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azurecanary · 1 year

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If i had a nickel for every show starring a character(s) of colour who were powerful, badass and well written; but are constantly shit on to prop up the white "morally grey" characters who have rushed and/or contradictory development up to and including their ships; I'd have three nickels.

That's it. That's the joke. No "which isn't a lot but it's weird it happened thrice". Cause when it happens that many times, it stops being surprising.

It happened with Scott McCall, it happened with Daisy Johnson, why wouldn't it happen with Alina Starkov and Mal Oretsev?

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competitivedust · 7 months

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So another thought came to me about Agents of Shield. I think we all have seen comments about how annoying Daisy was when she ordered Deke to off Freddie Malick to prevent all the horrors he would cause in the future. And yes, it's a bad decision to kill him right then. Without Hydra there won't be a shield, and chronicoms would easily take over the Earth. I have seen this opinion expressed hundreds of times. Calling Daisy too emotional, too stupid etc etc.

Compare this to how these people never mention how Fitz thought it'd be a good idea to repair the gravitonium machine to save Simmons. As if that isn't an asinine fucking decision. Is Fitz not super emotional in this scene? Is he not being illogical and stupid? Or all those words only reserved for female characters you don't like?

#agents of shield #daisy johnson #anti fitzsimmons #anti leopold fitz #anti leo fitz #aos critical #daisy johnson deserves better #aos fandom critical #it's ok when men do it amirite?

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samanthaswishes · 6 months

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I'm bitter over the series finale bullshit plan again.

F!tz' says, "I need to tell you what we're fighting for, so we can map out a plan together and be willing to do what needs to be done, no matter what the cost."

But knowing what happens, he is basically telling them, "Me and Jemma can't risk our lives, so the rest of you have to, and it doesn't matter if you die or not."

And they were just... okay with that??? I hate the fact that they both, mostly F!tz, make plans that bank on other people on the team, particularly Daisy most of the time, to put themselves in harm's way so they may be safe, and this was even before the existence of Alya. He's basically telling them, not asking, to die for them if it comes to it (And it did which is why I bring up Daisy).

They treat others as if their entire livelihoods aren't as important or valuable. Yes, a lot of the time, the team, especially Daisy, are more than willing to put their lives on the line for the people they care about, but when they don't reciprocate it for people who have done it for them time and time again, it's sad and disgusting.

#anti leo fitz #anti fitz #anti leopold fitz #anti fitzsimmons #critical jemma simmons #cause she still agreed to this whole plan to begin with when they were in space for years #the shield team deserved better

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moonlayl · 11 months

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one day soon, I'm gonna rewatch all of agents of shield (for the first time ever) and I'm gonna take note of how many conversations daisy and jemma have had over the seasons and how many of them weren’t about Fitz.

#not feeling very hopeful about the outcome #aos #agents of shield #anti leopold fitz #anti fitzsimmons #daisy johnson #jemma simmons #jemma simmons deserves better

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nowifi-noconnection · 10 months

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I like aos as much as the next person but can fitzsimmons take the backseat for two seconds

I don’t care about them anymore they’re just annoying after s4

Daisy should’ve gotten a better storyline but ofc a woc gets pushed aside for the white relationship

#agents of shield #daisy johnson #anti fitzsimmons #anti leo fitz #anti fitz #marvel #am I anti jemma?#I’m anti whoever ruined her character #for the sake of a ship

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analyticallymindedaa · 11 months

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y'know what no, i'll never not be angry at how they "dealt with" jemma's trauma in 3a and turned it into a pity party for fitz bc the girl he liked was in love with someone else and having him make significant romantic advances when she's most emotionally vulnerable

#several bad puns later – out of character.#i'm watching s3 through for the first time in a While #and it really is one of those where every time you watch it you dislike a character more and more #anti romantic fitzsimmons #anti fitzsimmons #i'm also emotional about the early parallels w lincoln/daisy and jemma/will and giving each other hope i wish they would've gone w that mor #then i could just cry more abt it #i should probably like. go to bed.#tbd

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a-biochemist-not-a-bird · 2 years

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Please tag ur fic correctly on AO3. I know you have warnings all over it but it still shouldn’t be in the Fitzsimmons relationship tag if it’s anti Fitzsimmons.

