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#guys i. don't know what our fandom tag is to be honest. there's too many???
bowenoke · 14 days
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if you like florence + the machine and also kristen applebees and figueroth faeth. may i offer you cassandra
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clanofjones · 4 months
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MERRY (late) CHRISTMAS!
I started this on Chrismas Eve and I just finished it five minutes ago, but I think it's pretty good nonetheless! Quality got scrambled tho, so click for better quality LOL
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L to R: (I am sorry for the tag if you don't celebrate or didn't want to be in this, I will do my best to change it if that it the case)
@fanatess, @theosb0rnway, @3mutantsinatrenchcoat, @paytato435, @karonkar, me, @delicatechildwitch, @allyheart707, @friskebits, @zeawesomeness, @tinker-the-dragon, @yelenapines, @justletmereadmycomics
There are so many others I wanted to include, but my canvas is not that big! I love you all regardless!
For those pictured, I am feeling sentimental, so have a nice sentiment under the cut ^^
Fanatess: You are always super sweet to me, and you let me rant about silly tropes and fic ideas! Thank you so much. (Fun fact, I own the tree hat in the art, and it gives me 'you' vibes)
Oz: Oh my god, literally where to start. You are absolutely amazing, and I have to thank you so, so much for letting me rant about random crap, even if it makes no sense. You’re like. The best person I could have made an AU with.
Three: Gotta say, I don't really know you all that well, but what I do know is that you are so kind and awesome. Your asks always brighten my day, and it's always awesome to talk to you!
Payto: They say great minds think alike. Regarding Casey Junior, I think we might be thinking exactly the same. LOL. Thanks for letting me bounce ideas off of you regarding the best boy. We've taken over the "au-rant" channel and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Kar: You are like. SO COOL. I stand by that statement. You are one of the coolest people I’ve met online, and my brain straight-up short-circuits when I remember 'yes, we are friends with this guy, and this guy knows we exist. Holy shit.' Weird world, ammarite?
Me: SELF LOVE, you guys! If this many awesome people care about me, then I'm probably pretty awesome too, right? YAY! Friends!!
Ally: If our server had a yearbook, you’d win “kindest person” or whatever the actual title is. You get the point! You are always so kind and inspiring to me, and thank you for the extra encouragement to actually finish this!!
Del: You are so sweet and kind and creative it's unreal! It's been so fun so far getting to interact with you and I look forward to more of it in the New Year!
Frisk: Thanks for somehow always being there. Whenever I shove some janky art or concept into a server, you’re almost always the first one there with encouragement, a compliment, or something to add. Thanks for the extra encouragement on this thing's completion as well!!
Ze: I haven’t interacted with you much, but when I have, you have been nothing but nice and welcoming! If we’re being honest, I was pretty nervous but you’ve been super cool to me, and it means a lot!
Tinker: It’s always crazy when you share fandoms with the gang outside of The Main, Soul Encompassing One, and I find it so fun to have someone else to discuss them with! Hatchetfield and TMNT enjoyers unite! *high-fives you* You've also got such good takes!
Yelena: If not for you, I wouldn't be on Tumblr at all in the first place! For that, you've earned a place in my hall of fame. I know we don't talk often anymore, but it's always so exciting when I see you on my dash!
justletmereadmycomics: (slightly embarrassing, but I don't know a name to call you by ._.) You are one of my closest beloved mutuals! I have loved getting to know you, it always warms my heart whenever I see you in my activity! You are so funny and smart, keep just being you!
You're all so smart and creative, it bewilders me how we met in the first place! Either way, I'm so grateful for it, and I wish you all nothing but the best in the New Year!!
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scrawnytreedemon · 2 years
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Fairly often a post floats across my dash entreating viewers to reblog art or comment on fics. I completely get where this is coming from, and I have nothing against people longing for more engagement with their work. I'm a creative myself-- I get it.
But as a creative, also... It's never sat right with me.
I love it when people comment. I love it when people feel excited enough about my thing to put it on their blog. I love it when you guys share your thoughts and we end up having a dialogue; and I don't want any of that to be compulsory.
Even if it does nothing for exposure, I treasure those likes. I understand, as someone who takes pains to tag everything I pass along, and who also has my own content I could risk drowning out, that sometimes you just don't have the energy. And that's fine.
There's nothing wrong with lurking. It's wild to think about how many people there might be looking on at my work, in silence-- It may even possibly have affected them deeply, like @/ghirahimbo's Blind, But Not Now did me, and I'll never know.
And that's fine.
Yes, I put my work up for free... But I also get to put it up, for free. There's no obligation for you to do anything with that. It's your choice! Just like it was mine to post it. Ultimately, I'm happy with what I make, because I have a circle of friends who make me fulfilled-- Make it all worth it. An honest, intimate dialogue with one person will do more for me than any chorus of silent reblogs ever could.
And... look, I get it, I understand, but as someone who both creates and engages, people slapping on banners with "reblogs > likes" has never gotten me to reblog something I wouldn't have otherwise. It makes me feel the opposite. It's all too reminiscent of Youtubers yelling "Subscribe", of the internet at large demanding my engagement and my attention when I have so little to give already.
Believe me, I want fandom spaces to thrive again. But I don't think we'll achieve that by long guilt-tripping posts bemoaning our plight. That engagement has to be genuinely fostered, and part of that is the fact that socmed isn't especially accommodating of our craft; of the communities that spring up around it.
The line between creator and audience is one harsh, and I think indulging in this guilt-tripping tactic adds to it. We are creators whom you owe engagement to as payment for our hard work; not fellow members of the same community. You either give, or you take.
Is that really how we want it to be?
I myself try to engage wherever I can; contribute meaningfully, even if it's just some over-enthusiastic comment lifting a creator up. People appreciate that, and it makes me all the gladder. But this desire comes from me; yes, because I get it as a creator myself, but also because I'm angled like that. And, hey, it has its toll.
There's a reason I only read fanfiction every couple of months. I tend to sate myself pretty easily, and when I do go out, I want to engage as meaningfully as possible. And that's tiring. I love it... But it's tiring.
What good is it, to perpetuate such guilt?
Engagement is good, but it has to come from within. And, more than that, we need to be content with ourselves. The amount of massive artists who still feel shit about what they make, no matter the reception to it, should be more than enough proof.
I hope fandom gets better, I really do.
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brightorangetea · 8 months
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Dearest Tea:
Many times you've expressed fascination with the monstrously large fic himi and I are writing (made more monstrous in concept since she's writing in her second language.)
I saw your tag under a post asking for more weird asks, so I figured I would tell you about our silly little fic, here are a few highlights, and some out of context general facts.
For starters the word count on The Fic is but a scratch on the surface. There's thousands and thousands more words of world building, including alternate scenes we couldn't make up our mind on.
Without further ado:
Shura jumps out a multi story window. Her cockiness knows no bounds. This does not go well for her.
The ending involves somewhat secretive world domination. I also execute angel in great detail in front of a crowd.
We have many thousands of words intricately detailing a vampire biology that is joyfully and needlessly complex, to the point that I'll most likely write a guide that goes with the fic in lieu of figuring out how to work it all into the story. No other piece of vamp media EVER has as much detail as we do. Nothing else holds a candle to it in concept, there are a few similar fics, but none so long and detailed.
Toudou Saburota has 12 teeth pulled out in great detail, it is a scene I happen to be particularly proud of, and one of the first ones I wrote. Without further elaboration, Lucifer is the one who undertakes this task.
Renzou is still a conniving and backstabbing little shit. It bites him in the ass extremely thoroughly and he comes to regret his choices beyond comprehension (again, Lucifer adjacent statement).
