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uh-mxtx · 7 months

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Modern MDZS au where WWX gets in a debate with college professor LQR about LGBTQA+ stuff, probably bc WWX is “corrupting” LWJ with the gay agenda. And stealing all of LWJ’s turtlenecks, for some odd reason! The boy clearly can’t take care of his own clothes, they’re all tattered and his hair is a birds nest.

Anyways, LWR is going on about how the homos are lecherous filth that have fallen to temptation or smth while covering up their transgressions by naming themselves odd things. Really, LQR asks, “what even is a pan-sexual?” (Or some other such thing that shows he doesn’t actually know anything anout being queer)

“Oh, you don’t know?” WWX asks, eyes wide and innocent and CLEARLY up to Some Shit. “Professor Lan, Professor Lan, Professor ‘show your sources do your research’ LAN. Do you not know what we’re debating about?”

LQR huffs and starts saying something about family values and continuing on bloodlines, but WWX is grinning like the cat that caught the canary.

“Professor, have you ever actually researched this? Or are you just wasting my time?” (An actual LQR quote from earlier in the semester)

LQR puffs up, and he’s all “of course I haven’t-“

“Well then, Sir,” WWX interrupts, manic joy written all over his expression, “may I just say that you have the audacity of a white man insisting that Mandarin is just a type of orange.”

The bell rings before LQR can get a word in, and WWX grabs his bag and books it to the door.

“I’ll send you some reading, Professor Lan! Let’s do this again when you know what you’re talking about!”

And with that he’s gone.

Now, WWX is only a little bit of a hypocrite, bc he definitely thought he was straight and only just managed his Revelation of “oh heck Lan Zhan is so pretty he turned me gay?” *research montage bc he actually has resources (and NHS definitely helped.) “Oh maybe girls are just pretty and I’m demisexual.”

However, the fact that he only JUST did this, means his ADHD self still has all the tabs open. And, like, he did say he’d send stuff, and this is Lan Zhan’s uncle. So, he compiles a helpful list of sites and articles, includes a link to a place where you can ask questions to the Queer Council, and sends it off.

LQR is initially going to ignore it, but then his scholar brain gets the better of him. WWX had made a point, he was woefully unprepared, and so with the intention of finding points to throw in that little brat’s face, he braces himself for horrible outlandish untraditional family-breaking nastiness, plus whatever else WWX might have put in there (ancestors if that horrid boy sent him PORN he’ll have him expelled) and opens the links.

He finds a bunch of actual helpful websites.

Definitions for all the names, labels, flags. Helpful tips for understanding yourself. Pictures of couples holding hands, smiling happily.

“Love isn’t just for procreation.”

Resources for kids who’s parents kicked them out. Survival tips. Unsafe areas.

And, because I’m personally a big fan of Demisexual WWX, a whole bunch of websites on the Asexual spectrum. You know, where people say, “oh yeah, apparently other people actually DO feel that urge to have sex with people. The songs aren’t making stuff up y’all. We’re just built different.”

LQR: nani tf?

Thus begins a confused deep dive into asexuality, what it means, allosexuals and all that jazz. LQR actually does end up asking a question on one of the sites, something like:

“I always believed that people who allowed themselves to be lustful and fall into bed with others were simply unrestrained. Is it true that some people feel an actual need for this? I have felt attraction for a woman before, but I never felt the need that some popular media attests to.”

There’s a bunch of replies, but one sticks out to LQR:

“Gonna be crude for a sec, excuse me- did you actually want to bang her? Or were you friends and heteronormative society insisted that boys and girls gotta want to fuck?”

LQR, who as a young man looked at CSSR and thought “If I have to marry, I wouldn’t mind her”: 🤯🤯🤯

Oh no.

He has to face that smirking little brat WWX.

#lan qiren #wei wuixan #wangxian #ace lan qiren #demisexual wangxian #mdzs fanfiction #mdzs prompt #modern mdzs

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northisnotup · 8 months

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OKAY so i have a modern mdzs idea based on a twitter thread and two Devon Cole songs that I'll never write, bc idk if this is the set up or the fic or what but my life is a garbage fire 🔥👍😊

Where wwx's whole 'lost everything' thing was him getting carbon monoxide poisoning/having a gas leak in his apartment and thus having a year where he loses time, acts super erratic, loses friends/family/scholarship or job, is accused of multiple things including drug use, and eventually has to move in with the Wens!

I just think equating the whole yin iron/resentment poisoning thing with an actual irl thing thats similar would be really interesting!

Cause yeah those are choices he made that he now has to live with - But they're choices he made under the influence so how much can really be attested to him?

And he went against the housing corp (Jins of course) and lost! (lxc could never believe jgy would allow that to happen) (he can and would!)

Wwx: okay i didn't - 'break up' with my boyfriend.

Wn: oh?

Wq: thats not what I heard.

Wwx: no what happened was i walked out of what was, unbeknownst to me, supposed to be our engagement party because i was high, again - unbeknownst to me, and i yelled 'i just wish your family would call me a gold digging whore to my face!' Which was. Bad. So i walked out. With like. No phone, wallet, or anything and got on a train where i didn't know where it was going. Then i ran into A-Ning being mugged and couldn't just leave him!

Wn: thank you!

Wwx: its fine! Its good! So then you guys took me home...and to the hospital. And by the time I was okay to leave and I could phone home it seemed to awkward - like ....yeah. So i didn't leave him. I just! Left!

Wq: thats worse. You see how thats worse, right?

(Meanwhile the Jin took over the Wen housing division in a take over spearheaded by jgy - Wen Qing found...a lot black mold and immediately moved herself and wen ning 4 hours away where its much cheaper to live. It was a hard adjustment but worth it. She has no idea how wwx found them and he does not remember the trip.)

And like - listen - i'm not SAYING lwj was rushing things to try and get wwx to move in, but he might have been rushing things! 'Come to Gusu' is not DISSIMILAR to 'marry me.'

#fic idea #free to a good home #free to use #mdzs #wangxian

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ephemeralgalaxies · 1 year

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TLDR: this turned much longer than I was expecting but anyways I'm crying over just how prepared WWX was to push LWJ away bc he does know him and knows what will hurt him enough (and that just happens to be convincing LWJ that they can never actually understand or be important to each other -- that they should stay within their own clan/sect boundaries.

IM SOBBING. Like, at this point idek how many times I've watched (and posted about. sorry mutuals) that one scene in The Untamed where wwx reunites with lwj (and jc) 3 months after he was thrown into the burial mounds. But somehow only TODAY did I finally understand a deeper cinematic meaning behind the words wwx says to lwj that stick enough to be repeated in lwj's head after he leaves.

It's the fact that WWX tells LWJ "this is a Jiang clan business" and "who do you think you are" and "who does your Lan Clan think they are" with that lovely rift between them when they call each other by their courtesy name instead (that emotional "Wei Wuxian!" and the heartless "Lan Wangji..." hurts every time my gOd). And for so long I just thought "oh yeah, that hurts. He's saying that there's a distance between him and LWJ. Of course that would hit LWJ hard enough for him to reflect on that."

But then after (finally) analyzing the scene where they say goodbye to Song Lan and Xiao Xingchen bro it hit so much worse. Because SL tells the others that him and XXC believe more in a bond between "like minded individuals" rather than "bloodline," WWX agreeing and smiling as he claims to everyone (including his brother) that he and LWJ are the same.

