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ok just one thing and i'll go back to sleep i swear: this is just the scarf situation but on a much bigger scale: marinette hiding something fucked up that gabriel did so adrien has a chance at being happy.
#ml spoilers#marinette my baby girl you deserve better#anyone who blames this whole situation on you is a FOOL and deserves their face bashed in#recreation
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Calling all Adrien stans! Calling all Marinette salters! Calling all salt fic haters!
For those of you who don’t know, I wrote a sequel to the infamous Karma of Lies fanfic, with the help of a friend, and have decided to start a series where I write sequels to fix certain salt fics, especially those who are harshest to Adrien. But I would like some co-authors. Anyone who is interested, please comment on this post.
SUGGESTIONS
No one sees me but know I’m right here by kellikat23
Rejection AU by various
The Wolves in the Woods by FoxWitchWrites and Rafe_Minsi
Two Letters by CartoonAddict564
The Karma of Lies by CartoonAddict564 (because that one is just so horrible and needs more sequels)
Karma Overbalance by Shadymissionary
New Life and New Friends by Cornholio4
What Goes Around Comes Around by Cornholio4
Leave comments if there are any other stories you want to see.
#miraculous ladybug#ml salt#marinette dupain cheng#adrien agreste#miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir#miraculous salt#marinette salt#adrien sugar#miraculous#mlb salt#ladybug salt#salt on salters#salt on saltinette#saltinette salt#marinette bashing#anti adrien salt#ml the karma of lies#the karma of lies
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"Marinette is forgiving"
Yes, but not towards the two 14 year old assholes. But specifically forgiving to the.
Asshole that gave Hawkmoth all the miraculous, and then. Hawkmoth himself because?? Poor little man lost his wifey and he was oh sooo sad about it he had to terrorize all of Paris.
No yeah, definitely deserving of forgiveness.
I WONT SHUT UP ABOUT THIS PLOT POINT UNTIL ITS CHANGED IDC
You will NEVER convince me that Gabriel fucking Agreste or even fucking Felix are more deserving of forgiveness than Chloe and Lila.
I dont wanna hear SHIT.
#j.p speaks#mlb salt#i like marinette (to an extent) BUT YALL CANT DENY THIS IS STUPID AS FUCK.#and if yall can bash and salt on Chloe and Lila for writer decisions.#then so can I. but im not salting on Marinette just pointing out actually canon shit that makes no sense#its all about 'these girls dont deserve a second chance!!'#'but gabriel does!!'#SHUT UP WHO THOUGHT THAT WAS SMART? FUCK YOU.#miraculous ladybug#ml leaks#ml writing salt
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I can’t believe I have to say this again.
But like.
Do not leave comments that bash on the actual show whilst ‘complimenting’ my fanworks. It does not make me happy at all IN FACT I really HATE it when people do that.
I create stuff for this fandom because I adore the show with all its flaws and everything. I grew up with the show and I adore the characters so much. So when I receive comments or tags saying stuff like “Ugh if only the writers knew how to write like that” or “You should be in charge of canon cos canon is shit lol”, it just fucks up my mood and it makes me feel grossed out.
There are millions of things out there to write or say to other people about their work without having to bring down canon and what the actual professionals have worked on.
Keep your gripes about the show off my work.
#miraculous ladybug#miraculous ladybug and chat noir#ml fandom salt#i've been getting too many of this crap for years and some of them just get too personal#like for example in one of my AUs for fun i had marinette be able to speak chinese in a different dialect#and i had someone who praised me for it BUT bashed on the show for making marinette clueless about mandarin#which kinda pissed me off cos like#i have chinese in me but don't speak any of the languages there so does that mean i'm invalid too? lol#and in one of my recent writing i had someone lament that they wished i was writing for the show#like okay i know you mean it in a good way and you're not directly bashing the show#but the reason i can get away with creating and characterising the way i do is because i am working on them all ALONE#with no zag or money or producers getting in the way#and the stuff i create is always aimed to an audience that#is at least 15 years old#anyways if i keep going the tags will be longer than the river thames#my point is#keep your gripes private or off of other people's work#i wanna hear about what you LIKE about what i've created#not what the show has failed to do for you and whining about it
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Submitted prompt:
Strikeback AU, Adrien/Cat Noir bashing/salt, Felix/Flairmidable, Adrien OOC, Felix doesn't win here and neither does Adrien, warning: poisoning.
