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leportraitducadavre · 8 months

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Ino and Sakura

It's often said that Sakura cut off her ties with Ino for more reasons than just Sasuke. For some fans, she even did it because Ino was pushing her down purposefully in order to be always on top.

In that sense, and while this post has been written in another response, the other one will soon become a monster too huge to control, so I'll leave this here for better access and to better expand their relationship for those who are interested.

A warning you should know: Many images are shown while others are linked (pay attention to the underlined-bold words, they'll guide you to the image analyzed).

Despite the claims introduced before, on the panels we were shown their previous relationship during their childhood at no point did Ino seem to downgrade Sakura -either physically or mentally-, on the contrary, she's constantly shown trying to lift her spirits, like when she complements her looks:

Let the world see that pretty face!! Strike a pose!

At no point did Ino downgrade Sakura or put herself above; telling Sakura to show confidence doesn’t automatically put her in a higher position in their friendship.

To explain myself further: providing help when someone needs it isn’t the same as putting oneself in a morally or physically superior position. Their relationship is of equals regardless of Ino supplying emotional support. The fact that Sakura inwardly elevates Ino's relevance in their dynamic isn’t Ino’s responsibility as everything Sakura thinks of Ino is never expressed (translated, Ino isn't aware of her position inside their friendship, as she's never told her relevance). Furthermore, Ino never states that she considers herself attractive or prettier than Sakura herself, every time they speak on the matter Ino tells Sakura to be more confident as she has a "pretty face".

Him! Hah! He just struts around, acting like he’s so cool.

At no moment does Ino seem upset at Sakura for liking the same boy, in fact, she chooses to lie about how she feels for Sasuke in order not to start a conflict. This is, of course, not specified in canon, but since Ino doesn't display her feelings for Sasuke and, quite the contrary, she criticizes him, it's safe to assume she lied about her feelings.

And even if Ino is upset about Sakura liking the same boy as her, something that is neither expressed nor shown, she doesn’t act around it.

Furthermore, Sakura engages in conversations with Ino about Sasuke (Hey, Ino! Sasuke seems to like girls with long hair, so I’m going to grow mine…) and it doesn’t seem as if Ino dismisses the subject out of jealousy.

Everyone says you’re after Sasuke too, Ino…

I'm aware that some fans, specifically S//S and Saku-Ino fans, claim that Sakura assumed Ino liked Sasuke and Ino, in retaliation, started to like him back to make Sakura jealous (?), however, unlike those fans who think Ino's whole character revolves around Sakura (she is, indeed, a supporting character of her, but she outgrew her role to the point where she's barely seen with Sakura after the Chünin Exams) I do believe that Ino truly liked Sasuke and that she was indeed surprised by Sakura having equal feelings for him.

[I will here say that, personally, those who diminish Ino's feelings for Sasuke to use that "lesser" type of love (there's nothing like a "lesser" type of love, there're different ways to love someone. Caring for someone romantically doesn't reflect equally on each individual), as a justification why Sakura "deserved" Sasuke are carrying a sexist view inside their reading of the manga: Cartoon or not, Ino is still a representation of a woman yet, for them, she isn't as valuable as Sakura because she loved Sasuke in a different manner she did.

They're measuring Ino, Karin, and even Sakura's value by the way they display their respective feelings for a man.

In the same manner, Karin, who shows more sexual desire for Sasuke (I will not deny her romantical feelings, but she is clearly more driven by her sexual interest in him), is not less of a woman or less deserving of being with him because of the nature of her feelings.

There's no such thing as a "suffering-meter" that determines which character suffered the most out of love and, therefore, who deserves a happy ending with the object of their affection. That not only links love's nature primarily to suffering but also measures a person's romantic value in terms of how much pain they can endure (either for their significant other or provoked by their significant other).]

Again, Ino doesn’t act around her feelings for Sasuke (in the next flashback Ino -despite knowing Sasuke likes girls with long hair, keeps her own hair short) nor around her friend's attraction.

It was Sakura the one who decided to break their friendship because someone (unspecified) told her Ino liked Sasuke in the same way she did.

This is how we learn about their breakup:

Chapter 53

If it's true... that makes us rivals!

Keep in mind that, until then, we only knew Ino was Sakura’s rival, it's Shikamaru the one that introduces the idea of Sakura and Ino being best friends once, and we have these panels to understand a little bit more about their prior relationship.

This rumor is, in fact, truthful as they do become rivals -so why would Ino allow this break-up if she truly didn't like Sasuke? It makes absolutely no sense, meaning that this theory of Ino faking her attraction to Sasuke is completely false, as she canonically is infatuated with him. Furthermore, when confronted, she chooses not to lie about her romantic interest in him to Sakura. The expression of Ino when hearing Sakura’s words is “uh-oh!”, which means she was keeping her feelings secret from her friend.

In chapter 54, we have a sneak peek at Sakura’s development as a ninja: After Naruto and Sasuke fight Orochimaru (and pass out), and Lee sacrifices his well-being in order to save her from the Oto team, Sakura cuts her hair as to free herself from Kin’s hold. Up to this point, we know this part is significant because of what Sakura thinks before doing it, but by Ino’s reaction, there’s something far deeper going on (Hey, Ino! Sasuke seems to like girls with long hair, so I’m going to grow mine…).

Her attack against Zaku isn't successful and, after barely hurting him, she has no more energy to continue (so she bites him). And here's when we have Ino’s flashback:

Chapter 54 - The flashback continues but all have been addressed previously.

The rivalry was started solely by Sakura. There’s no denying that Ino took up on that rivalry and started to act consequentially, but she wasn’t the one initiating it.

"I noticed your hair is lot longer, Ino" "What is it to you, Sakura?!!"

Let's acknowledge something, in this specific panel, it was Sakura who started their interaction (in a hostile manner, also) because she wanted to tell Ino about her position in Team 7.

She assumed Ino grew her hair long because of Sasuke -it isn't clear when was their fallout, but it must have been years prior to their graduation, so either they didn't see each other as much (or at all) since they went their separate ways, or Ino grew her hair long shortly after the beginning of the show, so there were at least a few years after their breakup when she still has her hair short.

It's safe to assume Ino did, in fact, keep her hair long for Sasuke's sake, yet it's not confirmed she did so to appeal to him, as she keeps growing it after his departure and it's shown how most people of her clan have their hair in a ponytail style, including her father.

So Ino, you'll never beat me now.

Despite some translations stating that Sakura said “I won’t lose to you anymore” (we were shown at no point in the manga how Sakura exactly lost against Ino), the official translation states otherwise -Sakura never exactly “lost” against Ino, nor Ino against Sakura.

Sakura's statement is based on Sasuke being on the same team as her, therefore, for this fact alone, Ino will never "win". Their whole rivalry is based on Sasuke. Now that Sakura is assigned to the same team as him, she has a better chance of winning his romantic reciprocation, therefore, Sakura's prospects are better than her rival's, which makes her the sole winner.