SO WHEN HE RETURNS AFTER THE BURIAL MOUNDS AND TELLS LWJ THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE JIANG CLAN AFFAIR OFC IT HURTS LWJ SO MUCH BC HE'S REJECTING THEIR PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIP/EXPERIENCES "even if you don't respect our student days..." bRO YOU DID IT FIRST YOU ASSHOLE (affectionate, bc I understand why he pushed LWJ away but still)

Like, he already pushed that "how can anyone else know my temperament," using the same character (知) as is in (知己, or the Netflix translation of "(life-long) confidante" but I cry bc the meaning is so much more than that) -- OF WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE HE'S ALREADY CALLED LWJ THAT back in Cloud Recesses when discussing the yin iron (and Netlfix's translation into "confidante" as I sob) so LWJ is already crumbling bc WWX has basically just told him that he no longer considers them as this, PLUS the added pain of "I won't even try to let you worry about me or help me or know me bc you're not my family. I'm sticking with them." ("Gusu? Why would I go to Gusu? No no no. I prefer Yunmeng" with that malicious smirk bc he knows he's just driving the point even more that now he's only concerned with blood/clan family, a place LWJ never has and never will fit into).

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seethefakemuses · 2 years

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I'm not even a huge LWJ fan, but I don't think it's accurate to call WWX his summer camp crush? They had many more meetings and interactions over the course of seven years, even if they were at odds for most of that time. JGY was NMJ's right hand for roughly three months, Wen Ning met WWX literally once before committing high treason, XXC knew Song Lan for at MOST nine months before he tore out his eyeballs for him. JC is the only normal person in the book

…nonny, that was a deliberate understatement. although okay, for real, let’s tally up their meetings pre-death.

1) gusu lessons — wwx didn’t stay the whole time bc he got kicked out early. during the time he was there he likely bothered lwj for, let’s say, an avg of 5 minutes per day. one-sided, didn’t really interact on anything past superficial level.

2) qishan archery competition — wwx grabs lwj’s forehead ribbon, lwj walks off in a snit.

3) wen indoctrination — wwx helped him walk + they were stuck in the xuanwu cave together. however, wwx got a fever and was delirious post-killing the xuanwu. wangxian.mp3 was first sung.

4) sun shot campaign — well, it’s a war. not much time to chit chat and deepen feelings. plus lwj’s trying to get wwx to stop his demonic cultivation and go to gusu, which wwx doesn’t like.

4.5) that banquet post war — idk if wwx talked to lwj during this but i’m pretty sure all the sects were there so i’m including it as a maybe.

5) phoenix mountain hunt — didn’t really talk to each other, lwj forced kiss upon wwx.

6) burial mounds — lwj visits once. short visit, tense vibes due to situation.

7) pledge conference — lwj drags wwx’s unconscious body into a cave somewhere and then later brings him back to the burial mounds (? i think)

so like. 7 meetings total and they barely have a relationship there. the difference between wangxian and nieyao or songxiao is that the latter actually developed deeper relationships whereas wangxian was superficial. my was nmj’s right hand man, his most trusted subordinate, so the betrayal hit nmj right in the gut, that he trusted someone who turned out to be like that. songxiao spent their whole time essentially wrapped up in each other dreaming about a future together. with wen ning, wwx was the first person to say he was good and stick up for him that wasn’t a family member. hero worship makes you do crazy things. just look at k-pop fans if you want an example lmfao.

#can’t actually look it up anymore so we’re relying on my memory #also let’s not forget jiang cheng is also not normal he’s just only insane for like 2 ppl #lan wangji #wei wuxian #wangxian #relationship analysis? i guess lol #mdzs #i don’t mean nieyao and songxiao in the romantic way but their ship names are shorter than writing out my and nmj’s relationship etc #anon #asks

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llycaons · 2 years

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I maintain that wwx’s longing for LP doesn’t rely on jc nearly as much fans seem to think it does. a lot of his grief postres is of course wrapped up in nostalgia and homesickness and regrets for LP as a whole, but jyl is dead and he will never have that sibling dynamic again because jyl was required to sustain the jc and wwx relationship...and that’s tragic, that is, but the way things fell apart and the way jc and wwx’s relationship fractured before her death makes it so clear how fundamentally different their paths were always going to be, and it’s not a step forward or a ‘happy ending’ to have him return to someone with whom he’s had such a longterm and severe falling-out with. honestly jyl MADE that place his home. it was her compassion, and her love, and her generosity, her encouragement, her understanding that allowed wwx and jc to even have a relationship in the first place. and they did become close obviously but they could barely communicate with each other without her, of course the relationship didn’t survive her death

wwx clearly bitterly regrets what happened with jc and is upset that jc hates him (or so he thinks) but he also doesn’t particularly seem to miss jc in BM the way he misses jyl or lwj which is interesting to me bc I don’t think wwx even likes him on a personal level which is another layer on complication here. there’s a lot of textual support for him loving jc and being protective of him but not really respecting jc as a leader, with a lot of subtext about him being very homesick and still caring a lot about him...which don’t contradict! they can both be true! but I still think that acting like a longterm survivor of unbelievable trauma can only truly be happy in a home he saw his entire family slaughtered in, at the side of a man who’s repeatedly assaulted him, encouraged him to kill himself, and triggered him intentionally, goes past stupid and into actively harmful, considering wwx’s lifetime of sacrifice and his willingness to be mistreated for other people’s sakes, especially the jiang’s. and it wouldn’t make him happy! it wouldn’t!

stating that LP his only ‘true’ home is...a reading that I can see people taking for sure, esp since in the drama he never really settled in CR. but stating that jc is the family he would be happiest with is so blatantly untrue like it ignores literally over half the story, essentially the entire ‘present-day’ arc and the many other people who wwx became family with, including jin ling, who is literally the last link he has to jyl and someone he clearly cares a lot about.

like. jc is the one sibling left but that doesn’t mean he’s okay to go back to, and it doesn’t mean that wwx would even be happy going back to him after developing such strong relationships with people who don’t routinely mistreat and abuse him, people he’s genuinely liked and been interested in since he was a teenager, people who he’s been through hell with and who shares his beliefs and principles. and we’ve obviously seen that wwx isn’t safe with jc, that jc isn’t in control of his anger, that he hurts wwx to personally gratify himself, that he triggers him with his phobia for no other reason than he thinks wwx deserves it. I feel like that should be clear to anyone with critical thinking skills even if they are jc fans?

I swear hardcore jc fans will just ignore the epic romance that’s literally the other most important wwx dynamic just because they don’t like it or whatever but like, not to criticize how people watch a show for fun but you cannot do a reading on wwx’s home or family or relationships supported by the text if you discount the significance of lwj to wwx or how their relationship is so utterly and intentionally different than jc’s. sometimes feels like these fans are taking the most bad-faith, shallow, face-value interpretation of ‘oh wwx finds lwj boring and is stifled by CR’ and not bother to interrogate why maybe wwx is happy around lwj anyway and respects him and is excited to see him and brings him to important places like the shrine

I know none of this is saying anything new and I do like jc as a character, I just wish his fans would maybe use their heads and think through a complicated situation with respect to wwx further than ‘he misses this place so he will obviously be happy there with this person’ and then proceed to ignore 75% of the rest of the show that contradicts that or offers more nuance

#I saw a post and I got so annoyed sorry #disclaimer I was influenced by the novel in coming to this conclusion because I think it’s a lot less clear in the drama #but I do still think it's true in the drama #cql txp

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grewlikefancyflowers · 3 years

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“Wwx kills and tortures” the only ppl he ever tortured was WC WZL and WLJ because why tf would he waste his time torturing random soldiers he gives no fucks about it isn’t practical nor fun or interesting lol he had every right to torture those 3 bc of what they did to him other than that WWX is just like any other soldier during that war, the fact that he was stronger and could defeat more people in less time and with less effort than the rest doesn’t make him immoral it makes him the only reason everyone else came out alive and won the war. Idk who tf came out with the head canon of WWX enjoying torture when literally the three antagonists are the ones who love torture and are portrayed as trash to emphasize the fact that WWX is the opposite of them 🙄

MDZS is a setting where violence as revenge is pretty standard, even condoned, as long as it's proportional. WWX’s actions themselves aren’t necessarily presented as wrong. And I can’t believe I have to say this but this doesn’t mean I am personally cool with torture askjfsdkj some personal/modern standards cannot be applied to a setting that is so far removed from our own.

