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hellneedsaruler · 1 year
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We always talk about fics that make you wonder if the author had seen the show but we never talk about fics that make you wonder if YOU had seen the show
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wonder-worker · 1 month
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"[Elizabeth Woodville's] piety as queen seems to have been broadly conventional for a fifteenth-century royal, encompassing pilgrimages, membership of various fraternities, a particular devotion to her name saint, notable generosity to the Carthusians, and the foundation of a chantry at Westminster after her son was born there. ['On other occasions she supported planned religious foundations in London, […] made generous gifts to Eton College, and petitioned the pope to extend the circumstances in which indulgences could be acquired by observing the feast of the Visitation']. One possible indicator of a more personal, and more sophisticated, thread in her piety is a book of Hours of the Guardian Angel which Sutton and Visser-Fuchs have argued was commissioned for her, very possibly at her request."
-J.L. Laynesmith, "Elizabeth Woodville: The Knight's Widow", "Later Plantagenet and Wars of the Roses Consorts: Power, Influence, Dynasty"
#historicwomendaily#elizabeth woodville#my post#friendly reminder that there's nothing indicating that Elizabeth was exceptionally pious or that her piety was 'beyond purely conventional'#(something first claimed by Anne Crawford who simultaneously claimed that Elizabeth was 'grasping and totally lacking in scruple' so...)#EW's piety as queen may have stood out compared to former 15th century predecessors and definitely stood out compared to her husband#but her actions in themselves were not especially novel or 'beyond normal' and by themselves don't indicate unusual piety on her part#As Laynesmith's more recent research observes they seem to have been 'broadly conventional'#A conclusion arrived at Derek Neal as well who also points out that in general queens and elite noblewomen simply had wider means#of 'visible material expression of [their] personal devotion' - and also emphasizes how we should look at their wider circumstances#to understand their actions (eg: the death of Elizabeth's son George in 1479 as a motivating factor)#It's nice that we know a bit about Elizabeth's more personal piety - for eg she seems to have developed an attachment to Westminster Abbey#It's possible her (outward) piety increased across her queenship - she undertook most of her religious projects in later years#But again - none of them indicate the *level* of her piety (ie: they don't indicate that she was beyond conventionally pious)#By 1475 it seems that contemporaries identified Cecily Neville as the most personally devout from the Yorkist family#(though Elizabeth and even Cecily's sons were far greater patrons)#I think people also assume this because of her retirement to Westminster post 1485#which doesn't work because 1) we don't actually know when she retired? as Laynesmith says there is no actual evidence for the traditional#date of 12 February 1487#2) she had very secular reasons for retiring (grief over the death of her children? her lack of dower lands or estates which most other#widows had? her options were very limited; choosing to reside in the abbey is not particularly surprising. it's a massive and unneeded jump#to claim that it was motivated solely by piety (especially because it wasn't a complete 'retirement' in the way people assume it was)#I think historians have a habit of using her piety as a GOTCHA!' point against her vilification - which is a flawed and stupid argument#Elizabeth could be the most pious individual in the world and still be the pantomime villain Ricardians/Yorkists claim she was#They're not mutually exclusive; this line of thinking is useless#I think this also stems from the fact that we simply know very little about Elizabeth as an individual (ie: her hobbies/interests)#certainly far less than we do for other prominent women Margaret of Anjou; Elizabeth of York;; Cecily Neville or Margaret Beaufort#and I think rather than emphasizing that gap of knowledge her historians merely try to fill it up with 'she was pious!'#which is ... an incredibly lackluster take. I think it's better to just acknowledge that we don't know much about this historical figure#ie: I do wish that her piety and patronage was emphasized more yes. but it shouldn't flip too far to the other side either.
