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I was rewatching Frozen 1 + 2 the other day, and the following question popped into my head: What if Elsa had not created an eternal winter when she ran away from the palace?
Alright, Elsa runs away after having displayed her powers but doesn't accidentally freeze the country in her flight.
Initially not much actually changed.
There's still grumblings of "witch" and "what the fuck?" from the people present, not helped since Elsa fled the scene with no explanation, and they're still sending out a search party for the queen. It's no longer as vital, the country isn't in a sudden winter because of her, but it's still pretty vital as she was just coronated and oh good god succession nonsense.
Not helping is that, like canon, Anna wants to go after her sister as she sees her running off as her fault for having prompted the ice outburst (but also that Elsa's being very unreasonable and needs to come back and calm down). Everyone wants Anna to stay and er maybe be queen instead (as Elsa was only just crowned so no one's attached) and also because they need someone in charge and can't lose both heirs in one day but as in canon, Anna won't hear of it.
"Hans, you're in charge", Anna says, and takes off. Hans hopes both Anna and Elsa die in the mountains but also wonders if he can be king without actually having married into the family yet. This is going fast even for him.
Anna's trek is still treacherous as she's hiking up a glacier, but she might not run into Kristoff. If she doesn't, she probably doesn't make it and has a terrible accident on the way. If she does, they probably make worse time without the sleigh.
Regardless, Anna and Elsa still have their confrontation but this time Elsa doesn't have her freak out about "oh my god I made it eternal winter outside". Anna may be thrown out normally, in which case she doesn't have to rush to get true love's kiss and probably camps out on the glacier until Elsa comes home already. If there's a fight then the rest of the movie happens accordingly except that there's no blizzard and no pretext of killing Elsa to stop the winter.
So...
Basically, the movie happens.
It's just not 'frozen'.
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Anna's attention is on Agnarr, Elsa's is on Iduna, due the whole scene.
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What I never wanted was a situation in which they’d make a Frozen 3 that would act like a perfect conclusion to the franchise, but it would be a box office hit, so they’d decide later to make an unnecessary 4th one to make more money.
What I also wouldn’t want, however, is a Frozen 3 with such an ambitious and complex story idea that ends up overly condensed, rushed or simplified so that it can be cut to the standard 90 minutes, not given the space to breathe and develop properly.
So what does intrigue and excite me is this idea that they’ve come out with an idea so full of potential, with so much possibility to explore and expand the characters and their world, that they’re saying “what this story needs to be told at its best might have to be two films”. It sounds like they’re listening to what the story needs, and giving it that.
The potential is overwhelming and I’m so intrigued.
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Pt. 3 of who knows how many! Let’s over analyze Frozen 2 in honor of Frozen 3 being in production!
Alrighty, this one gets into my girl Elsa. Before I get started, please know that I love this character to death and see a lot of myself in her (the anxiety, not the magic) and I just think that, concerning storytelling, the second Frozen movie made some poor creative choices. Let’s get into it.
Let’s review, shall we? First film establishes that Elsa is isolated from her family and from people in general. She runs away when her super secret magic is accidentally revealed, sings a song about letting everything go and embracing that part of herself, does a bunch of stuff and, eventually, is reunited with her sister and they finally get the chance to catch up and make up for lost time. Great! Her arc is complete, she’s established and loved by her people and her family, which now consists of a sentient snowman, a reindeer, and her sister’s fiancé. Nice! Found family!
By this point, Elsa’s story doesn’t need anything, with the very minor point of her magic’s origin, but that’s hardly consequential because her magic isn’t going anywhere so it doesn’t matter. She’s got it now, so there’s nothing to be done.
The opening of Frozen 2 sets up the story similarly to the first film. Elsa is feeling isolated, but not in the same sense. She has responsibilities and family, but she feels like she’s missing out. Then the Voice thing happens and the story kicks off.
