw tension leaving his shoulders, his face a bit more relaxed too. a more comfortable silence settled down, the both of them slowly sipping the tea. yet, jgy couldn't stop thinking about the way he had said it.

"You never wanted to date?" he asked. he didn't push when jc didn't immediately answer, before shaking his head. "No... is it that weird? I just... never felt like that for anyone" he finally confessed.

jgy was the second person he ever told. He sure hoped he would be as understanding as wwx (though maybe not as confused as the teen had been, it had been quite the night, trying to explain his lack of attraction, but in the end, wwx understood and accepted it).

"Not weird, I think one of my friends is similar to you" admitted jgy, clearly thinking about it. "he did try dating, but he said he doesn't feel anything for his partner so he broke up and never did it again".

jc was a bit curious about who it was, wondering if talking to him would make him encounter someone who /understands/ him really. "Do you want to date?" jc ended up asking after a while. He had also noticed the lack of anyone else living here (other than the occasional visit from his best friends he seemed to have).

"I think I've had enough the last time, I'll probably wait a bit before doing it again, didn't end very well, to be honest".

The rest of the night went with jc talking about how he feels about all this, while jgy ended up telling some story of his rather not-so-good dating life. They came out of this night a bit closer, knowing that the other wouldn't judge on anything, even this.

As time went by they only grew closer. Even if jc didn't have a wife, jl ended up growing up with two parental figures around him, as jgy was often around.

at some point, jc ended up simply moving in with jgy, as it was easier than always doing the travelling between their houses. It was also easier to take care of jl, as they wouldn't need to drop him all the time. Everything and everyone was in the same house now, much easier.

mdm jin did seem a bit curious, but seeing how both men were seriously taking care of jl without a problem she never commented on it (she still believed maybe one day they would marry someone). at some point (when jl was entering his late childhood), jc did wonder if jgy wanted to date "I wouldn't want to be in the way".

but jgy had admitted this was enough for him. He had something he could call a family (even if a bit unusual) and didn't feel the need for romance. (though he did promise to tell him if he ever felt the want to).

jc was indeed happy himself like this. It was really nice to have someone else he could call family in a way.

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(I had a sudden want for platonic chengyao taking care of jl, but also aroace!JC finding someone who accepts and understands him)

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#tweet archive #mdzs #mo dao zu shi #chengyao #jiang cheng #jin guangyao #jin ling #modern au #platonic couple #raising a kid #child caretaking #aroace jiang cheng #aroace headcanon

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robininthelabyrinth · 2 years

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Your answer to the last ask evoked this image of JGY making a dating spreadsheat to ensure he covers all his kinks as effectively as possible. As well as dating pro-con list with "being vulnerable vs potential gain from dating that person (ft JGYs unrelyable self perception)" and complicated 10 step plans for achieving specific fantasies of his (potentially other's as well. NHS would know that if he fatazises about a specific scenario that JGY has the connections and the brains.)

you - you get it!

but seriously, JGY is a fantastic mixture of extremely competent, organized, efficient and also Many Many Issues, only some of which he has admitted to himself. His perception is thoroughly skewed by his biases and assumptions (many of which are quite reasonable given his background, but not necessarily applicable), but despite that he has a fairly decent idea of what he wants - and he's a champion class schemer so he's going to Get It.

often in the most convoluted way possible, of course, because just asking is naturally completely out of the question

#to quote Death of Stalin #how can you run and plot at the same time?!#JGY is very capable thank you

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thepurplewombat · 1 year

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🔥 xiyao?

I love it. (there's an unpopular opinion for you, at least in the fandom at large haha) My personal headcanon is that after all the shit went down in the temple, LXC got hold of some Sun and Moon whatwhat mushroom spores and grew JGY a mushroom body, fed on LXC's qi and JGY's blood.

Everyone thought he was in seclusion, but no he was just tending JGY's body and practicing his demonic cultivation, plus trying to figure out how to get jgy out without bring NMJ along.