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Cat Noir watched as Ladybug and Flairmidable were talking together. He was perplexed about the new Dog hero, as she just lent the same Miraculous to a girl just a couple of days ago. He didn't think Miss Hound was a memorable addition to the team but he also couldn't remember her double crossing Ladybug in any way to justify getting her replaced from the team so suddenly. Especially by this random dude, who seemed to try his luck with his lady.
He then noticed how flustered Ladybug was getting around this new hero. "So it's him !" Cat Noir murmured under his breath. "I knew she'd recruit the guy she's in love with in her team eventually, I bet she was just waiting for this moment to finally get rid of him completely by having her crush fight alongside him. Too bad that I came prepared for this day!" He finally took out a croissant, which he Cataclysmed with his finger. However the croissant didn't disintegrate or even change composition at all. "Plagg told me that you can use Cataclysm to destroy the composition of an object but not the object itself so you can trick your opponents into thinking the object it's still intact. This method works on food as well and it makes what looks a completely delicious croissant become literally poison."
"Now it's time to get my payback" - murmured Cat Noir again. He went to Ladybug and Flairmidable and of course Ladybug tried to excitedly introduce him to the new hero, but he was having none of it. "I can't wait to wipe that smirk off your face".
He started eating a croissant in front of both of them and Ladybug scolded him about this not being the right time for it, but Cat Noir argued that he was too hungry to wait any longer. Flairmidable's stomach suddenly started growling much to his annoyance and Cat Noir's satisfaction "And it looks like I'm not the only one who is".
"Of course that loser had to start chewing that damn thing just as I'm quite literally starving over here". The moment Felix saw Adrien was due to leave Paris today he skipped all of his meals so he could come over to Paris to swap places with Adrien before he would leave. He had no other choice, this was his once in a lifetime opportunity to rob his uncle of the jewelery that was holding his life and he already got sidetracked by the fake Miraculous, but at least Ladybug unknowingly gave him the opportunity to outsmart his uncle once and for all. He was willing to deal with all of these annoying people and his body's needs in order to achieve his goal. He wasn't gonna let a hungry stomach get in the way of his mission !
"Hey, dude!", Cat Noir suddenly startled him from his thoughts. "It looks like I'm not the only who needs a bite. Lucky for you I've got a second croissant and I'm willing to give it to you."
Flairmidable: Sorry to tell you, but I don't need anything from you. If you can't see, we've got a villain to deal with, we don't have time to lose to eat sweet croissants ! Flairmidable's stomach started growling again after he said that "Crap!".
Cat Noir: Your stomach is clearly disagreeing with you about that, my cat ears don't lie. And look, we need all the energy possible to defeat this villain and Ladybug's gonna take her sweet time to gather everyone around for her final plan, so you have time enough time to devour this sweet croissant before we get into position.
Flairmidable: Ughh, fine, but I'm only doing this to shut you up.
Cat Noir: And your stomach as well I bet. Cat Noir winked.
Flairmidable started quickly eating the croissant. He didn't want to admit it, but it was delicious.
Cat Noir: I can tell you from what bakery you can find more such delicious croissants if you're a fan.
Flairmidable: Let's stop wasting time and concentrate on the villain at hand. "After all, he was after a much bigger prize later on."
Ladybug gathered and gave everyone from the team her multipled Lucky Charm sunnyglasses so they could go in and defeat Strikeback. As Flairmidable was about to take his pair, his stomach suddenly started growling intensely, making him drop his glasses and clutch his abdomen in pain. Everyone started being worried about Flairmidable instantly except for Cat Noir.
Ladybug: Are you alright Flairmidable ? What happened to you ?
Cat Noir: I think he's still hungry for some more of my delicious croissants. Said Cat Noir smirking.
Flairmidable's face turned green after hearing Cat Noir say that.
Flairmidable: Croissants ... (another intense stomach growling) let me go, LET ME GO !
He suddenly run over to the edge of the rooftop so he could start puking on the streets. And his puking was uncontrollable.
Ladybug: Oh My God Adrien ! Please detransform urgently, I think your Miraculous may have gotten broken and it's affecting your body !
Cat Noir murmured "Adrien ?!? I mean me ? How could that be possible ? Unless ... Oh no !"
Flairmidable detransformed and Cat Noir saw Felix in his earlier disguise of him. He stopped puking, but his face was still green and his stomach was still growling horribly while he was clutching it.
Felix: Help ... me ...
Cat Noir: Felix ?!? How are you here ?!? Why ?!
Ladybug: Wait, Felix ?!? Ladybug suddenly looked at the ill looking "Adrien".