Here is a neat little quote from XXC - '“Chang CiAn broke one of your fingers in the past. If you sought revenge, you could’ve simply broken one of his fingers as well. If you really took the matter to heart, you could’ve broken two, or even all ten! Even if you had cut off an entire arm of his, things wouldn’t have been like this. Why did you have to kill his entire clan? Don’t tell me that a single finger of yours was equal to more than fifty human lives!”' (Ch.41)

Reminder that XXC is presented as a standard good & noble character. He’s not m*rally gr*y.

WC, etc, had massacred the entirety of LP, including little kids, and thrown WWX into BM, not only leaving him to die but keeping his soul trapped there as well. What WWX did wasn’t disproportionate to what was done to him.

As for WWX’s handling of the Wen armies in the SSC, I think some people would argue that his method of raising the dead to kill their own families is a form of torture, which is a take I guess I don’t necessarily disagree with ?? But I wouldn’t say this method was impractical, I think it has the very useful effect of making WWX’s opponents unwilling to fight back against the corpses of their own family or sect members. It’s brutal and efficient!

Even though what WWX did to them wasn’t necessarily undeserved, and it was undeniably very cool and sexy of him; WWX himself doesn’t feel too great about it. It is referred to* as ‘almost cruel ways of venting his anger’# (Ch.75). And of course, there’s that quote that this fandom seems to take as complete condemnation from WWX that everything he did in his past life was wrong 🙄 - ‘Even when he, himself, thought about it afterward, he felt that he had done a bit too much.’ (Ch.66)

I’ve spoken about this before in this post here - even though WWX is a little meow meow that did nothing wrong, his actions in what he did to WC, WLJ and others during the SSC aren't things that I think we as readers are necessarily supposed to support. Actually ig this is similar to how I think of JZX's death - obviously we're not supposed to support it, but it isn't an objective wrong either.

Something that all the antagonists in MDZS seem to share is this issue of taking their grievances too far, stewing in their own resentment - JGY, XY, JC, even that guy from the Gatecrashing extra. WWX doesn’t go down this path, while ultimately I’d say he doesn’t cross over that line, he does toe pretty close to it.

*Actually, I’m rethinking this point. I did consider this to be WWX condemning his own actions as cruel and, more importantly, a way of venting his own grievances, but the full quote is

'In the past, it wasn’t that he couldn’t tell how most of the Wen Sect’s people here were all somewhat scared of him.

They had all heard of the ruthless reputation he had during the Sunshot Campaign, the almost cruel ways of venting his anger that so many talked about. They had seen with their own eyes how he used corpses to kill others as well. In the first few days, Granny Wen’s legs began to shake whenever she saw him. Wen Yuan always hid behind her too. They only started to approach him after some time had passed.'

The references to WWX being ruthless and cruel are framed as other people's words. Whereas what the Wen remnants had seen with their own eyes is described very neutrally. After actually spending some time with WWX, they realise he's not scary at all. So... does WWX think of what he did as cruel, and are we supposed to really think the same? Maybe not.

#mdzs #people in this fandom just hate wwx i s2g #imagine watching like ga/me of thro/nes and being like omg watch out this character /kills/ people #like no shit these people in a historical fantasy setting are killing each other and breaking the goddamn geneva convention adkjfdjfjdf #seriously where did we all go wrong. is the purpose exploring stories in settings different to our own not so that characters can #do cool and sexy things like revenge torture and it not be like. a big deal.#mdzs meta #wei wuxian #i hope this is all :/ coherent :/ i typed out a whole response and then accidentally deleted it all like a fucking idiot #so i rewrote the whole thing while like. half remembering what i had written before #which is like the most annoying thing to be doing

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ninthfeather · 3 years

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Please tell me /literally all of the behind the scenes things/ for aim to repaint these days?

Ok, so when I started 'aim to repaint these days' I was thinking about a swap rather than just the Juniors timetraveling? Like I was gonna send the Juniors back to Sunshot but simultaneously dump Sunshot-era WWX, LZ, JC and NHS in post-CQL-epilogue-land. Unfortunately, I quickly figured out that a fic like that was a little too ambitious for me--waayyyyy too many moving parts. Also I kinda wanted to be able to toss the kids at the Sunshot-era version of their responsible adults presences/sect leaders/parents.

So with my parameters redefined I focused on the kids landing in Sunshot. I had a few ideas that i didn't ultimately go through--including the classic JL-interacts-with-his-unknowing-parents scenario, but ultimately I decided not to go in that direction.

There are a few plot threads I deleted that I kinda wish I'd been able to write in full--mostly, I had a subplot of LSZ getting extremely fed up with NMJ's whole "we will kill all the Wen" attitude, since he knows how that ends for his family, and a scene with the Juniors being like "that? is senior Wei?" when looking at Sunshot-era WWX, while WWX is deeply uncomfortable with kids roughly his age calling him 'Senior.'

My favorite thing I did include was the kids' utter disinterest in helping the war effort. Because, like, it's history for them. It was won forever ago. The Sunshot-era people feel like underdogs desperately scrabbling for an upper hand while the kids see their victory as a foregone conclusion, but are much more worried about the years immediately following the war, when many of their parents died. So of course they're more worried about the postwar stuff, but poor LXC and NMJ are just baffled by it.

Also, while I know he only started taking initiative after NMJ's death, I love the idea of young!NHS actually using his brain for things other than revenge, bc by the end of the series it's very clear that he's terrifyingly smart and pretty ruthless. Like, yes, he made up a lot of his plan on the fly, but he was basically being monitored by a serial killer while trying to take said serial killer down (note: yes I agree that JGY had reasons for what he did and everything, but he did literally murder several people on different occasions relatively close together, which means he fits the technical definition of serial killer). I maintain that with the right motivation, NHS could have been a real threat (to who? anyone who pissed him off, that's who).

Anyhow, I adored writing this fic and I hope you enjoyed it.

#cql #cql spoilers #ask #reply #meta #about fanfic #junior quartet #nie mingjue #nie huaisang

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i-like-plan-m · 3 years

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I love all your writing. You have a gorgeous way with words and a very well-thought-out approach to AUs. That being said, my favourite of your works has to be the "WWX is raised by another Sect." If you wanted to write something about WWX being raised by Baoshen Sanren, I would be all over it. ♡

Plus a similar prompt from @sabeanybabe!

I know you explore the bloodline of Sanren a lot, but I would like to see more fics where everyone gets super freaked about wwx bc of this. Maybe in this world he grows up on the immortal mountain, and leaves briefly (I like fics where he can go back to the mountain bc hes family, esp. bc he might not have the Jiangs). I'd love to see the reactions of when comes to the classes w/o invitation bc his grandma, the immortal, sent him. wwx disrupts CR in a different and new way

Posted to Ao3: wander the edges of light

“Stand up straight,” Lan Qiren hissed at a fidgeting disciple. Lan Wangji did not turn around, busy watching the path with Lan Xichen at his side and half the sect gathered somewhat restlessly behind them.

Not even the famous Lan composure could withstand a meeting with the legendary Baoshan Sanren, it seemed.

His could, he thought with some disdain. And xiongzhang was as poised as ever. But curiosity was contagious, and their disciples were on edge from the sudden dissipation of their wards and the ensuing announcement that Baoshan Sanren would be visiting to assist them with repairs.

Without warning, Lan Yi had fallen into a frozen sleep in the Cold Pond Cave that few knew existed. Her strength had been the only thing keeping a certain dangerous item hidden, and their defensive wards had faltered without her for some unknown reason.