It’s dumb. It tries to undo all the progress Elsa made in the previous movie and in trying to make Elsa the focal character, they just rehash everything. Or try to. They make it worse this time.
Because at this point, Elsa has had her little family for three years and they should be growing closer and less inclined to want to go off. Elsa has love and purpose and, by all accounts from the first film, should be in a good spot.
Instead, in order to achieve the same success musically, they need the longing song and the other song that idina menzel sings because let’s be honest, that woman is amazing.
My issues with how Frozen 2 deals with Elsa mainly lie with how they present her once she’s been establish her as The Fifth Spirit. They elevate her to goddess status and remove her from her family, something that she hasn’t really had for more than half her life. And then, what? She moves in with a tribe and visits every now and again for family game night? What? What happened to the importance of family?
Also, what makes her the fifth spirit? She never even comes in contact with the earth spirit(s?) or “tames” them i don’t think. All the other spirits are distinctly not human and though they might have above average intelligence there’s certainly an imbalance because, y’know, Elsa’s human. And it’s pretty much implied that the spirits are eternal and ethereal. Not exactly something you see in a human who was born and struggles with mental health. She’s not a spirit! I got such a weird vibe off her in the end.
HOWEVER Elsa is a dynamite character and honestly I don’t blame them for wanting to put her in the spotlight. But what should they have done instead?
WHAT THE TRAILER ACTUALLY HINTED AT
There’s a line in the trailer that never gets said in the film and i’m pissed about it because it could’ve worked concerning the story and Elsa’s character and here it is:
“Magic can be very alluring.”
(or something like that)
Wouldn’t it make sense for Elsa, having finally learned to embrace her powers, to go the other direction and obsess over them? Wouldn’t that be interesting to watch? Wouldn’t it be cool to see Elsa do dangerous things with her magic, pushing herself to the edge of what would be considered sane or normal which then would lead to a search for the origins of her magic and in turn, more info on Trolls, magic, Kristoff, etc. Elsa, who has learned to love and be loved, might not initially listen to her family’s concerns, but maybe eventually she’ll cave because she doesn’t want them to worry and that works much better at showing how far she’s come over the past three years instead of putting her at square one yet again and then having her find something that traumatizes her yet again (so she can blame herself for her parents death and then “process” it by ditching her sister. Bleh what the heck)
Not only would it satisfy the story and kick it off in a great way, it would be very visually appealing and they could even do a whole sequence with a song and truly be the musical successor to “Let it go” It could even lead into her powers growing so strong and her skill with said strength growing so much but the end of that arc that it could lead into a third movie very easily because, I don’t know about you, but if one of my neighboring kingdoms had a queen with an insane amount of magic, I would either declare war out to protest her position or try to build an alliance and having that kind of storyline could still (eventually) lead to Anna becoming queen of Arendelle Elsa finding her place somewhere else or really just enjoying being by her sister’s side as advisor or general or something.
anyway, frozen 2 seems like it backtracks and almost retcons some of Elsa’s development so they can land her somewhere else and make her even more Special than the super-powered, musically inclined Queen she already was.
#frozen meta#frozen#frozen lore#frozen 2#frozen 3#anna#elsa#kristoff#olaf#sven#frozen analysis#character development#storytelling#character arcs#disney#walt disney
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i think my biggest decked out 2 meta thought is that the hermits are currently seriously undervaluing the ethereal cards on account of them losing them in the future, and in general undervaluing the entire crowns shop in favor of the frozen shards.
the thing is, they're right about moment of clarity; building up your permanent deck is more important than that temporary boost, and moment of clarity just doesn't do enough for any given run to be worth it if it's anything other than 'the only thing left you can afford'. they're right about that specific ethereal card.
the PROBLEM is that they're extending that calculus to the crowns shop. but that's not the same trade-off in the crowns shop! literally every item in the crowns shop is one-time use! so the ACTUAL trade-off there is "will this item i buy help me enough to make up for the number of dungeon runs it took to buy it". when you look at it like that, it becomes clear that frozen shards are probably a little overpriced if you're just going to run easy or medium, and are ESPECIALLY overpriced if you're not sure you can reliably win that run. eight crowns, especially early game, seems to currently take three or four runs to build up, and that's if you're lucky with treasure on all of them and win all of them!