Thank you for voicing your concerns and being polite about it.

I am choosing to leave it tagged as Fitz/Simmons because that is the central relationship that is being explored, and it is my understanding that relationship tags strictly tell you what relationships there are. Fics can be tagged with a relationship that is one-sided or focusing on a break-up or unhealthy relationships about a ship which aren't necessarily "pro" that relationship.

I understand where you're coming from, but seeing as Fitzsimmons tends to be the main ship in most AoS fics and the size of the fandom/number of fanworks, I don't think it is as important for me to worry over the fine print of tagging. The only thing it really affects is the likelihood of hateful comments I might get.

the fic in question

#birdie answers #ask #anon #birdie scribbles #anti fitzsimmons #i guess?#idk its not even super anti-fs like its the tragic realization that what they had maybe wasn't an equal partnership #tagging #ao3 #if anyone else knows smtg more concrete about this stuff- i'd be happy to know but i don't think im in the wrong

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ghostfox · 2 years

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Honestly I think the weird romance thing Fitzsimmons had going on in the Framework where they turned Fitz into a Tormented Man with Daddy Issues felt like such a Skyeward fanservice. The writers were like no guys we’ll give you evil Hydra Fitz but Jemma will save him uwu isn’t this what you guys wanted with Ward and Daisy

#I've never been his biggest fan but I liked him best when he was a socially awkward engineer with a crush on his best friend #introducing the doctor plot made me think the writers were recreating the good girl bad boy dynamic the fans loved with skyeward #even though ward was a pos #anti aos #anti Leo fitz #anti fitzsimmons #yes I'm still mad about them all these years later leave me alone #anti agents of shield #aos critical #text #mine

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mackie02-ffn · 1 year

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Chapters: 13/? Fandom: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (TV), Marvel Cinematic Universe Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Relationships: Phil Coulson & Melinda May & Skye | Daisy Johnson, Yo Yo Rodriguez & Skye | Daisy Johnson, Jemma Simmons & Skye | Daisy Johnson (unhealthy), Leo Fitz & Skye | Daisy Johnson (unhealthy) Characters: Skye | Daisy Johnson, Melinda May, Yo Yo Rodriguez, Phil Coulson, Leo Fitz, Jemma Simmons, Alphonso "Mack" Mackenzie, Helen Cho (Marvel) Additional Tags: Hanahaki Disease, Friendship, Betrayal, Angst, Loneliness, Skye | Daisy Johnson Needs a Hug, Not Leo Fitz Friendly, Not Jemma Simmons Friendly, temporarily, Or not, Episode: s05e14 The Devil Complex, Post-Episode: s05e14 The Devil Complex, Really not sure where I'm going to take the Fitz and Simmons part, Unhealthy Relationships, I had this idea while in a Lidl, I was buying a doughnut Summary:

She had always had many fears. Not as many as she had had when she was a kid (earthquake powers took care of quite a few of them), but there was one that she had never been able to shake. Choking. She had been a small child in the foster system who had to move around a lot, so they started running out of families. So, they started scraping the bottle of the barrel and there was some really murky stuff down there.

At first Daisy was worried when she started coughing up flower petals, but then she remembered the fear dimension that had opened up in the basement. That was it, right? This wasn't an Inhuman thing that nobody had told her about?

Title is Rabbie Burns

#agents of shield #fanfiction #daisy johnson #daisy johnson deserves better #anti fitzsimmons

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azurecanary · 3 months

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"Fitzsimmons' relationship is the heart of the show"

Sorry, did i miss something? Daisy and Coulson's relationship is the literal foundation of the show

They are the epitome of familial soulmates

The first episode is based around their paths crossing and immediately bonding

Coulson is Daisy's motivation for wanting to actually thrive in SHIELD instead of just being undercover like she planned

And Daisy gave Coulson a mission that wasn't "hang out in a jet till retirement"

Their relationship survived being reprogrammed

SHE BROUGHT HIM BACK TO LIFE

Literally the plot of each season is based around the two of them

The highest rated episode of the show is literally the two of them solving a murder

They canonically love each other

The last exchange in the show is between the two of them

#daisy johnson #phil coulson #i will not take the disrespect 😤#fs isn't even the core romance #that's philinda #agents of shield #anti fitzsimmons