The Cloud Recesses was left vulnerable with war looming on the horizon-- without their wards, they were open to attack, and they had few options that would let them repair the wards and still be prepared to fight.

Instead of risking the sect further, Lan Qiren had sent a messenger to the foot of Baoshan Sanren’s mountain. A stroke of luck had one of her disciples notice the courier and agree to carry it to their master. The response was swift and brief: Baoshan Sanren would come to the Cloud Recesses for her former friend, and to protect their sect until Lan Yi was well again.

If she woke again. Lan Wangji had his doubts; he’d seen his ancestor’s place of rest, a stasis of some sort that kept her suspended in unconsciousness.

A sudden warm wind ruffled the trees and sent a shower of leaves raining down on the path, concealing the bend just outside of the gates where the sect disciples waited. They spun in a loose whirlwind made up of a myriad of reds and oranges and yellows that marked the change of season.

The breeze died down, releasing the leaves with a sigh so they spread into a carpet of color along the wide dirt trail. And in their place a soft golden light glowed as though the sun itself had risen in the curve of the path, ascending solely to deliver the woman who stepped out of the light.

Two tall, slender shadows flanked her, gliding serenely out of the light as though it were perfectly normal for nature to bend itself to their master. Lan Wangji focused on Baoshan Sanren but studied her companions-- disciples, perhaps?-- out of the corner of his eye.

The man on the left wore white robes and a lovely, glittering sword on his back. He was very handsome, Lan Wangji thought uncomfortably, and turned his attention instead to the other disciple, who wore all black with little flares of red at his waist, his hair.

A dizi was shoved haphazardly in his belt and his sword gripped loosely in one hand. Lan Wangji let his gaze travel from the disciple’s waist to his shoulder and finally his face, and felt his stomach drop to his feet.

This disciple-- this boy-- was as beautiful as the other, only this one was grinning widely at him as their respective master and sect leader exchanged greetings.

“--two of my disciples,” Baoshan Sanren was saying, and Lan Wangji tore his eyes away from the boy and tuned back into the conversation before he missed something important. “Xiao Xingchen and Wei Wuxian.”

Wei Wuxian bounced in place on his toes, seemingly unable to hold still. He peered curiously around and Lan Zhan had to resist the urge to tell him not to touch when he leaned in to inspect the temporary wards they’d erected.

“Shifu,” Wei Wuxian said after a moment. Baoshan Sanren paused her interrogation about Lan Yi’s unexpected collapse and turned to him, eyebrows raised in question. He gestured to their perfectly functional wards and made a face. His master only nodded once in response, like they’d exchanged a dozen words instead of one.

Lan Wangji wanted to wipe the look off his face. His brother eyed him from the corner of his eye, probably the only one who noticed him bristling in reaction. It was enough to remind Lan Wangji to settle, to keep his composure even when this stupid, pretty boy whipped a small knife from his boot and started carving on their sect’s stone gate like a disrespectful heathen.

His uncle remained silent, though he also scowled minutely at the faint scratching noises.

“Wei Wuxian is especially talented with wards,” Xiao Xingchen said smoothly, stepping forward to draw their attention away from his sect brother. “He is adding to yours so that when we add our own power, it will ensure the Cloud Recesses is wholly protected until we can revive your ancestor.”

“Lan Yi must have tied herself to the external wards somehow,” Baoshan Sanren said, peering over Wei Wuxian’s shoulder as he worked. She sighed. “She never did know when to quit.”

Lan Qiren frowned. “Why would she do such a thing? It took all of her power to contain the…” he paused, and turned to shoo his disciples up the hill. He waited until the last one was out of sight to continue. “The Iron.”

“My guess? It was either an accident, or something made her try to expand her protection past the cave. Speaking of which…”

“We will take you,” Lan Xichen said with a smile, holding out his arm as if to help her up the steep hill.

“Such a polite young man,” Baoshan Sanren said, patting him on the arm. ”A-Xian, pay attention, you could learn a thing or two from these Twin Jades.”

“Hey!”

Baoshan Sanren ignored him. “Zewu-Jun, is it? You are far too young and handsome to be stuck with an old woman.” She sent a sideways look at Xiao Xingchen, a wicked grin of amusement passing across her face almost too fast to track. “But perhaps my disciple would appreciate a tour?”

Xiao Xingchen, Lan Wangji noticed, flushed pink to the roots of his hair and said nothing until a bemused Lan Xichen turned to him instead. He hurriedly schooled his expression and gave a regal nod of agreement, allowing Lan Xichen to lead him into the Cloud Recesses.

Wei Wuxian snickered under his breath, right up until his master added, “Lan Wangji, would you mind assisting my remaining disciple? He is somewhat of a trouble magnet.”

“Shifu!” Wei Wuxian said indignantly.

Lan Wangji very much minded, but he doubted there was a cultivator alive who could say no to Baoshan Sanren. “Of course, daozhang.” He saluted, careful not to let his resentment show. He didn’t want to be stuck with a troublemaking guest disciple with sparkling gray eyes and a teasing grin, but perhaps it was better that someone kept an eye on him.

“Good boy.” Lan Wangji blinked, surprised at the warmth her praise brought. “Now, Lan Qiren, why don’t you take me to my old friend? It’s time we had another talk about her reckless behavior.”

Lan Wangji frowned after them.

“Don’t take her seriously,” Wei Wuxian said without looking up, the tip of his tongue peeking out of the corner of his mouth as he worked diligently on the wards. “She and Lan Yi were like… together all those years back. Or almost together; none of us can get a straight answer out of her, no matter how much we hound her about it.”

Now Lan Wangji frowned down at him. “You should not annoy your Master.”

“Why not?” Wei Wuxian chirped. “It’s fun.”

“Fun,” Lan Wangji repeated, appalled.

“Yeah,” Wei Wuxian agreed. “Sometimes she just threatens to toss us off the top of the mountain, but occasionally we can badger her into sharing a story or two.”

Lan Wangji had no idea what to say to that. He settled for vaguely disapproving silence to cover up his complete bafflement. Baoshan Sanren was nothing like he’d expected, her disciples even less so.

“There,” Wei Wuxian said, satisfied, and stood gracefully. Lan Wangji felt the sudden hum of increased spiritual energy from whatever changes he’d made.

“Did you add your own power to the wards?”

“Hm? Oh, no. Not yet. Shifu wants to determine whether we should focus our own power on defending the cave; otherwise we might be too spread thin, in case something were to happen.” Wei Wuxian twirled around to face him, head cocked with curious eyes. “Do you think something will happen?”

Lan Wangji paused. He knew, obviously, that Baoshan Sanren and her disciples were secluded on their mountain. They were removed from mortal, earthly affairs, so of course they didn’t know of Wen Ruohan’s bloodstained rise to power.

And yet it still took him by surprise that they weren’t aware of the monster in the west, the armies he was amassing or the awful tension of waiting for the storm to break. But they had nothing to fear. Nothing to lose. Wen Ruohan couldn’t touch them, couldn’t break them the way he could the other great sects.

“Yes,” Lan Wangji admitted. He’d been included in enough discussions with his brother and uncle to know that war was only a matter of time.

“I guess it’s a good thing we came, then!” Wei Wuxian said cheerfully. “Hey, do you have any of that Emperor’s Smile here? We passed it on the way up the mountain; I’m thirsty after all that work!”

Lan Wangji frowned deeply at him and pointed to the wall of Lan Sect rules. Wei Wuxian’s eyes went wide at the sight of it. “Alcohol is forbidden in the Cloud Recesses.”

“Aiya, what’s not forbidden in the Cloud Recesses?” He asked, hands on his hips as he leaned back to find the top of the wall, so playfully theatrical about it he nearly toppled over backwards.

