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missvifdor · 1 year
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Tsfgae : Tome 2
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I recently bought and finished volume 2 of the school of Good and Evil.  And loved it and can't wait to get book 3!  Like last time, I'm going to give my general opinion and on the characters, trying not to spoil the plot!  I'm going to start with our heroines, ending with the new character that we were given to discover.  So:
SOPHIE : At the beginning of my reading, I was able to find the Sophie that I had discovered in volume 1. Egocentric, Her funny and annoying personality, her contempt for her father and her love of the spotlight. But we also feel that her experience at school has also changed her and we feel her fear of becoming the horrible witch she once was, which is why she clings so much to Agatha that she now considers no only as her saviour, her anchor, but also now really her friend in a much less superficial way. We FEEL that she needs Agatha by her side to convince herself that she will never again become the horrible thing she turned into. Of course she remains quite despicable towards the other villagers of Galvadon but now she is trying on a deeper level to be better. She wants to convince herself that she is capable of doing good and I feel her struggle with it throughout the book. And then when things start to heat up, I think she really matures and is a much better friend here than she was in book 1. The ending broke my heart and because of the fears and from the suspicions of those she called the people who matter to her, she actually ended up becoming what they feared she would become again. And it's all their fault. From my point of view, Sophie really tried and, I think, swapped roles with Agatha in this volume 2. She has so much faith in Agatha and their friendship, it was overwhelming. Also, her search for true love (now that I know the deeper meaning) makes her an even more interesting character to me, I really enjoyed Sophie in this read and she goes back to the top of my list of my favorite characters by Tsfgae.
AGATHA : I loved Agatha in volume 1. In this one, I think she goes down to second place of my favorite characters in the series at the moment. Her fears and suspicions are valid, after what she endured at school before returning to Galvadon I think she has a right to feel the way she does. However, now it is she who refuses to see the truth about her deepest desires, as was the case with Sophie in volume 1, which is what led them into the disastrous situation in which everyone is at school (although of course, Sophie has her fair share of responsibility). What breaks my heart is that the Agatha in volume 1 would never have doubted Sophie despite his actions, but it's very different in volume 2. She also wants her "True Happy Ending" so badly. Agatha forces herself so much to believe that she trusts her friend (trust that she doesn't feel at all) that it's almost sad. And also breaking my heart, she broke Sophie's with mine in the process. I think if Agatha hadn't been so scared of the witch's return, they might have had a chance.
TEDROS: First of all... TEDROS WHAT DID YOU MAKE SO FUCKS?! HAVE YOU LOST YOUR SPIRIT?! Tedros was already on a thin layer of ice in Book 1 but boy...I get he's from a place where he's instilled that to get to his happy ending you obviously have to kill the "bad guy" but man... think with your brain! Didn't his meeting with Agatha teach him anything?! And then he goes from bad to worse (and okay, it was a misunderstanding) but what happened with the Grand Master should have taught him a lesson! But noooo, sir prefers to think with his ego! In the end, he is almost better and then... he becomes a fool again! Someone give this boy a working brain and rid him of his Mommy Issues, please! I feel like taking my sandal, throwing it in his face and insulting him with the worst French insults I know! Anyway welcome to the BI family, Tedros, even if irritating and stupid you are on some level, I'm glad you discovered yourself on a deeper level.
HESTER: She is in my top 3 characters that I will defend body and soul! This girl is awesome and even though she sucks at being Dot's friend, she's still one of my favorites!
ANADIL: Same thing for Anadil as for Hester.
DOT: I was so happy and sad for Dot, she finally felt accepted and loved school. Anadil and Hester are not tender with her, despite everything she remains their friend. I just think she deserves better.
HORT: My poor darling! Not only is he heartbroken but they don't even treat him well in his school when he does everything to make himself useful 😭 I was hoping he would be better in Volume 2 but obviously he continues to be everyone's punching bag, he doesn't deserve that! Volume 3 better give him the happiness he deserves!