Yet, regardless of their mutual hostility, Ino still jumps to save her former friend, which means that she still has a deep connection with Sakura. Her face when remembering their childhood was a deeply troubled one, perhaps even mournful. In addition, by this point, Sasuke is unconscious: He isn’t able to see Ino’s heroic act, something Ino is aware of yet acts as if that is the sole reason why she jumped in.

After the fight, we have these panels:

To put some context: Naruto asks Sakura who “these guys are” when seeing Shikamaru, Chöji, Lee, and Ino; and after Sakura “thanks them”, Ino thinks that she’s selling herself short. Ino is shown constantly either telling Sakura or thinking of her as someone pretty and capable yet still self-conscious, even tho Sakura would have likely died had Ino and Team 10 not intervened, as Sasuke awoke after their tactic failed. Ino and Team 10 were saved by Team Gai and Sasuke, not Sakura.

During their fight in the preliminary rounds (CH 71), Sakura is particularly cruel:

First of all, she claims control and power of decision-making over a boy who has rejected her advances twice and who's not even present at the moment (he could, and honestly would, easily deny them both of the romantical reciprocation they sought). She starts their fight by trying to downgrade both Ino’s self-esteem (physically) and status in their “rivalry” (which she claims is now non-existent, as Sakura is the "winner" by being in the same team as Sasuke) -Ino’s words are a response to Sakura’s attitude.

[Kakashi saying that Sakura isn’t mean doesn’t make it automatically true -first, Kakashi doesn’t know Sakura that well as to claim she wouldn’t bully a person just because (she often displayed such an attitude towards Naruto during their first interactions, particularly when she told Sasuke that Naruto was annoying because he was parentless, Kakashi saw and knew none of that). Second, what he knows about Ino and Sakura’s relationship is what he read on a piece of paper -he knows nothing about how they actually interacted, nothing about their “power imbalance”, and, furthermore, he does nothing about Sakura’s insecurities -he hoped that Sakura would come around when the Chünin Exams came, but the whole reason she did so was because of Sasuke’s support.]

Sakura internally acknowledges Ino’s relevance in her life (1 and 2) yet none of that is actually told to Ino -who’s left in the dark. The last impression she possesses of Sakura is about her not being good enough to maintain a friendship outside their respective crushes on the same boy. Sakura, even without them being friends, still seeks Ino’s acknowledgment -the only one who is then made to do something for their relationship is Ino.

Personal opinion: Sakura hasn’t surpassed Ino. Much less at this point in the manga.

It’s Sakura the one who makes their rivalry just about Sasuke (here), while Ino states that she will not allow her to “show her up” (thus, for her, it seems to be more than just their shared crush on a boy, even during Asuma's last speech he tells her not to allow Sakura to win in "ninjutsu and love"), Sakura solely focuses on being on the same team as Sasuke as a signal of superiority; something she did absolutely nothing to gain as it was mere luck:

The teams are to be balanced and that’s why they put the dead last (Naruto) with the Rookie of the Year (Sasuke), there’s no canonical mention of Sakura’s part in the matter. The belief that she was put there because she was the “brightest” is a fanon belief (x). Furthermore, according to the Report Cards in the First Fanbook, Ino was behind Sasuke; making her the second-best overall and the best kunoichi amongst them (x).

Furthermore, Kakashi specifically visits Naruto's house alongside the Hokage who introduces him to the team he'll be leading, and at no moment do they even mention Sakura.

Meanwhile Ino, canonically speaking, would never be put on the same team as Sasuke, as she's the Yamanaka heir -her destiny was always to be with Chöji and Shikamaru.

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I’m not your little tag-along anymore Ino

Sakura says this in order to gain an emotional reaction -Ino is shocked by the words because she's never shown to consider Sakura to be what her former friend claims she used to be. Sakura is then painting the memories of their relationship in a negative light, downgrading it. What for Ino was a real friendship, to Sakura was a relationship of power.

[This is not a negative thing per se, Sakura needed a support system that Ino provided as she was too shy to socialize with anyone. What she's saying now is that she doesn't need Ino in order to interact with others. For Sakura is a positive thing, as she probably hated being "Ino's tag along", however, that doesn't change the negative impact that it has on Ino who never saw Sakura as a burden.]

Sakura's views of their dynamic diminish its relevance in her life and put Ino in the wrong (almost making her the abusive side of the relationship). Ino never reached for Sakura in order to make her her “tag-along”, Sakura was the one who put herself in that position.

I'm not blatantly denying Sakura's views on their former friendship, but from what we can see in canon, those views are either a lie she tells Ino to emotionally drag her during their match (stated before by Kakashi, she wants Ino to take her seriously), or a twisted version of the events transpired.

Much like with Sasuke, the fact that Sakura puts the weight of her well-being on another person’s shoulders means that she’s not responsible for the outcome or what her actions might entail: That’s why she makes Ino responsible for their fallout -hadn’t Ino liked the same boy, she wouldn’t have ended their relationship.

Sakura calling Ino a witch.

At the end of their fight, is Ino who -again, reaches out to Sakura and waits for her to wake, and, again: She gives her support.

We have a new interaction between them in CH 93 -where we see both of them visiting Sasuke in the hospital and bringing him a flower, there, we get to see them talking outside a ninja setting and inside Ino's flower shop.

1) It's established Sakura doesn't visit the flower shop until then.

2) They still bicker over Sasuke, the basis of their relationship hasn't changed after the Chünin Exams, but they seem to get along better.

3) Sakura learned the flowers' meaning in order to compete with Ino.

They even sit together in CH 99 to see the one-on-one fights of the last round of the exams, and while both Ino and Sakura are equally concerned about Sasuke, it's Ino the one who tells Sakura to cheer Naruto on during his match. How is Ino this "bad person who diminished Sakura" when she shows nothing but concern for her crush (Sasuke), her former friend (Sakura), and her rival's teammate (Naruto)? Furthermore, in CH 105, Ino realizes Sakura's change in mood when she admits (internally) to being somewhat jealous of Naruto.

After Shikamaru's match, once Sasuke appears, Ino compliments Sakura's team, praising both Sasuke and Naruto; Sakura's reaction isn't shown as the main focus is Lee -who hears Ino speaking-, but it amazes me how many people try to paint Ino's character as "shallow" and a "bully" when she has done nothing but encourage and praise those around her even when they're not close enough to hear her.

Then, after Sasuke's Retrieval Arc, Ino even goes as far as to look for Sakura once Shimamaru's team returns (x), and she even prioritizes Chöji before Sasuke (who they don't know actually left, x). How is Ino such a shallow, careless monster (who doesn't truly care for Sakura) if she goes out of her way to find her and inform her of their friends' return? Wouldn't have she taken the opportunity to visit Sasuke by herself? Wouldn't she have chosen to visit her crush first rather than Chöji if she was that obsessed with him and against Sakura?

In a way, and this is not to diminish some of the writing problems the author has, Ino is a nice representation of how Kishimoto is actually capable of writing a girl with a simple crush on a boy, who still prioritizes friends and comrades above the man she likes. Sakura's behavior, therefore, can't be attributed to Kishimoto not "knowing how to write women", but to him giving Sakura specific characteristics that just happen to be disliked by the fandom. In retaliation, her stans decide to blame such personality traits on his "incapability" to write female characters before giving them the actual relevance they have over Sakura's character.