Once the body was ready he played JGY's soul into the body and they fucked off to go live on a mountain somewhere and raise yaks.

And I realise that this may have been more a fic idea than an unpopular opinion, so here's another: I'm a big fan of the idea that LXC was not just oblivious to JGY killing NMJ with Turmoil, but actively complicit. It's something I haven't been able to get out of my head since I read a meta/fic (it's a fic but it's presented as a historical paper, is there a word for that?) presenting some really compelling points on the subject.

It's just so juicy! I'm not sure it works with canon because there are some parts that only work if LXC is either ignorant of the situation or lying like a pro, but I love it.

Do any of these even count?

This one might be? I think JGY could be happy as Lan-furen, if the stars aligned and the fates were kind.

#Xiyao #My opinions are all so basic bitch #None of them qualify as unpopular 🤣

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amokslime · 2 years

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MDZS PRO WRESTLING AU

Now under a cut because I realized how godforsakenly long it is:

Maybe it's galaxy brained but hear me out:

Wei Wuxian's descent from beloved irreverent face into behated heel with a dedicated fan base

Jiang Cheng the extremely polarizing face/heel/face/heel guy who meanmugs at the audience regardless of whether they're cheering for him or not

Wei Wuxian jumping out of a coffin to interrupt his own funeral a-la the Undertaker

JYL as their manager who gets engaged to the promotional company's son

Wen Ning who starts out as a gentle scaredy-cat character who doesn't know his own strength, but ends up as WWX's modern prometheus themed crony. Grew up watching pro-wrestling on TV

Wen Qing as the on-site doctor who's so very tired of treating wrestling related injuries.

JZX is a very stiff, money themed, rich boy owner's son type character but all he wants is just to be happy and unperceived. He just wants to retire and be a boring house husband but he can't get away. (He eventually escapes don't worry)

JGY as the Nie Bro's long-suffering manager whose life is full of real, unscripted family drama he cannot escape

Nie Bros as a Powerhouse/Trickster duo

NHS blowing kisses at opponents to interrupt their grandstanding monologues and then hiding behind NMJ when they get mad him

NMJ's character is a berserker who just like. Screams and rips open his shirt as his entrance bc he didn't have any other ideas.

Twin Jades of Lan as untouchable technical faces who refuse to break rules to the extent that they should be boring, but they're. Very popular.

Wangxian tag team -> nemesis -> tag team. It's a extremely long running recurring storyline that thrives on WWX's image change into his goth aesthetic heel character

NMJ and JGY falling out after JGS orchestrates an unscripted, career ending screwjob on NMJ after NMJ openly/bluntly acknowledges his bad behavior while on video (for anybody who hasn't been cursed with a pro wrestling special interest: a screwjob is an unfair or controversial finish that often involves cheating or outside interference)

After this, NHS goes through a scripted character arc of teaming up with a revolving string of other characters in order to get "revenge" on whichever poor wrestler got pressured into doing the unscripted takedown on NMJ. But then he also exposes JGS for tax evasion in real life and almost causes the demise of the whole company

The drama. The mess. The gender and sexuality of it all. The way everyone acts like they're divorced from everybody else. The unscripted real life betrayals that are treated as spectacle. The court of public opinion and the dissonance between reputation and inner life. My third eye is open

#THIS IS SO LONG IM SORRY #this post is a disaster but i stand by the WWE-ification of MDZS and the Danmeification of WWE #mdzs #My dear fiancé suggested NHS going off script to flirt with Jiang Cheng which then becomes an ongoing schtick for them #JC tries to meanmug him but keeps bluescreening. poor guy #Our sangcheng brain worms are showing #Also despite being captivated by pro wrestling history I haven't watched very many matches & i'm not an expert. Sorry if something is wonky #pro wrestling au