“Silence,” Lan Wangji said stiffly. “Thinking before you speak.” He gave Wei Wuxian a pointed look, and despaired when it only made him throw back his head and laugh.

“Alright, alright. I’ll behave.” Lan Wangji doubted that very much. “Let’s go find the others before all these rules make me break out in hives.” Wei Wuxian shuddered dramatically and eyed the wall of rules like they were contagious.

Lan Wangji could think of several that would improve Wei Wuxian’s personality. Most of them were the ones about silence and not touching things that did not belong to you. Such as other people.

He turned on his heel and started up the path with Wei Wuxian on his heels. Lan Wangji’s gaze caught on Do not lust after others, and he looked away quickly, pretending he couldn't feel the burning heat in his ears.

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amedetoiles · 4 years

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*chin hands* so what if bby wwx developed his habit of asking/whining for affection from Shijie bc!! Loving attention!! But it also gives Yanli an excuse to subtly baby/spoil jiang cheng alongside him and wwx uses himself as a buffer if the parents ever make a fuss over it (thanks madam yu, thanks jfm)

Jiang Yanli and Wei Wuxian definitely do band together under their shared belief that Jiang Cheng is just their Baby. Wei Wuxian learns how to be an elder sibling from Jiang Yanli. He learns how to care for Jiang Cheng as an older brother, and it’s clear that that role and that dynamic is important to them both. Even if Jiang Cheng never mentions it, even if Wei Wuxian uses it as a way to tease, even if their interactions dissolve often into childish bickering. Wei Wuxian is still very elder sibling, and Jiang Cheng is still very Baby. I can definitely see Jiang Yanli and Wei Wuxian both endeavoring to cheer up Jiang Cheng after every upsetting interaction he’s had with either of his parents. He is stupidly easy to make happy again – all they had to do was love him.

Although I don’t think Jiang Yanli really needs an excuse to spoil her two little brothers. I think she indulges and dotes on them both in the ways they both need regardless of Madam Yu and Jiang Fengmian. With Wei Wuxian, she is physically affectionate. She brushes his hair, boops his nose, and he lights up like a sun. Wei Wuxian, with his low self-worth, who has a difficult believing he has any right to be loved, and who is told constantly by Madam Yu that he is not family, has a shijie who treats him unequivocally like a little brother. With Jiang Cheng, she gives him her absolute faith and quiet support. She lets him go on his running-after-Wei-Wuxian missions with a smile and a bring him back to us. Jiang Cheng, whom Jiang Fengmian never acknowledges, who wants to be strong, to be good enough, has a sister who depends on him and believes in his abilities and his strength with absolute certainty that he will succeed.

You can see how in many ways Wei Wuxian also follows Jiang Yanli’s example of showing his love in the same way, by doing what (he thinks) Jiang Cheng needs. He makes sure Jiang Cheng has fun. He includes Jiang Cheng in his socializing. He comes back with a speared fish that he riles up and teases Jiang Cheng into accepting because he knows Jiang Cheng will never ask. This, of course, does get Wei Wuxian into significant trouble later when he, while traumatized and grieving and shouldered with guilt he should never have had to bear, goes much too far in giving Jiang Cheng what he “needs.” But this is what Wei Wuxian has done for his entire life since coming to Lotus Pier, and for him, it is as easy, as natural as breathing. And it damns them all.

#the untamed #mdzs #wei wuxian #jiang cheng #jiang yanli #yunmeng sibs #mdzs meta #陈情令 #it's a story about love and the monsters it makes of them all #i do think jc spends much more time being a buffer between his parents and his siblings #definitely between his parents and wwx #he has spent the majority of his childhood reading his mother's moods #and knowing instinctively when he would need to put himself in between his mother and his brother #which is just Awful #so so so awful for a child to be put in this position #but also few things break my heart more than the way wwx shoots up from his seat #with the blankest expression of complete and utter obedience when madam yu arrives #for that one awful meal together #they're all traumatized kids who deserved so much better #[ ask eve ]#thecookiemonster77 #sorry for the delay #i'm slowly getting through all my asks

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crossdressingdeath · 3 years

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I think that the evidence that jfm favours wwx are small parts of the novel like when wwx arrives to lp jfm takes jc's dogs (of course that was the best action to take but kids are selfish by nature) and later jfm hugs wwx or something that shows affection and that's why jc gets angry and kick wwx out of his room, later we have jc saying that jfm is always harsh with him than wwx bc he has the temper of his mother. the true is that jfm would sacrifice wwx for the sake of his family but jfm is kind to him and treated him well not as a other servants so this kindness is enhance by yzy beliving that wwx is only to be a reminder that another woman was better than her in everything including having a better son and by jc who believes he deserves everything and his father should be do and give everything to him and he shouldn't share anything with wwx.

The thing is... none of those are signs of favouritism. Yes, JFM is kinder to WWX than he would be to servants, but that’s because WWX isn’t a servant. He’s JFM’s ward and head disciple. Of course JFM is going to be kinder to his ward, his best friends’ child, than he would be to a servant. YZY calling WWX a servant doesn’t make him an actual servant! Next, the dog thing. Okay, I don’t know if you’re a younger sibling but it’s like this: there’s a period where your older sibling gets to go to bed later than you and you are convinced that it’s because your parents love them and hate you. That is of course ridiculous, your sibling is older and so doesn’t need as much sleep, so they get a later bedtime. The love your parents have for the two of you and whether or not they love one of you more doesn’t factor into it. It’s about different requirements for different people and being treated differently based on your needs. That’s sort of what’s going on with JC’s puppies, except turned up to twelve or thirteen because one person has to lose in this situation and the needs and wants of the children involved are in direct opposition to each other. WWX needs those puppies gone. He will not be able to function with them around. JC will manage just fine without the puppies. It’s not about favouritism, it’s about JFM weighing the needs of the two people involved and finding that WWX’s simply hold more weight in this situation. JFM doesn’t love JC less because his whims are less important than WWX’s mental stability, any more than a child’s parents love them less because their older sibling gets to go to bed later. And as you get older you realise that love doesn’t factor into bedtimes as a general rule, which, credit to him, JC does seem to figure out. Note that after we move from him and WWX being nine to them being fifteen and older the puppies never come up again. Even JC realised that JFM taking the puppies he wanted away because WWX needed them gone wasn’t favouritism. Hell, even YZY realised it; she never brings them up either. And yes, JFM picks WWX up that one time and JC throws a temper tantrum about it and locks WWX out of his room, but remember: as far as we know JFM picked JC up more often than he picked WWX up. He picks WWX up once, and we know he picked JC up at least a few times. JC is actually in the lead there! And he picks WWX up while WWX is panicking because of the dogs, it’s not like he just scooped the kid up just for the sake of it. Not leaving a kid in easy reach of the animals terrifying him is just basic decency, honestly. So again: not favouritism.

And of course... even if they were signs of favouritism, that doesn’t change the fact that at the end of the day JFM unequivocally chooses JC. When he goes off to die he tells JC to take care of himself like a good father would. What does he tell WWX? To take care of JC. In CQL, to die for him. JC is the one who matters to him. JC is the one he’s thinking about. If he saw them as equal in his eyes he’d tell them to look after each other; if he favoured WWX he’d tell JC to look after WWX (which would actually be a really powerful scene if we were supposed to conclude that he really did prefer WWX all along and is frankly too obvious for a writer like MXTX to miss). JFM’s last scene blows any uncertainty as to who he favours out of the water: JC is his son and heir, WWX is JC’s guard. WWX doesn’t get a proper goodbye from the man who raised him and who he loved and respected above everyone but JYL, and JC does. That kind of makes it pretty obvious that JFM did not favour WWX.