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captainshadowgirllostfan · 10 months

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I'm putting this out to vent because I need it laid out, especially since it's pretty obvious from the Naruto opinions blog which side they're on. That blog has had so much Sasuke fandom hate that legit has no basis to it. It feels like legit lies, and it attacks our fanbase, particularly, which I find nefarious. To talk about a fanbase and claim it to he racist without any sort of receipts is a humongous accusation and I have half a mind to want to report if not for the fact that I know Tumblr won't do anything about it...perhaps I will. Idk. But this accusation is not an opinion. It's an accusation and if you clearly have met someone like this, someone who has racist takes then perhaps you should report them instead of putting it on a blog that claims to be an opinions blog and generalize an entire fandom or a portion of them to be like this. We are not racist. I know many POC and black fans of Sasuke, and nobody I know has ever thought, claimed this sort of accusation and opinion on Killer Bee. Hell, this opinion of Bee being an aggressive black man has got no basis in the manga/anime! He is the most chill black man there is! If anyone said this, they would literally laugh!

EDIT: After writing this, I decided to report that post. It's literally a libel post against the Sasuke fandom. There is literally no basis to it and OP wants to pretend it's an opinion about general experience. If you got a bad experience be more specific and what's more report them or call them out. It's really that simple! Everybody's experience is not the same but to make a general statement that bottles almost half the fandom as "racist" just because of one or two bad experience is literally... defaming the fandom! I'm sorry it is!

As a POC, and when you say something like that, do you have any idea how unsafe, hurt, and angry can make some people participating in the fandom? You don't put something like that and call it an opinion because it's not. It's an accusation verging on defamation against a group of people just because you had what one or two bad experiences with people.

I've had some bad experiences with people in other fandoms. You're not gonna hear me claim that a fandom is this or half the fandom is this just because of that one or two experience! I'd be attacking an entire fandom that way with an accusation that had nothing to do with them

This post is NOT the only post that has been accusing and posting lies about the Sasuke fandom. It literally mocks the Sasuke fandom for rightfully being angry. You can check the blog right now. It's the most recent post on its blog.

Right after the moderator of said blog posts that it won't be putting any more replies because it's gotten "heated"

Because God forbid someone is angry at you for posting libel and calling it an "opinion".

I mean, omg, you got pushback for literally stating that there's a group in a certain fandom that is racist and think "oh this is just gossip?"Oh, I'm just saying my opinion or talking about an experience and saying yeah the entire fandom is that way."

And the negative Sasuke posts keep coming because I looked back at it again, and there's clearly an anon there with an agenda against the Sasuke fandom. And nowhere there is a defense against this. The other side apparently has no say on this blog. And by other side, I mean the Sasuke fandom. OP closed replies because it got heated.

and tbh there's rarely a positive post about any of the Naruto characters, certainly not Sasuke, in a blog that is called the " Naruto General Opinions" blog. What is so general about this blog? It seems to side heavily on one opinion over the other. Right after posting a negative Sasuke fandom post that accuses the fandom of racism, anti-blackness, and micro-aggressions of black people with the baseless claim that Sasuke stans say that Killer Bee is an aggressive black man which I have seen that absolutely no where and even the claim of Killer Bee has no support in the manga so why would anyone say that? But right after posting that, they won't be putting any sort of heated replies because, again, people got anger, why? This person posts about Sasuke "bad decisions" as if characters aren't allowed that, and we all gotta stand perfect characters who do pretty much nothing.

Basically, we should all stand Hinata since you don't get a more inoffensive character than that, right?

Also what is anon talking about? You think we're angry at people criticizing Sasuke's decisions. People have been criticizing Sasuke's decision since day on. Hell the post creates another falsehood about why Sasuke stans are angry.

Y'all called us racist and anti-black. As a POC, Idk whether to laugh or be angry at such baseless claims and I'd again rant about why but I've probably repeated myself a number of times on why I feel like that post is nothing more than libel especially since OP wants to pretend that it's an opinion of an experience that a number of times could've been much more clearer but isn't, and defame an entire fanbase as that way.

OP wants to pretend they care about safe-spaces but they do not. Their lack of clarification and the majority of their anon posts of "general Naruto opinions" being basically negative, not just to the Sasuke community but to many character fanbases such as Sakura, Hinata, Naruto etc tells you everything. And it's the fanbases that are generally attacked and mocked. Never anything about the characters.

OP has a post pinning Sakura and Hinata against each other...

Is it any wonder people think the Naruto fandom is so toxic?

In writing this vent, I relooked at the blog and found yeah I agree with some of the takes the blog has but as a Sasuke fan who feels very attacked, especially when a majority of posts about Sasuke are negative in a blog that claims to be about general opinions of Naruto, I can't help but sympathize with Sakura and Hinata fandoms and any other fandom that has been criticized. How ostracized they must feel when there's a blog claiming to be about general opinions of Naruto, but it's about them...

Like opinions are not...general. A majority of us don't share the same opinions. We're all different and we absorb and express content in different way. While annoyance and irritation of how some people absorb and express content is valid, it's quite something else to post these opinions in a blog that claims to represent the general Naruto fanbase.

And even if the majority do feel the same way...is it fair for the minority to be excluded? Is it fair to have one blog be the space of "opinions," especially when the majority are nothing more than toxic angry anti takes

And again, some of these anti takes, I do agree on...but I'm going to be honest, I will never reblog from them because no way do I think my opinion is just a general opinion especially when it excludes a group of people in the fandom who may not agree. I will reblog from blogs that have similar opinions to mine and backs them up with evidence.

If you have these sorts of opinions, post it on your own blog. A general opinion blog is honestly not necessary...it's clear everyone has different opinions about different things... I mean...it's Tumblr. Unless sourced and backed up by proof, it's just an opinion.

But opinions can be hurtful and verge on to seemingly defamatory when opinions feel like falsehoods, especially when it's not backed by proof. I've looked, and many others have looked to see where this claim of Killer Bee being an aggressive black man comes from, and...it's nowhere!? And OP will not ask or show proof because apparently it's an "opinion about an experience.". If you're gonna put baseless accuations of opinions there, I'm gonna tell you what that's called. It's called libel. Spoken, it would be slander. And all of it is just defamation against an entire fanbase who likes a character you don't like.

And as the moderator of that blog, which frankly I find them questionable and toxic in many ways, they have a responsibility to ask for clarification because spreading lies about a certain fandom base is not right. It's not. Clearly, the blog is very biased, but it verges on harassment and abuse and a hate campaign against an entire fanbase of a character they don't like.

Like I don't think I'm over-inflating, this becomes I personally feel like my character has been attacked by this. I don't write metas or analysis. I've been thinking about it... but it almost feels like both OP and Anon want to silence an entire fanbase because they just don't agree, and they do so with this slander!

This isn't just about the Sasuke fanbase. This is also about every fanbase in the Naruto community. Racism is serious so if an accusation is made, we have a responsibility to answer it and separate ourselves from that or at least if we've engaged in such behavior, to better ourselves for other members in the larger Naruto fandom.