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llycaons · 8 months

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got done with that really long cheating fic and here's what I got

like pros

really strong wx dynamic. the emotional scenes HIT and kept me coming back. love how they seamlessly went from 'best friends of 20 years' to 'deeply in love and ready to move in together' in under a weak with nary a dramatic miscommunication. that familiarity translated to well to romantic compatibility and joy in each other's presence. really lovely relationship dynamics and mutual obsession

the barbie princess and the pauper line

"She never tried to see me!" Wei Ying is babbling... "Never saw me, not me me, not, Wei Ying, this is my Wei Ying, no, just, some random husband, a husband she didn’t even try to like, she had to marry me but she —" His voice breaks. "She never liked me for me. Why would she like me for me."

there's another part when he talks like 'she didn't try to love me for me' and this is nearly verbatim the same song as Barbie" Princess and the Pauper "If you Love Me for Me", on the one hand this does kind of make wwx sound like a sulky child but on the other hand he's right and it's not fair and it's an emotional line that fits the story

some of the best cuddling I've ever read. dang. not enough authors dwell on the cuddling. also the naked in-depth conversations were really nice and intimate without always being sexual which I appreciated

that scene towards the end where wwx sees the video of his parents interacting with him and saying they loved him oooohh that went into resolving his abandonment issues so well

I really liked how wwx's relationship to sexuality was written. not his relationship to being into guys so much, but like, his relationship with sex? the demi tag put me off but it actually felt pretty true to his character even tho I see it differently for him in canon. of that makes sense. like I think his canon nonengagement with sex during the majority of the show (in the drama) is more related to trauma and just trying to survive bc in the CR arc he was definitely teasing in sexually aware ways but this also feels true for him? hard to explain

the jumping around in time was really neat, especially when each one has its own plot to be resolved and it all accumulated to the sum of its parts in the end

qs is a lawyer and so is jgy which was neat

otherwise???? very strange!!!

wwx and lwj not being aware of being into men until literally their 30s. lwj literally goes on a date with a woman and kisses her. and talks about wanting to be prepared for a gf. like apparently this setting is even more homophobic than ours but I still think that's really ooc! in the novel lwj did grow up in a hostile social environment and he knew how he felt at like age 15. idk I've grown up in a fairly accepting area and that's not something i've personally struggled with so this isn't a personal judgement on realism or w/e, it's a judgement on character. lwj responding to the suggestion he might be gay and reacting with defensiveness and repression may work for his younger self, but by 30 years old? I don't see it

wwx marrying a woman was less weird than I expected because it was essentially arranged/to repay his debt to the jiangs but the debt part doesn't even seem to matter after the marriage bc when wwx is upset at himself for cheating he's like 'oh shit I feel terrible' and 'I need to divorce her so I can be with lwj' but he doesn't spare a thought as to how that would retroactively fuck up his debt payment??? I liked how he was written in a lot of ways but this was so baffling. does he care abt it or not

lqr is the single kindest and most nonjudgemental adult wwx knows. now I love him. but that is just not accurate to his canon self. judgement and strictness is a huge part of his character

very little interactions with jfm or jyl, and I know jfm sucks but he DOES care about wwx and it was weird to see him entirely missing from wwx's life. and jyl! she's barely in it

overall very weak sibling dynamics, which I don't usually mind bc the romance is so well done, but it felt wrong even to me

jc and wq apparently married with KIDS god help her

the het sex scenes were weird and uncomfortable

NHS IS MARRIED TO A WOMAN actually that's not wild ig he could be bi but he always bickers w his wife while jc is happy w wq and they have kids and that just seems wrong I don't think jc should have domestic bliss im sorry its just not in his character he has a terrible personality and way too much history with the wens in canon obvi. nhs however is clever and strategic and I don't think he'd ever agree to marry someone he doesn't actually like? unless the implication is he's gay and also unhappily het married but even then if anyone could figure out a lavender marriage situation it would be him

