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listen-to-the-inner-walrus · 10 months

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so theres a lot of posts going round about the titanic wreck and the missing submarines; all of them that ive seen have made very good points about how shoddy the submersible seemed to be and how the company decided to wait eight hours before reporting it, and how this is a play stupid games, win stupid prizes for the ultra-wealthy who paid like 250grand a ticket for this thing.

but what i havent seen any posts about is how the titanic wreck is a gravesite and this tourism is disturbing the graves of over 1500 people.

sometimes its kinda hard to remember that those on the titanic were real people; it was over a century ago, the story has been romanticised in so many ways (like the movie), theres conspiracies theories galore that cloud everything with misinformation, but at the end of the day, those who died were real people.

do you want their names? heres a list of them; its a long read. and for fun, heres another site where you can see photos of the children and babies who died aboard.

their bodies are long gone and their lives long forgotten. all we have to remember them and honour them is the wreck itself. its all we have of them and it is their gravesite. its their tombstone.

caitlin doughty/ask a morticians video on the great lakes discusses the topic well, and why we should leave these shipwrecks alone because again, they are the gravesites of all the souls who died aboard those ships. we rarely have bodies to recover so we really are left just with the wreck.

and what really upsets me about titanic tourism is how the majority of those who died that night were not the ultra-wealthy rich folks you might picture when you think of ocean liners.

61% of the first class passengers survived

42% of the second class passengers survived

24% of the third class passengers survived

24% of the crew survived **

the majority of those who died that night were regular folk; not to be cliche, but they were just like us. titanics wreck is not only a gravesite for over 1500 people, its also a majority working class gravesite.

and look at us now. look at what were doing. the ultra-wealthy can pay the equivalent of peanuts to them to disturb a mass gravesite of the exact kind of people they exploit today to hold onto all their wealth.

its easy to point and laugh at these dumb idiots in their playstation controller submarine, seemingly held together with super glue and duct tape, but its also important to remember that what they were doing was simply disturbing a gravesite for fun. though the company does research, these guys werent down there to conduct research, they were there so they could brag about it to their friends. its like “climbing mount everest” while your sherpa does all the work.

if you cant tell, i have a lot of feelings about this. shipwrecks and ocean liners are one of my special interests and im currently building a (beginner’s) model of the titanic, for fucks sake. but i would never go down to see that wreck because its a fucking gravesite and we should not be disturbing their final resting place.

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somelazyassartist · 10 months

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I am so very much for "fuck rich people" I could not give less of a shit about rich people. but as someone very very very very very into researching the Titanic please just fucking wait for more information to come out because (as of writing this) there's literally no proof other than one article from a dodgy news site that doesn't even say for sure in it if there were any "rich people" on it. It makes me fucking nuts seeing how much fucking brain rot that goddamn James Cameron movie has done to the public's perception of the Titanic. I hope you know James Cameron got fucking sued and had to give public apologies for how badly he portrayed some of the shit in that movie- AND RIGHTFULLY SO! I could talk at length about all the shit he fucked up but it would take me ages. But long story short, the Titanic was not "full of rich people who deserved it" and as of what we know at the moment the Titan submersible wasn't either. There's DEFINITELY some shitty setups in OceanGate that should have been fixed beforehand that we need more transparency about so we can find the missing submersible, but stop eating out of Cameron's shitty historically inaccurate hands before we get more information about this situation

#oceangate expeditions #rms titanic #titanic

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thepastisalreadywritten · 10 months

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American financier Jay Bloom offered 'last minute' discounted price to sit in doomed Titan submersible with his son - but he turned it down over safety concerns

An American tycoon has revealed a text exchange with submersible chief executive Stockton Rush, who tried to convince he and his young son to pay for a reduced six-figure seat to see the Titanic by telling him: "It was safer than crossing the street."

By David Wu

June 24, 2023

An American tycoon has revealed how submersible chief executive Stockton Rush tried to convince he and his son to buy two tickets on the doomed Titan vessel.