This is just a rant I needed to get out, but I'm deciding to take action. I've had some friends that have been hurt and have seen some defamatory statements online about the Sasuke fanbase and I will no longer stand idolly by. It's one thing to insult and criticize my character, you are entitled to your opinion, but when someone is attacking my character for liking a character they don't like, expect some pushback.

I came into the Naruto fandom because I like Naruto, the manga, and anime. I didn't come in to be harassed for liking a character you don't like. Feel free to rant about it on your own blog, but the moment you spread lies, especially on a blog that claims to be a blog about "general naruto opinions"is the moment I can't stay silent about this.

Okay, I'm gonna end my rant here. I've wasted enough time thinking and writing this, but I mean it when I said, I've had enough when lies start coming into the picture.

EDIT 2: I've decided to take out screenshots because I'm unsure if I should put screenshots. It could be wrong or taken wrong.

#god I want to go on but seriously his post pissed me off a lot #just the exact nerve to put such a stupid claim and to say it was a group in the Sasuke fandom #i don't agree with everyone in the Sasuke fandom but I have not seen the behavior OP claims #anti Sasuke haters #how much time do you gotta waste spreading lies and spouting hate on a fanbase of a character you don't like #why exactly do you waste time talking about a character you don't like?#i mean seriously? do you just want to hate #is your life so bad that Sasuke is your punching and now his fandom is too #also now I'm relooking at the anti Sakura posts too #the amount of that is pheneomenal and in a blog that claims itself to be a general Naruto opinions blog #there are a lot of Sakura fans #your opinion is not general #even if a majority believed it the minority shouldn't be excluded #post your own opinion in your own blog #but if you lie expect pushback #give us the reciepts #anti haters #write in your own fucking blog #libel #defamation #slander #i can't stand lies #i'm sorry I'm bad at tagging this #this is just an extension of my rant #naruto fandom

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watermelonsloth · 8 months

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The Uchiha Family Should’ve Leaned Into Its Nontraditional Dynamic

Something that’s bothered me about the Gaiden is how it doesn’t fully commit to its theme.

The Gaiden’s theme is that blood doesn’t make a family, but bonds of love do. I think that’s a great message and, if it was executed well, it could’ve touched a lot of people. But it wasn’t executed well. Instead, Sarada knows so little about the Uchiha clan and what it stood for that blood is the only thing that connects her to it and Sakura was her biological mother all along so the entire one-shot and theme doesn’t matter anyways. If I was in charge of writing the Gaiden, I would pick the low hanging solution right in front of my face. Sakura is infertile and Karin was a surrogate mother. This change alone would make a lot make more sense:

1. Her getting angry at Sarada for questioning her nontraditional relationship with Sasuke: Sakura has always been insecure, especially about her ability to fulfill traditionally feminine roles(inner Sakura being the best example of this), so her being embarrassed or ashamed of being infertile would be an in-character way to explain her reaction to Sarada questioning her relationship with Sasuke. It might’ve hit a nerve related to how well she’s performing her “wifely duties.” It wouldn’t have excused her overreaction, but it would’ve at least made some sense.

2. Sarada’s Karin-like design features: I know there are analyses of how Sarada looks like Sakura, but most aren’t very convincing and they miss the point. The Gaiden makes it clear that Sarada is supposed to physically look like Sasuke but act more like Sakura. Also physical similarities don’t negate how, on the surface level, Sarada invokes more Karin than Sakura. Sarada’s glasses(because, let’s be honest, that’s the thing that’s actually reminding us of Karin) would make more sense if she was biologically related someone with glasses.

3. The DNA test has a purpose: The DNA test she takes actually revealing a biological connection to Karin would make the scene and the following conversation with Naruto have a lot more weight and meaning. Sarada doesn’t have any relationship with Karin outside of blood, but she loves Sakura as her mother, so her still choosing Sakura would better align with the message.

4. Sarada was born in one of Orochimaru’s hideouts: This has less to do with continuity errors and more to do with further explaining the secrecy around Sarada’s birth. Isn’t it weird how Naruto, Suigetsu, and presumably everyone uninvolved in the delivery seem in the dark about the specifics? I get that couples and parents aren’t obliged to share the details of their children’s births, but I do find it strange how they dance around questions so much it comes across as avoidant(so much so that Naruto, of all people, wasn’t sure if Sasuke cheated on Sakura). This secrecy makes no in-world sense if Sakura is the mom, but it would under these circumstances. Maybe Sakura was insecure about not being biologically related to her child. Maybe there are laws in Konoha that place responsibility on Karin as the biological mother or restrict Sakura’s ability to raise her daughter. Maybe Sasuke wanted to avoid potential complications in him having a biological child with someone who isn’t loyal to/living in Konoha. Maybe Karin didn’t want people(like Suigetsu) speculating about her relationship with Sasuke when she’s moved on and only wanted to help two friends out. Maybe Sakura and Sasuke didn’t want people questioning the legitimacy of their marriage any more than they already were. Point is, more complicated circumstances would make the avoidance make a lot more sense.

5. Karin was left with Sarada’s umbilical cord: I’m not gonna pretend that I know Japanese culture enough to know what beliefs and traditions may or may not exist around umbilical cords, but I am gonna say that as a western observer, I find it weird that Karin was left with the umbilical cord. But Karin being left with the cord as a thank you for carrying Sarada would at least make some modicum of sense.

This change wouldn’t fix the Gaiden, but I think it would help. It’s also just a win-win-win. You get to keep a theme about familial relationships not being defined by blood, you get to keep the canon ships in tact, and you get to represent a less traditional/ represented family dynamic.

In regards to Sasuke’s role in this theme, it could have him learning that if he wants the Uchiha clan to heal from the massacre he needs to be present and pass down the beliefs of his clan to his daughter. I propose instead of a family dinner followed by Sasuke leaving the village again, we get to see Sasuke teaching Sarada the fireball jutsu(since we never see her perform it in the Gaiden, the fireball jutsu is one the Uchiha clan is known for, and Fugaku teaching it to him was a very important moment of acknowledgement for him).

The only issue I’ve found, after a quick bit of googling, is that surrogacy seems to be taboo in Japan, so the execution of this in a popular Shounen Jump title like Naruto might be easier said than done.

#sarada uchiha #sasuke uchiha #sakura haruno #Sakura Uchiha #sasusaku #Uchiha Family #The Uchiha Family deserved thematic consistency #Anti gaiden #Naruto #Naruto Shippuden #boruto naruto next generations #boruto next generation #Am I gonna get hate for tagging this SasuSaku?#Because it’s not supposed to be anti but it’s not exactly pro SasuSaku content #karin uzumaki #my stooff

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I was on YouTube watching top females in anime. Sakura held the spot for quite a while and there was discussion in the comments about what it was like at the time.

Let me start by saying that I was introduced to naruto via binging the first seasons to understand ultimate ninja...a number. My friends all loved it and I was tired of being confused. I hated it. I was the age of the characters and found naruto grating, hated Sasuke, and wanted Sakura to get over her stupid crush. I thought she was going to get over him and be great...I gave up and dropped it.

