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charmedslayer · 5 months

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ANGEL (1999-2004)

#atsedit #angeledit #dailyflicks #zanisummers #usercande #userveronika #userlix #userbbelcher #useroptional #userstream #ats #angel the series #angel #harmony kendall #tv shows #*mine #ats 5x01 #ats s5

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whatisyourchildhoodtrauma · 1 year

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ANGEL THE SERIES | 5.14 “Smile Time”

#ats #atsedit #dailyats #angel ats #the fang gang #angel the series #tuserjana #userellie2 #usersiesie #userseeleybooth #usershades #usershannen #cwladsdaily #cinematv #tvfilmsource #filmtvcentral #mine #ats s5 #ats 5x14

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kingbuffy · 1 year

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Overall, I prefer the way they handled Spike getting his soul over Angel's because he's not really interested in becoming a hero. Sure, he's horrified by his past actions, but he's not trying to be the champion, ya know? Spike gives the vibes of a guy that's cool with being Buffy's sidekick. She's the hero, the chosen one, he's just a guy that's by her side. That's just more fun to me personally. Angel s5 after sometime seemed to forget that about Spike and just tried to make him another Angel. And it doesn't work, it feels weird. Like that's just not who Spike is really. He'll help save the world yeah, but he’s not seeking redemption or heroism like Angel is. I think I just find that more interesting.

#spike btvs #spike ats #btvs #ats #ats s5

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desicat-writer · 19 days

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Spike: what if I break your trust someday?

Angel: Trusting you is my decision. Proving me wrong is yours.

#incorrect buffy #buffy the vampire slayer #spangel #ats s5

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alfapratt · 8 months

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favourite Angel episodes featuring Spike fom last to first

#10 ● A Hole in the World | S5E15

#9 ● Time Bomb | S5E19

#8 ● Underneath | S5E17

#7 ● Harm's Way | S5E09

#6 ● Damage | S5E11

#5 ● Destiny | S5E08

#4 ● In the Dark | S1E03

#3 ● Smile Time | S514

#2 ● The Girl in Question | S5E20

#1 ● Life of the Party | S5E05

#ats #btvs #angel the series #angel #ats S1 #ats S5 #angel S1 #angel S5 #spike #william pratt #william the bloody #ranking #mine

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herinsectreflection · 1 year

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The point of bringing Spike back in Angel S5 (beyond the obvious meta reason that they wanted to bring over a popular character from Buffy) is to complete his heroic arc by forcing him into the same Sisyphean loop that Buffy and Angel have been in. It does not ruin his sacrifice in Chosen, it improves it, because it reminds us that the noble sacrificial death is the easy option. It's easy to die in a blaze of glory. The hard part is carrying on. It's doing heroism every day, over and over, even when nobody notices and even when it doesn't make a difference. It surprises me when I see people criticising it who also defend the choice to bring Buffy back after The Gift, because it's really the same situation. Buffy's Gift is Spike's Chosen. Spike carrying on in Angel is just carrying on his arc of learning from and therefore becoming Buffy. He wants to be done, to be finished, but the point of the show is that there is no "finished". You have to go on living.

"I knew that everyone I cared about was all right. I knew it. Time didn't mean anything, nothing had form... but I was still me, you know? And I was warm and I was loved... and I was finished. Complete."

- Buffy Summers, 6x02 After Life

"Can't a man die in peace without some high almighty deciding it's not his time. Let's have a little more fun with him, eh? You think that saving the sodding world would be enough to earn me a rest"

- Spike, Angel 5x02 Just Rewards

This is why it's so important that he comes over to Angel, and comes to understand a more nuanced view of heroism. He needs to understand that being a Champion isn't achieved through one Great Redemptive Act like getting a soul, or saving the world, or drinking from a Cup of Destiny. It's something you have to choose every day, do it over and over, and there is no end goal. Him growing to learn this, to face up to the reality of his history in Damage, to see an alternate path for himself in his actions with "Doyle", to unpick himself from comparisons to Angel, to choose to fight in the finale with no expectations of reward... it's not a perfect arc but it is far more compelling than what we saw from him in S7.

#spike #ats s5 #ats #meta #just rewards

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fallinginaforrest · 11 months

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Angel S5 Episode 16: "Shells"

A comic-style sketch (Inspired by the 2019 Boom! Studios Buffyverse) based on Illyria's Dialogue in this episode

llyria: "This is important to you. Things have names. The shell... Winifred Burkle... she can't return to you" Wesley: "i know" Illyria: "Yet there are fragments. when her brain collapsed, electrical spasms channelled into my function system... memories... 'Wesley... Why can't i stay?'."

Sketch + Lineart

2. Base Colouring

3. Shading and Background

4. Dialogue

Voila!! One heart wrenching Episode of Television condensed into a comic panel that makes me want to cry. Exeunt Robin to the song "A Place Called Home"

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gh-0-stcup · 1 year

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The Spangel moment that makes me most insane

Spike: Never much cared for you, Liam. Even when we were evil.

Angel: *softly* Cared for you less.

Spike: Fine!

Angel: Good.

These fuckers lmao.

