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mallowstep · 3 years

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If Tadpole had lived Sasha wouldn’t have had run to Riverclan. The only reason she went was because one of her kits had died and she was like “I can’t let that happen again, they would be safer in a clan.” So Tadpole lives. Would this lead to Loner!Moth and Hawk/Tadpole with Sasha? Or what if he lived and Sasha didn’t find them? Three kits lots in twoleg place. Maybe they are found by the remnants of Bloodclan. Or maybe a cat with knowledge of the clans takes pity and brings them to Thunderclan or Windclan. Imagine Moth and Leafkit playing together. Imagine Hawkpaw and Tadpole (Frogpaw? Darkpaw?) fighting over Squirrelpaw’s attention.

dfsklj love all of u anons providing me crucial sasha backstory...i only know her from a shadow in riverclan. i did know that she wanted them in a clan for safety, did not really remember how that worked out w tadpole. it's been a while and i don't usually reread warriors books.

like i buy the kindle versions? because while i'm fine w/ pirating them the graphic novels especially i need the kindle version with their focus mode for graphic novels. i have a really hard time reading graphic novels the way they're "intended" to be read. i do it for ones i love, but it's hard.

uhh so anyway i think realistically it would lead to a loner au, which is why i initially was like "this is a boring au," because i figured they either didn't get up to much villainry or were just loners.

also i think i'd keep tadpolepaw? sure it's a bit wordy but i like it. it's cute. maybe he'd get the option to change it to frogpaw/frog-suffix? i think maybe. leopardstar doesn't seem like the type tho.

if a clan found them...windclan prob wouldn't bc iirc they don't share a border w/ the twoleg place? someone can feel free to lemme know if i'm wrong again i do not have that much knowledge of this, i only know it through how it affects mothwing (my beloved)

anyway!

okay first of all! people can't keep giving me cursed!au ideas by which i mean, i have a squirrelash au already and now? someone is suggesting a hawksquirrel au? whatever will i do w/ y'all?

(jkjkjk my true squirrelflight ship is squirrelflight/self-love, but i do actually really like squirrelash? obviously not canon ashfur, but the ashfur we thought he was pre-po3. bc well? that was the only ashfur i had for a long time i've talked about this before anyway off topic.)

right! i like the idea of them being thunderclan, but i also...uh, at least internally, i think mothwing being in riverclan is important for her character. and hawkfrost's. because of tadpole.

but then tadpole lives, so it's like...i don't know?

one thing is for sure: if they go to thunderclan, there's a medicine cat issue but wait! idea.

okay, so. mothpaw trains as a warrior. she is beautiful and strong, and replaces (or joins) sorreltail in leafpaw's beautiful she-cat crush.

(idk there's something distinctly adolescent and cute to me about the way young teens have all of these wild crushes on everyone. fuck, i had a crush on my colorguard instructor because...of no reason? i'm not even attracted to like? anyway.)

so then! when leafpaw gets taken, mothpaw becomes a medicine cat apprentice. someone has to, and she wants to and maybe, like, maybe leafpaw gets stuck w/ greystripe?

yeahh right. so then they're reunited much time later, and leafpaw has maybe started going by leaf at this point bc it's been like, a year or more, and she's been a loner longer than she was a clan cat. i don't know, i don't really know what happens in the greystripe graphic novel. or super edition. have i talked about my really weird mandela effect with greystripe's super edition?

anyway so yeah! mothwing is a med cat and i don't think i could resist the urge to name her mothpool...y'all don't even know how hard it was to stop myself from doing that in stoalg, i wanted to so bad, but it's literally the ship name, but i couldn't.

i don't think i'm strong enough to do it twice.

right anyway they're very gay and they become two gay wives taking care of the clan.

MEANWHILE.

tadpole and hawk are closer to, like, sorrelpaw, rainpaw, and sootpaw. like when leafpaw goes to the first gathering, mothwing's whole medicine cat drama comes up.