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competitivedust · 2 months

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The ease with which Daisy falls for Sousa is a very blatant in-universe indicator of how badly she had been treated by her "family" prior to meeting him. She was so unaccustomed to actually being treated with care that it completely floored her. Of course this doesn't intend to downplay Sousa's feelings about her, but I believe that Sousa is just decent enough to care about people whether or not he is romantically interested in them. The fact that he was attracted to Daisy was just an added bonus. Before this she has always been forced to give up a part of herself, her dignity, to feel that she was worth something to certain members of the team. It's downright horrible how easily she jumps in to save FitzSimmons with no regard for her own physical or mental health. And FitzSimmons repeatedly exploited her abandonment issues because they knew she would do anything to keep them safe and together, to remain important to them. Which she did. Sousa is probably one of very few people who wanted her to take a step back, to give herself time, and to treat herself kindly. Of course there are others in the list, but those others also kept quiet as FitzSimmons used her again and again.

#agents of shield #aos critical #anti FitzSimmons #dousy

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samanthaswishes · 2 years

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YO in my dream last night, I was with Jemma and Daisy. I think Jemma was going to help someone who was shot who looked a lot like Hailee Steinfeld, but it wasn't her. Might have been Kate Bishop idk we weren't given a name🤷🏻‍♀️ BUT I guess the three of us forgot about it lol. Anyway, in the dream, Jemma mentioned that F*tz was gonna propose, and me and Daisy were trying to talk her into saying no. Jemma was all like "why?" The main reason was because, in the dream, her and F*tz had only been dating for 6 weeks. I wish dream me had all the knowledge of the shit he did on the show because, you know me, I WILL go off haha. It was definitely something I had to laugh about when I woke up. After I calmed down from being woken up by my dream transporting me to my house where I was chased and almost killed by an alligator lol.

#anti leo fitz #anti fitzsimmons #my hate for fitz has made it to my dreams haha #jemma simmons #daisy johnson #dreams #my dreams always take a really weird turn

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moonlayl · 2 years

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Hi, Muslim buddy! I'm a big Fitz fan and he's a popular character among the fans, so I was shocked when I found out that you disliked him. I'm curious: why exactly do you dislike him? I've seen a few of your posts about him but it's not exactly clear. I'm also not up to date with the show at all, so have you always disliked him or is it just recently?

Just to be clear, this is not a hate ask! We can have different opinions about a show, it's okay! I'm just curious about your reasoning. 💕

Salam!

First, I want to assure you your ask didn't come off as hateful at all, don't worry!

I tend to tag any fitz negative post as #anti leopold fitz so that fitz fans can easily block it and avoid any negative content about a character they like. You can block it too if you want!

Second, I want to give you a little warning. This will get very long, I apologize, however, please read all of it if you wish to reply/have a discussion. This goes to anyone reading this. I don't want to repeat myself several time (I will link other posts me and others have made that go into more detail)

As to why i dislike Fitz....there's a lot. (more under the cut)

During the earlier seasons (s1-2) I liked him, though certain scenes and things about his character bothered me. The same could be said about the majority of the other characters so I didn't think much of it. He could be funny, I liked the fitzsimmons friendship (for the most part) and he was a cool side character.

In s3 and s4, his character began to change more and more, and I found myself slowly starting to dislike him. There was suddenly more scenes where his words/actions bothered me.

Those seasons are also the ones where fitzsimmons actually got together, and I'm not a fan of the way that ship was handled, mostly due to what it did to Simmons' character. That played a role as well in me beginning to dislike him.

It wasn't until s5 though, specifically after the episode 5x14 "The Devil Complex" that i truly started disliking his character, and it just got worse from there.

I want to be clear that I don't judge or have a problem with anyone who likes his character. I don't think it's somehow 'immoral' if you like Fitz. I just simply don't, here's some reasons as to why:

Cutting open Daisy, threatening an injured, disabled Yoyo, and shooting Mack.