BEATRIX : Our number 1 bootlicker didn't change much in the end, trying to be the favorite of the new character from book 2! Besides, I will add that many of the Ever girls were still as much of a hypocrite as possible. Maybe Kiko was the least hypocritical of them all.
TRISTAN : MY HEART IS BROKEN ! THIS ENTIRE BOOK WAS INTENDED TO BREAK MY HEART AND CRUSH IT INTO A THOUSAND PIECES!
LADY LESSO: In Volume 2 we got a lot more insight into our favorite Dean for Evil and I'm so glad! His secret didn't really surprise me because I was spoiled before reading this volume, however, I think it adds a little depth to his character and I'm waiting to know more about his background.
PROFESSOR DOVEY: Much less present but still nice to see anyway. And I always hear about his interactions with Lady Lesso 🤭
EVELYN SADER: Here she is, the new face of faculty and characters. Suffice to say that from the start of its appearance in the book, I was intrigued. Her physique, her personality, her intriguing insects following her everywhere (her outfit is pretty cool, it made me want to draw her for later). His powers are as intriguing as they are cool and dangerous, in my opinion. I loved and hated her in a common measure, especially when she had this "discussion" with Lady Lesso and what she did to Sophie. Very happy with her fate at the end, hoping that she will not make an appearance again in the next volumes. There's some new stuff she brought to school for girls that I can appreciate, however the rest is really stereotypical (even if it's less than what Evergirls was asking for in Volume 1, the rest seems incredibly ridiculous and dangerous).
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yourfavisbeautiful · 1 year
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Agatha and Sophie from the school for good and evil are beautiful
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liketwoswansinbalance · 5 months
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Facts about The One True School Master of Vault 41
Tedros and Japeth-related things would entail too many major spoilers, so this is probably all you’re getting for now:
Rafal confesses to Sophie that he breathed part of his soul into her toward the end of the second Great War.
Rafal reads his own obituary. And also sees the multitude of vandalism that accompanies it.
Rafal attends a rather depressing, actually, positively dismal Ever tea party. Agatha insults him, despite the fact that he has better table manners than her. They mock each other. And he chokes on his finger sandwich. (But, I suppose genocide weighs more on the morality scale, in terms of minor infractions and major transgressions that will send Pollux rolling in his grave like a roast pig on a spit over subjects which mustn’t be discussed at tea parties.)
Agatha unnecessarily feeds her savior complex and plays chaperone.
Sophie is fashionable and traumatized. Business as usual.
Agatha commits a burglary.
Rafal trains the Nevers in classical dance. (I promise it’s vaguely plot-relevant.)
Agatha trains the Evers for war.
Sophie performs an archival search and reads Fala and His Brother.
The fic is still largely unwritten, so things may be subject to change later on.
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Watching the school for good and evil movie and they fucked everything up so badly
They made Sophie too nice making her sympathetic when she is meant to be conceited passive aggressive and vain
They made Agatha too nice as well somehow, she’s meant to be sullen, moody and kind of greasy at the beginning
They made Dovey shallow and go against all her principles in the book
They made it so Sophie and Agatha didn’t know abt the school despite it being well know throughout the town
They made Honora mean when she’s supposed to be plain and reasonable but kind
They made half the villains hot when they’re supposed to be greasy and muddy and “ugly” that is a key point in the book
They made the princesses outright mean. They are supposed to be nice to Agatha but passive aggressive. They have some good in them
Tedros and Agatha are supposed to hate each other at first site not whatever they gave us here
TEDROS DID NOT HAVE A MAGIC SWORD AND AGATHA WAS SUPPOSED TO LOOK BLATANTLY OUT OF PLACE IN THE SCHOOL NOT FITTING RIGHT IN, IT DEFEATS THE WHOLE POINT
YHE SCHOOL MASTER DIDNT EVEN HAVE HIS MASK ON AND HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SEEN BY STUDENTS HE STAYS IN HIS TOWER
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brother-genitivi · 2 years
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Things I liked about the new SGE movie (more under the cut):
1. Tedros’s love confession. Such a terrible time to confess. That’s SO Tedros of him. And his bit about how family is important. I saw those parental issues, Tedros.