qs was not villainized or anything and I liked how her story with wwx ended but there was a really stressful scene of wwx angrily punchnig a wall during one of their arguments and that just never came up again even though he apologized for the cheating so that was weird. like it's hard to ignore the gender dynamics of a younger woman married to a man against her will and I think he was overall very respectful but he at one point is upset that jc got a choice in his wife and wwx himself didn't, which would be fine except again his wife is WEN QING and it's hard to believe she willingly chose to marry him so it just sounds like he doesn't give a shit about women in the same situation even tho I'm sure in this setting it was mutual. somehow. also why are he and wq not besties 🥺

anyway I feel like qs was easy to side against bc wwx was so miserable bc of her so it felt like the reader was primed to dislike her. and I obviously don't want to downplay the homophobia wwx experienced in his unhappy het marriage but it felt very focused on the men in ways I did find misogynistic but since it's a story that focuses so closely on wwx and lwj I think that's hard to avoid? idk. there could have been another female character in it. I guess

also the drunk sex scene...he's not really coordinated but he's thinking pretty clearly so I felt okay about it but also??? why did they do that???

also later they have the little 'oh hehe you can do whatever you want to me' but besides that first sex scene there was nothing of even dubious consent

#can't believe the author plagarized a barbie princess and the pauper song smh #still better than the knitting fic! lmao #ficblogging

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jiangwanyinscatmom · 2 years

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I’m pro nmj when it comes to jgy and pro jgy when it comes to nmj. No wonder I ship nieyao.

I am pro neither as both are terribly hypocritical and deserve each other for being trash that only think in black and white.

#mdzs #mo dao zu shi #sorry but both suck lol #neither are above each other #as one is a rapist #and the other is a hypocrite preaching about righteousness

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songofclarity · 2 years

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It’s so annoying when sexist JGY stans call Qin Su a “non-entity”. She has one good scene when she slaps JGY and demands answers from him about the death of their son, and imo there are some interesting parallels between her storyline and that of Mo Xuanyu.

Qin Su is far more than just one good scene and a slap!

I can see some parallels between her and Mo Xuanyu, but I actually see them as opposites. Jin Guangyao pulled her in because she was kind to him and useful for his ambitions at Koi Tower while he drove Mo Xuanyu off because he was a threat just by existing. The harsh way Mo Xuanyu was driven off due to accusations of incest set a precedent that the Jin don't tolerate such behavior, thus he pro-actively protected himself against any future accusations with Qin Su.

I see Qin Su as a very blatant parallel to Lan Xichen/Nie Mingjue and their relationships with Jin Guangyao. Yes, she has one good scene but it was also a scene about their life together and what happens now.

Qin Su buried her head into her arms, "Stop talking, stop talking, stop reminding me!!! I wish I never knew you, I wish that I'm not related to you at all! Why did you approach me in the first place?!" After a moment of silence, Jin Guangyao answered, "I know that you won't believe me, no matter what I say, but it was sincere, back then."

I do want to honestly believe Jin Guangyao liked her at the beginning. She was kind to him (just like Lan Xichen and Nie Mingjue were kind to him) and she never looked down on him because of his background (just like Lan Xichen and Nie Mingjue never looked down on him). She gave him a chance and accepted him and cared about him (just like Lan Xichen and Nie Mingjue had done).

Like god damn, she even agreed to have pre-marital sex with him when the family negotiations weren't looking good. For her part, I do think she loved him, innocently unaware or not that he was trying to baby trap her into getting that marriage agreement signed as plan B.

Qin Su was good and kind to him and never did him any wrong. That the public saw them both as this perfect couple, as the very standard of a respectful and caring relationship in the cultivation world, proves this. She was exactly what he needed and she gave him everything and he took everything from her in the end.