meanwhile, three crowns is one or two runs - one if you're lucky, two if you're not, from what i've seen. for those three crowns, though, you can get one of the ethereal cards, which will then help ensure you win your next run, getting you to another permanent card. for a little more, you could get something like tango as the dungeon lackey, and REALLY amp up your ability to make sure you win a run.
now, later on in the game when treasure is more reliable and runs are more valuable, this calculus probably changes; suddenly, one extra run is worth a lot more than it currently is. it's just that one run RIGHT NOW is worth like, one common card and a crown, unless you add something to it to make it worth more, whereas a copy of like, pay to win, could bump a run up to an uncommon card, and that's way more valuable than an additional run, i think.
#hermitcraft#decked out 2#<- i should really have a unified tag so i've started making one#anyway love talking meta here. where absolutely no one who could use it will see it.#that sounds like a joke but it actually isn't this way i'm not directly backseating/metagaming lol#anyway for the record i totally get saving up for frozen shards instead#because. you know. content. extra run more content more fun.#BUT LISTEN ON A META LEVEL--
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The flood didn't stand a chance
#Tbh why couldn't the Nokk just STOP the water cuz he's like the water spirit?!#I know the meta reason why of course#Elsa#Nokk#frozen#disney frozen#frozen 2#disneyfeverdaily#frozensource#disneyedit#frozenedit#disneynetwork#fyeahdisney#disneydaily#disneygifsdaily#disneyfilms#animated disney gifs#animationsdaily#dailyanimation#dailyflicks#filmtvcentral#tvfilmdaily#princessdaily
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I think Dazai, while young, became attached to Natsume when Natsume was lonely and so was he (which is why he calls him Sensei in the Dark Era, like the protagonist in Kokoro); that Natsume brought Dazai to Mori after Dazai attempted suicide (which is why Dazai never touches him in Bar Lupin, why Natsume follows him from the Port Mafia to his meeting with Taneda and then to the Agency, why Dazai knows Natsume well enough to allude to his history to Tanizaki and to recieve the jump drive Natsume brings him in the Cannibalism arc— Dazai knows him); and that Natsume performed a partial skill transfer similar to Kyouka's mother to ensure it could not come that close ever again (and that's why Dazai is one of the few if not only touch/contact-based skill users whose is involuntary).
I think No Longer Human isn't merely nullification, I think (similar to how Bram's skill reverses death but through the framework of vampirism and Atsushi's slices skills and regenerates in addition to his transformations), there is more to Dazai's skill such that it precludes him from dying (which is why he can stand in front of a hail of bullets and be thrown by Chuuya through several buildings in the Port Mafia, why he can't seem to commit suicide successfully, why Kunikida and Chuuya remark on his preternatural inability to die, why Dazai says to both Atsushi and Fyodor with such certainty "you can't kill me," and, cheekily, why Kunikida tells Dazai in 55 Minutes "You're no longer human! You've lost that right!" when Dazai says he finally managed to die, however briefly).
I think Natsume's skill bends reality in the shape of the narrative structure over which he had such mastery and he decided that whoever he failed to snatch from the cyclical jaws of misery and suicide before (again, borrowing from Kokoro), he would not let this boy die; and how cruel that must have felt at first (which is why Dazai hates pain— he's been denied the easiest escape from it that he knows), but how reality bent to weave a narrative such that Dazai could be saved again and again in such a way that might shatter Koroko's inescapable loneliness (this is why, in 55 Minutes, it's implied HG Wells might not have existed, might have been an apparition from an earlier era, as if reality itself rippled space and time to reconjure someone who made sense to protect Dazai when it seemed unlikely anyone else could; why Akutagawa happened to have business there; why Akutagawa and Atsushi happened to cross paths).