2. Some of their OSTs are actual bangers. Like the scene where Tedros promises to take Sophie to the ball, and it causes a skirmish? The soundtrack that plays there is sublime (it’s an instrumental of Who Do You Think You Are? by  Kiana Ledé and Cautious Clay).
3. The costumes were BEAUTIFUL. Sophie’s outfits were amazing.
4. The scene where Hester’s demon gets attacked by wasps definitely grew on me. Her sobbing afterwards, Anadil and Dot rushing to comfort her? Love to see it.
5. That little scene during the Never’s Ball where Anadil and Hester touch glowing fingertips. Let’s go lesbians!
6. “My heart belongs to another.” Oh, Hort.
7. A cameo from Soman himself!
8. Agatha punching Tedros after the Gregor incident. Tbh, Gregor as a whole. He was a good way to show the consequences of three failures, but I’m sad that’s all his character amounted to - to make a point. He was sweet and kind, and he deserves his grocery store </3
9. Some things were taken from the book directly. “Can I touch your hair?” Hester spitting and it creating sparks.
Reasons why I have a bone to pick with the new SGE movie:
1. Sophie is too nice. In the books, this girl MURDERED someone for cutting her hair. She pushed Agatha into a wave of churning water/sludge, tried to kill her multiple times, even befriended her for the sole purpose of fulfilling a ‘good deed’ so she’d get into the School for Good. She’s selfish, flawed, and the film makes it out to be Rafal manipulating her, making her do terrible things. Like, no, she WANTS to do awful things. She likes it. She’s extremely flawed and it’s why she’s so interesting!
2. Rafal. Why does everyone know about him...? We didn’t even know his name until book 3. Why is he going around with his face in full view?? Like, this is the School Master here. THE GUY WHO WEARS A MASK TO HIDE HIS IDENTITY?
3. Leonora Lesso. They spliced her with Evelyn Sader. They made her dramatic and shouty. She’s cold, calculated, and calm. And definitely not in love with Rafal... she’s definitely in love with Dovey imo, but they struggle to hug in the movie. Dovey, whom Leonora describes as ‘her Agatha’? You’d have no idea. If they ever make a second film, I have no clue how they’ll involve Evelyn and Aric.
4. Where is The Beast? His whole being murdered by Sophie never happens because he just doesn’t exist. And the whole reason for Sophie ending up in the groom room (for talking to an Everboy) is... interesting LMAO
5. F is for... fucking nothing? No love spell to show how far Sophie was willing to go + her shallowness, no F for failure. I DO like her outfits that they did as a replacement for the ‘F is for’ outfits, however.
6. Lunchtime lectures. I’m glad we got to see one at least, but why were the 3 witches so delighted to be involved?
7. Speaking of the coven, damn they were sidelined. WHERE WERE ANADIL’S RATS? Her rats which she loves more than anything in the world, her loyal henchmen, the rats she’s known for?? They showed Dot turning something to chocolate ONCE. I was also expecting Dot to be played by a plus sized actress (no shade at all to her actress!), the book specifically describes Dot to be fat.
8. Fingerglow colours...? Where is Sophie’s iconic hot pink? Tedros’s gold. Agatha’s blazing orange that eventually matches Tedros’s?
9. Trial by Tale. Why did they make it out to be something specifically for proving Tedros and Sophie’s love? It happens literally yearly... and the top students at school take part in it, not just two students.
10. I wanted to see Agatha as a cockroach :(
11. August Sader... who? You know, the man whom Agatha describes as being like a father to her? Evelyn Sader’s brother, the man who foresaw events up to the last book. The man who sacrifices himself to defeat the School Master, who helped Agatha the entire time he was alive (and dead).
12. Totally missed the opportunity to show Tedros picking Agatha ‘by accident’ multiple times in their forest classes. The cockroach on the pumpkin, the princesses in the caskets. He picked HER. That shit is delicious.