#mdzs #cql #jiang fengmian #anon #asks

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winepresswrath · 4 years

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Do you know any ChengQing fics that address the fact that JC wanted WWX to leave WQ's family to die, and that he is very much not a zombie rights activist WRT WN? Or actually killed her family in novel verse but that may be too far lol. I'm 1000% here for ships with conflict but ngl most stuff I've seen seems to either have her brush it off or leave it as the most awkward elephant in the room lol. I just can't see her being okay with that just bc he's hot and has good fashion sense.

I haven’t read a lot of post canon chengqing fic! The premise of most of the aus I’ve read is that he changes his mind, or it never comes up in the first place, which is what gives them the chance to get together. If anyone else has recs, please let me know!

I think that while she’d probably have a lot of feelings about it- I definitely agree that it would not be something she’d be ok with on hotness grounds- I’m also not sure those feelings would be a straightforward condemnation. One of the things I like about them is that their starting moral positions are pretty similar. She also wants to protect her particular people before all else and is extremely devoted to her family! While she wavers in that conviction, it never extends to open rebellion or support for their enemies, which is what Mingjue is being so stubborn about. Of course Jiang Cheng is in a more powerful and autonomous position than she was, but I think based on the deal she struck with WRH- she’ll serve him loyally as he embarks on his genocidal conquest, including spying for him so he can locate essential resources that will make him basically invincible and running his supervisory office; in exchange no one touches the Dafan Wen- she has a pretty good understanding of why he might choose to prioritize the well being of his people over the well being of other people and she’s not wholly unsympathetic to that choice. She seems to basically respect his position and think he’s doing, if not the right thing, at least an understandable thing that is in line with his responsibilities. She has two separate opportunities to tell him about the core transfer and try to cash in on that favour, or ask him for help more generally and she pretty vehemently does the opposite of that. She tells him they’re even and strongly suggests that helping her entire family is impossible for him to do, before adding that she IS a Wen and will be sticking with her people (the same way, I think, he’d stick with his). When she asks him if he’d have helped I don’t think it’s because she thinks he’s a terrible person who would have ignored the obviously correct thing to do for petty reasons; I think she is pretty intimately aware of what it can mean for the choices of the aristocracy to trickle down to the people they’re responsible for, as evidenced by all the innocent people she is responsible for who are punished for her uncle’s choices (and arguably for her choices, that she made to protect them, it is always crying about Wen Qing times). And also because the Jin are sadistic assholes and the Nie are down with collective punishment and Xichen didn’t want to fight with Mingjue about it but that’s a side issue.

And in the end she does turn herself, her brother, and her people over to the Jin to save Wei Wuxian. She basically follows Jiang Cheng’s exact plan but two years later. Is it a rejection of her previous my-people-first-philosophy? An outgrowth of the fact that Wei Wuxian is one of her people now too, and she thinks the Wen are doomed but maybe they can still save him? She’s functionally trying to undo the sacrifice he made when he saved them, and tells him they should have died in the camps; I do not think that implies she thinks he owed it to them.

I personally actually do think he owed it to them, and also that Jiang Cheng owed them more help than he gave. In CQL trying to turn them over to save his brother is the most fucked up thing he does by far (and it’s very fucked up!), but I also think the peasants going to die for Wei Wuxian is bullshit and honestly prefer the novel on that point. Wen Qing and I are clearly not in agreement about ethics in feudalism, is what I’m getting at here. Anyway I’d love to read fic that gets into any of this and I turn anon’s request for recs over to you all.

#Wen Qing #Jiang Cheng #they’d shove each other into traffic for their brothers and I think that’s beautiful #they’d shove a lot of other people in after each other and that’s less beautiful but still I think good #for me #not like #morally #anyway there is also something there about how her journey is pretty explicitly away from their mutual starting point!#she keeps on running into people she really wants to help #she says no #Wen Ning drags her into helping anyway #and she is I think relieved to do it even as she’s pretty sure it’s the wrong thing to do #she loses everything #and then gives up the few small things she clawed back #including her little brother like would Yanli turn Jiang Cheng over to death for Wei Wuxian? I actually don’t think so #ahhhh Wen Qing man #she might actually be the best character

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time to clarify my personally cultivated (ha) MDZS/The Untamed timeline. which should be assumed to apply to most fics:

it’s mostly the book bc that’s what I read

BUT Wen Qing, Wen Ning, and Jiang Yanli were all at Cloud Recesses with the rest of them because a) what if female characters got more screentime and b) what if everyone was more or less friends-adjacent before they all went to war

HOWEVER there’s no Yin Iron plotline at all. the Wens were there on account of...probably still spying, and also Wen Ruohan was still playing slightly nice idk. Maybe he wanted Wen Qing to steal some texts from the Lan library

EDIT: Actually, it was definitely A Political Decision for GusuLan to invite summer guest disciples from a wide assortment of other sects, including the heirs to all the other Great Sects except QishanWen, even though Wen Chao (not heir, but direct lineage) seems to be of the right age. And it’s likewise A Political Decision for Wen Ruohan to send students from his clan anyway, daring the Lans to be so rude as to turn them away - but not his actual son(s), of course. Just the odd rural healer cousins. Mild espionage should be assumed as well, though maybe not theft of texts.

Also Edit: Realized belatedly that Wen Qing and Wen Ning being the weird rural healer cousins isn’t actually book!canon - but it is MY canon.

Wen Qing also still had to be WRH’s personal medic while he did Sketchy Dark Magic Shit - probably, yeah, demonic cultivation. Power-hungry asshole that he is. Maybe experimental curses? But in this house, we stan people just making bad or malicious decisions WITHOUT Evil(TM) Mcguffins to egg them along, thank you very much

except the Stygian Tiger Seal, wrought from the twisted iron of a sword imbued with a thousand-plus angry spirits found in the stomach of a raging turtle nearly-god. That can stay

demonic cultivator!Su She is also SO out, FUCK you for taking away from the tragedy of Wei Wuxian’s hubris and "you want a villain? FINE” phase that immediately goes wrong when he loses control. It is so much less interesting for him to be framed in any other way

while I’m intrigued by mixing the Yi City crew into the story pre-WWX’s death, I don’t really know how it works in the show and there’s also something achingly heartbreaking about the protagonists missing these characters by like...a hair, a single year at most of wandering in just the right direction, and because of that, missing them utterly

I don’t see why we can’t have a conversation about soulmates AND a blindfolded makeout session on Phoenix Mountain. Don’t be cowards

in fact, I cannot emphasize this enough: absolutely all sexual activity in the book is GONNA happen. And the loud public confession of love (and lust!) when held hostage at Guanyin Temple? You can pry that out of my cold undead hands

speaking of: blood pool corpses fuck yeah. I get why the show conflated the Nightless City and Burial Mounds confrontations but it’s actually MUCH worse if all the cultivators showed up 3 months later to kill 50-odd malnourished would-be farmers and watch Wei Wuxian explode half the Tiger Seal and consequently get torn to pieces by resentful energy and corpses. Though actually, definitely the only one who saw it close enough for any detail was Jiang Cheng, which is why he gets credited (he did Not Do It)

book canon re: break in time between Phoenix Mountain and Wen Qing coming for help. Also, no Wens at Phoenix Mountain

Edit 3: Apparently the show has ALL the Wen refugees at the Burial Mounds be from the Dafan branch, but mostly non-cultivators? That’s dumb. They’re a sad found family of the 50-odd people from the Qiongqi Pass work camp who thought the safest risk, upon being freed, was to clamber on three-to-a-horse and follow the Yiling Patriarch (and Wen Qing) to god knows where. Most probably ARE cultivators, though not of Wen clan itself and not, perhaps, particularly strong. But as prisoners they were specifically forbidden from using cultivation, so it must be an option

finally: we PROJECT A BIT ON STAN Jiang Yanli not cultivating because she had a chronic medical condition that either made her unable to safely practice or was only solved by some clever spiritual/medical fixed loop that channeled all her spiritual energy into keeping herself alive. Or both! I like a heart condition myself

#mdzs #the untamed #my fic #ALSO also (in tags bc more headcanon - well this is all headcanon but)#pre-wwx death lxc really was hte only one who knew lwj was in love with wwx #maybe jyl suspected? but everyone else was like 'that hanguang-jun is so stoic and righteous. wow he really hates the yiling patriarch'#lxc also Highkey suspected A-Yuan's origins but never asked bc plausible deniability #both jiang sibs knew their dumb brothers was head over heels for lwj even if their dumb brother didn't #man where the FUCK is an au where everything is canon-ish but without going to hell #and sometime probably shortly after jin ling's birth jyl and jc pull lwj aside for a Talk about the Consequences #of leading their brother on like this #zidian does not feature in this talk but it's implied in jyl's tone

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mew-oconnor · 3 years

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💘💤💐🚙 for wwx/jzx?