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acerunaway · 7 days
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new OC for my friend's pathfinder 2e campaign. he has amnesia (classic) and has been stabbed in the gut at least once per session
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opens-up-4-nobody · 2 months
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#so my mom's wake thing was today and that was a lot. not in an emotional sense but in a im standing here talking for 3hrs#to ppl i dont kno or barely kno. ya kno? but it was good bc so many ppl showed up to talk abt her#so many people. my mom made a huge impact on the school system. so many ppl relied on her. she encouraged at least 2 ppl to get their#master. for one person to specilize in helping the dyslexic after her experience advocating for 3 dyslexic daughters. she wrote and was#awarded a 10000 dollar grant for special needs and intervention curriculum. which will affect so many lives.#everyone loved her. she's gonna get a track meet named after her and a scholarship created in her honor.#she was an amazing person and she affected a lot of lives and im glad she was my mom. and she raised at least one jem in my littlest#sister who is so sweet and is a great teacher. god but there was some weird stuff too. were pretty sure her old boss was in love with her.#and there were some weird comments abt her being a strong woman or this woman doing so much and its like hm y do i detect a note of sexism#y not say she was an amazing person? y the surprise? weird comments about how pretty i looked. which yes i looked great lol. my funeral fit#was cute. we did bright colors bc it was a celebration not a dower event. and im sure it was ment well but it was a lil weird. and then#everyone was telling my grandma what a great job she did raising my mom and like god fuck off she didn't do jack. my mom was great despite#her terrible mother. ugh. but altogether it was good that everyone was able to express their love for her. it was def a day that was for#them mostly. i mean partly for us but mostly for them. none of us even cried. ay but we have 2 more parties in her honor#bc everyone loved her so much we have to do one in her hometown too. plus a personal friends get together. ugh. im so tired#i wish i wasnt the most awkward. eye contact avoidant person in the room but like ya kno. what can ya do?#unrelated
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nighttimepatrons · 7 months
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Erestor doing a silly little dance because he can, actually.
Don't interrupt him, he's doing the wave
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Jeremy Dower
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princess-lointaine · 1 year
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crystal earrings by dower and hall.
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icecreamartist · 2 months
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✨📚 Rebecca Dowers 📚✨
✨ Redrew one of my old Ocs~
Meet Rebecca Dowers, She's an American mink.
Rebecca is the daughter of a rich family, her parents are Henrik and Eliza Dowers.
She works as a museum tourist guide, her love for traveling, learning about different cultures,art and history knows no bounds.
Hope y'all like her✨💕
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blackboar · 10 months
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It is said that Elizabeth's pension, land, and expenses in York were very low, resulting in her often having to borrow money from others for a few pounds. Her personal wallet often only had a few pounds. Henry VII embezzled the land of the York family, and Elizabeth's sisters had no dowry and could only rely on the help of the queen. Henry VII gave Elizabeth very few gifts compared to other English kings, and how was Elizabeth's situation compared to other English queens and other countries? Is this true?
Wow, my first question ever! Thank you :)
Well, I need to tag @richmond-rex who's far more a Henry VII-Elizabeth of York expert than me, but I'll give my answer.
Elizabeth of York's finances were more than most of her predecessors a sensitive subject. Her marriage wasn't conventional as she was badly needed to legitimize her husband. Hence her treatment was to be even more sensitive than the treatment of a classic queen, usually of foreign origin. Perkin Warbeck and his entourage knew this, as he wrote in his manifesto alongside many grievances alleged mistreatment of his sisters, including Elizabeth.
Henry VII had a vested interest in having a queen capable of maintaining her rank because she was the bridge between him and the followers of Edward IV, who won't tolerate any perceived or actual mistreatment of their late ruler's daughter. Henry had a bumpy road in ensuring Elizabeth's funding as he inherited empty coffers from Richard III. Elizabeth Wydeville's early (or forced?) retirement in 1487 might have been a way to ensure her daughter's finances.
We don't have the greatest sources for late medieval times regarding finance, but we know that Elizabeth's holdings were significant. She did enjoy the traditional estates of English queens (around 10 000 marks), followed by numerous help and loans from her husband that weren't repaid. He also bought her numerous gifts (horses, jewellery, etc...). Elizabeth of York wasn't poor but she wasn't massively endowed either. We aren't sure whether there were moments of financial shortage for Elizabeth considering finance medieval bookkeeping mostly records spending way more than income. There could have been moments when her finances were strained and it's true that Elizabeth died in 1502, right when Tudor finances started to skyrocket. I do not know where you saw that EoY had less gifts from her husband compared to her predecessor. If you have a source, I'm interested! Otherwise, it's normal in medieval times to make small loans as people often didn't have cash immediately on hand and there could be short time of deficit. What we have about her finances and her patronage shows that she wasn't badly treated. As this issue is political, another proof is the reaction of the political community. Former Yorkists didn't complain about her treatment and didn't see her as mistreated, which is proof of good financial treatment. Her probable good relationship with her husband is another proof considering they wouldn't be so devoted toward each other if there were money issues. Recall that dysfunctional royal marriages impact their financial matters and vice-versa, from Isabel of France to Catherine of Aragon. I do not know how Elizabeth would compare to other queens, but she wasn't underfunded for her English predecessors and successors. She had more wealth than her mother, and slightly less advantages than Margaret of Anjou (who had tax franchises but was in a completely different situation) but more cash.