Don't do drugs kids, or do, these guys certainly are. (Vampire blood is psychoactive in certain situations.)
Yuri's death is still fucked up, but Different, and death is never truly the end.
Running from apex predators is never a good idea. No one ever seems to learn this.
Egyn, Azazel, Beelzebub and Iblis are all OCs of himi's from before we knew what they were like in canon.
Blood. So much of it. Everywhere. (Obviously ✨).
Wish shiro lived? This is the fic for you!
Frustrated with Yukio and wish he had consequences for his actions? This is also the fic for you. I cannot express how much this applies, we took Get His Ass very seriously.
The genre could best be described as soft horror, or dark fluff. No idea what you know about the agere fic community, especially the non-con side of it. Know this part's kind of a bomb shell since we (said community) don't tend to surface in popular fandom very often or at all for obvious reasons, but figured I'd put it out there so you could back out before you get too invested if that's something you don't want to go near.
I can't think of anything else currently. Do with this information what you will, I like to share things and you expressed interest. I hope you enjoyed, or are at least more psyched to see what we're up to.
Sincerely and with friendship,
EyeballsToEntrails
To my friend EyeballsToEntrails, Thank you so much for the ask! It came at a time where I needed something interesting to read and you really delivered.
I have no idea what most of this means if I'm going to be honest, but as you already know, I'm not one to read tags or even read things in order, so as long as your fic stays as entertaining as these little snippets seem, I will still be looking forward to when you eventually finish and post. Thousands and thousands of words...damn
Sincerely,
Brightorangetea
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olderthannetfic · 2 years
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wow that's a lot fewer slurs-in-tags than I expected. I predicted there'd be at least a few hundred with how people were talking about it. I'm also surprised most of the ones with a negative context were sexuality-based. Maybe all the slur-users are from tiktok and censoring their harassment.
This gets pretty well into how banning language can often screw people over who use it as a self-descriptor or in a more general way. I mean, I don't want queer to be banned from the tags as a slur, y'know? I like calling characters queer because I am queer. And what about dyke? Is freak a slur? And don't think I don't notice how cunt or bitch aren't ever warned for even though there's a argument about them being gendered slurs in certain contexts. Not to mention the effect of adjectives, stick filthy in front of a ton of totally benign nouns for a marginalized group and it's pretty bad.
I dunno how'd we'd ban even the unambiguous slurs without getting rid of warnings for said slurs or giving people the ability to filter out works that do use those tags (which are probably just as slur-filled). And aren't slurs used in a specifically harassing context already against ao3's TOS? urhg it's complicated because I don't want to say there isn't a problem, but it feels more like a community issue than a structural one. Harassment is already banned, block/mute is on its way, banning specific words from tags won't work and cripple our ability to warn/filter for those slurs (not to mention what qualifies as a slur can be pretty ambiguous). People are the problem, either ignorant, where education is the answer and it's probably too subtle to properly regulate, or malicious, which intentional malice is very creative at circumventing rules like bans on words.
Of course there's also a possibility that with all the attention being given to it, the trolls will sense weakness and flood the tags with slurs.
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And with regards to 'cunt', how do we handle it being really fairly extreme in US English but not a big deal to other native speakers? (Personally, I like it. 'Pussy' is infantilizing, unhot drivel or a comedic mass noun.)
I'm not surprised there are few. The racism--actual racism--on AO3 has always been primarily in the form of indifference.
People often don't find ethnic minority characters sexually attractive, so they don't ship them or they occasionally write them as the emotional support boyfriend propping up the much more author-beloved other person. It's particularly stark when it comes to dark-skinned characters and characters seen as black in the US. Notice, I don't say this is primarily about "white" and "nonwhite" because fandom has zero problems being extremely horny for ethnic majority characters in their own country's media if that media is fantasy dramas from China or anime from Japan or something. This isn't just because of colorism (though that doesn't help). It's also about the subtleties of how media presents A Default Hero vs. An Othered Sidekick.
It's hard to fight indifference.
Each fic writer is just doing what they enjoy and probably hasn't done anything wrong individually. But the sum total of their lack of interest adds up to an AO3 that tells fans what the community values and does not value. I genuinely believe the sum total of that is alienating. People are being honest about how it affects them. But it's also hard to know how to combat that situation or those feelings because there isn't a clear bad guy who can be yelled at and told to shape up.
Many of the fights about "bad" content on AO3 really boil down to there not being enough "good" content or the "good" content getting buried while the "bad" content has eighty bajillion kudos. Slurs in tags are mostly a red herring.
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tenaflyviper · 3 years
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I might as well tell the whole story, for those who care, and just to get it off my chest. I'll tag it with "long post" so people can avoid it.
So...I unfollowed and quietly drifted from these guys around 5-6 years ago (by "these guys", I mean the ones that later started acting toxic. There are good folks mixed in with them, and yes--within them. I sometimes wonder if maybe covid hadn't happened, perhaps things would have been different. It fucked with all of our lives--made many folks anxious, pent up, frustrated, and depressed. Social media is also the worst place for anything political, especially when there's an unfair imbalance/bias that shouldn't be ignored. Morty got flagged on Facebook for a covid meme). I did the mass unfollowing because I didn't want to see discourse on my dash for my own well-being. At the time, I had nothing against them. Others had left before me (I won't name names, but there was one guy that got pretty popular and pulled away from the pack). I watched how they were treated, never thinking it would happen to me. "He must have done or said something wrong", I thought.
Before that, I spent years getting threats and insults for sticking up for these guys--and constantly being asked to look at posts and get involved in their arguments--all while they otherwise rarely acknowledged my existence. Still, I truly believed we were in the right. I even got caught up in what was basically bullying the hell out of a teenage girl for not wanting to see creepy shit in the fandom of a show made with little girls in mind (yes, many of them are bronies, and the exact kind that made people hate bronies. There are nice people that just enjoy the show and reblog wholesome art).
Before I left KF for good (having originally been invited by someone from the TF2 community that I'd known from before I'd ever heard of tumblr--she has since left KF behind as well), I looked at the thread about Takashi and those closest to him, and saw that things had gotten worse. They had even become the subject of memes (Kung Pow Penis anyone?). Without thinking, I expressed that I was glad I moved away from them. Obviously, they were still watching the thread. I can't blame them, but they seem too preoccupied with their image online, despite that it means jack in real life. When the thread first began, I went in with the sole purpose of defending Takashi, which I did for many pages (without success). I tried countless times thereafter to urge him and others to move away from discourse: It's a waste of time, especially when people are so divided.
At some point during lockdown, I agreed with some things I saw on Twitter (Twitter can be even worse than tumblr. I try to avoid looking at what's "trending", but 99% of HorrorFam, and every horror actor, director, and musician I follow--Jeffrey Combs, Dee Snider, etc.--are very left, so it's hard to never see anything political, and these were my childhood heroes who helped shape my values growing up. I was raised listening to skinhead-hating punks and anti-censorship metalheads, and hating conservatives that kept trying to ban and censor my favorite horror movies and games). It didn't take long for others to start throwing around terms like "sjw", and saying things like "how the mighty have fallen". It was all too familiar--the exact same things they used to say about/to the guy that left before I did.
I never wanted to be "mighty" to anyone. I'm being very honest when I say I'm naïve, and I'm not proud of it. I don't know much about how politics even work--I just want to be a decent person. I'm someone who'll bend over backwards for others at my own expense, and is always eager to make friends--a combination that's made me susceptible to being used ever since I was a kid. I had some "friends" in grade school that hung around me because I'd share things like candy. They later tried stealing my bike out from under me (guess they really dug my cheap, turquoise baby bike with a cartoon puppy on it).