A few years later, shippuden happened, and my best friend insisted I try it. I liked it until Sasuke came back into it. Stuck with for a little while, before dropping it again.

I had an ex insist the manga was so much better. Read it, hated it still. This is an ongoing theme. Point being, I'm aware of the series more than I'd like to be. I could literally write pages upon pages of why I hate this show. Sakura though? I liked her. I thought she had so much potential. That fight with sasori is amazing. I also found gaara to be the shows best character, so sand arc was a great way to make me try it. I still dislike Sakura now though, because of how she was written.

Sakura only fought when Naruto and Sasuke weren't there. She was never put on the sane ground as the boys. She had potential. I even read fanfics where she met said potential. That's how bad I wanted her to be good.

She never got over a crush on a guy who treated her horribly. Love in Naruto was very bad but especially in Sakuras case. I hated on Sasuke so much because I was a girl power tween. It took me a long time to admit that I did not like Sakura, because on her own she was great.

That's the problem though. All the females in Naruto were extremely lackluster, not because of their potential, or abilities, or drive. It was because the author set them to the side to focus on the boys. The author didn't have a female interacting with a male unless romance was involved, or they were raising up the guys. The reason why Sakura is so hated, is because we've seen what she can do, but doesn't.

Sakura Haruno is one of the most disappointing female characters because she had growth, and regressed over and over.

BTW shippuden Naruto I liked. Sasuke deserves all the hate. Boo hoo you had a bad past, so did most of the cast, get over yourself.

#sakura haruno #naruto #anti sasuke uchiha #why i dislike sakura #not exactly anti #No i will not give it another try #ever again #yes i was narusaku trash #mainly because i hated Sasuke

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thebrightsilverlining · 3 months

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How Secret Are the Phantom Thieves' Secret Identities?

Joker

Police: Know exactly who he is due to his arrests and even send people to spy on him from time to time.

Public: Have enough information to find out but not explicitly stated.

When the police revealed that they had caught the leader of the Phantom Thieves on November 20th (and later revealed his death), they did not mention his name. Instead, Joker is described as a teenager on probation for assault who was sent to Tokyo for the year.

Though his school was not directly mentioned, the fact that the first incident occurred at Shujin Academy makes it relatively clear that that is the school he went to. Later, after his second arrest as leader of the Thieves, Shujin admits that he was a student of their school when pushing for his release.

Though they never mention his name, anyone who wanted to could easily do some digging on Shujin Academy, find out there was a transfer student in the second year who had a criminal record, and put the pieces together. So, though his identity was technically never leaked to the public, it appears as if it is more of an open secret.

Interestingly enough, Akane from Strikers does not know Joker’s identity. Despite being a superfan (to the point of running a Phantom Thief news livestream) she can only wonder who he might be. This implies one of three things. Either

A: Despite his identity being easy to find if one did some digging, no one has bothered to actually do the digging and thus he remains anonymous.

B: Hacker extraordinaire Futaba Sakura hid or obfuscated any evidence that could reveal the identity of the leader of the Phantom Thieves based on the information the police gave.

C: Due to the fact that it was the police who leaked most of that info, it is considered poor form to use that information to figure out the leader’s identity.

Option C relies on social etiquette. After all, the Phantom Thieves are very anti-police, and their fans are likely too. The leader of the Phantom Thieves had no say over that information about himself being leaked to the public by the people who literally tried to kill him, so using that information could be considered wrong by his fans. Thus, even though most have a general idea that the leader of the Phantom Thieves is the transfer student from Shujin Academy, actually looking into who that is could be considered rude by Phans and PhantomFreaks.

The Phantom Thieves

Police: Have a hunch but ultimately no proof.

Public: No clue, but maybe some theories based on knowledge of the leader’s identity.

Because Joker never reveals who the rest of the Phantom Thieves are both of the times he is arrested as a Thief, the police do not have definitive proof regarding the other members identities. They likely have hunches, as based on the list Sae reads off during the November 20th interrogation, but any and all evidence is circumstantial at best and largely tied to the simple fact that they know the leader. And every single thief has plausible deniability. That being, they can say that they may have been friends with the leader, but they had no knowledge of his identity and were not part of the operation.

Without more evidence or a confession, there is really know way to prove otherwise, so all of the thieves’ identities remain safe. This is doubled due to the fact that, because there is little to no evidence implicating them and Joker adamantly denied their involvement, there is the very real possibility (at least to the police) that they may not actually be part of the Thieves.

Joker had a lot of associates during his time in Tokyo, and figuring out which are Thieves and which are not runs the risk of the police arresting the wrong person based on little evidence, and landing themselves in hot water afterward. Especially with how popular the Thieves are. So there is really nothing they can do about the rest of the Thieves.

As for the public, because the police have so little to go about regarding the rest of the Thieves identities, the public knows even less. There’s likely speculation, based on the info regarding Joker’s identity that was leaked, but nothing even remotely close to concrete. At the very least, they have some silhouettes and the knowledge that one must be a hacker in order to have stopped Medjed and broadcasted Shido’s calling card.

Akechi

Police & Public: Know he infiltrated the Phantom Thieves in order to orchestrate their arrest before mysteriously disappearing.

Akechi is in an interesting position. After Joker was captured, he went on television and explained to the public how he infiltrated the Thieves in order to get them arrested. Him being a double agent Phantom Thief is public knowledge, no leaking or digging required.

The tricky part is figuring out what people know about everything else. Shido being his father, him being the perpetrator of mental shutdowns and psychotic breakdowns, and all that. Sae is aware of his role regarding the deaths, but it is left unclear if it is just her or if that knowledge was shared with the justice system as a whole. Considering he went missing, bringing up his role in it all might have been considered unnecessary. There is an argument to be made for them knowing and them not knowing.

Similarly with the public, it is unclear whether or not his involvement would be brought up. In any court hearings regarding Shido’s case, they could have easily referred to Akechi as simply “Shido’s metaverse assassin.” Naming him directly is possible, but not necessary, so it is unclear what the public knows.

Confidants

Police: Runs the gambit of No Evidence of Connection to Plausible Deniability is King.

Public: Varies based on public presence.

The confidants find themselves in a variety of interesting situations, based on how much they revealed when trying to get Joker out of jail at the end of the game. Regardless, all of them have plausible deniability. Which is to say that, even if they revealed that they knew the leader of the Phantom Thieves when making their case for his release, they can all say that they did not know until after his arrests, and there is no way for the police to prove otherwise. As such, none of them are actually in danger of any legal retaliation.

Overall, things are on a more case-by-case basis for the confidants, so I’ll go through them one-by-one.

Sojiro

Guardian of the leader of the Phantom Thieves. Police know, but claims plausible deniability (didn’t know Joker was a Thief).

Public could find him out by looking into Joker’s identity.

Chihaya

Claims the Phantom Thieves changed the ADP Chairman’s heart and freed them all from the cult.

Does not need to claim a personal connection to Joker to convince her people to protest his arrest.

As such, police and public likely have no knowledge of her connection.

Iwai

Uses his connections to make certain that Joker is not harmed while in prison.