(i have a very clear memory of it because of the sheer number of times i've written a mothpool meet cute.)

so like! i don't know what they're up to? but hawk and bramble definitely have sons-of-tigerclaw drama that freaks firestar out. like a lot. like a lot a lot.

sandstorm: dear, they're not going to hurt you

firestar: but, i'm scared!

sandstorm: he's literally an apprentice

okay, maybe not that much. i'm being funny.

(also, fine, props to the beta editor for letting me use chat inside of a text post. i can do it in html which is markdown valid but you know fine.)

ahem. (the beta editor also doesn't let me preview so that's fucked.)

i do think! hawkfrost still deserves to be a villain. he's one of my favorite villains because he's just a bad guy.

(i haven't finished winds of change i'm a fast reader but i try to pace myself going through things no spoilers i've heard that he makes dad jokes tho? anyway until i finish it it's not canon on this blog.)

like, just like i like the fact that breezepelt is just an asshole! hawkfrost's actions far surpass what you could reasonably say is a response to circumstance.

i don't mean in a, "we can't justify his actions" way, i mean in a "there's not a rational argument that he would have done this if he wasn't just an evil guy."

right! but apparently tadpole is a protective big brother? is that correct? i have no fucking idea?

so tadpole. he's probably...he could be a prophecy cat? i like that a lot better than bramble. kick bramble out his arc finished in tpb anyway.

uhh yeah i don't know where to go with this i just riff off whatever y'all put in my inbox then save the tumblr posts to my "aus to write" folder

(hot tip! if you want to make sure i write an au, just put in an ask giving me a hypothetical about it bc once i start talking all my ideas get a little file where i put everything i want to one day write.)

#anon #ask #talk #mine #au talk #essay #long #tadpole lives au

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yarrowleef · 3 years

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Read Darkness Within all in one sitting last night and then passed out so here are my scattered thoughts i wrote down as i read, (afterthoughts in parenthesis)

Darkness Within Spoilers, obv

UGH GOD THE SECOND HAND EMBARRESMENT FROM SQUIRREL FAKE FLIRTING WITH ASHFUR IT HURTS

Just remembered Sandynose died and got a small boost of happiness (will Hawkwing and Plumwillow ever be allowed to talk again now? I mean probly not b/c they aren’t protags and non-protags don’t rly have friends but I can hope. Sorry, Hawkwhing and Plumwillow’s short-lived friendship in Hawkwings Journey was one of the last times I felt something)

Ghost fleas lol

Mothwing: i’m rude now. (but more importantly, Fuck Tigerheartstar for forcing his son to be around the cat that hurt him so badly, like he HAS to know how upset everyone is regarding Shadowsight and his accidentally helping the imposter, and he’s making him be the sole one to tend to him??? There is NO REASON Puddleshine couldn’t have done it. You think Puddleshine is going to try and murder someone?? )

Oh no don't make this a traveling book, and a ROOTBRISTLE traveling book this is going to be insufferable

BACON AND EGGS

Lightleap Is Good (Hey didn’t Shadowsight have another sister? lets be real we all knew Pouncekit was going to end up as the forgettable 3rd one)

Bristlefrost’s crush continues to feel unnatural to me. It’s like she’s grasping at straws romanticizing the most generic things.....wow....I love how ur just so...bare minimum competent....being polite to the loner we came all this way to ask for help like any somewhat reasonable person would....How admirable...I love the way you just *clenches fist* exhibit some basic traits of loyalty and skill that literally every warrior has (I s2g I’m this close to head canon-ing Bristle as a clueless aromantic who doesn't understand what romance is actually suppose to feel like so she just looks at feelings of low-bar admiration and assumes “oh I guess this is that “romantic attraction” everyone’s always talking about? guess I must be in love???” because both her crushes have felt out of nowhere and like. Idk fake/forced sounding like she’s just telling me that that she’s In Love Now while I continue to not actually feel it at all from her end. I know it’s just that I hate the way Erin’s write female characters in love but this head-canon makes me laugh)