I just want to move on, and try to be a better person. I say "try" because I still fumble at it. I overreact to things. I keep slipping into an "all or nothing" mentality, which I've since found is part of having ADHD. I'm crap at wording things, and have trouble being concise. I'm not perfect, and shouldn't have been expected to be. I just like making movie lists for people (I'm starting to use my Letterboxd account), talking about horror, sharing weird things I've learned, and posting dumb fat unicorns. It doesn't matter to me if they don't get a lot of notes--the fun is sharing them with others. Making even just one person smile is a worthwhile achievement.
I could have stayed in that crowd, and kept going along with everything they said and did. I'd have an entire group willing to reblog my long, rambling text posts. But, it just didn't feel right. I didn't want that, especially when it was hurting others for no good reason. I felt bad for everything I said and did, and I still do.
Sorry again for the TL:DR, but I can't use cuts on mobile. I am speaking from the heart, no matter what anyone tries to accuse me of. Like Morty told me, I know myself better, as do those around me that love and care about me. I'm blessed to have a job that I love that also benefits my community, with people that are more like family than coworkers.
I deeply appreciate every person that's stuck with me through even my worst, and who actually talk to me about either of our interests. I'm also thankful for those who patiently explain their criticism for my dumb monkey brain, even when I don't always listen. I have a tendency to be stubborn, but I would not have changed at all if I never took anyone's words to heart. I guess that's all I have to say.
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musette22 · 3 years
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does rpf not seem kinda iffy to you? i understand it's been rlly normalized in online spaces and most of the time, the people that are being written about don't see it. but fetishization and speculation have completely ruined the friendships of a lot of the people that rpf gets written about. and if a large group of people were picking apart my every interaction with my friend and treating us like fictional characters that they could play around with and sexualize, i'd feel really violated. it seems like most rpf shippers don't think abt the real world emotional impact.
To be honest, no, it doesnt seem iffy to me, or I wouldn't be doing it. I do have morals, believe it or not :p The thing is, I keep all my RPF shipping and writing to dedicated fandom spaces that are practically unfindable for the real life people I ship. I would never tell those people about my shipping activities or thoughts, and I would never tag them in anything or show them any fic or artwork. I'm aware of instances where celebrities relationships have been put under stress or ruined by the fact that people have shipped them, and that's deplorable. But none of what I do on here should ever reach them, if it's up to me. Unfortunately, there are people who cross these boundaries I believe to be important, and who involve the real life people in our shipping activities, making them aware of it and sometimes even harrassing them about it. I do not condone or endorse that kind of behaviour, in any way. But the people who do that are responsible for their own behaviour, and I am only responsible for mine. I'm not going to refrain from it just because other people can't respect those boundaries, you know?
Besides, tabloids speculate about celebrities' relationships all the time, though a) they mostly only speculate about m/f relationships and b) they do it EXTREMELY publicly (and in that sense I think it's a lot worse than RPF shipping in dedicated, private fandom spaces), and c) do it for money, instead of love. And even though it's also frowned upon by many, this is a really commonly accepted practice in modern day society. And is shipping two celebrities together really that different from fantasizing about yourself and your favourite celebrity together? I have my personal reasons for not doing the latter, but a LOT of fans do it, and that also seems to be very commonly accepted, even though technically that could weird celebs out too if they knew about it, right?
RPF stands for real person fiction. Would I like them to date in real life and do I hope they have/are/will be? Absolutely. Am I going to harass them about it, tell them they should be together, or hate on their irl partners or loved ones? Absolutely not. Shipping these guys together is something that brings me a lot of joy and comfort, something that's quite personal for me, in a sense. It's a mostly private affair that I only share with a relatively small group of likeminded people online, and if it's up to me, none of it will ever reach them. So I don't believe there is anything iffy about what I personally am doing, no.
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ye4gerismarchives · 3 years
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the bachelorette: after the final rose
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an: the bachelorette is finally over. writing this was…wow. interacting with my followers was so fun😭 i hope to do so again in the future. do enjoy this and take a look at the poll at the end. my requests will be opening up again! feel free to drop something :)
tags: black, fem reader
taglist: @taybird
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The day after your wedding, you and Jean found yourselves in Bora Bora. Once you landed, you and Jean settled down for a moment. Your ideal plan was to unpack, get something to eat at the hotel you were in and probably go to sleep. Jean had different plans in mind. As you unpacked your suitcase, he kept massaging your shoulders. His hands moved down your arms and you didn't protest. Y'all, I don't write smut. Give me a few years and I'll write everything that when down.
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Despite getting married on television and the whole world knowing, you and Jean never saw yourself as a married couple. It was more like dating to you guys. There were times he's walked out on you because you were too "emotional" and you've walked out on him because he was too "sensitive". But you always found your way back to each other.
During the week of your first "wedding" anniversary, Jean flew you out to Corfu, Greece. The first six days, he recreated your first "honeymoon" night and on the seventh day, he got on one knee again and asked you to be his wife- for real this time. You immediately said yes and threw yourself at him, toppling him over. You both landed on the restaurant floor but that didn't stop you from kissing him.
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Wedding planning didn't take as long and it wasn't as hectic as it was the last time. You and Jean had decided to elope. You decided not to tell anyone, except Mikasa, that the wedding was real this time. Everyone you knew had been under the impression that you were spouses.
The day you went to court, Mikasa had been your only witness. You liked the idea of eloping. It was more intimate. No camera, no scripts. Just you and Jean.
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Buying what you call a 'mansion' was not on your bingo card. Before you officially made Jean your husband, you had lived in a penthouse that Levi owned. You thought it was perfect- there was enough space for you and Jean. However, it was time to put your big boy pants on.
The outside of your home looks scary. No, it was a pretty house but this was a HUGE mansion. The inside of your home was very homey, however. There were office spaces for you and Jean- which he loved because he was getting back into law again (he had to quit his job because fans and Yeagerists, Eren's "fandom", had found his place of work and harassed him in some sort of way. Jean works with an elite private firm now), a game room, an inside gym, and a sitting room. Your backyard had a pool, a cabana, a garden, and outside guest quarters.
To be perfectly honest, you both found yourself in your offices. You started your own successful wedding planning business and Jean had his cases. Sometimes you felt like a big home was a waste of time. It's not like you had people to live in it for you.
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"Jean, we need to talk."
Jean had just come home from work. It was one in the morning. You were standing in front of him in one of your many bathrobes. Jean walks up to you and plants a kiss on your forehead. "What's up, babe? No hi or anything?"
"I'm afraid that you're not taking care of yourself well enough," you start. "What do you mean, baby?" Jean asks mindlessly as he removes his coat. "Oh, would you stop with the baby thing? I'm trying to have a serious conversation with you!"
Jean looks at you like you hit his mother or something. "I don't think a serious conversation includes you raising your voice at me," he answers. "Excuse me? Your thick head doesn't like to listen to anyone, so we got to yell things into it," you retort. Jean ignores you and makes his way to the kitchen. You're eyes widen- he's never walked away from you before. "Excuse me!” you call after him.
There is no response from Jean, who pulls a white wine from the fridge. "You're not drinking that. Not until you hear me out," you try again. "Well, you could have told me instead of chewing me out about calling you 'baby', y/n," Jean responds. He turns away from you again and starts looking through the cabinets for a wine glass. You take this as an opportunity to take the wine off the island counter and pour it out. Jean's head snaps back once he hears liquids going down the drain. "What the hell is your problem? I can't drink now?!" he snaps.