It's well known that the titular cat in I Am a Cat is a calico. But, the story was based on Natsume's IRL cat, who was a black, striped cat. And aren't Dazai's bandages a little like stripes?
#bsd#bungo stray dogs#bsd dazai#bsd natsume#bsd meta#It's utter nonsense#But it would fracture the cycle presented in Kokoro#the plot is nonsense and the power scaling is silly and the escapes from certain doom are ridiculous because reality bends to save dazai#but while protected#dazai is frozen and unable to move forward#not unlike sleeping beauty preserved in her coffin of glass#and its atsushi's tiger#his relentless tiger that never lets him stop#that drags him forward#and akutagawa whose ability can eat space and who relentlessly strives to progress forward#who will conclusively shatter the cycle of loneliness imprisoning the narrative#anyway#is it anymore ridiculous than the rest of the story#because i dont think it is
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Cheng Yi, Zeng Shunxi, and Xiao Shunyao 2023-24 New Year's Eve + New Years gala photos
#if they are their characters they're positioned exactly where i imagined they'd be post canon#llh returns to the sea and fdb transforms/ travels and dfs returns to seclusion#dfs and llh are mirrors to each other while fdb has elements of both within him#with both llh and dfs becoming static and frozen in time it's up to fdb to bring movement to the board again#thematically descending into the dark or rising into the light???#speaking of which i need to work on that dfs meta#mysterious lotus casebook cast#zeng shunxi#xiao shunyao#cheng yi
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📍Iceland 🇮🇸
#video#nature#paradise#natureza#paraiso#view#lake#lago#snow#neve#river#canyons#winter#inverno#explore#travel#goals#meta#viajar#frozen#iceland#Islândia#sun#sol
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Iduna says “[]lie the answers[]” and looks at Anna. It's meant for her. Because Anna will need the answers when the hour comes.
And then Iduna turns around to Elsa and finishes: “[]and a path for you.” Ahtohallan is a path for Elsa.
The journey to Ahtohallan was meant for Elsa alone since the beginning. Anna is asleep; she's not there, she's in the dark, just like in the Lost Caverns years ahead. Only Iduna and Elsa remain.
And for Elsa, who's awake, there's a destiny of the Fifth Spirit she will follow, but also a warning of her mythical tragic sacrifice.
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Fixing & Empathy
This is a long one- and of course, I'm talking about the table scene. But it's such a great example here.
How Carmy connects with Syd and Claire shows the difference between Empathy and Fixing. Fixing is our instinct when our partner is in feelings of discomfort; we sympathize and try to see the silver lining for this person; we want to solve their problems instead of sitting in pain with our partner. Empathy, you're showing someone you care and understand; it's finding something within you to connect to the other person. This is the art of vulnerability.
Fixing
Claire: When we were, like, six, she, uh, fell off a fence and broke her arm, and it scared the sh¡t out of everybody? Except me, I just, like, sat there and stared at her arm.
Carmy: 'Cause you wanted to fix it?
Claire: I wanted to understand it.
Carmy: Right.
This has become my favorite interaction of the Claire & Carmy storyline. It's the summary of their relationship, a foreshadowing, if you will.
If I fill in the blanks, she is a fixer, at least in romantic relationships. I know Molly said with Carmy it's the first time Claire has stood up for herself. Maybe that's what she means: Claire wants to fix her partners; she's an enabler, as @moodyeucalyptus said. Enabling is when someone else will always fix, solve, or make the consequences disappear, and I noticed this dynamic in 2x08.
2x08: She listens to his problems and reminds him that everything is fine the night after his panic attack. When Claire asks Carmy what he's thinking about. He can't be honest that he's still thinking about the suppression test because she will attempt to fix it. He does not trust her with his feelings of discomfort. The fixing Claire does is futile support.