13. Agatha and Tedros were waaaaaaay too chummy. He throws his rose at her and she is beyond disgusted. She bumps into him and scoffs at him with, you guessed it, disgust. It’s that one act that gets perfect, polished Tedros to have thoughts of self doubt. He kicks around this doll he made to specifically look like Agatha, then shoots it full of arrows while she watches. They HATE each other. They truly do not like each other, which is why it’s so special when they do like, and eventually come to love each other! There was no animosity (except for when he got punched), no tension other than romantic.
14. I think the relationships in this were way too fast. Idk, it might be me + my demisexuality clouding my judgement but I appreciate slow relationships. I do like that they hugged, and that shot of her taking his hands made me giggle and kick my legs like a lovesick schoolboy. But I didn’t have faith in his love confession. Yes, his confession was painfully Tedros-like, but I just didn’t see it... maybe if they had more time to develop their relationship?
15. Same point as before, but with Sophie + Tedros. Him attending her lunchtime lectures, their conversation as foxes, all those extra moments of them together would’ve made their supposed instant connection more believable.
16. Grimm + nemesis dreams. The movie reveals Agatha as Sophie’s nemesis in one line, when the book takes it a lot deeper than that. Sophie has dreams about her, tastes blood, grows warts, has symptoms. Grimm only reinforces how Agatha is Sophie’s nemesis. Nope, we had none of that.
17. No thorns scene. Idk how mental everyone else goes at that scene, but the fact that Tedros comes after Agatha, and she FAINTS in his arms? It’s all about the vulnerability, and the fact that she vehemently denies fainting ever dfjfkdksk it’s a scene that always stuck out to me in the books, and just another moment that adds to Tedros and Agatha’s slowly developing relationship
18. The Evergirls were so... mean. So, so mean. Why, why, why weren’t Kiko and Agatha friends?? Why was Tristan the only other Everboy mentioned..? Like, where’s Chaddick, best friend/brother to Tedros? Nicholas, my beloved. And the other Nevers, like Arachne and Ravan. I’m sure they were there, just not mentioned by name.
19. Werewolves and fairies. Agatha discovers their true origins in that they were once failed students from opposite schools, but they’re just... there in the movie. Speaking of, BANE. Bane the fairy, once a boy of Gavaldon, who saves Agatha’s life and dies doing so.
20. The gargoyle in Merlin’s Menagerie. Agatha yelling at Tedros “he was a boy! A little boy!” and punching him in the face. I know that scene was Gregor’s, but I did miss this scene. And the fact that many people turned animals caused a stampede because they wanted to be freed by her.
21. Why is Honora an evil stepmother? She isn’t even married to Stefan until book 2.
22. Agatha can grant wishes. SHE CAN GRANT WISHES. And that was shown... where?
23. The antisemitism behind Sophie’s witch design. Evil = having a hooked, large nose?? Not to mention how Tedros becoming evil meant having... facial scars?? Literally w h a t
24. Why don’t Sophie and Agatha know about the SGE...? Like, they’ve had kids taken from Gavaldon every four years. The SGE swan emblem is on every single storybook.
25. Swan pins on their uniform? Nope.
26. They separated Good and Evil in their forest classes? That, or Evil just didn’t... have any. Weird.
27. “Good with Good, Evil with Evil. Back to your tower before there’s upheaval.” Or not, seeing as the reflections on the half-way bridge never existed.
28. Agatha mentions ONCE how other people called her ugly growing up. Book Agatha is truly convinced of her ugliness, and how that makes her Evil and unworthy of being loved. She avoids looking in mirrors because she hates her reflection. She thinks it’s about how you look, not what you do. Then Dovey reveals herself as Cinderella’s fairy godmother, they have that wonderful mirror scene and Agatha finds herself smiling, and crying when she realises she was beautiful all along. I would’ve given anything to see that in live action.