This is the biggest reason. In 5x14, Fitz programs robots to threaten Yoyo, shoot Mack, hold Simmons at gunpoint, and then he personally knocks out Daisy, restrains her, and cuts into her neck. He risks paralyzing her, forces her powers back onto her as she screams in pain and pleads for him to stop (he does this without giving her painkillers, without being certified to give that sort of procedure in the first place, and without the appropriate tools and space required for a surgery. She could have been permanently paralyzed from the neck down.) He throws around disgusting rhetoric, and the show tries to get us to sympathize with him. We get a scene with him and simmons. We get a scene of simmons crying to deke. We don't get a scene about daisy or mack's feelings in the aftermath.

"Fitz was having a psychic split" "he wasn't himself" "it was the doctor, not him!"

ignoring the fact that he was fully himself by the time it got to actually going through with the procedure (he realized he was the doctor all along, before getting to the 'cutting daisy' part) AND ignoring the show not letting him receive help yet him never struggling in that way again somehow (which all seems like bad writing to me) Fitz AFTERWARDS, stated that he didn't regret his actions.

Not only does he say that, but when Daisy is reasonably upset and traumatized, he attempts to dismiss her feelings, proceeds to try and guilt trip her, shift the blame to her, and throw back her previous trauma in her face.

Daisy: we don't turn on our own here

Fitz: do you want me to recount all the times YOU did?

A) Daisy hardly ever turned on them (a few instances could count but implying they do is awful, considering the circumstances she was in. Leaving shield does NOT count as a 'betrayal' or 'turning your back'. This is the SECOND time Fitz blames her for something that is ridiculously unfair. especially because HE is the one at fault here. He is so unapologetic to her.)

The following is taken from a wonderful post made by @stilltryingtowrite:

When a perpetrator of violence is confronted they will often deny or minimize the harm of their wrongdoing, attack their victim’s credibility, and reverse the victim and offender roles to make themselves out to be the victim. More info here.

So lets break down that scene in 5x15 when Daisy confronts Fitz after violating her consent in 5x14..

You can read the rest here but basically Fitz does the following things:

1. Denies and minimizes the harm of his wrongdoing 2. Attacks Daisy’s credibility as a victim 3. And tries to make her out to be the one in the wrong, while he simply did “what he had to do”

Another post, this one by me, that goes more into why Fitz implying Daisy turned on them is ridiculous. here

B) "Didn't have a choice" those are Fitz's words. he "didn't have a choice except to do what he did" That's just plain wrong and untrue.

he could've talked to her. he could have asked her. He could have explained how dire the situation was. He could have at least TRIED instead of immediately resorting to traumatizing her and and forcing her powers on her without her consent.

posts that go more into this that i highly recommend people read:

here by @geraltcirilla and @ryder616

and here by me

It doesn't end there. Afterwards, Daisy (reasonably) locks him up. he's a danger to the team. He's a danger to himself. Who knew what he might do next "without meaning to", and despite having hurt her and traumatized her and almost gotten her and his other friends injured, he agrees that she's somehow a "hard*ss" for being upset. For locking him up after he committed multiple crimes that could've resulted in her paralyzed for life.

And the majority of the fandom agreed with that statement. saw so many fans say stuff like "Daisy was acting like such a b**ch this season!"

Fitz repeatedly being selfish and careless with people's lives.

there have been numerous instances in the show where Fitz makes a terrible decision (that he knows is terrible) that could result in others' deaths, and he goes through with them every time, and is mostly unapologetic.

1) possibly the biggest one. S7 finale. This man quite literally, plans on having 7 billion people die, uncaring, because "it was an alternate timeline" and therefore wouldn't be HIS timeline. Nevermind that it was HIM who brought that danger to this alternate timeline in the first place.

posts: here by me, @stilltryingtowrite and @samanthaswishes

2) him and Simmons both getting their team members (and Simmons herself) killed in s7 several times. They programmed Enoch to kill anyone who tried to remove a chip from Simmons, without informing anyone, and then they erased Simmons' memories, meaning she also didn't know about the 'program to kill'. Enoch too, didn't know. Daisy, Deke, and Simmons all died from that. If there hadn't been a time loop, they could've permanently been dead. The reason for the programming of the chip was so stupid and made no sense.

Most would disagree with me, but a while back I made a post about why every possible reasoning for the chip's existence was stupid. here it is.