Financier Jay Bloom shared the text exchange with Mr Rush months before the CEO died with four other passengers when the craft suffered a "catastrophic implosion."

He tried to offer his friend a "last minute price" of $AUD225,000, with the original cost of the seat valued about $365,000 in April for an expedition the following month.

The first messages started as far back as February, when the chief executive wondered if there was an interest to see the famous shipwreck in the Atlantic Ocean.

Mr Bloom said his son Sean had been "put a little scare in him" after one of his friends researched the dangers of travelling in deep waters.

"I'm happy to have a video call with him. Curious what the uninformed would say the danger is and whether it's real or imagined," Mr Rush responded.

The financier said his son was worried about "perceived threats to the vessel," such as a sperm whale or a giant squid attack compromising Titan's hull.

"Yeah, very stupid. The pressure is over 100 million pounds. No sperm whale or squid is ever going to be able to mess with the sub," Mr Rush replied.

"While there's obviously risk, it's way safer than flying in a helicopter or even scuba diving. There hasn't been even an injury in 35 years in a non-military subs."

Three days later, Mr Rush would again try to reassure Mr Bloom and his son by sending a link to how deep sperm whales can go underwater.

Mr Bloom said he was not concerned about being eaten by a whale and decided to set up a Skype call, so his questions could be answered properly.

There would be limited text communication before Mr Rush sent a message on April 24, offering discounted tickets to see the Titanic wreck.

"Have a space on mission 1 (may 11-19) and 2 (may 20-28). Last minute price is $150k pp," the chief executive advised.

Mr Bloom said he would have to check his schedule to see if he could fit it in, as Mr Rush asked three days later: "Any luck?"

That trip would be later postponed to June 18 due to weather conditions.

Mr Bloom shared the messages to his Facebook page.

The financier even met face-to-face on March 1 with Mr Rush, who took him through the Titanic Exhibit at Luxor in Las Vegas before having lunch at a food court.

"He was absolutely convinced it was safer than crossing the street," Mr Bloom said on the post about his interactions with the creator of Titan.

Mr Rush also gave him a limited edition of a book of photos signed by him and French mariner Paul-Henri Nargeolet, 77, who was also aboard the submersible.

Mr Bloom advised he could not join them on the once-in-a-lifetime trip until 2024.

Their tickets were later sold to prominent Pakistani businessman Shahzada Dawood and his 19-year-old son Suleman, the latter who was "terrified" to go.

The fifth person was adventurer and British billionaire Hamish Harding.

The five men entered Titan and started their 3,800m journey down to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean on Sunday morning.

However, less than two hours into the trip, mothership Polar Prince lost contact with the roughly six-metre long vessel, which sparked a large-scale international search.

The United States Coast Guard on Thursday (local time) confirmed pieces of debris found near the Titanic wreck belonged to the missing submersible.

"An ROV subsequently found additional debris, in consultation with experts from within the unified command, the debris is consistent with the catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber (of Titan)," Coast Guard Rear Admiral John Mauger told reporters.

Undersea expert Paul Hanken said five major different pieces of debris had led experts to conclude they were the remains of the OceanGate Expeditions craft.

"The initial thing we found was a nose cone, which was outside of the (Titan) pressure hull. We then found a large debris field and within that large debris field we found the front and back of the pressure hull," he said to reporters.

"Shortly thereafter, we found a second, smaller debris field and within that debris field we found the other end of the pressure hull.

"(It) ultimately contained the totality of that pressure vehicle. That was our first indication that there was a catastrophic event."

It was revealed the US Navy had detected an "anomaly consistent with implosion or explosion" where Titan was reported missing hours after the sub departed.

The Transportation Safety Board (TSB) of Canada announced on Friday (local time) it has launched an investigation, as Polar Prince was a Canadian-flagged ship.

A team of investigators will travel to St Johns in Canada's Newfoundland and Labrador where they will "gather information and conduct interviews."

It will also coordinate its operation with other agencies.

TSB will provide updates throughout the investigation.

