Carnage Re-Write Part 6
Part 6/?
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Awesome, so now we just have to re-arrange our plot list into some semblance of order, add anything missing and remove anything extraneous, and boom! We have a plot outline, organized into scenes.
Villains: mayhem
Mulligan: shoot frances
Villains: in prison/institute
Cletus, Shriek: love you/getting moved to another institute convo
Title Card
Eddie & V: movies/games
Eddie & Mulligan: "he wants to talk to you" call
Venom: hunger (out of chocolate)
Mrs Chen's out too.
Friends =/= food intro
Settle on sushi (expensive, not satisfying, dead [non-nutritious]) and fries (doesn’t have any of the stuff V needs)
Eddie & Cletus: demands convo
Venom: sensory seeking behaviour
Eddie: hush V while trying to work
Eddie: be in a hurry
V&Eddie: stop mugger
Venom: hungry (rebuffed)
Eddie, Anne & Dan: Marriage Convo
Eddie: drive recklessly
Venom: save them
Eddie & V: jealousy convo
Friends =/= food reinforcement Re: Dan
Villains: pine for eachother (jealousy/pining resonance)
Eddie & V: wakeup sequence (first movie parallel)
Eddie: experience depression
Chickens: intro
Venom: experience sensory deprivation, hunger; exhibit sensory-seeking behaviour
V: try to do something nice for Eddie (backfires)
Eddie & Venom: breakfast scene
Eddie: experience sensory overload
Eddie: be in a hurry, drive recklessly
Cletus: recount backstory
Venom: like the sound of the mayhem
Cletus: wants message delivered to Frances
Venom: likens to wanting to fight for Anne
Venom: hunger (forbidden to leave apartment)
Venom: Sensory seeking behaviour
Venom: violate boundaries (go for a joyride)
Eddie: experience violated boundaries and consequences for V's actions (callback to Anne in 1st movie)
Eddie & Venom: breakup fight
Venom: breakup aftermath, bad decision
Venom: party hard
Venom: "coming out" and being persecuted euphemisms
Venom: do party drugs
Venom: experience sensory overload
Venom: break down and discuss Eddie & bad hosts with drunk girls in bathroom while hiding in bathroom from overload
Venom: miss Eddie for practical reasons
Partygoers: suggest finding a better partner
Venom: find a better host
Eddie: breakup aftermath, bad decision
Eddie: do productive writing
Chickens: have needs
Eddie: head to Mrs Chen's for chicken advice
Eddie: see someone in trouble along the way, get roughed up trying to help someone
Eddie & Mrs Chen: do business
Mrs Chen: chickens=venom re:needs
Venom: break Cletus out
Mulligan: call Eddie re: breakout
Eddie: try to do Venom-style investigation without Venom
Eddie: miss V for practical reasons
Eddie: get arrested for B&E
Eddie: call on a friend
Anne: girlboss, practice law
Eddie: get relationship advice
Anne: getting Eddie out will take time
Eddie: experience consequences
Eddie: experience sensory deprivation
Eddie: sensory seeking behaviour
Eddie: miss Venom for emotional reasons
Cletus & Venom: joyride
Cletus: rescue Frances & other inmates
Villains: party hard, cause mayhem
Cletus: experience minor setback
Cletus & Carnage: sensory seeking behaviour
Cletus: eats a "friend"
Venom: Friends=/=Food
Venom & Cletus: breakup fight
Venom: experience violated boundaries
Carnage: born
Venom: experience consequences
Venom: get stranded with dying host
Venom: call on a friend
Carnage & Cletus: introductions, insta-bond 100% match
Frances: Jealous
Cletus: proposes to Frances (carnage can come too)
Villains: plan wedding guests
Dan: be helpful and unflappable
Venom: explain panic & call for help
Dan: patch someone up (temp host)
Venom: miss Eddie for emotional reasons
Venom: get relationship advice
Dan: Liken Eddie to chickens re: needs
Dan: confirm that he and Anne will still be their friends, Eddie or no
Venom: forgive Dan & let go of Anne
Villains: burst into police station
Carnage: gets hit by Scream's sonics
Carnage: experience sensory overload
Cletus: mediate Carnage & Shriek
Mulligan: get kidnapped
Carnage: smells Eddie
Villains: 2 for 1, kidnap Eddie too
Leave Anne alive, tell her to get word to V
Dan gets call from Anne
Dan & Venom: meet Anne and Mrs Chen at Church
Anne is better host: She-venom
She-Venom downs chocolate & chicken & tots from Mrs Chen
She-Venom: enter church
Villains: have hostages
Carnage: explain motivation re: venom
Frances: explain motivation re: mulligan
Cletus: explain motivation re: Eddie
Carnage, Shriek, Cletus: start marriage
She-Venom: Objects
Venom: wishes to bond with Eddie instead of Anne for this wedding
Villains: bicker
Cletus, Shriek, and Carnage: domestic violence
Cletus: Protest
Frances: realization
Carnage: violate boundaries
Cletus: experience violated boundaries
Venom & Eddie: notice the villains are unsynched
Eddie & Venom: Needs/wants talk while fighting villains
Eddie & Venom: Get the upper hand
Villain: Grab a hostage
Eddie & Venom: Lose the upper hand
Shriek: turn the tables on Carnage
Carnage: experience sensory overload
Shriek: fight Carnage for Cletus
Villains: Breakup fight
Priest: the villains are like chickens
Everyone:???