Felix: You ... How could you ... ugh ... you couldn't ... couldn't have known it was me unless you ... you're Adrien !
Everyone suddenly gasped and Ladybug looked at Cat Noir with horror.
Ladybug: Cat Noir, is it true what he's saying ? You're really -
Cat Noir: Look M'Lady, I can explain !
Felix: You did it purposefully, suddenly shouted a green paled Felix. That croissant, you did this to me ! I will destroy you !
Felix got up and tried to charge up towards Cat Noir, but he was stopped in his tracks by more horrible growls coming from his infected stomach.
Felix: Oh no, not that again - suddenly he was back throwing up and this time he was doing it on the rooftop in front of everyone.
Ladybug: Someone needs to take him to receive medical help RIGHT NOW ! Carapace, take him to the nearest hospital that isn't in the radius of the sentimonsters.
Carapace took the almost unconcious Felix and started jumping towards the nearest undestroyed hospital "Please don't throw up on me dude".
Cat Noir: M'Lady look - but Ladybug stopped him in his tracks while she was examining by the Dog Miraculous.
Ladybug: You know Cat Noir, or should I say Adrien, Master Fu warned me that a Miraculous holder can only get sick while trasnformed if their Miraculous is damaged or their body got altered by another Miraculous' power. And the Dog Miraculous looks to be completely intact. So was what Flairmidable said true, did you really do something to him ?
Cat Noir: I'm sorry, I didn't mean to -
Ladybug: What did you ?!?
Cat Noir: I cataclysmed the composition of a croissant and then gave it him.
Ladybug: Why the hell you did that ? You could've killed him !
Cat Noir: I didn't want to kill him, just to make him a bit sick and make him unable to complete this mission, I didn't thought he'd get sick that badly !
Ladybug: But why ? Why would you poison your own cousin ?
Cat Noir: I didn't know he was MY cousin, I would've have done it if I knew. And truth be told, I didn't want to lose you !
Ladybug: What ?
Cat Noir: I thought this was the guy you were in love with with the way you were acting around him and I honestly couldn't stand the thought of you two working together, you replacing me with him, I needed to do something, I couldn't lose you, you know I'm still in love with you.
Ladybug looked at him in horror for a couple of moments afterwards, but finally resigned.
Ladybug: I should've done this earlier. She subtly gave a signal to someone behind her back.
Cat Noir: Do wh- Suddenly Cat Noir was paralyzed from behind his back by Vesperia. Ladybug took the Miraculous from him unceremounisly and he detransformed back to Adrien.
Ladybug: I'm sorry Adrien, but you've just proven yourself unworthy of the Miraculous.
#long post#submission#ml writing prompts#miraculous ladybug#adrien bashing#adrien salt#Chat Noir bashing#Chat Noir salt#Flairmidable#Felix Agreste#poisoning#puking
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Today's episode was Representation, the one with the weird art student play put on by Kagami and Felix. On a rewatch, I think I may have realized why the writers did that. It's a crazy theory, but I can't stop thinking about it.
SO's thoughts first: he was extremely disappointed that Felix used a sentimonster when he could have just talked to Marinette. Wasn't Felix's whole thing freeing sentimonsters? Why does he keep using them for the lamest reasons?
My thoughts: I once again noticed that Felix never says that Adrien is a sentimonster. He just says that Emilie got pregnant - with peacock feathers in the background as a hint - and that Emilie asked Gabriel to help Amelie have a baby, too. Then the peacock gets explicitly brought up, which is odd. Why don't the writers just commit to sentiAdrien and be done with it? I was also confused why they made such a big deal of the family rings when they don't seem to have any special powers in and of themselves.
As I once again considered these issues, I had a thought: does Marinette actually know that Adrien is a sentimonster?
I know that sounds crazy, but think about what she actually knows vs what we know: until Felix explicitly mentions the peacock, Marinette would have no reason to think that sentimonsters were involved, meaning that she could easily have missed the quick hint. Especially since most of Adrien's commands were things that were only shown to the audience. She was only there for one of them, "Adrien go to your room," and she had no reason to think that was odd behavior.
Even if she did know that he was a senti, how would she know what his amok was? Felix never tells her. He only says that the rings were precious family heirlooms + the Agreste's wedding rings. And Marinette knew nothing about Emilie's illness. She was never told that it was the same illness that Nathalie has. Marinette didn't even know that Emilie was in the basement until that final fight.