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your-beast0fburden · 10 months

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I for one, will never forget the name Stockton Rush, or his irresponsible company and idea OceanGate, and OceanGate Expeditions. The amount of money that was sunk into very little research, planning, and safety protocols nearly makes my own mind implode. Just because they’re eliminating evidence that the company ever existed on the internet does not mean we should stop talking about all the other INFINITE possibilities that this money could have went towards….

For instance, a paper-mâché skyscraper to conduct important business in, a motorcycle made entirely of tin foil so the driver and can lift it up and down with ease, or maybe even a pedestrian bridge composed of just a thin layer of canvas so the people can paint on it if they so please. So many good, solid ideas out there… wasted.

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ashleybenlove · 10 months

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Legal Eagle posted a video this morning about OceanGate and I'm having complicated feelings that Stockton Rush himself won't have any direct legal smackdowns happen to him because well... he imploded in the Atlantic.

On the one hand, his hubris already got him.

On the other hand, legal smackdowns.

#ashleybenlove posts #oceangate expeditions #2023 titan submersible incident

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icegrillz · 10 months

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#oceangate expeditions #titan submersible #mythbusters

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blueiskewl · 2 years

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Stunning New 8K Footage Shows the Titanic as it's never been seen before

New footage has been released showing the wreck of the RMS Titanic as it's never been seen before: in full 8K quality, the highest screen resolution currently available.

That's a horizontal resolution of 8,000 pixels, or twice as clear as a 4K TV. And it means there's an unprecedented level of detail and color in this latest exploration of the 110-year-old shipwreck.

The video was captured by OceanGate Expeditions on its 2022 visit to the site, which lies 2.4 miles below the surface of the North Atlantic, some 400 nautical miles from Newfoundland, Canada.

OceanGate runs expeditions to the Titanic wreck with crews of submersible dive experts, Titanic historians, and research scientists, alongside civilian "mission specialists" who pay $250,000 for the privilege of being one of the few people to have ever seen the legendary ship's final resting place first-hand.

"The amazing detail in the 8K footage will help our team of scientists and maritime archaeologists characterize the decay of the Titanic more precisely as we capture new footage in 2023 and beyond," said Stockton Rush, president of OceanGate Expeditions, in a press release. What's even more remarkable, he added, is "the phenomenal colors."

The extraordinary wreck is decaying at a rapid pace. Saltwater and sea pressure have silently been wreaking damage over the past century and more, while microbes eat away at the steel hull, creating thousands of rusticles -- those oxidized orange-green formations that hang off the Titanic like so many thousands of icicles. Some estimates say the ship will vanish in a matter of decades.

#Stunning New 8K Footage Shows the Titanic #RMS Titanic #Titanic #OceanGate Expeditions #British passenger liner #White Star Line

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geekysteven · 10 months

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[Image description Marge Simpson and Homer with his face replaced by Stockton Rush inside a submarine. She says "See all that stuff in there, Stockton? That's why your submarine never worked."]

#marge simpson #homer simpson #the simpsons #Simpsons #Stockton Rush #Titanic #Oceangate expeditions

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ricisidro · 10 months

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Archival records show that Wendy Rush, wife of #OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, is the great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Straus, immortalized by James Cameron in #Titanic (1997).

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listen-to-the-inner-walrus · 10 months

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since theres a lot of discussions about shipwrecks and deep sea submersibles happening right now, im just gonna quickly recommend this video which details how caladan oceanic found the samuel b roberts.

the samuel b roberts was a destroyer escort sank during the battle off samar during ww2. the wreck was found last year and is 22,621 feet/6885 metres deep which is almost 10,000 feet or 3000 metres deeper than the titanic and is currently the deepest wreck ever found.

in the video, you see a deep sea submersible (which can go down to 36,000 feet/10,973 metres) that isnt a tin can finished up with duct tape, super glue and glittery gel pens. it is piloted by an expert and they swap out pilots every day to avoid exertion or fatigue, and they have a very complex sonar system for finding wrecks. the longest they can go down is 16 hours and they keep in contact with their ship above and have to get clearance just for half an hour more.

