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Se-dom and 9s yessss, I know Se doms that I’m sure is 9. I’m Se dom and it’s nothing special with that!! Sometimes I’m not happy by how people view Se. I don’t see how Ne doms would be more likely than us to be 9: we are doing the same thing in many ways: Ne/Se dom makes us extraverted and trusting/positive generally, but Se doms are just in pure reality compared to Ne. I have Ne dom friends that are really really outgoing and up to things all the time, while the stereotype is that Se dom will be more active than Ne. The biggest differences I see of my Se dom friends and Ne dom friends is their jokes! - rather than how active in the world they are! Some Se-doms enjoy reading, studying and are therefore seen as pretty calm, and so does some Ne dom. For me I use Se to SEE the world through it. It doesn’t automatically make me a doer spinner, I can lay in bed for a long time and read for a long time even though I see the world concrete as it is right now. My cousin is estp and need to do things ALL THE TIME. Just because I know her I see that she is driven by Se while doing it. Sure I also feel good when being out in the world and doing concrete things but I don’t like when everyone think Se dom are automatically like my cousin. I need to not sit on a chair all the time and I need to talk, when I talk you can hear I talk through Se, but I don’t think you can see if someone have Se or Ne just by the actions they do - If they lay in bed more or talk more or go out in town more. Only when you know them and hear them talk you can see if it’s Se. I think I’m close to both 6 and 9 and have never seen anything with Se that would affect 9. Maybe I would think Se and 9 can’t fit if I was not Se myself and thought Se was making people being like my cousin, who is not a 9.

The reason there is some skepticism around 9s being ESP types is that it takes 9s a long time to get around to doing anything, and ESPs have a reputation for instant gratification and impulses. Many 9s, for example, will be lazy about leaving a relationship even when it's over, because doing so will cause conflict and they want to avoid the intense reaction of their partner -- so they wait to be abandoned, or numb out and ignore their partner, or just "stay" without being emotionally committed, in that way displacing any discomfort onto their partner -- they may "become" the person "who gets left," just to avoid causing themselves any discomfort. But an ESP who has lost interest will probably leave, because there's something more interesting to pursue out there. That's the sort of hiccup that you run into, when thinking about how 9 might interact with Se-dom. It seems incompatible, which would produce quite a different kind of ESP than all the other ones (which isn't to say it can't happen; but it is to say that if this CAN happen, there's a likely chance that a lot of people are not self-identifying as ESPs because the energetic, hands-on, fast-moving descriptions do not reflect their inertia).

The assumed 9w8 ESFP I know put up with a lot in a bad marriage without ever doing anything about it, constantly attempted to keep the peace, and then went along with her husband's intentions for their lives after his passing -- carrying on his wishes after his death, because she had no strong desires of her own. As a result, she is stuck in an unfortunate situation with no way out of it, because she has "waited too long" to do anything on her own behalf, or to identify her own wishes and desires in life. But in all other ways, she is very ESFP -- she can't just imagine things without doing them first, she learns through being hands-on, she served in a very Se-driven career (handling crises, which meant thinking fast), she looks at things on a surface level, and has a low capacity for long-term thinking.

#question #enneagram #enneagram 9 #estp #esfp

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youtubetheories101 · 5 years

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Roman Analysis

If I am going to be doing analysis of the sides why not start with the noblest Roman of them all! Let's go plebs.

We're going to analyze and sort things into 4 different categories which. They'll probably overlap like a lot but it's fine. (ihope) So the categories are going to be

Moral Alignments/Standards

Social Standing/Interactions

Personal Issues

Use/Goals for Thomas

Ready? No? Me neither but let's dive in.

Moral Alignment/Standards

Neutral Good

I debated with this and Chaotic Good a bit, however, Neutral Good fits better.

Roman would prefer to follow the law but only if the law is just and upholds to his moral standards.(kinda funny he was a judge.) He wants to help and while he can be self righteous at times and prideful, he generally tries to treat people well and uphold a standard of purity.

He may have moments of doubt such as in SvS. He was the judge because he was the one who was in the most agreement with Deciet, however he chooses what he believes is best for Thomas in the end.

Social Standing/Interactions

This one is an interesting one for Roman. He is generally respected among the other sides, however he is somewhat antagonistic. He tends to but heads with Virgil and Logan most, because of their criticisms of his optimistic attitude, and at times his input will be ignored.

His antagonism to the other sides has improved however it seems. He's genuinely making an effort to be more understanding, lessening the nicknames and trying not to judge people because they don't agree with him.

(ex: SvS "Are you seriously so close-minded to think that everything said by someone you don't like is automatically untrue?" and DWIT "Oh, shut up, Nerdy Wolverine. No! Ugh! I mean-*sighs* I'm sorry, Logan. I didn't mean that.")

Now to analyze interactions with specific sides:

Patton & Roman: A friendly interaction, mainly positive, however Roman has belittled Patton before. They do care about each other which has been shown and will often agree on matters of Romance and Dreaming. There doesn't seem to be any antagonism between the two of them besides sometimes not taking each seriously.

Roman & Logan: Friends however, they argue plenty. They can be annoying to each other, and fight over ideas over Thomas's future and what he should do. That is also, oddly enough what they agree on the most, even creating alliances against the others when arguing over it. They are both critical of each other but will support each other in some of their pursuits. They have been trying recently to understand each other and be more kind.

Virgil & Roman: They started off really rocky. Really rockily. However over the episodes they get better, and are friends now. At the beginning they mainly fought and didn't find a common ground until The Dark Side of Disney and even then it didn't really relive the tension between the two until AA. They tentively became more aware of each other, and Roman even started including him more in videos such as the Christmas episode.