Because now she knows the truth. And we see how Jin Guangyao just refuses to see anyone's PoV except his own. He refuses to acknowledge he is a part of any problem:

Jin Guangyao, "A-Su, before you knew of it, didn't we live perfectly fine? You only felt uncomfortable and began to vomit today, now that you know. We can see that this isn't anything at all. It won't be able to do any physical harm to you. Your mind is the only thing doing all this." (ch. 47)

What happened to Qin Su isn't seen as actual harm because it's not physical. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

[Jin Guangyao,] "Lan Xichen! In this life, I've lied countless times, killed countless times. Like you said, I killed my father, my brother, my wife, my son, my teacher, my friend--of all the evil in the world, what haven't I done?!" He took in a breath, rasping, "But I've never even thought of harming you!" (ch. 108)

Not to mention Jin Guangyao's manner of killing Nie Mingjue was to get inside his head and push Nie Mingjue to insanity--which is pretty much what he also does to Qin Su by pushing her to suicide. Jin Guangyao explains she is trapped with him forever and the whole cultivation world will be disgusted and repulsed by her if the truth comes out, which it will if she tries to leave him. MDZS is full of horror moments but this is perhaps the scariest of them all because situations like this are very, very real.

Yes, her slap is powerful and her anger over her son justified, but there is so much more happening in this scene with all its parallels and revelations and insight into just how fucked up Jin Guangyao can be towards the people he claims to care about.

[Jin Guangyao,] "I'm grateful for you until the end of my life, and I want to respect you, cherish you, love you. But, you have to know that even if A-Song hadn't been killed, he had to die. He could only die. If we let him grow up, you and I…" (ch. 47)

tl;dr Calling Qin Su a non-entity while being a fan of Jin Guangyao is very funny, like are people really outing themselves like that?

#mdzs thoughts #anon #asked from above #poorly organized thoughts lol

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leatherbookmark · 2 years

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nnn i know i’m already wrong because this post is about cql and not the novel, but i’m physically unable to un-franken the canon in my head, so i’d say I Kinda Disagree!

(well, i’m still *tilts head to the sides like a confused puppy* on the nmj vs jgy part, but that’s mostly because that one scene in the novel (the “well if you’re not planning the oath you have nothing to worry about!” one) kinda makes lxc seem like an almost willfully obtuse asshole... but i guess you could risk an interpretation that the denial he’s in isn’t particularly about the conflict between jgy and nmj, but rather the severity of nmj’s saber brain disease and the seriousness of his threats. i’m not really sure whether they really were close friends since they were young, or if their relationship is more based on the fact they’re both young sect leaders, but i could see lxc 1) getting used to nmj’s rough manner of being and just being unable to realize that it’s not normal, 2) being unable to realize what it’s like to be someone like jgy and have a both politically, physically and cultivation-wise powerful man furious at you. but I DIGRESS)

because... well, is he unaware? cql made this scene explicitly about wangxian, but it’s its own invention. lxc telling wwx about lwj’s scars only happened in the guanyin temple, and was completely different in tone; moreover, while in cql wwx asks breaches the topic himself, in the novel lxc says outright that “if you don’t remember [what happened in the cave in the burial mounds] then wangji wouldn’t tell you, and you wouldn’t ask him either”. (besides, i think in the original the xianqinged lwj got the lashes because he was... protecting wen qing? there was something like that) so the scenes are completely different in general.

but in the novel, the conversation in front of the gentian house takes place directly after them discussing the Evil Japanese Music in the library pavillion. it IS him realizing, and pointing out to wwx, that his and his father’s problems are similar AND when he asks wwx what should one do in such a situation, neither of them can find a definite answer. this is what this scene is about: it’s hard, it’s painfully hard, to even try to be impartial and follow the justice when the matter is concerning the person you love (xiyao theories aside, i think a friendship as long and close as lxc and jgy’s can be counted as love), especially when it’s not just “my friend drowned a bag full of puppies for sport”.

and i don’t think lxc “not knowing and not wanting to know” is just a case of him covering his ears going nananana i can’t hear you so you’re not here.