So my conclusion is that she wasn't financially mistreated and could maintain her rank. The idea that she was stems from Henry VII's rapacious reputation and accusations made by failed pretenders to separate Yorkist loyalists from Tudor rule.
Again, thanks for the question!
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effervescent-au · 6 months
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@baggygoose drew the scene from chapter four in which Lach accidentally catcalls his captain instead of Dew.
Look at his face lol
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cursedpinterest · 2 years
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still thinking about that post like… ive worked and volunteered with children a lot, and yeah there are some kids that are rude and misbehave, but that’s not their fault… like it’s their parents job to take care of and nurture them, and teach them healthy socialization skills and if you’re experiencing kids that are little menaces, it’s definitely the parents fault!!! they don’t come out the womb eager to be horrible! i cut off the post bc the op went on to describe all little boys as having an obsession with violence and inflicting pain which is just so weird. like kids that are “violent” often have underlying issues that are causing them to act like this, one of them being abuse. and to act like this a boy-only thing??? ive been slapped by little girls, ive seen little girls rip limbs off their toys and smash them to the ground. and where i don’t see a huge issue with being rough with their own toys, it is again not indicative of their person and, idk, morality? but rather how they are being treated. anyways, i desperately hope that person isn’t actively working in any childcare spaces bc there are enough assholes working with kids and we don’t need any more.
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pinkeoni · 10 months
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Another note I didn’t add on the “realism” post but while the Duffers are trying to capture real emotions and experiences the show still follows the typical three-act-structure-hero’s-journey to the letter and the Duffers are total cornballs, so yes I do advocate for plenty of dark elements in the lead up but the idea of a happy ending is still pretty believable
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wonder-worker · 6 months
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Lands were also important to the queen in nonfinancial terms. Whilst landed income provided the wherewithal to demonstrate benevolence and dispense patronage and gifts, among other things, the lands themselves enabled the queen to build and maintain a power base. As previously stated, patronage could help the queen to build relationships and connections, thereby enabling the construction of networks. However, (Margaret of Anjou)'s landownership had an additional element. People and places lay at the heart of any power base and certain of Margaret’s dower lands gave her a foothold in regions that were not traditionally part of the queen’s dower. For example, Margaret’s many holdings in the Midlands gave her the opportunity to build and establish networks in lands that had not before experienced the queen’s reach. Her standing as a landholder in this region may well have proved to be a supporting factor in her attempt to move the court there following a number of crises in the 1450s, including the king’s bout of insanity and the first Battle of St. Albans. Such action on the queen’s part suggests that she felt supported in the region and secure in the knowledge that the royal power base there was firm.
Michele Seah and Katia Wright,“The Medieval English Queen as a Landowner”, “Women and Economic Power in Premodern European Courts”
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hockeytown-gifs · 10 months
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If sports didn't exist... 2 - Detroit Red Wings - July 2023
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mlarayoukai · 19 days
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Awesome I love waking up to my dad verbally abusing my mom
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olivermorningstar · 4 months
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20 & 30?
20: A song that has many meanings to you
Ooo the first one that sprung to mind is a bit of a bummer, I'm afraid.
My Immortal - Evanescence
While I know this song is meant to be mourning a lover, my first association is a friend's funeral, so it always reads to me as a mother mourning a child instead. It's also just a loss song for me in general. It's a pretty potent one!
30: A song that reminds you of yourself
Dammit - blink-182
If there is one thing consistent in my life, it's that I'm damn unlucky! It's a song I found during a low point that was just yeah... Yeah me too buddy.
While things are better than they were at that point, I still feel that from time to time! But as the song says, these moments that absolutely suck are a part of growing up!
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