Under the table - police and public have no knowledge of connection.

Note - Police could technically attempt to trace Joker’s purchases to connect him to Iwai, but Iwai still has plausible deniability (didn’t know what he was buying them for; didn’t care).

That is, assuming Joker didn’t make all his purchases in cash. And that the police were able to get ahold of one of the Thieves’ weapons.

Takemi

Reveals that Joker was the main participant in the test trials for her new drug in order to bolster his positive public image.

Plausible deniability. Had no idea he was a Thief when they were doing the trials.

Kawakami

Acts as part of Shujin in general when pushing for Joker’s release. Public already had a hunch that Shujin was the leader’s school, and this just confirms it.

All teachers have plausible deniability.

By looking into Joker’s identity, public could find out that Kawakami was Joker’s homeroom teacher, but not much else.

Ohya

Finds the lady from the first case and convinces her to admit to the police what truly happened. Also writes a special article about the leader of the Phantom Thieves.

Has no need to reveal a personal connection. She’s simply a reporter doing her job. Police and public have no clue.

Shinya

Rallies the gaming community to protest Joker’s arrest online.

Does not reveal a personal connection. Simply says that Joker is the number 1 ranked player on Gun About (makes sense considering their minor takeover of the website for the start of Shinya’s route) and that he wants to play against him. Police and public have no clue.

Hifumi

Admits publicly on television her personal connection to Joker when pushing for his release.

Plausible deniability. Had no idea that he was a Thief prior to his arrest.

Mishima

Admits publicly his personal connection to Joker when collecting signatures pushing for his release.

Plausible deniability. Had no idea that he was a Thief prior to his arrest.

Yoshida

Protests Joker’s arrest and pushes for his release. Rallies his base and fellow politicians.

Has no need to reveal a personal connection. Simply a politician taking a stance on an important public issue. Police and public have no clue.

Sae

The prosecutor for the Phantom Thief case and Shido’s case.

Public and police know that she is aware of his true identity, as she actively met him.

Public not aware of any personal connection between her and Joker, just the professional connection.

So what’s the most the public could know about the Phantom Thieves?

The average person could know:

Joker’s true identity.

His parents’ names.

His hometown.

The jobs he worked.

His record.

etc.

His guardian in Tokyo was Sojiro Sakura, owner of Cafe Leblanc.

Sojiro has an adopted daughter named Futaba.

He went to Shujin Academy and had Kawakami, Ushimaru, Hiruta, Inui, Chouno, and Usami as teachers.

While at Shujin, he became friends with Yuuki Mishima.

He participated in drug trials run by Tae Takemi.

At some point, he became friends with Hifumi Togo.

One of his friends and possibly fellow Thief is a hacker.

There are seven Phantom Thieves (excluding Akechi), plus the cat mascot.

He played Gun About and was top of the leaderboard.

To get the Thieves arrested, Goro Akechi briefly pretended to be his friend and joined the Thieves.

When arrested, he was interrogated by Sae Nijima. Later on, he interacted with her when testifying against Shido.

Someone who did some digging could also know:

While at Shujin, he also became friends with…

Ryuji Sakamoto

Ann Takamaki

Makoto Nijima

Haru Okumura

Besides Hifumi Togo, he was also friends with Yusuke Kitagawa from Kosei.

Yuuki Mishima runs the Phansite.

He got extra tutoring from Kawakami after school (not what actually happened but what Kawakami’s confidant route was passed off as to Chuono).

Some theories might be:

The “cat mascot” is the Alibaba cat icon.

Both are cats connected to the thieves, and they only see the silhouette of Mona, so it is likely assumed that Mona has the blue crescent eyes, slasher grin, and bomb tail of the Alibaba cat icon.

Tae Takemi is the Thieve’s doctor.

The protag participated in her drug trials. Even if just after the interrogation, he likely needed medical attention. So, though she claims plausible deniability, people likely assume she knew who he was.

Makoto is NOT a Thief and DID NOT KNOW about Joker’s identity until after his arrest.

Her sister was literally the one leading the prosecution. Sae is shown to be a competent prosecutor. Wouldn’t she have realized her sister was one of the people she was trying to catch? Plus, what about conflict of interest?

Likely theories that Joker becoming friends with Makoto helped win Sae over to his side.

Shujin students likely state online that Makoto was spying on him for the principal because of his record, but then seemingly became his friend overtime.

Joker proved he was a good and just person despite his record, so they became friends, but she never suspected his secret identity.

(Maybe even dating?! There’s definitely arguments online on if Joker is in a relationship and some are ride or die for Makoto. Everyone knows the most common love interest is the one outside of the loop that you can’t reveal your secret identity to for fear of them getting hurt!)

Hifumi Togo is a Phantom Thief.

Now, I know what you’re thinking. Why would she reveal her connection to him if she was a Thief? Isn’t that stupid?

But that’s just what she WANTS you to think! STRATEGY!!

Because people think she would never do it, she did it! Perfect. Alibi.

Likely argued to be Futaba’s silhouette.

(Probably a very contentious theory. Lots of arguing on the forums.)

Yusuke is a Phantom Thief.

Most of the Phantom Thief cases (that are not minor Phansite requests) seem to have a personal focus.

Joker is a student at Shujin and both Kamoshida and Kaneshiro had some connection to the school. Shido attempted to kill Joker, and was also the reason he was on probation in the first place. Medjed actively targeted the Thieves and Okumura was at the top of the Phansite’s poll.

Which leaves Madarame as the odd one out. So, clearly, there must be some personal connection. And with Joker having been seen hanging out with Yusuke, that must mean he’s a Phantom Thief!

Argued to be Makoto’s silhouette.

Yuuki Mishima is the Phantom Thieves’ hacker.

He runs the Phansite, after all. He’s already involved in their tech stuff.

Now, whether he IS a Phantom Thief or just works for them is likely a big debate.

Some think he’s their “guy in the chair” who doesn’t directly participate but relays missions, hacks websites, and acts as mission control.

Others think he’s the cat, controlling it as a remote control robot.

Ryuji and Ann are Phantom Thieves.

Plausible deniability or not, their silhouettes are just too distinct. Especially Ann.

Plus they were so close at the start of the year. Clearly, it’s suspicious.

Mika is a Phantom Thief.

Hear me out. Fox’s mask and high collar makes it so that you can’t actually see his hair length. She could totally be hiding her long hair in her jacket!

Plus, everyone knows that Mika and Ann are fashion rivals! And what's a vigilante crack team without some rivalries in the group? Joker was even seen with the two of them a few times!

This came to be purely because of the cross of fashionistas and Phans. Mika milks the theory for all the publicity it is worth.

Haru is a Phantom Thief.

There was BIG debate over Haru and her status. After all, are you really gonna say this sweet, lovely girl killed her father?

But, then again, the Phantom Thieves were proven innocent in the murder of Okumura. So the question changes. Not: Did she want to kill him? Instead: Did she want to change his heart?

BUT THEN AGAIN her father was a member of the Conspiracy, wasn’t he? Who’s to say she didn’t know about that already? Hell, who’s to say she wasn’t INVOLVED?