"I'm worried about you, idiot. You come home late, I never hear you eating, you don't take your double showers and you're always exhausted. You don't think your job is hurting you? I don't even see you anymore. Your job is hurting us!" you cry.
Jean shakes his head and mutters some nonsense under his breath before placing the wine glass he picked on the island counter. He shakes his head as he leaves.
"Are you gonna be like this when the baby is here?" You call out.
"Excuse me?"
"Are you going to be working long hours and act like a jerk when I'm farther along? What about when the baby gets here? At this point, the baby doesn't even have a father."
Jean walks over to you with confusion in his eyes. "What the hell are you talking about?"
"I'm pregnant, Jean," you say with a small chuckle. I've wanted to tell you this whole time but you've been busy and I just got fed up tonight because I miss you."
Jean doesn't say a word. Instead, he undoes your robe and places a hand on your stomach. "We're having a baby? Are you serious? Us? How..."
You could only smile wider. Seeing Jean in awe about your very small bump was an entertaining sight.
"I'll...I'll talk to my b-boss. In fact, I-I'll q-quit my job...yeah! I'll q-quit!" he finally lets out.
"Oh no, don't do that. Just get your hours fixed and if they don't allow that, we'll find a different place, yeah?"
"S-sure," Jean stutters. "Are you hungry? Would you like me to order something? Do you want socks? What do you want?"
"I think I want you to take a bath and for you to sleep, mister," you answer. Jean still in a trance, obeys.
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"I can't believe we had two. I was under the impression there was only one."
"At least they'll keep the big room you painted busy."
Jean had one of your newborns sprawled on his bare chest. You cradled the other one in your arms. A little boy and girl. Your daughter, Maia, already had Jean wrapped around her finger. Your son, Marquis, was a little independent, despite being a few days old.
"I can't believe we made them," Jean says. After your emergency C-section, Jean was back into that trance he was in when you first told him you were pregnant. "We should have one more. We have pretty babies."
"Shut up, Jean."
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You never thought you'd allow a camera in your sight again. Obviously, there was the paparazzi that hounded you and your children down on the regular. But a camera allowed by you in your home? Never. Until today.
It's been seven years since you met the love of your life. You're thirty now and Jean is thirty-two. The two little menaces in your home are three. Maia and Marquis were just like their father- silly and full of life unless otherwise. But at least they look like you (except the pieces of ash brown in their hair that they picked up from Jean). You were pregnant with another. You hoped that your child would bring you peace but even if they were as colorful as your two, it wouldn't matter to you.
You sat in the family room with Jean and your twins as the camera team prepared their cameras and other equipment. Jean was trying his best to keep your children in one place, as you adjust your hair.
"Ms. y/n, are you ready?" Your interviewer asks. You nod and Jean gives you a nervous look. "Hey, kids...why don't you go into the sitting room. We'll come get you later, yeah?" you say softly. Your twins start to whine but they also start their walk to the sitting room.
"Mr. and Mrs. Kirstein, I'll count you off now," your cameraman says. You both nod, waiting for the interviewer to start asking you questions.
"Mr. and Mrs. Kirstein, I'll count you off now," your cameraman says. You both nod, waiting for the interviewer to start asking you questions.
"Mr. and Mrs. Kirstein, it's such an honor to meet you both. Seven years together...amazing. You've been together for almost a decade now," your interviewer starts.
"It's been interesting but it's been nice getting to know my girlfriend of seven years now," Jean says jokingly. "Oh stop it," you reply teasingly.
"How have you changed since the Bachelorette?"
You take a deep breath and Jean looks down awkwardly. "Well, we've been cautious. Obviously, with our privacy but also with the people we allow in our circle," you answer. "We've been in contact with a few contestants and it's been on and off. We've learned that trust is key...not only in marriage but who we bring into it," Jean says.
"If you don't mind me asking, who is in your life right now? Have you been in contact with your father? What about Levi?"
Jean clinches his fist and you take it in your hand, letting him know you were still here with him. "Well, Bertholdt and Reiner are still one of our biggest friends," you answer. Reiner and Bertholdt had a baby recently, a little girl named Gabi, but you decided not to announce that to protect their privacy. "Mikasa and I are still friends and we're still trying to get used to Eren being in her-our lives." Mikasa and Eren met up again and Mikasa was still head over heels for him. You were uncomfortable (because of his silence when his fans harassed your husband) at first but he was good to her. "The twins absolutely adore Levi and Erwin. They're their grandpas," you finish. You still hadn't answered the question about Jean's father.
"And your father? Mr. Kirstein?"
"My father is not in my life. Please stop asking."
The interviewer purses their lips, now feeling embarrassed. “I apologize, Mr. Kirstein. I’ll ask the next question: what are some obstacles you’ve faced in your relationship?”
“Well, we thought we had communication down. But we didn’t…at least not completely. But we managed,” you say.
“I think our children are proof of it,” Jean suddenly includes.
You glare at him and slap his hand, non verbally telling him to shut up. He only gives you a cheeky smile.
The rest of the questions were about hardships, what turned you both on, and your hopes for the future.
When the interviewer finally announced that the last question was coming up, you couldn’t have been happier.
“What are three things you appreciate about each other?”
You look at Jean and then back at the interviewer. “Er-well…I-“
“I appreciate how serious you get,” Jean interrupts, “ how kind you are and how dedicated you are- especially to your children and your career. I wouldn’t want anyone else but you.”
“Jean-“ your voice cracked. It always seemed like you had power over your husband and he was just your dog but he still knew how to overpower you with his words. “I don’t know what to say…you’re so dedicated to our family. Watching you play with our kids, feed them, and put them to sleep- you just prove that you're the perfect man for this job. I see how you treat your mom and I don’t worry about our children and me being mistreated. And you’re so strong. You lost the person who should have been there for you and your mom but you still worked hard and you found some peace. I love you, Jean Kirstein.
Jean takes your hand and kisses it. “I love you too, y/n l/n.”
The End.
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This is totally cool, lol! That's why I tagged you, I like different perspectives 🥰 and I adore lesbian Jenny
I've been thinking a lot about Jenny's character and sexuality lately since I'm in the middle of rewatching the show. I totally agree that she's attracted to women and most times she pursues guys it's mainly to increase social status and not because of genuine interest. Nate always felt different to me, though. Like, the two times she really pursues him is in season 2, when she's being homeschooled and trying to make it as a designer, and the end of season 3, which is after the whole Damien drama and she's just looking for someone who cares about her and respects her (I know you said once that it doesn't even feel romantic here, which I also agree with, poor girl just needs a connection). I do really see how it can be interrupted as comphet, though. Like she feels like she's supposed to be attracted to Nate because who wouldn't be?
I think the reason why I lean the other way is probably just projection. Jenny's been my favourite GG character since I first watched the show when I was 12, partly because I relate a lot to her, and since I'm bisexual... Add that plus the fact that I totally have had a crush on Nate and of course I'm gonna ship them. I've been relating to Jenny even more this time around cause I dropped out of school this year, so her season 2 arc really hit close to me. So this made my jenate feelings come back tenfold and also made me that much madder at Rufus, lol. I just wanted to go through the screen and shake his shoulders like "There are other paths than the one you want your daughter to have, not everyone has to go through life like society expects you to let your daughter carve out her own unconventional path you fucking idiot!" Luckily my parents have been way more supportive.
Mainly I just see Jenny as bi with a strong lean towards women, but I like to think about lesbian Jenny, too. It wouldn't exactly be the first time I had contradicting headcanons.