3) voting to let Piper kill herself. This is a post i made before:

Remember that part in the 100th aos episode when they thought one member of the team needed to die to save the day, and they were all tripping over themselves to try to be the one that will be sacrificed so that the others didn’t have to, except for fitz who immediately was like “let piper kill herself. She feels guilty enough to accept her fate” and then he got married that same ep. that was messed up.

LITERALLY. Everyone was like "let me be the one to die, so no one else has to!" (with the exception of Deke, who also kind of sucks) but Fitz is just like "Let Piper do it!" who DOES that?

He’s just perfectly willing to volunteer someone else to die, that’s just unacceptable.

4) In order to save Simmons in s3, he has no regards to anyone else, and risks Daisy's life without her consent. She would've agreed regardless but he just jumped into the portal after KNOWING Daisy was feeling certain side effects from the portal and after she'd fainted and had a nose bleed. She could've died and there was no apology.

5) He helps Hydra open a portal to Hive. It results it countless inhumans dying, Lincoln dying, and even others dying, all because Fitz didn't want to lose Jemma. he aided a Nazi organization that was planning on bringing some sort of ancient monster from another planet. He knew this and still did what they asked.

6) He fixes the gravitonium machine for Ruby, knowing it was gravitonium that causes the entire WORLD to be destroyed. Again, just for Simmons. (so many times, he chooses one person's life, over the entire world.)

post by @samanthaswishes here

Fitz mistreating Simmons, and the Fitzsimmons relationship being misogynistic (imo)

So here’s me summarizing while also linking posts that go into more details about all the things wrong with he fs relationship (which contributes to me disliking his character)

blaming jemma for having the audacity to care for another man before they were even in a relationship: by me

general issues about simmons never getting to be her own character due to fitz and fs relationship: by anon

fitz getting angry at the idea of living with simmons: by me

the entirety of fitzsimmons being her acting like a mother/caretaker for him, instead of an actual partner: by me

fitz talking trash about simmons when she's not there

why fs relationship is bad, why it's unfair to simmons, and fitz' jealousy knowing no bounds: by me

Fitz being completely insensitive and ignorant to others' suffering.

there have been numerous instances in the show where he’s just...insensitive to others’ suffering.

1. (this one is understandable, but when you add it up with everything else, it shows a clear pattern) In s1, After Ward is revealed to be hydra, revealed to have killed several people (a man being questioned, Victoria Hand, two police officers, Keonig) and after he’d just KIDNAPPED Skye, threatened her, and locked her up, Fitz tells Skye, TO HER FACE, that he doesn’t buy it. That there is no way Ward could’ve done that. Despite Skye herself having just been kidnapped and traumatized and literally told by Ward himself.

It’s not until Ward hurts HIM specifically, that he actually believes it, and by then it’s too late.

It’s just really terrible, in my opinion, to look a victim of someone directly in the eye, and say you don’t believe it or that there must have been a mistake, etc...

2. Immediately after Simmons gets back from being kidnapped on an alien planet for 6 months, Fitz takes her to a fancy restaurant for a date, without telling her. She immediately starts crying for a variety of reasons and he comforts her (which is good), but the idea of taking her to a date right after she went through a horrible ordeal and when it’s still VERY fresh, and she’s still not sleeping well, and still coping with everything, is highly insensitive, and was clearly something to just make himself better rather than her.

Maybe he thought that would cheer her up? Except it was still insensitive on his part.

3. While I pointed this out in the fitzsimmons section, it bears repeating.

When Simmons is upset, because a man she admitted she loved was in literal danger on an alien planet, Fitz goes on about his suffering and “the universe splitting them apart” despite it being not the time nor place. He goes as far as to contemplate whether he should save an innocent man’s life or not. In that scene, you can see how exhausted and emotionally drained Jemma is, but he goes on and on, saying things that do nothing except make her feel guilty because...she dared have feelings for someone else? That entire scene was just him letting out all his frustrations and anger and hurt (which, understandable) on her, even though she was the one going through a rough time and his words only made her feel much worse and unfairly blame herself for things outside of her control. It’s as if he was using her as an emotional punching bag (that, is not as understandable).

Worse, s6 makes it clear he still held a grudge against her, even though she’s the one who suffered. She’s the one who lost someone she cared about. She’s the one who grieved. She’s the one who had to deal with that.