Got scared because I thought they were going to villainize Spotfur for not wanting kits for a minute, but also excited at the concept of maybe exploring a female character that doesn’t want to be a mother, but it turns out she was just pulling a Sparkpelt and actually DID want the kits all along and was only hesitant because she’s sad. Shrug oh well. (the only female character in warriors that was distinctly upset about pregnancy and motherhood was Lizardstripe and as we all know she was eeeeeevil and abusive and “overly ambitious” because why else would you not come around to being happy about motherhood?? YES I’M STILL SALTY ABOUT YELLOWFANG’S SECRET, BAD BOOK) Whatever it’s fine so long as Spot doesn’t lose her rebel leader spirit forever and default to “soft mom” personality for the rest of her life, I gotta have hope because I actually like Bristle and Spot’s current relationship. Also I am actually very grateful they never made Bristle resentful at Spot for getting with her crush, as lots of middle grade/YA media has a very bad habit of demonizing female romantic “competition” and its super gross, so I rly do like that Bristlefrost is so protective and caring towards her instead. )

This series is trying to tell me that Rootspring is actually Big but I refuse to accept that. he has dumb scrawny bitch energy and we all know it

Sunrise: “Thunderclan may be better with a new leader” lol go off (i mean........they right tho...It’s unfortunate that the tension in this whole plot is a bit dampened by the fact that i DO in fact want bramble to die v badly. I don’t even have special hatred for him, I’m just bored of him.)

Yes Lionblaze beat the shit out of Ashfur

*HOLY SHIT THAT’S FUCKED!!!! (I wrote this in reference to the ghost summoning scene, this was all I could manage at the time, that scene was WILD and I am VIBING WITH THE HORROR OF IT ALL)

* Brashfur: Oh yeah? Could Ashfur fake THIS? *stands up with slightly better posture* Shadowsight: oh damn you got me there...... (asdfhhfhhgh im sorry that was really funny, how did that prove anything?? ONLY A ~REAL~ WARRIOR COULD STAND UP STRAIGHT WE ALL KNOW ASHFUR IS INCAPABLE OF GOOD POSTURE!)

End of the book: *LAUGHING NERVOUSLY* WHAT THE FUCK??? (I thought he was just gonna kill Squirrelflight right there holy shit can you imagine the RIOTS that would ensue in the wake of all this Squirrel/Bramble discourse I was so scared for a second.

But it’s fine, she just....went to super hell instead......Warriors has come so far lmao WHAT IS HAPPENING

Final Notes:

*On Mothwing, I don’t think her behavior struck me as “CHARACTER BUTCHERING” as much as it did for other people? I mean.....Warriors fans will say that literally any time a character does ANYTHING less then perfectly nice I think her actions just seemed that much harsher because we are reading from Shadowsight’s POV, and Shadowsight is taking everything 10x more personally right now (understandably so, but Mothwing isn’t inside his head) she wasn’t trying to hurt him. Also... like... Shadowsight DID get his name too early. It’s not Mothwing’s job to put his feelings above everything else, she’s not even his mentor, Puddleshine on the other hand, as his main mentor, I don’t understand what his deal is ignoring Shadowsight, that’s not how you help an apprentice but I suppose I chalk many of his mistakes up to also not being the most experienced medicine cat (he barely even had his own mentor.) Maybe he’s distant because he feels guilty and actually blames himself for not guiding Shadowsight better?? the two of them haven’t communicated about it yet so idk

any way I give Mothwing a pass to be a little short tempered right now as a cat who has had her abilities periodically questioned all her life no matter how hard she works or how much experience she has, just because she doesn’t vibe with the spiritual cult side of the clans, I can understand why she’s a bit defensive of being questioned and frustrated watching so much hurt happen Yet Again due to reliance on StarClan visions over common sense, and I for one still stan her for slandering StarClan and refusing to accept Mistystar’s bullshit banishing like everyone else. Sometimes a character is at the end of their rope and can’t manage to be 100% nice 24/7 and that’s maybe not inherently bad writing? idk just my hot take. At a certain point we all gotta reckon with the fact that our perception of most popular supporting characters in heavily colored by fanon and we can’t always get mad at the authors for not adhering to it