I don't know I just think it's really cool that different people can have such different interpretations of the same character. I think that's what's so interesting about fiction, to see how we view things differently depending on how we view and relate to things based on our own experiences. Tumblr can be so focused on hating people who disagree with you, but I like following people with different opinions, it helps me understand people better.
Yeah, I'm glad you tagged me!! back in November, some anons were mean to me about shipping Jenate (me??? who literally does not even - anyway) and ever since then I've been trying extra to ensure that Jenate shippers feel welcome on my blog - you may already know this, because I've brought it up before, but I'm saying it here to let you know that every time you tag me in your Jenate edits I get so happy that you're sharing something you're so passionate about with me!! I'm also a big believer of like........ making the content you want to see (a big part of why I even learnt to gif is because nobody was giffing Dan & Nate, and I was like...... that's the content I need, so if it's not already existing, I'm gonna make it happen!) so regardless of my feelings it's always so cool to see the way you conceptualise JN + their feelings re: each other, and your choice of scenes + lyrics (??? I'm not actually familiar with where you got the words for your edits, they're likely songs I haven't heard, haha) is just so interesting & good!
OH my full Jenny & Nate feelings are a lot more complicated than just comphet on Jenny's part. I feel like..... neither of them was romantically/sexually into each other? and that is kind of the appeal to me? I've always interpreted Nate's interest in Jenny during the s2 arc as sort of like - everything in his life is so unstable and undetermined, and here is Jenny who is so clear on who she is and what she wants, and he admires and respects that, and he wants to be there for her and support her, so when she kisses him he just sort of lets her take their dynamic wherever she wants to? that is very much the vibe I got. You already know how I feel about lesbian Jenny, I mean, you quoted my meta right back at me :'))
but I DO agree with you that Nate is different from the other guys to Jenny. JN have this really specific kind of honesty to them - well, when Jenny wasn't spiralling and trying to get power and acting out, and when the writers actually cared? I still think that NJ had the potential to be a SOLID dynamic but the writers made it sorta unhealthy on the show :(( - but I've spoken abt moments like in seventeen candles and the empire strikes jack before, where they're both able to be emotionally vulnerable around each other in ways we don't see them be with anyone else. I've even compared that to what I like about Derena, whom everyone knows I ship in every possible way, haha. But there's something about characters who trust each other and allow themselves to be honest with each other in ways that they wouldn't otherwise EVER be - especially with characters like Jenny & Nate who have spent so long trying to seem fine and okay even when they're really not.
I honestly really like the idea of queerplatonic Jenate - they're life partners, they're each other's rock, they're each other's person - but it's not romantic OR sexual - and for Nate & Jenny, whose adolescence has involved navigating other people sexualising them so much + not having the best track record with romantic relationships - for them, I feel being qpps gets REALLY interesting, because you get all the perks of a relationship without the romantic/sexual obligations? (obligations isn't the best word, but i don't know what else to use here? LOL) and that's something i love to explore.
I feel like book Jenny was bi! The way she gushed about Nate, whom she canonically had a crush on, and the way she gushed about Serena were EXACTLY the same. Also YES I love multiple headcanons always, it's a lot of fun seeing people explore that!!! I know people who have aroace readings of Jenny, or aro lesbian / ace lesbian readings of her, and I find that really cool, too!
I also definitely get you about relating to Jenny a lot, and feeling that kind of connection. It's similar to how I feel about Dan, and .... explains a lot of my contradicting dair views, actually. A few years ago I had a seriously intense crush on a girl who was... a lot like Blair, in many ways. I spent a ridiculous amount of time writing poetry about her, etc etc, but I never actually acted on it. If she'd fabricated schemes that involved us kissing, though..... I don't know. I don't think I would've denied it if I'd felt like I actually had a chance. I think we just had a case of bad timing, & I like to think in another universe, maybe we were actually together for a bit. I'm glad that your parents are supportive of you and better than Rufus! <3
I think that's what's so interesting about fiction, to see how we view things differently depending on how we view and relate to things based on our own experiences <- THIS exactly! this is a big part of why that "proship" is in my bio. like this is exactly what it means to me and how I conceptualise & understand it!!! Like you, I also like engaging with people who have different understandings and opinions of the characters -> it definitely helps you make new friends you would otherwise not meet by staying in your bubble, & from a fandom point of view, it also helps you develop a more nuanced understanding of a character. Some of the best written Jenny Humphrey I've read was in Jenate fics - and I've had people who don't even ship Blenny tell me they liked the way I wrote Jenny in my post canon blennyfic, so... idk. it's loving Jenny hours - each and every single iteration of Jenny!!!
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honestly I have no idea, I'm not involved in any jared slender bc i literally do not care for the guy and just Close My Eyes when I see things I don't like. so I was surprised they somehow pulled out a week old post despite it not being tagged were I complained about sam's wasted potential and I guess, liking their favourite character and not being happy about the way writers treated him set them off?
i love drama but arguing with a diehard wincestie is like trying to discuss philosophy with a chimpanzee when all the poor animal wants is to have a lil wresting match in the mud
I had to take a smoke after I read this, I am not joking
Now to the point: as hilarious as I find this comparison I think we shouldn’t call other people like that. They are people, they are fans. Some wincest shippers are angry and like to pick up fights but god’s honest: we have those people on our destiel side, too  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And as much as I would love for all of us to live in peace in our corners of the internet we are unfortunately parts of the same fandom so sometimes these two worlds collide. 
And I understand because I received some pretty awful hate anons after saying that I preferred Misha and Jensen’s acting in later seasons than Jared’s, while also stating that I am not happy with his ending, he wasn’t given much to act upon in the scripts and I agree Sam has some sad wasted potential. People literally told me to k word myself after that. 
Also apparently when you even mention a name it appears in the tagged posts, so maybe that is how they find these posts, I don’t know. 
I am thinking that if you are a thinking adult you should just let it go and not interact with posts you don’t like (like ours - harmless opinions) but when it’s blatant slander they are provoked and they react (I am not tracking general Misha or Cas tags so idk what is in there but I don’t know if I would’ve been able to stop myself from reacting if I saw many hate posts towards him, just saying. I think I would fight back, even though knowing this is pointless). 
There are also some things I Pretend I Do Not See but looking at the bigger picture this is just sad that we jump on each other. And I decided I don’t want to have anything to do with that, but I also want to know The Drama without being involved although I would very much prefer if there was no drama at all. That is precisely why I stay away from twitter.
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Destiel Chronicles
(Vol. XXVII)
It was a love story from the very beginning.
Missing You
(7x09/7x12/7x14/7x15)
Hello my friends! I bring to you another volume from this series of metas.
Today is Edlund time!!! So we'll have a lot of Destiel here and Dean missing Cas badly, and being miserable for him too. Thank you Edlund.
I want to say thank you to my friend @agusvedder , she made the gifs for this meta and discussed with me the episodes.
Let's start this...
Edlund put order and re-direct the storyline
When episode 7x09 How to Win Friends and Influence Monsters started, I saw order and direction for the first time in many episodes. Edlund wrote a STOP sign on the road, and writes things as it should be.
1) He takes the Hallucifer storyline again.
2) He explains DEAN IS IN BAD SHAPE AND IS SUICIDAL BECAUSE HE MISS CASTIEL.
These two VITAL points, will be imprescindible for the second half of the season, and I guess the decision of getting back Misha Collins had been taken already, and they had to change things because COMING BACK TO WHAT THE SHOW WAS JUST THE TWO BROTHERS and playing A LOT with Wincest was lowering the rating.