#💀#and you get those flashbacks where they both very much cared for each other #and it's legit canon they fucked #ppl say s5 spangel are an old married couple #but they're clearly catty divorcés #angel was contractually obligated to be a massive asshole to spike this season #because the writers couldn't figure out a way to make angel be the least bit understanding towards spike #without the two of them fucking before the season was through #ats s5 #yes my rage has finally subsided #spangel

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midnight-mismanagement · 1 year

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Just thinking about how Angel views Spike is sort of loosely mirrored by how Spike views Dana. In ats s5, Angel knows Spike has a soul like him but he doesn’t believe in Spike’s ability to do any good and constantly questions or belittles his motivations. Because he knows that having a soul does not equate to being a good person, and he literally has only seen Spike at his worst, plus a part of him doesn’t believe in himself either. It’s not the soul that makes the man/vampire, it’s what you do with it and yourself. People with souls do terrible things all the time. Angel continuously flip flops between insisting on the dichotomy between himself and Angelus, and also accepting that Angelus is a part of him. Sometimes it’s like, no it wasn’t me, it was Angelus, and other times it’s like, but I feel bad for everything Angelus has done and what does it say about me that I was capable of that, even though yeah, evil. And Spike’s presence only accentuates that questioning of greyness, the space between the dichotomy. And on the outside, Spike makes the impression that he’s past feeling guilty for stuff he did when he was soulless, but he isn’t, and never will be, just like Angel, but they cope, or fail at coping with it in different ways. Spike acts like it isn’t there and Angel stews in it.

So then where Dana comes in, Spike says “she’s one of us now, she’s a monster,” because he also doubts his ability to be more than what he was, and there is the knowledge that no matter what Spike and Angel do, it won’t make up for what they’ve done. And Angel says “she was an innocent victim,” and Spike says “so were we, once upon a time.” It is the cycle of being hurt and hurting others to not be hurt anymore, to have control and not be vulnerable. And it is the breaking of that cycle, despite knowing there’s no shiny Shanshu “you’ve finally made it, you did good” at the end of it all.

#just thinking about projecting self-doubt and self-condemnation onto others #delicious foils #we are the same but not #and I hate what I see of myself in you #absolute disasters #angel #spike #angel ats #spike btvs #ats #ats s5 #dana ats #just thinking about dana believing spike destroyed her and spike believing angel made him a monster #and they’re both right and wrong #Dana wasn’t hurt by spike directly but she’s a mouthpiece for those he did #and Spike recognizes this #it is the questioning of culpability and recognizing both influence and autonomy

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wikiangela · 1 year

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ngl I could see Fred with Spike before I'd even wanna look in the direction of Fred with Wesley lmao

like, I don't think I ship it, but Fred and Spike are having some moments rn and arguably having more natural chemistry than Wes and Fred ever had sns

#Angel season 5 #fred burkle #winifred burkle #spike btvs #Angel s5 #ats #ats s5 #angel tv series #angel the show #911 fox #buffyverse #watching buffy

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theowritesfiction · 2 years

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reading the episode summaries for s5 of ats on buffyverse wiki has truly felt like reading the world's worst fanfic. Honestly, if this was a fanfic, I think it would probably be widely mocked to this very day.

the amount of salt Angel produces re: Spuffy, would be enough to provide the entire world's supply for decades to come. it's hard to remember a worse writing misfire where the creators think they are writing a sympathetic hero, only to end up with a selfish, loathsome and petty proselytizing scumbag with delusions of grandeur.

also, I don't know how accurate this is, but I came across this passage in the wiki:

Spike explains that he was going to boat it to Europe and track down Buffy, but then realized he'll never be able to top an exit that involved dying in a blaze of glory saving the world. He also feels his sacrifice would be cheapened if Buffy was to find out he wasn't actually dead.

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WAIT WHAT

no are you serious did that REALLY happen? like, unironically, or...

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂

#ats s5 #ats critical #anti angel #comically bad writing

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charmedslayer · 3 months

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#married

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stellernorth · 3 months

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we don't talk enough about that little freak duo of ben edlund demons from season five of angel the series

#post i made #ats #ats s5

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kingbuffy · 2 years

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"I thought it'd be really funny to kill Amy," Joss Whedon explains. He and the other writers decided to kill the character of Fred so that Amy Acker could "play somebody new, somebody who's regal and scary and different than anything she's gotten to do on the show. The best way to do that of course is to kill her and have her become somebody else."

ANGEL Season Five DVD Collection REVIEW (February 6, 2012)

I think this really shows how little weight Fred's character held in his mind. He said he cried like a baby writing the script for this episode, but let's remember two things: the whole episode, Fred barely has any presence in her own damn death episode. The entire runtime we see drawn out segments of male pain and how hurt they are. This episode should've been about Fred, and it wasn’t.

"I cried man tears when I wrote it, and when I filmed it and when I edited it...it's one of the most beautiful things I've ever filmed."

And the second thing: he would never do this to a main male character. Taking a fully fleshed character that he spent years putting his heart into, just to kill him and keep his actor to play the opposite of what he was? Absolutely not. He would never. Because those characters hold weight to him, he may have made himself sad killing her but her character journey and arc and presence probably meant nothing to him. Just like Cordelia, Fred was always going to be expendable regardless of how well written she was. He gave us a self-indulgent, weirdly voyeuristic slideshow of dudes punching holes in walls and crying, and he really thinks it was one of the most beautiful things he'd ever written.

#her death breaks the narrative of the last season too #lliyria came in way too late to get fully invested in and even tho she replaced fred she's not what call a main character like fred was #so it effectively make the entire cast of main characters a complete sausage fest #Harmony at least keeps things a little light but again i wouldn't call her a main like the rest #despite her amazing pocket episode #ats #fred burkle #winifred burkle #ats s5 #also: 'man tears' fucking grow up #fuck joss whedon

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whatisyourchildhoodtrauma · 8 months

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