*The sisters magic shit is my fav worldbuilding warriors has had in AGES, I love the way it’s described and it actually feels like it adds something to this world. I love this horror imagery with the ghosts, very excited for that.

*still won’t be thrilled if Ashfur is working alone, because his motive doesn’t make sense right now. I mean the trying to get Squilf thing, sure, whatever, but the “I will make everyone pay for what they did to me”???? cause like?? Who??? they didn’t do anything to him?? Ashfur’s grievance was very specifically JUST Squilf. He has no other cause for revenge, he had no other beef or complaints about the clans to my knowledge? The cat that killed him is dead, and she’s like, the only other one that I could see as having “wronged” him?? I guess he also didn’t like Firestar much according to Graystripe’s Vow (and on account of how willing he was to kill him w/ Hawkfrost) but Firestar is ALSO dead. I don’t understand his angle. Will have to see last 2 books to judge i suppose.

*All in all I am interested to see where this is going!! but also the pacing as I feared is becoming a major issue. It’s better then ending the main conflict on book 3 like Vision of Shadows did, but omg. Hardly anything happened in all these pages. I realized I was over half way through and nothing about the situation had actually CHANGED or advanced at all in all that time. Similar to the past 2 books which I believe could have been combined, this plot felt like it should have been the first half of a book. Discussing whether or not to kill the imposter isn’t much of a standalone plot, it’s just the set up to a plot. Finding the sisters didn’t need to be a whole long thing, the debates about the Imposters fate didn’t need to be repeated 10 times, all those chapters illustrating that “Shadowsight is sad” were also drawn out, repetitive, and interchangeable, we probably only needed 2 or so chapters showing his struggles to get the necessary information across. It felt like a lot of padding, it was really slow and I did a lot of skimming. I am still very interested in the overarching plot and mystery behind the ghosts so that kept me reading but man this “will they won’t they kill him” plot did not justify it’s own whole book. Alas this is a persisting issue that will never be resolved while they continue to force 6 books into 1 series that doesn’t need 6 books. I’m sure the writers are doing the best they can with these unfortunate constraints but still, it’s a wonder this slow padding isn’t more of a detriment to their younger readers that the books are supposed to be marketed to.

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scourge-sympathiser · 4 years

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[1/2] A wild concept 4 ur firelight AU (just for fun) Anyway, what if Firelight does break the code to have kits w/ Sandstorm (scandalous ik, but accidents happen) but they agree not to be mates and keep it hush-hush. Then Greystripe (a good friend™️) agrees to step in and pretend to be her mate since it’ll stop his clanmates from asking details about his own secret love life. So later when Silverstream passes, Greystripe is able to ... (cont.)

[2/2] ... give their kits to Sandstorm (who gives birth around the same time). And boom, now the angst of Greystripe and Firelight is x100 bc their kids are being raised together. Maybe ending in a sandstorm-firelight-greystripe ot3 after they slow burn style work thru their issues? (Ik this idea keeps greystripe in thunderclan, but I can’t bring myself to think of him as a riverclan cat - too much floof lol) Love ur blog, thx for reading all that!