The fight tends to break into three separate groups. Group one says she got involved to change her father’s heart. Group two says she got involved after her father’s death, to find out what actually happened and catch the person who actually killed her father. And group three says she was part of the Conspiracy herself and joined to take the Thieves down, only to get attached and do a heel-face-turn redemption.

Group three also tends to make her friends with Akechi, as he also infiltrated to take the Thieves down. His awareness of the Conspiracy is unclear, but regardless those in group three tend to have Haru and Akechi turn on the police and Conspiracy to try and save the Thieves, only for Akechi to die or disappear so that Haru can escape.

Akechi cared about the Thieves/Had SOMETHING going on with Joker.

I mean, you don’t reference romance tropes during an interview regarding his time with the Thieves for nothing. The double agent can’t just be a double agent.

See the above dying for Haru theory. But also there are a lot of people that think Akechi and Joker were dating.

Suffice it to say, they don’t get along very well with the people who ship Joker/Makoto.

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olderthannetfic · 1 year

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If Card Captor Sakura would be a thing RIGHT NOW, antis would straight up DIE

It's exactly the kind of canon they'd love and hallucinate was for people like them.

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madara-fate · 9 months

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Sasuke fans on Twitter are wild. They really hate Sakura & ship him with Karin or whatever other girl in the show but when Sakura multishippers that are not even SS fans ship Sakura with another men they get so pissed about it. They keep talking about how Sakura fans see Sasuke as an object but they do the same shit with Sakura because Naruto liked her. Like, they keep saying that Sakura don't deserve Sasuke and Sarada when canon Sakura is such an amazing and loyal mom and wife. Sakura should have ended up single at this point because they keep erasing Sakura from Sasuke and Sarada life. They are not even grateful for her sacrifice as a mother. They act exactly like the sasunarus and narusaku fans that they just hate as much too. They don't want Sakura with Sasuke but they also think that she don't belong with anyone else. They hate this girl so much to the point they think that Sasuke should beat her or abuse her. They want her to be miserable. Also the hate they have for Retsuden is another whole issue. Thank god that canon Sasuke will never be like those called Sasuke fans wanting him to be. Sasuke would never harm his wife or cheat on her. Thats the only think that keeps me sane from being in this fandom.

I really don't see why an anti SS Sasuke fan would care about who Sakura is shipped with. Although now that I'm thinking about it, if they're also anti Sakura, then they probably would indeed just bash whatever ship Sakura is involved in because she'll never be good enough for the other character in those people's eyes.

#Sasuke Uchiha #Sakura Haruno #sasusaku

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lunaneko14 · 10 months

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I gotta say, for the official illustration of the Narutop99 results that was drawn by Kishi, he knew exactly what he was doing, for three reasons.

(1) In Kishi's illustration, Hinata is using her signature move, the Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists — the high-level secret Gentle Fist technique that she created and is unique-to-only-her — and wielding a katana both in her left hand. Now, remember that in Chapter 42 Page 2, when she offers her completed answers for the Chunin Exams written test to Naruto, Hinata is revealed to be right-handed.

Yet, Kishi is clearly showing us that Hinata is strong enough to use her signature Twin Lion Fists and wield a katana both in her left hand, a.k.a. her non-dominant hand, at the same time.

(2) In Kishi's illustration, in stark contrast to Hinata, Sakura has already activated the Byakugou Seal, yet she has to use both of her hands to wield an ax. You would think that someone who learned the technique from Tsunade (the world's strongest woman physically and the creator of said technique, as revealed in Chapter 169 Page 16) would be able to wield an ax with just one hand — since, according to Chapter 632 Page 16 and Page 17, utilizing the Seal allows the user to perform techniques without wasting energy and the power of their techniques are amplified.

Yet, Kishi is clearly showing us that, for any power that she gained from activating the Seal, for any techniques that she straight-up copied from Tsunade (as proven by Edo-Tobirama in Chapter 641 Page 3 and Chapter 644 Page 13), and for any hype that she gets simply for being Tsunade's protege, Seal-Sakura is NOT strong enough to wield an ax with just one hand; she HAS to use both of her hands.

(3) In Kishi's illustration, he reiterates to us yet again that NaruHina had been present in the manga after all and had been planned since the beginning, per his own words via official interviews such as NYCC 2015 and Jump Festa 2017. He also confirms — after both The Last and Naruto's image song released for The Last ("Itsu No Hi Ni Mo") all but stated it — that Naruto has been in love with Hinata since the Chunin Exams arc in Part 1 at the earliest (either Chapter 42 Page 7 or Chapter 77 Page 17). How so? Because Naruto is literally looking at only Hinata and no one else.

Sasuke and Sakura, his so-called alleged "precious teammates", are positioned above Naruto, yet he is NOT looking up towards them at all. Instead, he is looking to his direct upper-left corner at only Hinata.

Ahh, Luna, is this tea full of antis' bitter salty tears just delicious or what? 😏💁🏻‍♀️☕

#submission #masashi kishimoto #anti narusaku #anti sasunaru #anti narusasu #anti sns #anti sakura #anti sakura haruno #anti sakura uchiha #anti team 7 #naruhina #pro naruhina #nycc 2015 #jump festa 2017

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hopespeak-hostclub · 4 months

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Danganronpa Trigger Happy Havoc Taylor Swift fave songs

Im such a swiftie and also danganronpa is my life so I absolutely had to do this I’m so sorry

I tried to include reasoning, but a lot don’t have any! I just think they fit!!!

Makoto: The Best Day (Taylor’s version)

He loved his family so much and I can 1000% envision him crying to this song (same bro)

Sayaka: Me!

Literally no reason I just feel like she likes it and it’s one of my least faves just like sayaka sorry girl

Kyoko: no body, no crime (feat HAIM)

I genuinely don’t even need to say why

Byakuya: look what you made me do

This one was so hard if you have anything better lmk bc oh my god

Celeste: New Romantics (Taylor’s version)

„We're so young But we're on the road to ruin. We play dumb but we know exactly what we're doin'. We cry tears of mascara in the bathroom. Honey, life is just a classroom. 'Cause baby, I could build a castle, Out of all the bricks they threw at me And every day is like a battle. But every night with us is like a dream” idk homegirls would prob eat this song up

Chihiro: Anti-Hero

Toko: TOLERATE IT

I’m so passionate about this one TOKOS LOVE SHOULD BE CELEBRATED BUY BYAKUYA JUST TOLERATES IT GIRL DESERVES BETTER

Jack: vigilante shit

Asahina: It’s Nice to have a friend

she thinks about Sakura

Sakura: illicit affairs

I can’t explain this one but it makes so much sense to me

Kiyotaka : the last great American dynasty

Hiro: lavender haze

He thinks it’s a weed strain but we love him for that

Junko : mastermind

Duh

Leon: karma

Mukuro: I can see you (Taylor’s version) (from the vault)

I can’t explain it but girl screams this in her room

Mondo: Blank Space-I prevail cover

He’s “too cool” for Taylor but likes her music but won’t admit it

Hifumi: …ready for it?