first, again: the... moral and righteous note of wgxn’s relationship is great, but it is another cql invention, because what lwj feels for wwx in the novel is, plainly speaking, rather obvious romantic attraction and you had to put something in the hole cutting that attraction out has created. hence, wangxian sharing ideals.

second: here, i think, once again we have to consider that lxc is a future sect leader. i don’t think lqr provided him his parents’ problem as a mediating exercise, so to speak. lwj doesn’t seem to know the exact details about their parents’ history, so i think it just wasn’t something the lan sect talked about (just like lwj’s own mess). besides, the lan may be considered a bunch of sticks in the mud doing nothing but following their 298754 stuffy rules, but in reality, they -- or at least those lans we know -- are very intense and rarely feel indifferent to something. say, a jiang, asked about whether something is good or bad, might go “ehhh i dunno, i mean... i feel it’s alright as long as you don’t overdo it?”, but a lan will give you a (detailed) list of pros and cons and THEN their own (detailed) opinion.

so: telling a future heir something like this could be a risk. this is his mother we’re talking about. if he concludes that she’s the one in the wrong and a criminal*, he might end up hating her, which is uh. kinda unfilial. but if he concludes that the lan sect/qingheng-jun treated her badly, he might end up detesting his sect -- how is he supposed to lead it, then? what if he becomes another lan yi, ruling with a fist full of qin strings? Not Optimal!

* i don’t think she killed a whole lan elder Just Because He Annoyed Her, but i feel this example wasn’t 100% serious, so

third: i also don’t think “i didn’t ask hehe :)” was the case here with jgy. again: if lxc asked, jgy would have to either reply or refuse to reply, and both could make him uncomfortable at best and put him in a politically inconvenient position at worst. jgy serves his father, he can’t just shit talk him, he can’t refuse his orders**, and besides, getting acknowledged was his, and his mother’s, goal in life. he’s essentially stuck, and while lxc isn’t aware of the full scope of the jgs experience, i think he just doesn’t want to make jgy even more uncomfortable than he already is. this is why he doesn’t ask. besides: he already showed that he trusted jgy not to be a sword-happy murderer for the fun of it, and he --

(reasonably. i don’t know why people in this fandom are so quick to judge lxc for going hey but context??, but i guess it’s like, fandoms of tragic stories often produce lots of happy-go-lucky AUs and vice versa; so a story that shows that nothing is purely black and purely white has a fandom that... sighs)

-- assumed jgy had reasons for the things he’s done. what would it look like, then, if he suddenly started asking questions? if he turned out to be distrustful, just like nmj?

** and what do you think would happen if jgy told lxc about the corpse workshop? lxc would know about the corpse workshop. he’d either have to do something about it, which could end VERY badly for jgy and the intersect relationship, OR to remain silent about people’s suffering.

like... i really don’t think lxc is just covering his ears for comfort, and in the end it comes back to bite him in the ass, hehehe. the story would be much poorer for that, because again: if the solution to everyone’s problem was “just talk”, it wouldn’t be a good story at all. jc and wwx’s problems don’t happen because they’re “bad at communication! just eat soup and hug, idiots!”, it’s because of the way they were raised, because of their traumas and different worldviews. and similarly, lxc isn’t a personification of a “don’t be willfully ignorant to stay comfy! take a stand!***” lesson, he’s a complex character with his own share of, yes, trauma, whose upbringing was... well, his upbringing. and we really can’t forget that lxc doesn’t have the freedom lwj has, cmon

*** or even a “take a stand! but not this one, this is a stupid stand! the other one!”

but again, the post was about cql, so. waves a hand. but Then cql, if you operate without the information from the novel, often becomes either simplified or just plain nonsensical, so...

#another example of 'well technically you're right but you're right in a way that's slightly mean to my blorbo so i'm going to disagree'#Yes. i Will woobify your faves that don't even need to be woobified. NOTHING is their fault and they did NOTHING wrong. fight me #shrimp thoughts

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