The way she attempts to fix Carmy, we hear through Carmy himself. A panic attack about his family gatherings - Claire's solution is finding a new meaning, making the cannolis your own. chaos menu? Could you try making it something you care about?
Can she truly understand and connect with what he's feeling? Carmy not defining their relationship could mean the lack of a bond on Carmy's part.
Part of the solution to Carmy's dilemmas on the show lies in connecting - moving out of the constant state of isolation.
Connection improves Carmy; when he initiates contact, he becomes a better version of himself. He stops screaming, gets out of his head, and can provide for others and inspire them.
All the above matches what he does for Tina, Richie, Marcus, Ebrahim, and most of all, Sydney.
It's like what Luca says in 2x04- being inspired by someone, bettering ourselves because of the person next to us- and really getting out there in the world means opening ourselves up to other people, which is what Carmy and Syd do for each other- they use empathy as a source of bonding.
Blocking was talked about for their scenes before, how one always initiates closeness- Carmy usually does that, especially in season 2. That need for contact - touching Syd on her back and shoulders - shows Carmy's longing for closeness with Sydney.
Before I get to empathy, Here's the thing: I know people hate to say that Carmy relies on Sydney or that she's his peace argument, but this does not mean Sydney actively tries to fix Carmy. Just Sydney's presence ignites change in him; just by her honesty, he's willing to try and be there for someone and get out of that place where he's hiding within himself. Sometimes, it's forgotten that social isolation can impact our mental health, and bonding with others can make positive changes.
Empathy
"...empathy is kind of this sacred space. When someone's kind of in a deep hole, and they shout out from the bottom, and they say hey it's dark, I'm overwhelmed, and then we look, and we say, "Hey," we come down."I know what it's like down here, and you're not alone."
-Brene Brown
I talked about the table scene fifty-eleven times. It makes a great example of the connection Carmy feels to Sydney.
When we're with people - our person - they make us want to be better. We don't fear a future; we expect a future with this person. There's this knowing Carmy has about Sydney; he knows whatever this relationship is, they'll work on it.
Carmy & Sydney show us the correct way to deal with your partner's feelings is empathy- listening to one another, instead of correcting emotions- you get in the hole- or table with them and express your own fears. He leaves space for Sydney to share her concerns and doesn't try to correct those feelings. He affirms and tells her he's right there with her (I fuck things up all the time), and he's honest- the without-you dialogue isn't just to make her feel better. It's his own moment of vulnerability.
When Carmy says I won't let you, I think he will hold his side and make it easier so they can fix themselves. All while empathizing with each other during their partnership.
Writing this makes the scene of the walk-in even more heartbreaking. Carmy was in the dark hole- calling for Sydney to bond with him; they couldn't help each other :(.
This is why I can't blame Carmy for screaming at Richie; he sort of begged Richie for empathy, but Richie judged him- causing panic at that moment and more isolation.
Though the end of season two was heartbreaking, I have faith we'll get more intimate, empathetic scenes despite the fall in season two.
This is a roundabout way to say- whether they end up together romantically or not (they will i just say this for the sycarmy doubters), Carmy pretty much confirms his bond with Sydney is unlike any other he's experienced, and no one can replace what he feels for her- even if someone is sitting at their table.
SIDEBAR: Read this insightful post by @bioloyg about Carmy fixing himself.
I've referenced Brene Brown's Empathy Vs. Sympathy
#the bear meta#sydcarmy#the bear fx#anticlaire#carmy x sydney#carmy berzatto#carmen berzatto#sydney x carmy#chefs kiss#i think the sydcarmy tag is frozen
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Callie and Lars sibling bond, argue with the wall.
#Callie Spengler#Lars Pinfield#Ghostbusters#Ghostbusters: Afterlife#Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire#Meta
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quick, what are you thinking about RIGHT NOW
.....sifo-dyas😖🫣
#LOOK BUT I'M WRITING FIC OKAY NOT JUST LIKE META THOUGHTS#writing a line where Dooku is putting him down in a half-frozen puddle and he's such a cold unhappy little meow meow#the whump fic is going great
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alrighty here’s another post about all my perceived problems with Frozen 2 in honor of Frozen 3 being in production.