when they find the wreck, they look around it to ensure they can identify it and map it out as well as they can, and then head back up to shore. they then hold a funeral service for those who died and leave a wreath on the ocean surface above where the wreck lays.

while im somewhat sketched out by the founder victor vescovo, the company does important work in terms of furthering our understanding of the ocean and finding wrecks which are the gravesites of those who passed. and they are not disrespectful to those whose graves lay 22,000 feet/6700 metres down on the seabed.

and what i would like to point out is how the samuel b roberts is protected against unauthorised disturbance by the sunken military craft act. you would need a permit from the naval history and heritage command (and a submarine that can withstand all the pressure) to go see it.

which, as ive said many times in the last two days, is something that the titanic should also have protection against. there should be laws in place that do not allow people to treat a mass fucking gravesite as a tourist spot.

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somelazyassartist · 10 months

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Also: absolutely fuck everyone who's saying the people in the Titan submarine deserve to be missing down there because "they wasted their money on something so dangerous and stupid". This is the same shit that pissed me off with the James Cameron movie giving the public the misconception that the passengers on the Titanic were all horrible rich people who deserved to die (and straight-up openly and admittedly vilified REAL HUMAN BEINGS WHO PASSED AWAY TRAGICALLY for the sake of telling a story about fictional characters that did not exist and did not live through a real horrific event).

(all rambling below is based off of what I'm aware of currently, and information here might become outdated as more articles are released discussing the details of the missing Titan submersible, please keep that in mind)

This OceanGate Expedition isn't even confirmed yet to have had civilians on it or not, it's only been rumored to. As far as we know everybody on that ship is a researcher just doing their fucking job like any of the OceanGate researchers on land right now. At the moment there's absolutely no proof that anybody "wasted their riches" on this trip. Not to mention that, as far as I'm aware from what I've read, the entire reason OceanGate decided they needed to accept civilian guests on their trips is because they literally could not get the funding to keep researching Titanic otherwise. The Titanic is most likely going to be fully eroded by 2030 at current estimate. We only have a little bit of time left to document its resting place, and that's exactly what they're trying to do. As far as I'm aware the trips with civilians would have ZERO physical contact with the ship and would not be taking any artifacts from its resting place, it's just for scientifically documenting what is left of it now and monitoring the rate of future decay, before it's gone forever and looks no different from the rest of the debris on the sea floor. If I hear one more person, with the limited info we have available at the moment, say these people deserve to suffocate at the bottom of the Atlantic for the fucking "crime" of doing their JOB, you're immediately getting blocked and I do not care. More information will be coming soon but there is absolutely zero proof at the time of me writing this that ANYBODY deserves to be trapped down there.

#btw yes people are actually saying that shit I've blocked a couple of them now #death tw #death trigger warning #death mention #suffocation tw #suffocation trigger warning #nobody's dead as far as we know but I'm tagging it anyways just in case #titanic #the rms titanic #rms titanic #oceangate expeditions #oceangate titan #titan oceangate

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thepastisalreadywritten · 10 months

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Titanic sub suffered 'catastrophic implosion,' all five aboard dead

By Joseph Ax and Steve Gorman

23 June 2023

June 22 (Reuters) - The five people aboard a missing submersible died in a "catastrophic implosion," a U.S. Coast Guard official said on Thursday, bringing a grim end to the international search for the vessel that was lost during a deep-sea voyage to the wreck of the Titanic.

"These men were true explorers who shared a distinct spirit of adventure, and a deep passion for exploring and protecting the world's oceans," OceanGate Expeditions, the U.S.-based company that operated the Titan submersible, said in a statement.

"Our hearts are with these five souls and every member of their families during this tragic time."

An unmanned robot deployed from a Canadian ship discovered the wreckage of the Titan on Thursday morning about 1,600 feet (488 meters) from the bow of the century-old wreck, 2-1/2 miles (4 km) below the surface in a remote area of the North Atlantic, U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral John Mauger said at a press conference.

"The debris field here is consistent with a catastrophic implosion of the vehicle," Mauger said.