Priest: They will peck their own flockmates to death at the hint of blood
Everyone: ????
Priest: I grew up on a farm
Venom & Eddie: Win fight
Cletus: complain to Eddie that he just wanted to be his friend
Venom: Friends =/= food payoff "Friends are not food. … You, however"
Cletus: Get eaten
Fight Wrap-Up
Eddie & Venom: escape before cops get there
Mulligan: buy them some time
Credits Roll
Mid-Credits Scene:
Eddie & Venom unpacking heavy-duty stim toys while discussing their plan to go on a vacation and have some "them" time to figure things out
Venom: mention that they have some time now foodwise, since they glutted while in cletus
Eddie: verbally accept that he's going to have to compromise some on the foood thing.
Venom: verbally accept that Eddie needs quiet time sometimes, and mention some options for what it could do/who it could bond with in the meantime
(Or this could be like a list of options on a whiteboard in the bg.)
End--credits scene:
Spider-man sees Venom break Cletus out of prison on cameras, then Eddie escaping from the Church aftermath
End Credits
Heads up: I'm probably going to stop with the outline, but if anyone wants to take it and make an actual fic, or a modified version of the movie script, or anything like that, be my guest! I'd love to see it, I just have too many wips already to actually get into the fic part. :)
Any other suggestions on things to change in this outline?
Regardless, I have at least one more post in this series: my initial re-write burst from right after I woke up, mentioned at the start of this all. I haven't looked at it since starting to write all this up, so we get to see what I've improved on or forgotten about since then.
Hopefully I will be finished @symbruary by May
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so I saw this article today
That says "5 years later, Sony still doesn't understand why it's biggest spider-verse hit worked"
And the article mainly talks about how the Venom films are self contained and don't try to be films in a cinematic universe. They have a clear identity. Yes, there is no Spider-Man in them, and that's okay because they knew what they wanted to do without him when they made the films. They even say at one point "the Venom films are not for everyone, but at least they know what they are"
This is something I personally have talked about many times. And I've seen other Venom fans talk about. And what I'm seeing MCU fans starting to say more and more now. The movies work when they have a clear story and identity and don't feel interchangeable or formulaic.
You could take any Disney plus marvel show or 'phase 4' movie and switch the characters around and the story would probably stay largely the same, or at least feel the same. We all know what I mean right? The characters all make quips like Tony Stark no matter if it is in character or not. They talk and act the same.
But the Venom films? You couldn't take Tom Hardy's Eddie and swap him with the mcu cast. He acts so differently than 90% of them, he wouldn't fit in. He's fucking weird and unhinged and is very much Tom Hardy's brain child.
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Also the Venom movies worked because queer people liked them. The films were hugely popular with LGBT audiences but you didn't hear that from me 👀👀👀👀
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Little Things I Loved from Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse:
Mrs. Chen being completely unfazed by the Spot. Mrs. Chen showing up in general.
The legos!
Spider-Punk cheering on MayDay; “Kid’s an anarchist,” “Take a crap on the establishment, I like it.”
There’s a part where one of the Doctor Octopuses says “Hi Peter” and I’m 99.9% sure it was Alfred Molina’s voice from “No Way Home”
The other little scenes/pictures from the original Spider-Man movies with Tobey and the ones with Andrew.
Ben Reilly narrating everything he does. (Shoutout to Andy Samberg)
Peter Parkedcar
Donald Glover as the Prowler!
Miguel’s suit has little glitches on them, or like static.
There was a Spider-Man holding a hockey stick.
Dino-Spider-Man!!
“Well maybe you should just get off the kid’s ass.”
Jefferson Morales calling Gwen “emo.”
Peter using his bath robe as a cape.
Mayday shooting a web at the phone to take a picture of her and Peter.
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