4. When Daisy leaves shield, after having been brainwashed, forced to hurt people she cares about, forced to go through withdrawal, forced to watch her boyfriend literally die for her (she’d spent months seeing his very last moments in her head so she even knew the exact second he died and how it happened), and after the government had decided people like her needed to be monitered and forced to sign accords that would take away some of her rights, Fitz makes it all about him.

She’s sitting in front of him, injured, and suicidal, and clearly not doing well, and all he can do is berate her, yell at her, accuse of her of “turning her back” and “not caring”.

He never apologizes. She’s literally yelled at, and treated like crap, while going through the worst period of her life and being in a terrible place, physically, emotionally, and mentally, and all he can do is think about himself and how he personally doesn’t like change. Talk about being a terrible friend.

Contrast that to her comforting him and standing by him at the end of s4, when he was freaking out about his actions in the framework, and... well... he was clearly being unfair to her.

5. This one, isn’t as big of a deal because it was just something that slipped out, but like... saying “maybe getting your arms chopped off wasn’t all bad” (or something very very similar) to Yoyo, literally a few days after her surgery and after she was mutilated is just...wrong.

It was clear he immediately recognized that he shouldn’t have said that, but holy crap, COME ON MAN!This is just moments after he was broken out of his cell (which he was placed in, for harming several other teammates.)

6. The way he treated Deke. Everyone else had clear reasons to distrust/dislike Deke at first. Fitz didn’t, yet even upon discovering Deke was HIS grandson, he tells Deke he wished someone else was his godson, and spends the rest of the season treating him like complete and utter garbage.

I mean, I have issues with Deke’s character, but what in the hell was Fitz’s problem?? It’s not like Fitz himself was better than Deke.

7. I’ve said before, but basically throwing the rest of the team in s7 to the wolves, and then having the audacity to go “you guys didn’t do things according to plan!” when they didn’t even know the plan. Also “no, we shouldn’t help save all of humanity in another timeline from a problem we personally brought to them and that would kill them, making their death and destruction on us, because then it would reduce our chances of success by a few percentages”

How is this guy even real???

So there you have it, this was very long, but these are the reasons (with examples) of why i dislike Fitz. This isn’t to make anyone agree, and I’’’ repeat what I said earlier: I have no problems at all with fans who like Fitz. I just personally don’t.

#arabianflowers #anti leopold fitz #anti fitzsimmons #aos critical #aos #agents of shield #standwithquake #this is mostly unedited #sorry #aos meta #layl.meta #layl.inbox

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timotey · 20 days

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If you like Dorothy L. Sayers' Lord Peter Wimsey series, I can highly recommend to you P. J. Fitzsimmons' series about Anthony "Anty" Boisjoly (like the wine region, not "Boys-jolly"!) wherein he goes on happy murder adventures with his senile valet Vickers and the ever suffering Inspector Wittersham. It's light, it's hilarious and just the perfect thing for when you're feeling blue!

#dorothy l. sayers #lord peter wimsey #pj fitzsimmons #anty boisjoly #book recommendations #mé

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a-biochemist-not-a-bird · 2 years

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Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. (TV) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Leo Fitz/Jemma Simmons, Leo Fitz & Skye | Daisy Johnson Characters: Leo Fitz, Jemma Simmons Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Episode: s06e06 Inescapable, POV Jemma Simmons, Not Jemma Simmons Friendly, Autistic Leo Fitz, Canon Disabled Character, Ableism, Leo Fitz/Jemma Simmons Critical, Jemma Simmons Critical, Jemma Simmons is Not Okay, Leo Fitz is Not Okay, Not FitzSimmons Friendly, Unhealthy Relationships, References to 5x14, Break Up Summary:

"Y-Your ego just likes to pretend you're Jane Goodall saving helpless little creatures like me."

“I do not think I’m saving you!"

"Of course you do. Calming my manic mind in the dorm room or… or … or taking Coulson up on his offer to get me into the field…”

- Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 6x06

#birdie scribbles #aos #anti fitzsimmons #not fitzsimmons friendly #leo fitz #jemma simmons #daisy isn't actually in it #6x06 #mine #fic

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