The initial and overarching plot point of Frozen 2 is the origins of Elsa’s power. The pinnacle of her journey is reached about 3/4 of the way through the Show Yourself sequence and she steps on the snowflake and, for some reason, sees her dead mom. Not gonna lie, the four spirits/fifth spirit thing is low key dumb.
Okay, let’s break it down. As per my last post, let’s say that Queen Iduna is not Northuldra. Let’s say she and the king (whose name escapes me) did not die on an expedition to discover the origin of Elsa’s power which would, in turn, give Elsa more guilt and fear which she doesn’t even really get to process. (this is another post altogether)
Instead, let’s say the King and Queen simply dedicated themselves to following the instructions they assumed they got from the trolls after the Childhood Incident. They went off to a wedding or some other important thing and, keeping with those instructions, left their children at home, Elsa because she needed to be contained and Anna because she’s younger or something.
Elemental magic is not new to the Frozen universe. In fact, within the first 10 minutes of the film, we’re given a sneak peak which is hinted at again later on in the movie.
When the king and queen find Anna after Elsa accidentally hits her with her magic, it takes the king all of 20 seconds to be like, “I know where we have to go” (despite having to rifle through his library, but that’s a whole other thing)
The king associates elemental magic with the trolls. And with apparent good reason because Grand Pabbie offers wisdom that gets grossly misinterpreted, but the point stands! The trolls have magic and knowledge about it! Amazing!
Later on in the movie when Kristoff and Anna and co. show up at the troll place, when greeting one of the younger trolls, we get this:
It gets brushed aside because we get the lovely gem of “I passed a kidney stone” immediately after and then Anna draws the attention away from the trolls and the story goes on. BUT! The baby troll earned a fire crystal! Elemental magic! Don’t you think that if the king and queen wanted to discover the origin of Elsa’s magic, that the trolls would be the first stop? If Grand Pabbie can adjust Anna’s memories, certainly he can figure out why Elsa has magic, right? The king and queen never asked, so Grand Pabbie never tried. If Grand Pabbie looked further at Elsa, maybe at her soul or something he could see something and maybe we could get some cool troll lore (which we would get anyway if the second film put the focus on Kristoff) and cool magic lore with something that was established IN THE FIRST FILM.
(One of my biggest pet peeves is when sequels are made with little to no consideration of what the first installment accomplished and too much consideration for what people liked about the first one. Because then they just try to emulate the same energy and the storytelling aspect gets pushed to the back burner.)
Anyway, i’m having way too much fun over analyzing this stuff, see y’all in pt. 3
#frozen#frozen 2#frozen 3#disney#elsa#anna#trolls#magic#frozen meta#sven#kristoff#olaf#iduna#frozen lore#walt disney
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natsume's book of friends is the hurt/comfort show of all time. not necessarily for the characters, but for me as a viewer. it hurts me, deeply, emotionally, spiritually, and then it heals me, often in the exact same instant. not in the way where they cancel each other out, but in that way where you remain forever the person who was hurt and the person who was loved through the hurt. like okay. i am literally just Sitting Here. what the fuck. who came up with this. is that allowed
#who's loving me through the hurt? that's easy. it's me. i'm loving me through the hurt.#by watching and loving natsume takashi i am loving the me who was hurt by watching and loving natsume takashi#this show should come with a surgeon general's warning#natsume's book of friends#my posts#f#hurt comfort#natsume yuujinchou#not me taking severe psychic damage every time natsume alludes to the social skills he taught himself so that people would#simply continue to let him exist in proximity to them#and then also not me immediately being healed by the fact that he is thinking these thoughts while walking alongside his friends#his FRIENDS. he has friends now. i am being flash-frozen and roasted over a low flame simultaneously#natsuyuu meta
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Apologies for the disorganized ask but - how much (if at all) do you think the golden trio understand the experiences their siblings have re Logan’s abuse? I’ve been rewatching Succession to cope with the show ending and I noticed there’s this kind of warped view the siblings seem to have of each other (for example, Ken and Rome’s view of Shiv being treated better as the girl and favorite or Shiv and Rome believing Ken is treated better because of how close Logan keeps him at times like S2). I’ve also noticed a lot of Logan’s abuse tends to happen in one-on-one scenes as well (meaning other characters are not privy to those exchanges) and the times it’s brought up is by “witness” characters as opposed to the character who experienced the abuse (inherently to my read meaning that if acts are not witnessed, we tend not to hear about it). Do you think this has impacted how each of Roman, Shiv and Ken view each other?