29. Agatha’s Cinderella-esque dress was serving. She looked stunning. But I wanted her iconic midnight blue gown with gold leaves, and blue orchid crown. </3
30. No circus of talents. The scene where Tedros asks, “Agatha of Woods Beyond. Will you be my princess for the ball?” Him asking her to choose him, because he had already chosen her long ago. LIKE- not to mention how Agatha’s talent is shown once again, and that bit where the wolves shield Hester from punishment? Just wished we had seen it :’)
This is no shade at all to the actors, they did wonderfully with what they were given. I love that Tedros has brown hair (blond men with blue eyes scare me xoxo). But, as someone who’s had this series with me since I was 11, I was pretty disappointed. I think as a standalone film, it’s not that bad! Some... interesting music choices. Beautiful costume and creature design - I loved the stymphs, they were perfect. But as a book to film adaptation? Just... yikes. Not a fan.
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blink182times · 2 years
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THE SCHOOL FOR GOOD AND EVIL IS OUT I CANT WAIT TO WATCH IT TONIGHT
Update: I did watch it and damn… I wish they were actually gay
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phantomstatistician · 11 months
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Fandom: The School for Good and Evil
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moonlightkitkat · 2 years
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I feel like if Agatha had been thrown into big poofy gowns that she clearly didn’t like or was comfortable in, and didn’t have her hair perfectly done in every scene, it would have been better than having her transition right away. I know we have that one clip where she sits down and her hoop skirt pops up to show that she isn’t used to these dresses and stuff, but after that there’s nothing! Maybe if her posture was bad compared to the others or she threw her old coat over her dress so she could stick her hands in her pockets it would have worked! I didn’t like how it seemed Agatha fit in with the Evers right away. Her hair clearly took time to style, something she didn’t bother with in her town back home, so having her hair be down and unstyled would have brought some of that Agatha charm to her look! Plus then at the end when she shows up with her hair done, wearing a beautiful dress thay she truly feels beautiful in, it could have shown the “she was beautiful all along,” part of the book!! One thing that upset me was that we got her in this boring Cinderella like dress which didn’t suit her at all, when in the books she walks in with a MIDNIGHT BLUE gown with a velvet train and gold leaves on her dress!! She found a happy medium for Ever style with her dark black style, which was this beautiful dark blue! Her confidence in the dress made her feel so pretty and she had the room go SILENT when she entered! And then when Sophie enters and slyly comments about the new princess in the school only to mock gasp when she realizes it’s Aggie?? Ugh it would have been so good!!
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bloodbroox · 2 years
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caught in between two worlds apart 🦢
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i am not sorry
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tvstcff · 2 years
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petrichora-art · 17 days
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evelyn sader, dean for the school for girls
i really wanted to draw the beautiful evil lady who's absolutely mental. terrified the movie sequel (unavoidable) will butcher her.
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liketwoswansinbalance · 3 months
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I got Neil Gaiman from this site! Yet, the only fictional work he's written that I'm actually familiar with is Stardust, so I don't know whether this assessment is accurate. I have read probably the whole of his book Art Matters: Because Your Imagination Can Change the World though.
I may read the Stardust novel one day, but I've seen the the film adaptation several times, and it's probably my favorite movie of all time.
The writing sample I inputted was "Masters of None," my latest fic.
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The way that the sge movie seems to paint Sophie as a victim pisses me off to the nth degree
She is supposed to be evil and vain and looking down on everyone from the beginning. She looks down on Belle for feeding the homeless woman in the square because the woman was fat, she refuses to eat the food Honora makes for her despite her making Sophie’s favourite because she hates the woman. She makes friends with Agatha initially only as a good deed, treating Agatha as a means to her own ends and not as her own person. She feels no guilt over upsetting Radley who just wants to be her friend simply annoyance that she may not be taken to the school for good because of it. She does deeds she thinks are good such as placing a mirror in the church bathroom so people can go back to the pews looking good and she donates soap to an orphanage. Everything she does is based on the delusion that she is too beautiful and by extension good for her village. Her actions are clearly driven by her vanity and arrogance.