this is a very bery different stroy from the “canon” firelight AU- in which sandstorm & firelight stay pretty strictly platonic- in part due to him being a medicine cat apprentice before their romance evr rly started ? which isnt 2 say it still couldnt happen but tht Unavailability doez sway thingz a little, their relationship also stayz a lot more.. aggressive? for lack of a better word??? like thy r a lot more Rude 2 eachothr a lot like how it waz before fireheart stopped sandpaw from going over a cliff... but itz waaaaaay more good natured

paradoxically i think it would actually lessen the angst- firepaw winding up in his own forbidden love mess & going 2 greystripe for help would begin bridging the gap between thm, & with silverstreamz death it would be enough for greystripe to be able to fully trust tht his friend wouldnt just let her die, like, in canon it waz letting silverstream go in tht fight on the moorz tht started repairing their friendship, in this, thm finding thmselvez in very similar situationz would take tht place.. maybe it would be rough at first bcuz greystripe is kinda a dipshit who shovez his own insecuritiez onto othrz n he would likely interpret firepawz confession as Hypocritical aftr he told greystripe seeing silverstream waz a bad idea but once he getz the beez outta his brain hez able 2 recognize just how much firepaw must trust him 2 make such a request n thy r able to start talking again tentatively n by the time silverstream is in labor their relationship haz been patched up qoute a lot & tht only continuez aftr her death- now being able to share with eachother the guilt thy bith feel over how thingz ended up

hell, u could spin this off into an AU where silverstream is just fine, this this would also end up differently seeing as like. she probably wantz 2 keep her kitz in riverclan, understandably... but thtz like a whole other big spin off thing [silverstream-sandstorm-firelight-greystripe big ole mostly forbidden love pile perhapz]

sandstorm is like fuckin! whoopz i guess!! time to think of a convincing excuse for me & this guy i bairly talk 2 except to insult him getting togther! but thy end up chatting a lot as greystripe spendz a great deal of time in the nursery n figuring out tht he isnt so bad.. seeing how much he adorez his own & how tht love spreadz to herz & firelightz… well it helpz get him on her good side 2 say the least

i think in this case greystripe would nevr leave thunderclan & fight for his kitz 2 stay there 2? idk not much haz changed in the text 2 prompt tht but i think itz more fun 2 change thingz thn keep thm the same so. feather & stone grow up thunderclan with their supposedly-half-siblingz-but-actually-just-adopted-siblingz squrriel & leaf !!! tho maybe leafkit would hav a different name seeing as she waz nammed aftr leafstar who she wouldnt hav met at this point....... yez i just like changing charcterz namez arbitrarily Wht Of It

also funny about this AU is tht i bet a TON of catz think greystripe is an TOTAL ASSHOLE 4 cheating on his pregnant mate with a cat from another clan… wht a scumbag…….. why is she still with him…………

but the idea of sandstorm & greystripe being Publically Matez well also secret dating firelight is pretty fun… especially bcuz those 2 r usually only paired togther whn firestar is also involved so itz sorta weird to imagine thm togther totally separately lmao

def a very different AU in the end! i think i personally still find the original more engaging but thnk u 4 sharing!!! this is a rly fun way 2 go with it as well!! haz promise as yet another spin off AU of wht is already sort of a spin off AU..... incredible

#askz #i atually typed most of this last night before sleeping but wanted 2 be able to reply with my computer #bcuz mobile tumblr can be a huge pain whn it comez 2 copying n pasting thingz lmao #Anonymous

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mallowstep · 3 years

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What are the general Windclan thoughts on Tallstar never taking a mate? Is it considered odd in their clan culture?

welllll.....the short answer is, it's complicated.

there are two parts to this, and i'm going to start with the easier one: is it odd not to take a mate?

to which the answer is, yes and no.

it's odd in the sense that it's atypical, but it's not odd in the sense that no one looks strangely at him for not taking a mate.

overall, windclan basically understands that tallstar has a Special Someone out there that's not a clan cat, and that's that.

now, the harder part to answer is not a question you asked, so much as one i feel like tossing in.

first, i want to say, part of this is because tallstar is a tom. mousefur of thunderclan, on the other hand, is considered much more atypical. this is for a few reasons, but the shortest one is: she's not odd for taking a mate, but rather for not having a litter.