Dean misses Cas
In this episode, we had people eating food with that substance Leviathans had put on corn syrup, and everyone was like intoxicated with it, acting like zombies. Dean was in the first stage, so he began to act weird.
Sam and Bobby noticed this, they pointed this to him, and Dean talks in self defense, but is very, very interesting the thing he mentioned first of all... Remember they were with their defense mechanism lowered, so his brain acted like a drink or a child, without strains, so... Look what Dean said...
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"The best I felt in months..."
Okay, let's stop here... Dean is stoned so his words are the very truth coming out from his most repressed feelings... He had been depressed and suicidal the last months... He was feeling really bad, sad, hopeless... Why??? Because he killed Sammy's friend? That Kitsune woman?? No. Beacuse of Castiel! (Thanks Edlund)
Cas? Black goo? I don't even care anymore. 
Right there! 👆 He mentioned Cas, Black Goo, the way Cas died, Castiel is in his mind the whole time. Is Cas the reason why he's in bad shape. He misses Cas. Badly.
Then, after this, Bobby attacks again, because he's seeing in Dean this suicidal behavior that worries him a lot. Knowing loosing Cas was the thing that marked Dean deeply Bobby tries to talk with him again...
BOBBY: I want to talk about your new party line.
DEAN: Party? What are you talking about? I don't even vote.
BOBBY: "The world's a suicide case. We save it, it just steals more pills"?
DEAN: Bobby, I'm here, okay? I'm on the case. What's the problem?
And as always... Dean is avoiding the topic again...
I'm on the case, I'm concentrated on this, don't put my head in thinking about that again.
BOBBY: I've seen a lot of hunters live and die. You're starting to talk like one of the dead ones, Dean.
DEAN: No, I'm talking the way a person talks when they've had it, when they can't figure out why they used to think all this mattered.
BOBBY: Oh, you poor, sorry... You're not a person.
Okay, here... Dean talks in third person, but what he says is legit, it comes from the bottom of his heart. But Bobby wants more from him. And because he is honest, Bobby is afraid Dean is trying to kill himself by doing the kamikaze thing. So he needs Dean to confront his lost and work on it.
BOBBY: Come on, now. You tried to hang it up and be a person with Lisa and Ben. And now here you are with a mean old coot and a van full of guns. That ain't person behavior, son. You're a hunter, meaning you're whatever the job you're doing today. Now, you get a case of the Anne Sextons, something's gonna come up behind you and rip your fool head off.
What Bobby is trying to say here is YOU WERE A PERSON ONCE, NOW YOU'RE A CRAZY SUICIDAL GUY. He mentions Lisa and Ben because that's the idea of a normal life a person that came out from the hunter life wants. And that's what Sam, Bobby even Cas thought Dean wanted for himself.
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This is heartbreaking, Bobby is desperate, because Dean doesn't take his words seriously. He even use words wrong by the end of the speech. But Dean gets the message.
Dean was a person once. He had faith, he had his best friend, he had a thing not so Platonic growing in his heart for him, he trusted him, he was his savior. But he betrayed him, and when they were about to solve things, Cas was gone.
Of course he's depressed and suicidal... Because he not just lost Cas, but everything he represented in Dean's heart and soul.
During the episode, we discover the monster committed suicide... As a parallel with as in the river.
In episode 7x13 The Slice Girls, Sam talks about Dean's behavior too...
SAM: You know what? Bobby was right. Your head's not in it, man. When Cas died, you were wobbly, but now...
DEAN: Now what? Oh, what, you're dealing with it so perfect? Yeah, news flash, pal – you're just as screwed up as I am! You're just... bigger.
(...)
SAM: Look... Dean, the thing is, tonight... It almost got you killed. Now, I don't care how you deal. I really, really don't. But just don't – don't get killed.
Okay, they're having finally the conversation, because now Bobby is dead, and everything is out of control. But is interesting the word Sam choose to describe Dean's shape after Castiel's death... "Wobbly" like loosing stability. He had just lost his strengths, Cas, and that's sad but beautiful at the same time.
And I can't forget episode 7x14 Plucky Pennywhistle Magic Maneuverism where Dean wanted so so badly his rainbow toy... Exquisite.
Two Destiel dark mirrors
Then we have two blatant Destiel's mirror in episode 7x12 and 7x15.
Let's began with 7x12 Time after Time, after time.
In this one, Dean traveled accidentally back in time with Elliot Ness who's a hunter too, to kill Chronos.
And we had at the beginning of the episode a very bi-Dean scene very well known by the fandom, remember Dean checking out a soldier in uniform in the street? Yeah.
But we'll, back to Chronos, when they were about to hunt him, he said a very interesting thing...
CHRONOS: Lila, I'm sorry, but, you just – everything I said to you is true –
DEAN: Oh, he might have left out a few details. He tell you he's a monster who jumps through time?
CHRONOS: [shouting at DEAN] I'm a God! [speaking to LILA] Look, I'm not a monster. Listen. I'm the opposite.
Chronos is trying to convince Lila, his lover, about his true identity, but pay attention to his words... Is a recall to what Dean and Cas had to live when CAS was on the dark side. Even the word God is a reminder of Godstiel.
Let's continue...
ELIOT NESS: Well, don't forget to tell her about all the people you murdered along the way, boy scout.
LILA: What?
CHRONOS: It's not like that. I do it for you, Lila.
LILA: I don't understand.
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Okay are we again on that cabin with CAS trapped in the fire?
The word boy scout it talks about a good, kind and nice person that make things to help others. So we could call that Cas too, because he thought he was doing what he was doing for the greatest cause.
Now... Chronos says those words to Lila "I do it for you." And that's to put a finger on our wounds, people... Yes the same phrase Cas repeated to Dean.
Let's leave Chronos right here, and continue with episode 7x15 Repo Man (Edlund's).
I want to point here, this one was a blatant mirror, written so exquisitely by Edlund, and choosing each word, to make us see how Dean was feeling about loosing Cas... Pay attention...
JEFFREY: Did you ever think that maybe I loved being possessed? Did you? 
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Now, the word connection here, as a mirror of the profound bond between Dean and Cas. Dean loved it.
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Castiel saved Dean from Hell, we can say he liberated Dean from perdition. Then, he gave him faith, a purpose in his life. A new and true mission.
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Again... Cas was his faith, his strengths. He changed Dean's life for ever.
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Okay, isn't this a description of what Dean is feeling now? Jeffrey is describing Dean's behavior and cause of his depression by describing his own experience with the demon. And is beautiful, because this is previous to Castiel's return in episode 17. Like a premonition, a preparation.
Yes, my friends, Edlund is emphasizing DEAN IS IN BAD SHAPE, SAD, DEPRESSED, SUICIDAL, FOR CASTIEL.
After this, Jeffrey can summon the demon, but he possesed another body, and not him. And he gets jealous, well, this is kind of hilarious because when Dean found Emmanuel, he was married with his female version, but, it felt kind of a cheating, isn't? Okay, we could say... This is a foreshadow to that. 🤣
To Conclude:
These episodes written by Edlund showed us Dean was in bad shape because of Cas. Drawing a couple of Strong's points like Dean being stoned and talking without strains about his feelings and Cas and Bobby talking with him because he sensed his suicidal behavior.
There was two dark Destiel mirrors, but the one that was a blatant and heartbreaking was Jeffrey and his demon. We could say each word Jeffrey said, it was Dean talking about his lost connection with Castiel.
These episode were a preparation to Misha's return in episode 17.
I hope you enjoy this Chronicles! See you in the next one!