The five aboard included the British billionaire and explorer Hamish Harding, 58; Pakistani-born business magnate Shahzada Dawood, 48, and his 19-year-old son, Suleman, both British citizens; French oceanographer and Titanic expert Paul-Henri Nargeolet, 77, who had visited the wreck dozens of times; and Stockton Rush, the American founder and chief executive of OceanGate, who was piloting the submersible.

Rescue teams from several countries had spent days searching thousands of square miles of open seas with planes and ships for any sign of the 22-foot (6.7-meter) Titan.

The submersible lost contact with its support ship on Sunday morning, June 18, about an hour and 45 minutes into what should have been a two-hour descent.

Mauger said it was too early to tell when the vessel's failure occurred.

The search operation had sonar buoys in the water for more than three days and had not detected any sort of loud explosive noise during the period, Mauger said.

The buoys had picked up some sounds on Tuesday and Wednesday that temporarily offered hope the people on board the Titan were alive and trying to communicate by banging on the hull.

But officials said analysis of the sound was inconclusive and that the noises might not have emanated from the Titan at all.

"There doesn't appear to be any relation between the noises and the location of the debris field on the sea floor," Mauger said on Thursday.

Robotic craft on the ocean floor will continue to gather evidence, Mauger said, but it is not clear whether recovering the bodies will be possible given the nature of the accident and the extreme conditions at those depths.

Five major pieces of the Titan have been found, including most of the pressure hull, officials said.

SAFETY CONCERNS

The search had grown increasingly desperate on Thursday, when the estimated 96-hour air supply was expected to run out if the Titan were still intact.

The Titanic, which sank in 1912 on its maiden voyage after hitting an iceberg, killing more than 1,500 people, lies about 900 miles (1,450 km) east of Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and 400 miles (640 km) south of St. John's, Newfoundland.

The expedition to the wreck, which OceanGate has been operating since 2021, cost $250,000 per person, according to OceanGate's website.

Questions about Titan's safety were raised in 2018 during a symposium of submersible industry experts and in a lawsuit by OceanGate's former head of marine operations, which was settled later that year.

The sweeping search covered more than 10,000 square miles of ocean - about the size of the U.S. state of Massachusetts.

On Thursday, the deployment of two specialized deep-sea unmanned vehicles expanded the search to the ocean's depths, where immense pressure and pitch-black darkness complicated the mission.

The missing submersible and subsequent hunt captured worldwide attention, in part due to the mythology surrounding the Titanic.

The "unsinkable" British passenger liner has inspired both nonfiction and fiction accounts for a century, including the James Cameron blockbuster 1997 movie, which rekindled popular interest in the story.

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the-jackals · 10 months

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#oceangate #oceangate titan #oceangate expeditions

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realjediverse · 10 months

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U.S. Coast Guard is Searching for a Missing Submersible!

The U.S. Coast Guard is searching for a missing submersible that was on a tour expedition to the Titanic wreck site. The submersible, which is owned by OceanGate Expeditions, was carrying five crew members when it lost contact with the research vessel Polar Prince on Sunday morning. The search is currently taking place 900 miles off Cape Cod, and the Coast Guard is using P8 Poseidon aircraft with…

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forcenewz · 10 months

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In this blog, ForceNewz shares titan submersible news this Wednesday us coast guard declares finding ‘presumed human remains‘ among the debris. The five Reach people who lost their lives in the titan submersible are Hamish Harding, Shahzad Dawood, Suleman Dawood, paul-henri Nargeolet, and Stockton rush. Check underwater tourists!

#captain jason neubauer #oceangate expeditions

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thejewishlink · 10 months

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Wreckage of 'Titan' submersible brought to surface

Five people were killed when the tourist submersible imploded while diving toward the Titanic. The wreckage of the Titan submersible was seen on shore Wednesday, ten days after the craft suffered a catastrophic implosion, killing all five people aboard. Multiple large pieces of the submersible were lifted by crane from the recovery ship which carried them back to dry land in Canada. The pieces…

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