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Oh yeah that M-F blogger dude thinks he's sooo right and in the same post will say things like Sasuke never thought of Naruto outside of Team 7, Sasuke got his tomoe at the first valley fight because he was pushed physically beyond his limits, it's like have some self awareness please.

Sakura is the one he never thought of outside of team 7. There was even an anti-ss post that mentioned this. This was also mentioned many times on anti-sasusaku fc. That guy clearly has not read the manga if he thinks this. Because Sasuke very much thought of Naruto outside of team 7. And what limits? Their fight hadn't even started yet.

Kishimoto: repeats the word "closest friend" over and over.

SS: Sasuke got third tomoe because he was exhausted.

Like that's some major failing of basic reading comprehension. Sasuke even tries to get the mangekyo by killing Naruto. What exactly is hard to understand here?

These people just have to twist everything because Sakura is so insignificant to Sasuke. You could remove her from the story and it wouldn't affect Sasuke's character at all.

Naturally, that guy insists like crazy that the databooks are canon, yet ignores the part that says parting from Naruto had been as painful to Sasuke as ripping half of his body. Again, cherry-picking. They pick and choose what fits their arguments.

#anonymous #anti ss fandom

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tamayokny · 2 years

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my thoughts during my naruto rewatch, part 1:

you say the uchiha are intense with their feelings? look at naruto: he’s extreme 110% of the time. this is especially shown during the land of the waves when naruto emits kurama’s chakra because he thought sasuke was killed.

sakura is an interesting character. at the start of the series, she has the least advantages compared to her teammates, but it’s shown early that she’s quick to analyze, understand, and even adapt to the situation compared to naruto and sasuke. her growth is really cool to watch.besides this, i feel like sakura is a great stand in for the audience--we are more like her than sasuke or naruto. (in terms of being a shinobi.)

additionally, i find it hilarious that anti-sakura folks get pissed based on how sakura constantly smacks naruto around. as if that isn’t a common shounen animanga trope. and that a lot of this type of violence happens in fillers more often.

also, as much as i love naruto, he does deserve to get smacked around by his teammate. his behavior can be inappropriate and she doesn’t know him well enough at this point. i’m sure some of his comments made sakura a bit uncomfortable and she wasn’t sure how to reject him.

i’m also going to defend sakura again: her feelings about naruto may be mixed in the beginning, but she does recognize when her own behavior was uncalled for. she tries to be better and she does become friends with naruto! she cares for him.

sasuke is also fun to watch when you’re familiar with his journey. like, you can see early on that he wasn’t always a menace (said with endearment)--he’s just aloof and moody. however, he has his soft moments with both naruto and sakura. he cares for his teammates; he’ll let sakura hug him while asking about naruto’s wellbeing

also, the way he saved naruto while kakashi was being negligent with his students lmfao

and when he saved konahamaru from kankuro pre-chunin exams. it was also cool how he crushed that people in his hand lol. he is cool.

the land of the waves arc is overall so good, especially since it sets up so much of the shinobi institution in just that arc alone!

zazuba and haku have a special place in my heart. it broke my heart when zazuba said that he couldn’t follow haku in the afterlife as he believed that he wasn’t worthy of residing in a good domain. he didn’t show it in a good sense, but zazuba did care for haku and that was reciporcated

we’re all pissed with how naruto was treated by konoha as a whole. however, when i was watching him drink expired milk in his shoddy apartment, it had me thinking: how are the orphans generally treated? the system for orphans is terrible! i know this gets addressed sometime in shippuden; i don’t remember the details exactly but damn. they way we are shown how problematic konoha’s overall system is so early on in naruto. i love to see it, honestly.

#mads makes a text post #mads watches naruto #naruto #naruto uzumaki #sakura haruno #sasuke uchiha #zabuza momochi #haku #konohamaru sarutobi #kankuro #kakashi hatake

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I did actually have an idea for what could be a catalyst for Protag!Nagito changing his mind; Sakura. Just as her main self's determination managed to pretty much stop Class 78 actively participating in the Killing Game, what if some of Despair!Sakura's original self managed to pierce the brainwashing through sheer willpower? Not fully able to stop the compulsions Junko implanted into her, but she does become a kind of mole among the Remnants for the Class 77 survivors. Protag!Nagito realizing that if there old selves aren't completely gone, maybe the simulation idea that Gekkogahara proposed before getting shot down might not be a pipedream after all. Up until this point I picture him as being kind of a "Anti-Hero Replacement" for main Makoto. He does undergo some positive character growth and forge stronger bonds with his classmates in their Killing Game. And he does become a somewhat inspiring figure in a way the mastermind didn't intend. But it's more like the audience found his plucky determination and never-give-up attitude weirdly endearing than him being an "Ultimate Hope". And after they team up with the Future Foundation, he's a little too onboard with Munakata's brand of fighting despair. But rehabilitating the Remnants could well be the point where him and the Class 77 survivors actually do better than the Class 78 survivors in canon. Like for example, maybe Sonia decides on the location of the NWP being a secure remote area of Novoselic instead of Jabberwock Island (her homeland still being a holdout in this timeline). And insists that they fake the Remnants' death in some kind of bombing. All to ensure that the Foundation doesn't interfere with the program. And Protag!Nagito's more flawed characteristics compared to Makoto could actually become an advantage here. Like he might have an easier time relating to the Remnants post-deprogramming, with some of them feeling like they don't deserve a second chance. Plus I could actually see him clashing with Gekkogahara and insisting she come up with a method that doesn't involve amnesia. Because on top of it feeling kind of offensive after his experiences in their Killing Game and his struggles with dementia, he's just thinking "How do you think they're going to feel when they wake up from a comfy European holiday and find most of their family and friends are dead, the world is a mess, and they're the cause?!" Hell, if the Monokuma virus does happen in his timeline (not sure if Hajime/Izuru would be present or not), maybe he just drops all the bullshit. Leading the others to some hidden dev room with Usami and laying out where they really are and why they're here. Could well be one of the few Killing Games in the multiverse that ends with no murders. He let Makoto Naegi down, but goddammit him and the other survivors aren't gonna let the rest of their Kouhais down this time.

I like the idea of Nagito preferring to have them remember well—their sins basically—as a call back his own personal experience with dementia because yeah, that was always such a weird feature for the program to begin with. It’s remarkably harder to get closure from an experience you don’t even remember anymore but still visibly and emotionally have to deal with the effects of. How do you even begin to approach that? This doesn’t even touch upon the fact that you’ve basically been age regressed to a teenager again and suddenly find yourself in an adult body that’s been mutilated in so many ways. I’ve always wondered how exactly the SDR1 crew were going to approach class 77 in the event of an actual successful program—no virus detected. I also found it amusing that Makoto seemed the most skeptical of the survivors to use the program as is considering he was the one who implemented the failsafe in the event something went south (which it did of course). Makes me think that Makoto would have preferred the program worked differently and, if given the time, would have made it be a much more different experience for the remnants rather than the whole Hope Fragment school field trip concept. I’d like to see Makoto’s version of the Neo World Program now haha. Ah, the DR lore really is somethin’—oodles of fun to consider all the possible aus that could have happened with just one simple change.

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