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If you want to read the previous season 7 chronicle, here's the link. Vol XXV and vol. XXVI.
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hikariarts501 · 4 years
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My childhood husbandos
(And why I never talked about them)
Okay! Like every other person on this planet, I have had crushes on fictional characters in movies and tv shows, weither it's Legolas from Lord of The Rings or *cough* Kakashi Hatake from Naruto.
Though I never talked about them growing up because I was worried other kids my age would make fun of me.
But we're getting right into it, so let's go! :D
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1. Legolas Greenleaf, from Lord of the Rings
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I formed a crush on Legolas when I first watched Lord of the Rings when I was around five or six yrs old. I think it was his voice that captivated me from the start. And the fact that he was played by Orlando Bloom. Like, yes please.
When I was in elementary school, I was talking with one of my few friends about what characters I had a crush on from movies and tv shows. When I brought up Legolas, a boy from our class overheard and started teasing me and saying things like "Hikari likes fake characters!".
But seriously, how many of you out there fell in love with Legolas after watching Lord of The Rings?
2. Peter Pan
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Like all little girls, I absolutely LOVED Peter Pan. I don't think I need to go into detail as to why, since I'm pretty sure everyone knows already.
3. Loki Laufeyson (Marvel/Marvel Cinematic Universe)
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Oh god. This handsome man. I actually first fell in love with Loki after watching most of the animated cartoons (Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Avengers Assmeble, etc.) It wasn't long after that watching Thor:God of Thunder and seeing Tom Hiddleston for the first time that I was just smitten. Also, Loki is very relatable in so many ways.
The reason I never talk about Loki is because...well when I say he's my favorite character and one of my husbandos a lot of people would give me crap about it. Mostly those hardcore(if not a rather obessive and just flat out mean) loki/tom hiddleston fangirls on here would start calling me names and saying that I have no right to be liking him and yada yada yada. It's the same in real life too.
4. Captain Rex of the 501st (Star Wars the Clone Wars 2008)
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This one. Like everyone else, when Star Wars the Clone Wars aired on tv in 2008, I was ecstatic and watched every episode I possibly can. Seeing Rex for the first time made me head over heels in love with him and most of the clones.
I mostly kept this crush to myself until around middle school/ high school when I discovered a website called Quizzazz (now known as Quotev. To anyone who has an account there knows me as Ren Leonhart. :) ) From there I found as many star wars fan groups as I can and ended up meeting tons of wonderful fellow Clone Wars fans and I became more opened up about my husbandos, and started creating my first set of ocs and fanfics. A lot of people were supportive and so sweet about my choices.
However, there was the toxic side of the fandom who immediately started leaving negative comments on my stuff, saying how my oc is killing their Rex/Ahsoka, Rex/Cody, etc. ships. Like...dude. You got your own taste in ships and opts and I have mine. I honestly don't want to hear it, you know?
5. Kiku Honda, Japan (Hetalia)
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This one is a bit more of a platonic love than a romantic one. The reason I say that is because ironically, my dad kinda reminds me too much of Kiku. Which I found extremely weird since when I first watched Hetalia I was all like "Awh, Japan's a freaking cutie." until I started seeing a lot of similarities between him and my dad.
6. Commandant Cumberlayne Aresko (Star Wars Rebels)
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In the Rebels community we all have our favorite Rebel, and our favorite Imperial. For me it was Commandant Aresko. I joined the Rebels fandom a bit late into the series, Season 2 at best, but quickly got caught up after getting Disney plus a few months ago.
Seeing Aresko, there was no doubt in my mind that I freaking loved him. I think I say it alot in the tags of every artwork of him I post on here. Just how he goes from acting all high and mighty to a nervous wreck in a short amount of time is adorable. Also I'll admit it I have a thing for guys with british accents, dark hair and blue eyes.
I don't talk about him as much as I do about the others, because when I do, people will immediately say that I'm not valid for liking him, or will immediately be talking trash about him. And to be honest, I never asked for anyone's opinion on him when I just decide to go and spread love about him or any other character.
7. Jotaro Kujo (JoJo's Bizzare Adventure; Stardust Crusaders)
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So like I said in a previous post of some fanart, I just recently got into JJBA, and fell inlove with Jotaro. I've always loved the delinquint characters who have the hearts of gold.
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Robert Hurst commented on the video of Car0l and Daryl that Norman reposted from a fan account on Instagram and he said "She's kinda like a mom to yo---oh no!!!" I'm so nervous that this means C@ryl is going to happen :( I don't know exactly what he meant by it so you have any thoughts?
Hey anon, I’m sorry for the late response. For context, Robert Hurst plays Beta, one of the higher-ranking Whisperer antagonists, and he goes by the username randomdonkeykong on his social media. Last month Norman Reedus posted a C@ryl-centric picture on May 6th and then a video on May 8th, both to commemorate the start of season-10 filming. While I don’t trust the writers anymore, I don’t think Hurst’s comment, or even the posts themselves, mean that C@ryl is going to happen.
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For one thing, Hurst could have been joking. We don’t know the full context of his comment, and I don’t know much about him, so this might be on par with his personality/style of humor. More importantly though, TPTB have used C@ryl in the marketing before, and nothing came of it (x) (x). AMC knows that C@ryl is a popular ship, so any social media posts will draw attention. Again, the writers could completely ignore the characterizations they’ve developed over the years, but I’m a fandom elder. I’ve seen this panic come up many times. Anytime Daryl is near a non-attached female character inevitably talk will arise of a romance. It’s why I’m not worried about the C0nnie ship – I remember people panicking over D@rsita leading into season 8 (x).
In regards to the characters themselves, a romantic relationship goes against their established histories, their actors’ interpretation, and the current storyline. Daryl loves Beth, and he will only ever love her (x); C@rol is and always has been a sororal-maternal figure to him. Because this subject has been beaten beyond death, I will direct you to my Bethyl-canonicity tag: x. Below I have also included quotes about Daryl’s lupine-like monogamy and about his relationship with C@rol. NR first described Daryl as being only to love romantically once, for life, back in 2013 and he’s said that up through 2016. (I don’t keep up with interviews so if he said something different after 2016, please let me know, but I won’t trust it unless someone can give me a direct source.) Daryl’s monogamy fits into the lupine and aquiline imagery he’s been connected to as both animals mate for life (x) (x).
Norman Reedus on Daryl’s monogamy:
“I like playing these awkward moments in between that build relationships. I don’t ever want to play that character that grabs the girl and has my way with her. That’s just not who that character is. If Daryl falls in love with you, he’s going to love you for the rest of his life.” October 10th, 2013; Daily Dead (x)
“I think if he’s going to zero in on one, it’s going to happen by accident, and he’s not going to be the one zeroing in first. Then he’ll just stay with her. I think he’s like an eagle — once they start flying together, they’ll always fly together.” February 10th, 2015; Entertainment Weekly’s Sirius radio show (x) (x)
“I like all the awkward things in between that make a person and make it honest. I think that that character, once he shacks up with somebody, he’s going to be with them for life. I don’t want to blow my wad, so to speak, right off the bat, you know what I mean?” April 22nd, 2015; Inquisitr (x)
“If [Daryl] falls in love, he’s always going to be love.” May 7th 2016; Montclair Film Festival Q & A (x) (x, skip to 00:40)
C@ryl as a platonic bond:
Daryl saved Carol during the zombie attack on the farm in true superhero style, sweeping her away on his chopper. Will love finally bloom?
