I literally don’t get how people say Sam isn’t the main character?? Like if you remove Sam you literally don’t have a plot…at all…not a single season could happen if you removed Sam from the equation
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I said it at the time and having just scrolled past a post attempting to summarize the Events of Nov 5th 2020 I stand by the sentiment: it doesn’t matter how you explain it there is no way to explain the sheer visceral impact of the sentence “Destiel is canon”—and the fact that this became a true statement in 2020—to someone who was not around for at least some of the years when Supernatural was not just big but nigh inescapable. Like, I’m sorry, but if you don’t have some backlog knowledge of Supernatural’s Got A Gif For Every Post and the Mishapocalypse and Dean In Gym Shorts then I can’t help you, I can’t explain it, no human language I am aware of has yet come up with words adequate to describe the scale of surreality that occurred that night
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that destiel vs mulder/scully poll is so funny cause the sheer number of references to x-files in spn alone should give you a pretty clear idea on the stakes at play here
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leviathan!charlie also takes care of the weird plothole about her going from “hunting & hunters are scary and dangerous wtf get away from me” to “oh wow murdering people is soooo fun, guys!!! i just wish it was more magical!!!” because in this scenario it is not her going into hunting and somehow being in complete denial of the bloody reality of it, but her actually regressing to more violent tendencies in order to keep in contact with the Winchesters, who are basically the only friends she has.
leviathan!charlie who teamed up with them to take down dick specifically so that she would not have to act like she did in purgatory and could find a new life, but inevitably being drawn into the black hole of hunting/winchester-related violence. leviathan!charlie who sets out like vampires can to feed on animals…. and the occasional asshole, but that one shaky spot on her moral ground gives her room to backslide into seeing the monsters she hunts as just more assholes to eat (regardless of the fact that they are her!!! she’s a monster too! she just got lucky siding with sam and dean first!) leviathan!charlie who tries to hold onto the humanity she painstakingly taught herself, but the longer she’s around the winchesters, the harder it is to be anything but a monster.
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So confused about the amount of people saying "omg...... In Dean's perfect world..... His father is DEAD" when in 2x20 Dean is not experiencing what would be his perfect world, it's explicitly said in the episode that he wished for his mom to not have died, and everything else is a byproduct of that. I get that people don't like John (pussies tbh) but come on this is embarrassing they can't even pay attention to 40 minutes of television without hallucinating whatever they wanna hear and see
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supernatural was literally about sam realising he likes hunting and helping people and about dean admitting over and over again that he never wanted this life, that he wants to retire.[looking directly at 15x20] ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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I think fandom is most divided on s8 in the Sam and Dean wars, like the Dean stans and D/sticule never shut up about it as evil Sammy won't let Dean have friends and the codependency evil and bad and i woke and good and do media right by hating the codependency and every evil person who likes it. Then they'll share Cas and Dean beating each other and how hot it is and how you should like toxic characters and toxic dynamics bcz that's the POINT guys, do media right but you HAVE to be against the codependency and want to get it fixed via D/stiel and characters should be treated like real people who deserve better which is a found family and being gay, or you are evil and not woke like us who do media right and know what's wrong with the show which is that its about glorified toxic family and not about toxic glorified found family. Wah.
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Like I know I’m connecting dots that are so niche but, like, I’ve finally been getting into Revolutionary Girl Utena (a 90s anime, btw) and like - maybe because of the brainworms, maybe because the parallels are clear, maybe because I do this with all media - I’ve noticed that, comparatively, the relationship between Utena and Anthy is similar to Dean and Cas from - of course - Supernatural.
On the surface you’d think Dean is Utena and Cas is Anthy. But you can also argue the reverse, that Cas is the Utena and Dean is the Anthy. And there’s also a part of me that is like “both can be true neither media is a copy and paste of each other, they just follow similar narrative structures and tropes”.
But if you were to take these characters and place them into their respective universes, Utena would take Dean’s place while Anthy would take Cas’s. Meanwhile, Cas would take Utena’s place while Dean took Anthy’s.
It’s confusingly complex.
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The weirdest take I've seen on Reddit is that the show made John Winchester a worse father in the later seasons than he was initially. That the worst he did early on was being a bit distant and training his sons from a young age. And of course, that stuff wasn't that bad because it was necessary to keep them safe.
Just off the top of my head here's what we get from season 1 alone. Dean being traumatized by John's treatment of him following the shtriga attack. John disowning Sam for going to college. John refusing to pick up his phone when Dean is literally dying. John physically intimidating Sam during an argument - one that started simply because Sam refused to go along with whatever John said to do without asking questions. Dean having to physically get between the two of them and having to physically pull them apart before they attacked each other.
There's a load of other stuff from the first 3 seasons as well. If anything, the show took a stronger stance regarding John's terrible parenting in those seasons than any of the later ones. The longer John was dead, the fonder the boys became of him.
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