since she-cats can have a litter without having a mate, they're generally assumed to have an interest in it. c'est la vie. my au is not a better world, just a different one.

second, it's time to acknowledge the difference between mates and nestmates. and by that i mean, i'm going to (partially) answer a question i've talked around more than once: what does it mean to be a gay cat?

well, briefly: imo, mates connote children. i'm going to differentiate now between mates and nestmates, which i wasn't doing previously. mates = pair of cats with children, nestmates = pair of cats who sleep together platonically.

these two relationships are not mutually exclusive, but they do tend to be different cats. nestmates are often a more important relationship, but not always. cloudtail & brightheart are a good example of being nestmates and mates, and...frankly in my opinion/headcanons/etc, greystripe & firestar are nestmates and firestar & sandstorm are mates.

this is not unique to clan culture, but part of being cat. neither of these relationships are strictly monogamous, either. but we're not going into full cat relationship dynamics or this post would never end.

so. if mates connote children, gay cats cannot be mates. (yes, i know i acknowledge adoption and therefore they could have children, but we're putting that to one side for the purposes of reducing the concept of mates and gay to their bare essentials. i'll talk about this when i'm done with that.)

but! there's a fundamental difference in the relationship between greystripe & firestar and tallstar & jake. any cat could easily see this, even if they couldn't describe it.

so that's usually how being gay realizes itself: best friends plus.

okay. now. there are two problems with this that i, a gay person, would like to resolve. i think leaving it here would be fine for world building purposes, but i'm not done. cats who have human level intelligence also have intelligence to sort out identity. kind of.

right, so the first problem is adoption, and yes! gay cats adopt kits regularly. while they don't often have surrogates, orphans and strays are often sent to a gay couple. this is a thing that happens in the wild.

single mothers who want their kits to have a father might lean on a gay couple to do so, and a single father will probably be close with the queen that nursed his kit, and the queen's wife.

(side note: while i wasn't raised exactly like this, nor do i want to talk about my personal life on this blog, but i was raised in a non-nuclear family, and i have only good things to say about it.)

so okay, that's cool. there's a route to becoming mates via kits. and with that in mind, we can return to calling gay cats mates since they can hypothetically have kits.

right?

well, maybe.

see, i don't think cats have a good concept of romance.

(cw: going to get...not graphic or detailed, but going to talk about some pg-13 related topics for a moment.)

okay, to summarize, in the briefest possible terms, i think because of the anatomy and nature of cats, it's important to assume/remember/understand that cats are not having sex for pleasure. especially gay couples.

now, i basically always never think about this because...i don't want to, no thank you, but i just wanted to point that out. so really, cats have a sexual relationship and a platonic one.

why? well, to ask a question my aro friend asked of me: what is romantic love?

i'm not going to answer that, but my point here loops around to: while there is a fundamental difference between romantic and platonic relationships, in the absence of sex, i can't imagine cats would develop a robust understanding of what that difference is.

BACK TO FAMILY FRIENDLY CONTENT

right, as i was saying.

to return to my grey&fire vs tall&jake comparison, with the understanding that cats don't have a concept of romance, cats are really going to struggle to name the difference, even if they know there is one.

attempt to, if you will, explain the difference between cuddling with friends and cuddling with a romantic partner. it's not easy, even if you know that there is one.

so okay, what are tall&jake? i will continue to call them mates, continue to tag it as tall/jake, and so on. however, from the perspective of cats, i'm not really sure how this would all be realized.

and this is a line that i draw in "what i write" and "what i think," because as a gay person, i don't want to do that to my bbies. i don't like it.

ANYWAY.

this was a lot, and to summarize: tallstar has jake, and it's really not unusual to take a mate outside your clan. so he's not considered terribly odd for that, no.

cats have a bigger...problem? with ace/aro indivudals.

#ask #anon #gay cat talk #windclan #essay #long #tallstar #jake #mine #txt

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