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"Nevermore, old Väinämöinen,
Nevermore in all thy life-time,
While the golden moonlight glistens,
Nevermore wilt fix thy vision
On the meadows of Väinölä,
On the plains of Kalevala;
Full six years must swim the ocean,
Tread the waves for seven summers,
Eight years ride the foamy billows,
In the broad expanse of water;
Six long autumns as a fir-tree,
Seven winters as a pebble;
Eight long summers as an aspen!"
#my art#karjala#Kalevala#Kalevala Epic#Väinämöinen#Joukahainen#rune 6#rune VI#Elias Lönnrot#Karelian folklore#Finnish folklore
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This is more for mun, than for Finland in rp. and this isn't a question. My sister and I had discussed the human names in Hetalia and that Himaruya isn't the greatest at them. We got to Finland, and talked about his last name. We learned that he's a mythological figure. ok cool. the more we talked, the more we made some headcanons. Finland is canonically... bad at naming things. His name choices for the dog, before settling on Hanatamago were strange. (1/?)
((That is a fun hc! I will say though, Väinämöinen actually doesn't sound unrealistic as a Finnish last name. :D
Names of figures from Kalevala are more often used as first names (such as my two cats Kyllikki and Kullervo :3), but Ilmarinen and Tapio are good examples of last names taken from the mythology!
I haven't encountered Väinämöinen as a last name in the wild so to speak, but a shortened Väinämö does indeed exist both as a given name and family name. (It actually happens to be our current president's middle name!) So a whole Väinämöinen as a last name would probably be rare but not raise eyebrows here!
(EDIT: according to a quick search on the civil registry there have been exactly 7 people with the last name Väinämöinen, though none currently living. (unless...?) I also looked up my last name and it's only ever been owned by 83 people, living or dead, so hey a pretty special boy over here >:3)
tldr; dave gilgamesh? in finland? more likely than you think))
#((from reading the post linked in replies i actually realized i haven't really considered Fin's middle name!))#((maybe Kalevi? just off the top of my head?))#((edit i tried out some more -nen ending kalevala names on the registry out of curiosity-#-and apparently there are also a handful of people with the last names Joukahainen and Lemminkäinen! the more you know))
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My brain, out of nowhere: Kalevala Highschool au
#ilmatar would be the one to build the school#väinämöinen is the proncipal#ilmarinen teaches arts/crafts#lemminkäinen in the popular student who flirts with everything that moves#joukahainen would be self-proclaimed rival of Väinämöinen’s and a physics teacher#the principal’s office would be called Kalevala#office of the infamous math teacher Louhi would be called Pohjola#I have a love/hate relationship with my brain#finnish#suomi#finland#kalevala#ELIAS LÖNNROT AS THE STUDENT NARRATING ABOUT SCHOOL HAPPENINGS
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Hey i have a question
I see that you are Finnish probably? One of my mutuals has a question about a Finnish phrase that translated literally as "i will read you into a lake" or something similar, but I could not find mentions of this phrase online (they are looking for a particular post). Can you please tell me what it would be in Finnish? Google translate isnt of much help...
Could it perhaps have been "I will sing you into a swamp"? Laulan sinut suohon. Because that is a reference to old finnish folklore. Many old finnish spells, curses and blessings were written down as poetry, but were recited by singing instead of just speaking, in a handful of very specific song forms. Epic poetry and stories were usually also sung, making the tales easier to remember and recite.
While the collection process and end result of the epic poem Kalevala is Problematic™ in ways that I won't bother to go into (I will just get my ass chewed if I don't go out of my way to aknowledge that), the tale features a scene early on in the beginning, where the great wizard demigod Väinämöinen meets a youth named Joukahainen on a narrow road, and neither of them is willing to move out of the way so the other could go first.
It turns out that Joukahainen had been looking for Väinämöinen for some time in order to challenge him in a battle of powers, but he was already down to fight this old man before figuring out that this is actually the demigod he was looking for to begin with. They begin a battle through song-magic, in which Väinämöinen sings Joukahainen's horse into stone, and Joukahainen himself into a swamp.
While the story itself gets pretty grim pretty soon after that, I want to point out how comical this whole scene is, though it's never depicted that way. Imagine walking in on an epic wizard rap battle between an ancient demigod wizard who is literally older than the universe as we know it, and a 15-year-old boy. Ancient powers are commanded through song to reshape the foundations of the Earth over a traffic issue that could have been resolved in 5 seconds, but neither of them is willing to be the bigger person about this.
This conflict escalates to the point where people die over it.
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Revenge of Joukahainen | 1919 by Joseph Alanen
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Taking your blog topic full circle from Finnish language to D&D lore: is the archmage Mordenkainen Finnish?
To my knowledge Gary was inspired by Finnish mythological figures from the Kalevala when he named Mordenkainen. You can see the same -inen ending in names like Väinämöinen, Joukahainen, Ilmarinen, and so on. In a typical Gygaxian way he did kinda fuck up it, because while all of the above are perfectly sensible diminutive names derived from personal names Mordenkainen is kinda just nonsense. But you can definitely still see where its inspirations lie and I think it's neat regardless of its loyalty to the source material.