All of these things were obvious to the audience, so we just assumed that she knew, but maybe she doesn't? Because watching that play, one could reasonably assume that Adrien was a real child and Felix was a look-a-like senti made because Amelie wanted a baby, too. This is why I thought up the theory, actually, because I had the thought that they'd written it that way in case they wanted to backtrack, which made no sense. But writing it that way to confuse Marinette? That would actually be somewhat logical.
I could be totally wrong, but maybe we're all blaming her for something she doesn't actually know. At the very least, the setup for her not knowing is there. Has it actually been confirmed that she knows?
#ml writing salt#ml writing critical#ml season 5 salt#ml representation#we watched the mayor chloe episodes too but had nothing to say#They're boring chloe bashing and we're both tired of it#suffering through a rewatch of season 5 for love of my so
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something I love to see is like. How fandoms treat villains differently and I think you can really see it in miraculous ladybug and the villains of Lila vs Hawkmoth
(cw HP) like it’s analogous to Harry Potter and how the fandom treats the villains of Umbridge and Voldemort. I’ve seen others say that Voldemort is such a far away and cartoony evil that it’s hard to relate to and feel threatened by… but Umbridge? She is every single teacher that hurt us, the uncaring and actively malicious authority figure in our school or work life, and the bigotry in the education system and legal system given a face. So she represents a much more close evil than the end of book villain, which is why fandom fixates on her and projects everything on here
And that’s what I think is happening with Lila in salt fics. Why she’s so demonized in comparison to Hawkmoth in those fics. (This is not to relate it to the canon because the canon isn’t supposed to be projection fuel) but really, most of us aren’t haunted by a distant evil man in a tower, we’re just not going to relate to that part. But most people have had that middle school bully who seemed to have it out for us. We’ve had friends with lying sides who made rumors about us or hurt us with fake sweet words, and Lila is just a stand in for everyone that did those things. We can project all of our anger and hurt on her, making her a demon because that’s how we felt about our bullies. And genuinely, no one really got justice or closure. Zero tolerance policy hurt the bullied kids just as much as the bullies, if not more in how it never really put a stop to bullying.
Maybe that’s why Lila can be so over the top in fics, her comeuppance so grand, and Marinette so willing and able to cut ties with toxic friendships. It’s wish fulfillment. We wish our bullies got what was coming to them, we wish we were able to walk away from things that we once loved but now was hurting us.
Idk, I just love it.
#miraculous ladybug#ml#miraculous ladybug salt#mlb#mlb salt#ml salt#salt fic#Lila salt#saltfic#character bashing#lila bashing#desi.txt#harry potter
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#morgana pendragon#katie mcgrath#bbc merlin#ml s01e10#*mp#I love when she's lined up to just fucking skewer the dude#then it cuts and she's holding the sword the other way and bashes him with the pommel instead#also third gif katie pls
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andre the ice cream man when he finds out about aromantic people
#you know this newfound bashing… i am okay with it#he is a liittttle weird Sometimes#a lot weird sometimes#miraculous ladybug#miraculous#ml#ml spoilers#ml s5#andre the ice cream man#glaciator 2#elation spoilers#ml s5 spoilers
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I don’t see anybody talking about this, but I appreciate the normalizing/progressiveness of this mural depicting M. Bustier breastfeeding her baby
P.S. Could the new outfits displayed here be a part of the incoming redesigns?
#miraculous ladybug#ml#mlb#ml re-creation#ml s5 finale#normalize breastfeeding#good for her#I'm not trying to bash on mom's who can't#ms bustier#miracuclass#ml season 5 finale
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here’s my last few redesigns!!! antags edition :))) (ik volpina isn’t a real hero but it’s the closest there is to a hero form for Lila)
#art#miraculous ladybug#chloe bourgeois#sabrina raincomprix#lila rossi#felix graham de vanily#queen bee ml#miss hound#volpina#flairmidable#lowkey obsessed w/ chloe & sabrina’s designs#ALL OF THE HERO COSTUMES ARE ORANGE/YELLOW#it’s cool but also it makes me wanna bash my jead against a wall
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You know some interesting I noticed? A popular defense for Marinette and why she should get away with stuff she does even when she breaks the law is the defense that she “goes though enough”. When her mistakes and flaws are pointed out, a go-to defense os that “oh, but she already suffers so much, she’s punished for stuff that isn’t her fault, life is already so unfair to her, let’s cut her some slack, it’s only fair.”
Well, guess what Adrien haters?