I don’t think it’s a disorganised ask at all, anon, I think you’ve really hit the nail on the head in the sense that the Golden Trio don’t have a clear sense of each other’s experiences of abuse, nor more broadly of each other’s relationship with Logan at all. A lot of this is, of course, the fact that Logan’s parenting style seems to have been divide and conquer as that’s been the way he’s managed to control the people and the world around him, but in a lot of ways I think it’s symptomatic too of Logan’s own experience of abuse. Logan’s childhood was one of separation after all – from parent, from brother, from sister, sometimes in death, sometimes by force – and I think in a lot of respects, that division is to him a complicated cocktail of love and self-hatred (I think the funeral ep in particular made clear that Logan sent Roman away in the same way Noah had sent him, and whether that was out of punishment or self-hatred or in an effort to try and make Roman strong like he felt he was we could speculate forever).
Of course, it’s also the very ethos of the show that the past is made up. There are no objective truths in a personal history, which means there can be no shared understanding of what an experience was. The show plays around with memory all the time – Logan telling Roman he didn’t even hit him, Shiv and Caroline having different understandings of when Caroline and Logan divorced, the scripts showing us that the memory of the kids being shown their own crying faces in the mirror is attributed to different parents by different kids (Logan for Kendall, Caroline for Shiv) – and it seems to understand at its core that memory is inherently personal.
Add to that that children experiencing trauma often face developmental delays and memory loss (funnily enough, I just did a whole course on this for work), and neither the kids nor Logan ever really stood a chance.
But yes, more to the point of your question, haha, I do think the Golden Trio know that Logan ruined them, I think they know that his abuse was real, and I think they have a sort of vague idea of what buttons to push with each other because they’ve seen that behaviour modelled for them – know how to lean on Shiv’s gender and perceived politics and Kendall’s emotional vulnerability and mental health, and Roman’s mother issues and runt of the litter title – but I don’t think any of them have ever unpicked the reasons they do it beyond the fact that it’s ingrained in the DNA of the family, or have any deeper sense of what it means. They’ve been trained to sniff out each other’s weak spots, but they’ve also been trained to think only in the context of what that means for them personally.
We see that all the time, but especially I think in s2 when Kendall’s at his lowest and we see both Roman and Shiv feel threatened by Logan and Kendall’s seeming new closeness, but there’s a reticence to actually think about why or what it means beyond their own precarious places in the family unit. They’ve been raised in competition, and they’ve been taught to weaponise even the most personal of tragedies, which is exactly what Shiv does when she weaponises the waiter’s death in the finale, and Kendall does exactly what he’s been taught to do too which is re-write a memory in a way that makes what he did bearable. It’s tragic and it’s inherent to the show’s sense of identity, power and abuse – after all, how can you ever truly see each other when what you’ve been through and what you’ve done can be turned into nothing at all?
#i do think their conscious view of each other is very much shaped by logan#but i do too think there's a subconscious view of each other too which is frozen in childhood#but this show really is arrested development the tragic version haha#i love it sooo much and miss it already#hbo succession#cw abuse#kendall roy#shiv roy#roman roy#logan roy#succession meta#welcome to my ama
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