Anyway I don't know about Mordenkainen as a character too much but reading about him on a fan wiki I found this passage:
Typically stubborn and one who did not suffer fools gladly, Mordenkainen could be difficult even with his friends.
Which does sound kinda stereotypically Finnish. So yeah, as a Finn I think I feel it's fair that we get to claim Mordenkainen as recompense for Ed Greenwood fucking up Loviatar and Mielikki.
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Filipino & Finnish mythology & folklore in my recent work
Today I'd like to share the Filipino & Finnish mythology & folklore I’ve incorporated in my work so far. This includes The Quiet is Loud, Seeker of the Lost Song, Seeker’s sequel, and my new science-fantasy novella Tempest Ascending.
Folklore/mythology from the Philippines:
✦ Nuno sa punso, a nature spirit who takes the form of an old man living in a mound of earth
✦ Tikbalang, a half-horse, half-human trickster who lives in the forests and mountains
✦ Siyokoy, a humanoid sea creature with a scaled body, large red eyes, and sharp teeth
✦ Engkanto, an umbrella term for various enchanted spirits
✦ A certain deity that I can’t reveal because it’s a spoiler but SO COOL
✦ Actually, make it two, why not?
Folklore/mythology from Finland:
✦ Tuonela, the land of the dead, popularly appearing in the Kalevala
✦ Ukko, the god of thunder, the sky, and weather
✦ Haltija/Haltia, a guardian spirit that protects places or people
✦ Spell-song, which is featured in the Kalevala and also in real-life poem-singing competitions called kilpalaulanta
Honestly, nothing feels more life-affirming than combining the mythology and folklore of both of my wildly different cultures into a cohesive whole that works together. I don’t think it’s too cheesy to say that it feels healing.
Väinämöinen sings Joukahainen into a mire, Joseph Alanen. Tempera painting with a motif from Kalevala 1912-1913.
#amwriting#fantasy novel#science fantasy#sci fi and fantasy#seeker of the lost song#the quiet is loud#filipino history#finnish history#filipino mythology#finnish mythology#kalevala
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Akseli Gallen-Kallela (1865–1931), illustrations from the Kalevala
The Defense of the Sampo (Sammon puolustus), 1896
Lemminkäinen’s Mother (Lemminkäisen äiti), 1897
Ilmarinen Ploughing the Field of Vipers (Ilmarinen kyntää kyisen pellon), 1928
Aino Myth, Triptych, 1891
By the River of Tuonela (Tuonelan joella), 1903
Joukahainen’s Revenge (Joukahaisen kosto), 1897
Lemminkäinen at the River of Fire (Lemminkäinen tulijoella), 1920
Kullervo Cursing (Kullervon kirous), 1899
The Abduction of Sampo (Sammon ryöstö), 1905
Forging of the Sampo (Sammon taonta), 1893
#Kalevala#Akseli Gallen-Kallela#Akseli Gallen Kallela#art#mythology#Finland#Finnish mythology#Sampo#Kullervo#Forging of the Sampo#The Abduction of Sampo#The Defense of the Sampo#Lemminkäinen's Mother#Ilmarinen Ploughing the Field of Vipers#Aino#Lemminkäinen#Tuonela
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February 28th is Kalevala Day in Finland, to celebrate the Finnish national epic. in the Kalevala, the jealous and impetuous Joukahainen challenges the great demigod Väinämöinen to a battle of song. He is promptly sung down into a swamp, and is about to fatally lose until he promises his young sister, Aino, as a wife for Väinämöinen. Joukahainen returns home in shame. While his mother is delighted at the prospect of Väinämöinen as a son-in-law, Aino is horrified at being married off to an old man, and drowns herself to escape her fate; she either dies, or is turned into a fish, depending on the interpretation.
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I'm reconstructing my plan to illustrate the "Kalevala" epic, so here's a little spoiler with Joukahainen
/I want to warn you that when drawing characters from "Kalevala", I based on my impressions and fantasy, so they may not match with other artists/
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This might come as a surprise, I made a game! Yes, I made a short little test game set in the Kalevala universe of Finnish myths and legends. I’ve already done one game in the past, but that was in 2013 or so and the old link is long dead. Not sure where that one is atm. But here’s a link to the game:
https://dumbfinntales.itch.io/vinminen-the-adventure
You’ll find all you need on the itch.io page including install instructions. I’ll talk a little more about the experiences and what I learned under the read more. So if you’re not interested, enjoy! The game is very short.
I made the game with the intention of learning Unity and it being my first ever test project, so it wasn’t meant to be super polished. But I decided to share it publicly because I am somewhat proud of it. But boy was it a learning experience.