The movie makes Honora seem like an evil stepmother thus making Sophie’s dislike of her appear rational. The movie also changes how the girls first become friends so that it seems to be a genuine friendship on both parts. Because the girls only find out about the school that day, any “good” deeds Sophie does before this day become genuine to an audience. Visually as well, Sophie’s appearance is downplayed immensely: her dress appears to be hand made but not to the quality the original Sophie would want, the duller pinks of the dress make it seem dirty which makes Sophie appear less vain. Especially as her hair doesn’t appear to have had anything done to it nor does she appear to be wearing any makeup. This setup creates a character that is sympathetic to an audience with no vanity, no duplicity and no reason for staying in what is portrayed as a very unpleasant town.
Because of this setup, Sophie being sent to the school for evil makes no sense to an audience and even seems to merely be an admin error the staff are too scared to fix. This creates sympathy for her in an audience as this situation appears to not be her fault at all and looks horrible for her. Additionally Agatha blames Sophie’s action on Rafal and his “blood magic” (which was incredibly unnecessary) thus absolving her of any blame or responsibility for her actions.
All of this combined makes for a completely different character that appears to be a victim of circumstance instead of the original intention of her being this 100% evil girl who has been able to hide behind her beauty and the misconception that beauty makes people good
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hqlmsbury · 2 years
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SGE MOVIE SPOILERS!!!
Getting all my thoughts out now. To be clear I did not hate the movie I actually quite enjoyed it but I was kind of disappointed in a lot of the plot points
• first off Rosie as Millicent is *chefs kiss* she’s absolutely GORGEOUS
• I can NOT BELIEVE we did not get some sort of circus of talents?!?! That was like the BEST book scene and I can’t believe it got taken out? The whole “Agatha will you be my princess for the ball?” I was WAITING for that line. Anyways.
• Tagatha…. Where do I start….. their whole storyline was so confusing like they never really hated each other and the whole thing with Tedros and Sophie felt like it never happened. The whole You’re the love of my life thing at the ball which Agatha didn’t get a date to, and should have gotten expelled as it was even said earlier in the movie, got me so confused it was so last minute in my opinion
• One of the highlights for me was the wish fish scene!! I think that that was done beautifully, the little girl UGH MY HEART I ALMOST CRIED. I didn’t like the Gregor guy at first but having Tedros kill him instead was wow. 10/10 support it.
• I can’t believe we didn’t get a Kiko/Agatha friendship. That was also such a book highlight for me and I’m so sad about that
• What the actual heck was the blood magic thing?? That made NO sense to me I didn’t think it was necessary either because it seemed like it was turning Sophie evil if you know what I mean. We all know Sophie had this anger within her she LITERALLY IS EVIL. So to have this blood magic thing was weird and honestly a bit creepy lol
• Sofia Wylie as Agatha was literally one of the best casting choices. I was a bit skeptical at first especially since I’ve only seen Sofia in HSMTMTS which has considerably worsened the past two seasons, I was completely blown away by her acting skills. However she fit in too perfectly with the Evers right at the beginning lol.
• Also why did we get no coven content??? I didn’t see like any scenes of the three of them which is definitely disappointing as they are fandom favorites! The three of them felt very much like background characters, I feel like I saw Hort more often than them 😭😭
• ALSO WHY DID WE SEE THE SCHOOL MASTER JUST LIKE HANGING AROUND LOL?!?!?! And how come Sophie and Agatha had no idea about the school for good and evil?? These little things kind of made me mad because it totally could’ve been put into the movie easily.
Anyways those are my thoughts. Again I didn’t hate the movie but as someone who had her favorite moments of the book be taken out I’m kind of sad lol. Let me know what you guys thought!
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tagatha-me-otp · 2 years
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Agatha, texting Sophie: Sophie! Help I’m being kidnapped
Sophie: Where are you?
Agatha: I’m with some strange person. In a car. Help.
Sophie: I’ll call Tedros.
Tedros, answering her cell: Y’ello?
Sophie: Where’s Agatha? They texted me that they were being kidnapped.
Tedros: Agatha? Whaddya mean, she's right next to me-
Tedros:
Tedros: I’ll call you back. *hangs up*
Tedros: THE NEW HAIRCUT ISN’T THAT BAD!
Agatha: WHO ARE YOU?!
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