(these are all modern au, due to the road trip question)

💘 date:

they have a massive food and pollenator garden, including a lotus pond (with fencing around the whole thing to keep out both pests and children who might fall in the lotus pond). they consider spending the day tending the garden together to be a date. garden dates are almost always followed up with a joint shower, and then a relaxing evening in the jacuzzi if they can get away with it.

💤 napping:

wei wuxian’s sleep schedule is practically nonexistent, which means he really needs naps but still forgets to take them. jin zixuan isn’t much of a napper on his own, but he’s discovered that he can make wei wuxian nap by lying on top of him and making him stay still, and while there are other methods to make wei wuxian sleep for a bit (lots of heavy good food, a nice massage, sex, etc), simply lying down on him and latching on tight is by far the easiest and least obtrusive.

💐 family/kids:

listen. they both love kids and fatherhood. they’re constantly over at jiang yanli and luo qingyang’s house, spoiling jin ling rotten, and they also babysit for wei wuxian’s elderly neighbor’s grandson wen yuan whenever wen qing and wen ning can’t make it. so when a new daughter of jin guangshan surfaces, heavily pregnant, refusing to say who the baby’s father is, and looking to give up the baby, of course jin zixuan and wei wuxian are gonna jump through all the hoops they have to in order to adopt little jin rusong.

🚙 road trip:

so i have some Thoughts... mainly that a xuanxian road trip set before they adopt jin rusong would be a disaster.

first off, their car options are either jin zixuan’s mclaren 570s spider (and supercars and road trips do not and should not mix) or wei wuxian’s rusty, poorly-maintained antique cadillac that everyone agrees should’ve fallen apart by now but is somehow still refusing to go quietly into the automotive night (some claim it’s kept together by demonic car-tivation). jin zixuan probably ends up buying a whole new car just for the road trip (i’m thinking the audi a7 hybrid bc it’s still gotta be a luxury car to fit his tastes).

the second problem is that wei wuxian drives like traffic laws are the lan rules—they exist, and sometimes they make good points, but most of them are just arbitrary and begging to be broken. there’s a reason he’s banned from driving jin zixuan’s 570s spider unless it’s out on a track, and it’s bc jin zixuan recognizes that letting his boyfriend loose in a ground-bound rocket that tops out at 204 mph (328 km/h) when there’s other drivers around is a bad idea! jin zixuan is typically a much safer driver, but he’s also highly competitive and it doesn’t take much for wei wuxian to egg him into doing something stupid (both behind the wheel and in general).

problem number three: neither of them are very good at planning ahead. wei wuxian likes to wing things, and jin zixuan is used to everything falling into place around him due to his money, so they’re gonna try to stop somewhere for the night at like 10pm and realize the only hotel in town is completely full. they’re gonna get distracted by a “WORLD’S LARGEST CORN” statue and somehow end up 50 miles off course. they pass a camping store and decide to take a three day backpacking detour on a whim. they’re supposed to be driving to seattle and they end up at the grand canyon. it’s a mess.

(after they adopt jin rusong, they get much better at planning. you forget the diaper bag once, you never make that mistake again.)

#asks #anon #xuanxian #jin rusong is obsessed with his dads’ fast cars from a young age #they let him get into karting and things escalate from there #and that’s how i’m gonna sneak my indycar obsession into my mdzs obsession #jin rusong for roty 2038

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three--rings · 4 years

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tonyglowheart replied to your post “The Untamed Rewatch Eps 28-33 + 2”

the point re: raised in a culture that doesn't teach men they can't cry, tbh I'm not really sure that's the case. Now granted, I grew up in the US, so Asian-American culture might not be the exact same as what happens in Asia, but lowkey I get the sense from what my parents say sometimes that there IS the idea of "men don't cry." Now, I don't know how much of this is cultural at large and how much is just my parents' family. The point I do think might mitigate this tho is

I thiiink from what I know of funereal practices, it's expected and lauded to cry then? whereas I feel like in the US it's more like "men don't cry, period." I think for CQL tho, it might be more down to the target audience/genre. Of course, they made CQL more general-audience, but it still originates in danmei, which is more targeted towards a female audience. So maybe that's why? WWX does cry a lot more in CQL than he does in the novel, though, for whatever that means

So I really have no room to talk because my knowledge of Chinese culture is limited to like this fandom and random other bits of media, so literally what do I know. And my knowledge of Asian-American culture, though part of my family is Taiwanese, is very Americanized. However there definitely seems to be a very big difference in the attitudes towards masculinity, including this seeming greater acceptance of men crying and showing emotion. Whatever issues there are around masculinity they seem to definitely be DIFFERENT from American toxic masculinity. Still granted that the audience is female and all, the show seems to be quite mainstream. Whereas in US culture even things aimed at women seem to often be some of the biggest enforcers of the rugged masculine tough guy stereotype. I don’t know, it’s one of the things that really fascinates me and which I enjoy about being in international fandoms is taking an outsider peek into different societies and noting differences and similarities. But I come from a social scientist background, so naturally...

and yeah the rest of the Wens... is an inconsistency. The way I kind of figure it to try to make sense is... they.. went down the mountain with Wen Ning & Wen Qing for moral support...? but didn't go all the way to Nightless City? bc we only see WQ & WN walking up there. I guess they went back and captured the rest of the Wens and murdered them, which might be why A-Yuan was left, since they were expecting to come back...?? except that doesn't make sense either lol...

Actually, no, the Wens DO go to Nightless City with WQ and WN in CQL. They are at the base of the stairs when those two climb them and turn themselves in. Which makes NO SENSE ACTUALLY, because part of the reason Wen Qing and Wen Ning are willing to turn themselves in for a death sentence is to protect the rest of their clan and WWX. They don’t make it clear in CQL but the burial mounds protect them from attack and that’s why WWX has to stay there to keep them all from being killed. They are offered the deal that if those two turn themselves in, that’s the end of it. So I guess the idea is that all the Wens left and went for moral support? But then WN became violent (supposedly), killed some Jins and so they were all killed. That last part is hurried past in CQL but the story put out by the Jins is that WN went nuts and killed a bunch of Jins when he turned himself in so that’s why they have to hunt down the rest of the Wens and WWX. Of course all the witnesses to that are dead or lying (JGY). I assume JGY and JGS took the opportunity to kill off some inconvenient family or sect members?

ANYWAY, yeah it just bothers me because it’s a sloppy way to hurry through that resolution that doesn’t hold up to logic. It’s the kind of thing that is annoying to serious fans and probably not noticed by most casual fans, except Mr. Rings totally pointed it out. But it does support why WWX would be ready to jump off the cliff because he’s failed at protecting anyone by that point and just ruined his entire life and gotten a bunch of his loved ones killed and damn he has it fucking rough. I can’t stop thinking of that “Then God said let’s not give this bitch a break” meme over his picture.