Not if Norman Reedus can help it! The fan fave who plays Daryl hopes things stay platonic, though he adores working with Melissa McBride. “I’ve fought against having C@rol and Daryl hook up because there’s already too many of us doing it on this show,” says Reedus. “It’s more interesting to see these two damaged people gravitating to each other, needing each other’s friendship. But I gotta admit it would be hysterical watching Daryl put on a bunch of deodorant before he goes in for his first kiss.”
Norman Reedus; March 23rd, 2012; TV Insider (x)
IGN: Meanwhile, another interesting relationship is the one between Daryl and C@rol – two very different characters, but they’ve had this interesting bond. How would you describe their relationship? Would you like to see it go into a romantic place, or is it better to not?
Reedus: I’d actually not like to see it go in that direction. I just think it’s more interesting to have these two damaged people see something kindred in each other and gravitate towards each other in that way. I don’t think Daryl’s ever the type of guy that has game - that throws you against a tree and makes out with you as the moonlight glistens off his back. I don’t want to be that guy ever. I’m not that guy in real life, and I don’t want to be that guy in the character. I don’t think Daryl is that suave. I think that if anyone made moves on anyone, C@rol would make moves on Daryl, and Daryl would probably just prematurely ejaculate in his pants and go hide in the bushes. I’m kind of trying to keep it interesting as it is. It would just be too obvious if we made out and we were a couple. It’s been done, and I want to do stuff different on this show than what’s expected, keep it fresh and interesting. I think there’s probably a couple of neighborhood girls Daryl’s been with, and once anything emotional developed in any way I think he just bolted. I want to play him like that forever.
Norman Reedus; October 23rd, 2012; IGN (x)
Now what about your - I guess C@rol, to this point, is now your love interest, so to speak–
No.
She wants to be that way, it seems. But you said no, so–How come her hair doesn’t grow?
Who’s cutting the grass at the prison?I think we should grow weed at the prison. 
Oh yeah! [Laughter]
The thing about C@rol, is like… If we ever hooked up, I’d wanna not know what to do. I’d wanna premature ejaculate in my pants and go cry in a corner, you know? Like with C@rol and Daryl, they’re two damaged people, and that’s their sort of connection as they gravitate towards each other for that. I never want to be that character that takes his shirt off and bangs the girl against a tree in the moonlight. Like I don’t want to do that, not with this guy. So I hope that the important parts stay. I mean, everyone’s trying to get laid, zombie apocalypse, but I’m ready - if Daryl’s ready, I mean.
Norman Reedus; November, 2012; Geek Time on Howard 101 (x)
ETonline: Fans obviously love Daryl and C@rol – will we see any developments in their relationship this week? Does she try to soften his facade?
Reedus: Is she like an emotional roofie? [laughs] It’s there, but I think their bond is so much deeper than “stick your tongue in my mouth.” I like playing that and am glad the writers agree because it’s so awkward when boys meet girls, girls meet boys or boys meet boys, and they want to hook up. But this is a whole different set of uncomfortable rules. They love each other on a different level – it’s not about wanting to get together, it’s more like a sibling relationship. “If you hurt my sister, there’s nowhere you’ll be able to hide.” It’s an impenetrable bond. I know people want them together, but if that happens, I think it’ll be more epic than, “They did it!”
Norman Reedus; March 29th, 2013; ETonline (x)
“It’s also why Reedus is reluctant to let Daryl have a love interest on the show. He came close with the battered wife C@rol. played by Melissa McBride- “damaged people gravitate toward damaged people,“ Reedus says-but he has resisted the occasional plotting of the producers to toss him in the sack with a co-star. “Sometimes they suggest this or that, but if Daryl’s going to get busy with another character it has to be just right,” he says. Reedus gives them credit for letting him make the calls sometimes: “The producers are smart, man. Smart enough to know that Daryl can’t have the kind of love interest that you might think. I feel pretty strongly about it.’”
Norman Reedus; February/March 2014; Nylon Guys (x)
Carol has continued to be a force of her own within Alexandria. Could you see a romantic future for Daryl and C@rol? 
I’ve had lots of talks with Scott about it. I like our relationship how it is. We don’t have to make out to be who we are. We’re kindred spirits; there’s a brother-sister bond there that’s almost stronger than a lovey-dovey bond. I’m not totally against it, but I’m not totally for it. It’s tricky. Once you do that, it’s there forever. To be honest, I’m not begging for it, and I’m not opposed to it.
Norman Reedus; March 29th, 2015; The Hollywood Reporter (x)
“I mean, I get it with the fans who want the C@rol and Daryl thing, but I am just telling you in real life you would not set those two people up with each other!” Jason explained. “You would not do it!” […] We have to admit, Jason make a pretty valid point. But, that doesn’t explain the endless chemistry between C@rol and Daryl, does it? Even Jason knows that, adding: “They care about each other, they are deeply connected on a certain level and I would argue that — why do they need to hook up in order to validate the deep friendship they have? Think about it! They are already connected! That is how I feel about it!”
Jason Douglas (Tobin, C@rol’s love interest from season 6); February 16th, 2017; Hollywood Life (x)
“I turned into a little kid, it was like talking to your Mom…”
Norman Reedus; February 19th, 2017; Talking Dead for 7x10 on Daryl asking C@rol why she left (x).
“Because I feel like [C@ryl is] more of like a brother/sister… mother/son relationship.”
Josh Mc Dermitt; March 1st, 2017; WHOSAY (x) (x, skip to 16:27)
“There is a part of me that sees them both when they are with another as sort of a wounded child,” McBride said. “It’s like sometimes I see them when they joke together, or they’re happy together, or they’re sharing smokes together, or arguing together, being nit-picky together. I just see like Daryl could have reverted to that wounded child on the porch at the reunion, and I sometimes I see C@rol the same way, like a little girl almost, younger. […] “I think it is they’re wounded children, really get one another,” McBride said. “I don’t see her becoming a mother to him at all. I see her becoming that wounded friend.”
Melissa McBride; September 5th, 2017; comic book.com (x) (x)
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In addition, at the beginning of season 7 Melissa McBride explained that C@rol needed time to heal from all the killing before she could entertain a relationship (x). That’s a reason why C@rzekiel didn’t really happen until season 8. I don’t think it would be in character for her to enter a relationship so soon with anyone after her son was murdered and she ended her marriage. Daryl wouldn’t likely have romance on the brain as he is looking after Lydia. If he were pursue romance, it would be someone he’s already in love with, and that’s Beth.
Greg Nicotero’s thoughts on Alone at SDCC 2014:
When they pitched Season 4, they were talking about when the prison goes down and having Daryl and Beth be bunkered together. And it’s interesting because I get to see all the cuts and I see all the edits from the director’s cuts onward. And I loved the scene in the kitchen when they’re talking, and I got the sense that Daryl was starting to kind of fall in love with Beth a little.”
Emily’s thoughts on Bethyl for Insider October 2014:
“Last year, I definitely felt like there was a really special connection between Daryl and Beth that happened. My take on it was that there was a very deep growing connection that could become something more romantic or could become just … you know that was my personal understanding of it. I do feel like Beth has opened up to Daryl in a way that she hasn’t with other people and I do feel like Beth has never been really in love even though you’ve seen her with the two different boyfriends. I don’t think she’s ever been like, ‘grownup in love’ in the way that you feel like someone actually understands you and in sort of that special intimate way. And I do feel like she’s been closer to that with Daryl then with anyone else.”
Emily wrote a song from Beth’s POV called Last Chance, and it’s a love song with sexual overtones.While filming Still, Norman listened to Very Nervous and Love by J. Mascis for Daryl’s character and even pitched for the episode’s closing song.
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