That’s exactly Adrien’s situation in the show.
Sure he doesn’t get the chance to suffer consequences for most of his mistakes and learn from them and grow as a person like Marinette does. But if an overbalance of suffering for thongs that are not one’s fault is a qualification for getting a free pass on negative consequences for your mistakes, I think Adrien meets those qualifications. After all, it’s certainly not his fault that his father abuses him, or that his mother is gone, or that he has very limited freedom. If unfair cosmic occourances count as free passes on facing fallout for your action, I think Adrien has earned it.
Which would certainly be ironic, considering that everyone is whining that Adrien doesn’t get consequences for his action and dismissing all the emotional and psychological abuse he suffers at home as a flimsy excuse. The hard fact is, everything they want happening to Marinette, to be able to use her suffering as credit to get out of consequences, is what is happening to Adrien right now.
#ml fandom salt#marinette salt#adrien deserves better#adrien agreste#ml salt#miraculous#miraculous ladybug#miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir#marinette dupain cheng#adrien salters are hypocrites#marinette stan salt#marinette bashing
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I hate it that whenever I hear a Marinette stan it's always "she's not perfect but she's amazing and she's trying and she's always leaning towards the better and she's getting better and better" - which is how I feel and how they say it in the show too and it's totally ok and true, but for every other character the fans are always like "the most perfect character ever, the best and the only normal character ever in this show", and it sucks cuz no one in this show is perfect nor normal nor flawless and they've all made mistakes and I'm tired of pretending that Marinette is the only one for whom we can say so cuz you don't seem like real stans to me. You either accept both character's wrongs and rights and stan them for their rights only or you stan them for their wrongs only (which is something you do for villains mostly). But I'm sick whenever I hear someone turning a character into a saint who's never done anything wrong just because they like them. Every character is in their story and they do things that are right or wrong in their story and that's how it is. They all fight for their places and you don't have to love them all but stop acting like your favourite is immaculate and everyone else is bad.
#It took Adrien stans too long to understand this also Kagami stans are never gonna understand this they're perfect my ass#Their parents say they're perfect cuz they are feathers#The other day I watched a Marinette bashing video how they hate her for being jealous of Kagami#And I said as if Kagami wasn't jealous nor a bad girlfriend#And one chick was like oh c'mon that was seasons ago#And I said and this was seasons ago too and Marinette stopped being jealous way before Kagami was but I don't see you mentioning this#The double standards here#When they say I hate Lila for being a crazy bitch but I love Félix cuz he's a crazy bitch unlike Lila who's only a crazy bitch#Or like why can't y'all embrace Chloé as a whole instead of turning her into a flawless saint#She's abused she had good and bad moments she chose evil in the end why can't y'all stan her for being complicated#Also Luka stans wow he's so perfect wow leave me out of this#No one is perfect here why can't you accept that#You stan them all you want but saying they are absolutely flawless is sick knowing that no one is and Marinette is the only one#Who got that title that's cuz y'all don't like her and want her to be less than your favourite#miraculous ladybug#Ml fandom salt
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I get that this is a kids show and it's supposed to make lots of merch and money from toys but istg I'm sick of seeing so many damn heroes running around 😂�� JUST KEEP IT AS LADYNOIR AND RENA AND CARAPACE AND THAT IS MORE THAN ENOUGH!!!!
#miraculous ladybug#miraculous ladybug and chat noir#Ml spoilers#ml recreation spoilers#ml recreation#ml conformation spoilers#ml conformation#This isn't salt this is just me disliking an aspect NOT BASHING smh#This is one thing I don't like about superhero themed shows or films and that's the oversaturation of heroes#Spiderverse does it well cos they're all basically in their own dimension#And I liked ml having a Lady X hero in every country that was actually super cool#It made them unique and having ladynoir being two halves of a whole is the most enticing part#But now there's a rainbow of furry kids dancing around parisian rooftops and I don't like that
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I know Marinette and Adrien are gonna be together but I swear, her and Luka would’ve been so perfect together 🫠🫠
#luka couffaine#marinette dupain cheng#lukanette#ml salt#like he treats her with so much respect#everyone was talking about the recent episode with Adrien going at Marinette’s pace and being a good protective boyfriend#and it makes me scream because Luka literally did that but FIRST#I’m not bashing Adrien#in a way I kinda like them too#but I’ve always been more of a fan of Luka#he’s so understanding and patient 🥺#the best
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"Marinette Dupain-Cheng Bashing"
What, you mean canon?
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