#tonyglowheart #replies #the untamed #mdzs

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FiLwL(A) is my 3zun cinderella which is actually just about the importance of qin su and also reuniting with your exes. Here’s my behind the scenes/notes/lore for chapters 9-11.

ch 9: nie mingjue being hot

i wrote this before i’d even written the Murder in ch 6;;;;; i just love nie mingjue

i so deeply believe in nie mingjue being smart and able to see through meng yao because he’s straightforward and strategic.

“hmm” i said to myself. “how do i write the bois getting together??” after much thought i decided on “by stabbing one of them a bunch”

bits of this are still funny to me. rip meng yao sometimes you gotta be up close and personal with a hot dude’s bare sweaty chest

also my version of “romantic and sensual” is just “doing math and deciding yeah, against your better judgement, you’re gonna smooch” because i love an overthinking murder twink

“on the bright side, the late-night guest was not jin guangshan’s type. unfortunately he was exactly meng yao’s type: nie mingjue” i can’t believe i let myself write this, bc it feels way too modern, but also the tone of this fic is just sarcastic enough that modern grouchy shit works

ever since i discovered that camel was a delicacy in tang china i became OBSESSED with it. i nearly included it in ‘i have always loved the door’ and it makes an appearance in ‘blood in the cut’

the guan reappears!! or at least is mentioned.in case u forgot it from chapter 1 it is Definitely Not A Glass Slipper Or Anything

“i love ruining a twink’s life” i said in the author’s notes. i was not lying. my hobbies are making nie mingjue look cool and making jin guangyao suffer.

“xichen was disappointed when he didn’t see you there” “and you of course, weren’t” “on the contrary i was happy to see you” is one of the exchanges that was like. core to this fic. similar to “i met someone” “i don’t know what you want me to say to that” “neither do i”

when outlining fics i tend to include some key dialogue/exchanges that strike me as the Mood TM and half the time these exchanges go through incredible rewrites or just get deleted, but it’s always nice to see them survive

the xiangqi was so much fun to write, not bc i have played the game a bunch (i haven’t) but bc it gave me a fun way to talk about the conversation without talking about the conversation.

“a controlled leak qould have been very useful” makes me so happy it’s such a MOOD and nie mingjue immediately going heart-eyes over it is complete wish fulfillment. when will a hot sword lesbian be enamored over my ruthless scheming???? im taking sword lesbian gf applications over in my ask box

“But it hadn’t been easy” this paragraph originally included “Nie Mingjue had broadened his moral compass, and Meng Yao had learned to trust” or something but i couldn’t really figure out how meng yao would describe his own personal growth since he left qinghe. like he DID grow he DID learn that he can trust the people he loves to trust him and that it’s worth bringing people in on your schemes and plans.... but he’s too dumb to describe this.

the xiyao troll’s comment on this was “LMFAO that oocness from both meng yao and nmj where nmj is suddenly JGY levels of cunning and JGY is dumb enough to make mistakes XD”

this has stuck with me so hard

how do you read Falling in Love with Love and only discover after 16k words that i think meng yao makes mistakes?????

how do u consume any adaptation of mdzs and think that nmj isn’t smart enough to go “huh that cunning twink who is absolutely mooning over me and xichen and also plays weiqi like my old buddy seems REAL FUCKING FAMILIAR” nmj canonically sees thru jgy machinations all the time

anyway i love nmj and the xiyao troll

did you know there’s an exchange to celebrate the troll’s works??? i discovered it after signups closed but im going to enjoy reading all of them

ch 10: and with very little trouble

this took me like a month to write oops but that’s just because a lot has to happen

the opening where meng yao is being mean to qin su was so hard to write. meng yao getting overworked?? fine. meng yao getting abused??? cool. meng yao being slightly short with his sister, who is in no way hurt by this bc she can tell it’s not about her??? HORRIBLE!!!

the detective scene happened. there’s not a lot to say about it, i don’t think, except to note that han meilin did try to stand up for qin su

ch 11: impossible things are happening every day

cinderella time mother fuckers!!! this is another one that took time!!

ch 10 took time bc i wasn’t 100% sure how it would play out

this took time bc even though i knew exactly what would happen and how, it has to be Real Good, y’know? it’s tying up the entire fic. if these 2k words don’t work, then the rest of the fic will feel less good and ppl won’t come back to it

(please everyone come back to this over and over if only to laugh at my obvious qin su agenda)

qin su and meng yao fighting over who gets to take the fall for their joint murder. i love them.

i wasn’t planning for this fic to start the sunshot campaign but here we are. in the war.

How did this version of the sunshot campaign go? Well. not good. because someone has no reason to invent necromancy. But not as poorly as you’d think. Jiang Sect isn’t destroyed, and the Cloud Recesses are functional (although not at full capacity), so they have more strength on hand. Plus, Meng Yao encouraged Koi Tower to funnel money and resources into the Qin Sect, specifically so if the war started before he expected it to (whoops!!! it did!!!!), those resources would be somewhere he could encourage to fight.

on the one hand, the sunshot campaign’s territory is divided in half by the wens. on the other hand, that means the wens are fighting on both the northern and southern border (since, again, jiang sect is still alive)

anyway i’d say it’s a more steady war, as opposed to my recollection of canon where like. everyone’s fucking miserable until our sexy goth boi comes out with his corpses and wrecks shop.

then han meilin and qin su look at their families and say “if you do not let us marry right now in a way that combines our sects equally...... we will just do it anyway.”

(meng yao in the background, holding a thin knife: fucking try me. try me. i want you to be mean to my sister just so i can stab you with my knives.)

anyway it’s time for the epilogue where meng yao is vice general and there is no more wen sect

(have i thought about the dafan wens in this ‘verse? no. i probably should not, either, as wwx would be less ride-or-die for them and that means maybe wen qing and wen ning would die in a war camp)

never mind!!! happy thoughts only!!!! like how qin su and meng yao are getting ready to kill again bc they are the bi crime sibling club!!!!

jin zixuan is invited to family brunch but he’s never invited to bi crime sibling club because qin su and meng yao refuse to let him lose his innocence.

“ge, jie, i’m married with children, i don’t have any innocence to lose--” “oh didi, precious baby, our infant brother, shining beacon of our heart...”

mo xuanyu is also forbidden from joining bi crime club. he’s too baby.

they do discover other jin bastards and invite them to lunch and sure, there might eventually be another bi criminal.

3zun visits each other in 2 month chunks, with one to two month breaks as needed. so the epilogue is the beginning of 2 months hanging out in meng yao’s house, and then later in the year they’ll hang out in the cloud recesses or whatever

qin su and meng yao both have secret lists of places to acquire babies for each other. han meilin knows about both of these lists and laughs every time she sees the same orphanages on both lists.

the final comment from the xiyao troll on this was: “Interesting choice to write a bland ooc AU, but I guess this is all you can manage with your writing skill. ;) This way you don't have to worry about JGY lying to Xichen for years, murdering NMJ, attempting to murder Xichen's family in the second siege, stealing secrets from the Lan sect, corrupting a healing song Xichen trusted him with, and fully betraying LXC's and NMJ's trust.”

like. yeah. of course i sidestepped the bad things. that’s what a fix-it au is for. it’s where i say “here’s an alternate universe, where certain bad things do not happen.” it’s where i say “if meng yao had always had qin su around to counteract the messaging his mother gave him, he might not have gone so far in his quest for power”. duh.

also like kiddo, troll, friend. the pitch for this fic is “cinderella except with murder and qin su rights”. i’ve been clear from the top that this is an Indulgent Fic with No Pretenses of Quality. im proud of some sentences and passages, but this ain’t Blood In The Cut where im tryna Say something or either of my jiang cheng-centric fics where im focusing on good characterization.

it’s a cozy murder where qin su gets to live and have a cool wife

#behind the scenes #my fic #falling in love with love

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