Roman & Deciet: Roman and Deciet actually seem to get along fairly well. Deciet plays to Roman's sensitivities and desires, advertising to his ego I suppose. Roman even comes to Deciet's defense, probably because he's trying to be more... trusting? Less judgemental? Not sure which exactly but he's trying. They're an odd duo but they seem friendly.

Remus & Roman: They have literally interacted twice and Remus knocked him out twice. They're definitely more of Cain Instinct siblings than anything else. And from what Roman has said on Remus, he dislikes him, due to him being like a mirror image of everything he doesn't want to be. I want to see more of them because I love sibling dynamics and I want to see if they could ever be nice to each other but I don't think we will. :(

Personal Issues

Oh this is going to be fun because Roman still hasn't had his issues resolved. We've had an episode on his issues (Am I Original?) but it didn't really address what was wrong and it's ending didn't really... fix anything. Roman was still dissatisfied. And it didn't address all of them. But I think it's coming up because at this point it's been lead up to for so long that if it doesn't I will be very surprised and riot. Help! Him! So what are these issues?

Well the one addressed in An I Original was his dissatisfaction with his own work and perfectionism because he can't let Thomas down and while it was,,, handled? Sorta, it felt like it was putting a bandaid on a bullet wound. Roman still seems to be disappointed in his work and instead of well, dealing with said issue, internalizes it.

He also seems to be disappointed in... well himself and Thomas's relationship status. He's lonely, and his view of his own worth seems to... be lacking.

Examples of said thoughts:

Am I Original?

[Roman]: No! If I can't think of an original idea, what would you think of me? I can't.... let you down.

[Roman]: It's just... I only ever pushed you toward your dreams, Thomas. And I never said a bad word about you. Why don't you want to listen to me more? This whole thing could've been avoided if you did.

Moving On Part 2/2: Dealing With Breakups

[Roman]: Possibly because it reminds you of a time when you felt... worthy of someone.

Crofter's: The Musical

[Roman]: Roman, you dunce! You made a joke and now they'll think that everything is fine.

Learning New Things About Ourselves:

[Roman]: I'm sorry that everything I make isn't the Creation of Adam...

[Roman]: Earlier. I made you angry. I do that quite a bit actually... I provoked you and you retaliated with violence. (Under breath) Like a stupid caveman.(Aloud) But! I am responsible for my actions and my actions alone...So, I'm sorry

[Virgil]: You feel low.

[Roman]: That's not true!

[Patton]: It's okay!

[Roman]: Don't assume!

[Thomas]: You don't need to save face.

[Virgil]: In almost any case,

[Patton and Virgil]: We'd embrace you.

[Roman]: That's rich...

[Roman]: -sighs- It's so hard to create anything that I'm proud of when it's critiqued, so harshly... by you.

[Logan]: What?

[Roman]: Nothing ever seems to be good enough, professional enough... Serious enough for you.

Selfishness vs Selflessness:

[Deceit]: Wow, guys, it's so cool how you never listen to Roman.

[Virgil]: Why is he still here?

[Roman]: Why am I still here?

[Deceit]: Wooow.

[Virgil]: I meant Deceit!

[Roman]: The one and lonely! What? Freudian slip.

[Roman]: It's my sworn duty to help Thomas achieve his hopes and dreams.But Thomas wouldn't dream of attaining his hopes through deceitful means.

[Deceit]: Sure, and you want that stuff that makes you happy, right?!

[Patton]: Do I!

[Roman]: Do I...

Dealing With Intrusive Thoughts

[Roman]: *sighs* Yeah. It's a little like looking into a funhouse mirror, but instead of a giant head, or, like, long legs and a tiny torso, ... it shows you... everything you don't wanna be.

His self worth is... lacking in many aspects. But I don't think it's what's going to be addressed next, I think that's going to be Virgil being an ex-darkside. So hopefully it's soon but... I'm not sure. And I'm not sure if the others are noticing this issue.

Use/Goals for Thomas

He is "Good" Creativity, Ego, Dreams, Romantic aspirations, and Passion. He also is the embodiment of his femininity and masculinity at the same time? Fuck gender roles is what I'm getting from this. Of course he is still a "Manly man, a man who is Manly!" but Thomas has said he represents femininity in a Q&A. So.... fuck gender roles. That's the answer right? Probably.

What he aspires for Thomas to do is to be able to persue his dreams and goals, as evidenced with "I only ever pushed you toward your dreams, Thomas." (AIO) and "It's my sworn duty to help Thomas achieve his hopes and dreams." (SvS) Roman typically goes after this by pursuing a new role, a new romance, or encouraging Thomas to try things to expand his career. Since Thomas is an Actor/Youtuber, Roman is able to influence a lot but seems to be willing to take the side line if Thomas doesn't feel comfortable following said dreams in the way he intended.

He's a dreamer, through and through, complete with the idealization factor. He encourages Thomas to accomplish his dreams but only if Thomas is willing to do so in the way purposed. Which makes sense seeing as he is,,, Thomas.

So that is my Analysis for this week, and until next time, it's just a theory.

A SANDERS SIDES THEORY.

Thank you for reading. Peace out!

#ts roman #roman sanders #thomas sanders #sanders sides #sanders sides theory #sorta?#also can you tell i am worried for roman? because if you can't buddy i spent like 4 or so paragraphs screaming on how i was worried #please someone help him #tw language #tw caps #also if anyone does read this #guess who's next weeks??? place your bets

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