For one I learned that making detailed animation is HARD. I need to find a more simplified art style and try new methods for making animation. I’m just not good enough at making animation frame by frame and actually make it look good. You can see me try that with the giant fish enemy, and then completely give up with animation on the Joukahainen boss fight.
I also learned that making games is hard. Things that seem so simple to implement are actually really difficult. Like I tried to make an enemy spawn when the player reached a specific spot and then give the enemy a spawn animation. Simple, right? Nope. A ton of problems cropped up like the enemy attacking in its spawn animation, the enemy instantly respawning after dying or it just turns immortal for whatever reason. In the end I got it to work, but my code probably looks like spaghetti.
But in the end this was a valuable learning experience. I did the whole project on my free time, and I admit I took long breaks from it. I was supposed to finish this last summer. I’m currently in a school for programming and there’ll be some game development courses, so we’ll see what things I’ll produce in the coming years!
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aprils nonsense, the metallo sketch got jpeg’d because i didnt save it onto the file & had to grab it from discord
#📱#OC stuff#FC stuff#fandom stuff#doodles#furry#unnamed OC#perrine brodeur#joukahainen koskinen#hui xiang#sugar nemeth#poppy pasternak#umeko fujimori#metallo#john corben#dreamkeeper#genesis fries#dc#anomaly.png
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It’s funny how no matter where you’re from, your old folk legends and ancient epics are a lot like the far smaller and far more real family stories you get told about what kind of adventures and endeavours your parents, aunts, uncles and other family were up to before you were born. You get told the simplified, sanitised version as a little kid, and many of them are funny to you because why would anyone do such silly things when even you, a child, can tell what would have been a more logical solution.
Then you grow up and find out more context to it, and discover that there was a lot of drinking and fucking, and occasionally unfunny violence, going on that they left out of the kiddy-friendly version of the stories. And from the shoddy context clues of how the stories were relayed to you, you pierce together that a lot of the time the reason why the heroes of these stories were making these bad choices on their silly adventures was either because they were shitfaced drunk, not coping well with trauma, grief or undiagnosed and untreated mental illness, or a combination of all of above.
Except for Väinämöinen. There is no understandable, sensible reason to be starting a wizard battle with a teenager you just met over who gets the right of way in traffic. Like the dude is literally older than the foundations of the Earth, and every context clue in Lönnrot’s version of the story points to Joukahainen being like 15 or 16 years old. A lot of tragic and terrible choices are made in Kalevala because the people are confused, frightened, angered, in despair or distress, but this ancient fucking wizard demigod with the power to sing people into stone, bully ancient giants, travel to the underworld in search for words of power, to slay a pike the size of a boat and make a fucking kantele out of its jaw bone, just starts shit with people for no other reason but because he’s a dick. Motherfucker is capable of anything except being the bigger person in any situation.
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HKT has asked for your help in casting Moulin Rouge, who do you go with?
What's the coolest/cutest/prettiest/nonspecifically best bird you've seen lately?
What would you make a video game of?
Kalevala the Musical happens (either the Telander one or an imaginary one) and for reasons unknown becomes a huge fandom hit. What annoys you the most about the tumblr fandom?
Thank you!
1: Well, seeing we don't even know if they're really doing it, I think I'll decline to comment. You see, I think there is some wisdom in the Wicked lyrics Don't wish, don't start, wishing only wounds the heart...
2: I love every Eurasian tree sparrow I see. The chocolate brown tops of their little heads are so cute, I just want to give all of them a little smooch.
3: See my previous post about Stardew Valley meeting Så som i himmelen...
But also, I would make a game where you build your own national park. Think SimPark, but way more complicated and aimed at an adult audience. First, there would be a god mode where you can build the area, mountains and rivers and plants and animals and all that good stuff. Then you would move into the management mode, where you'd have to create a profitable camping site, keep people from littering and picking plants they're not supposed to pick, introduce animals that are released from zoos into your park's ecosystem, deal with PR disasters like bears eating a bunch of campers or a Donner party situation taking place due to some unexpected heavy snowfall... I'd love to play a game like this.
4: The Väinämöinen/Joukahainen shippers. Also the people who misinterpret Aino's story... but there are less of them than there are VäinäJouka shippers, and the shippers have terrible hot takes and weirdass fanart that woobifies both characters, so I'm going with them.
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One of my favorite folk/false etymologies has to be a Finnish one: I have run into the claim that "rap," as in the genre of music and style of singing, was originally an acronym. But specifically a Finnish acronym. "Rytmisesti artikuloitu puhe," or "rhythmically articulated speech."
Now, whoever wrote that was not making the claim that rap music was invented by Finns, because this same article did acknowledge the fact that rapping was an African-American innovation, so they simply had a bit of a head empty moment where they were passing a backronym as the original term and never stopped to consider that their folk etymology didn't make sense in context. Still really funny.
Of course one could also make the reading that the songs of the Kalevala, as poetic rhymes that were subject to a strict trochaic tetrameter, were actually an early form of rapping, and the singing contest between Väinämöinen and Joukahainen was in fact the first recorded rap battle,
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