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moons2stars · 4 years

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Betty Cooper’s Character Study (Ignoring the latest episode)

Because I am choosing to ultimately ignore cannon from this point on as they disregarded Betty’s character, and I need some postivity. So I am going to go into detail on Betty’s characterization, and head cannons. I am in no way justifying cheating or dismissing anyone’s pain, but I am just emphasizing that our Betty would never cheat. We all know this, but it doesn’t hurt to be reminded. Obviously this is all my opinion, and feel free to add on.

Betty Cooper is a very complicated character who is initially presented as the perfect girl next door with a crush on her childhood friend and neighbor.

While the show has many faults with depicting mental health, and following through I think her charter set up was really well done. Another thing about Betty is her need for perfection. Her mother always expects the best from her, and I think it sets up some of her trauma.

However, there is way more to her character than a bubbly,kind, and idealistic girl who is second best to Archie. Her crush on Archie was I think based on an ideal version of love. Of course she was raised to uphold a certain image. i think Archie matched what she thought love looked like. She has an inner darkness that she doesn’t know what to do with, and is loyal to a fault. She feels the need to find justice, and stand up for those who can’t stand up for themselves. The girl nearly drowned Chuck, because he hurt her sister. When she finds something wrong or threatening she goes all in even if the truth hurts her. She doesn’t give up.

When Betty, and Jughead get together she goes all in. She even throws Jughead a surprise Birthday party which goes poorly, but it sets up even more development between the two. She is able to open up about her self harming. When Jughead’s dad gets arrested, she is there for him in many ways, and stands up for both Jug and his dad. While she has concerns about Jughead joining the Serpents, she supports him in every way. She even tries joining the Serpents to become part of his world. Yes, I know we also disregard that whole cringy strip dance, but I do think Betty had good tensions. The point is that when Betty loves someone she goes all in. In season three, Betty and Jughead show that they are stronger than ever, and constantly take on things together. In season 4 she urges him to go to Stonewall, because they are strong and will get through anything. She proofs his stories, and show unwavering support. there are so many other amazing Bughead moments I didn’t include, but I’d be here forever. Of course, Jughead is an amazing boyfriend but for now I am analyzing Betty’s character.

How I relate to Betty

Honestly, I think Betty is the character I’ve related to the most. She is kind, and I think people underestimate her which I can really relate to. She feels the need to accommodate to everyone’s needs, and has her set of family problems. I think she just makes me feel seen, and heard.

Head Cannons I have decided about Betty with the influence of the fandom

Bad at Baking- I know this is probably unpopular, and even though I love fics where Betty bakes I don’t think she does. I don’t think her mom would be the type to let her bake, and if Betty tried Alice would probably think she was doing it wrong and take over. I think when she is feeling rebellious, and she wants to make Jug a cake or something she tries, and fails miserably. Juggie probably pokes fun at her for it.

A blanket hogger/ bed hogger- This one I do agree with. Betty either kicks the blanket off the bed or snatches them from Jug, but he still shares the blanket with her even though she proposes they use two separate ones. I have this feeling that she also spreads out like a starfish. She probably accidentally kicks Jug in her sleep, but he can’t be mad.

Scary Movie Freak- We all know Jug loves scary movies or all movies for that matter, but I have a feeling that Betty loves watching them. When Jug let’s her pick the movie she almost always goes for scary. After all, she’s all about the beast within.

Idealistic- Okay so this one is pretty obvious, but I think Betty sees the best in everyone until they give her a weird vibe. I think she probably trusts too much.

Big Appetite- So I can’t really pin point why I have this belief, but I just do. She is a polite eater, but she can eat like half her weight. She doesn’t do it often, because her mother never let her, and it wasn’t ladylike, but once she got with Jug she constantly ate with him. She’d probably give him her extra food just cause she knows he likes eating off her plate, but the girl can eat.

Sock fanatic- Again I can’t pinpoint this, but Betty is always wearing socks. Even in bed she just always wears them. Jug probably teases her for wearing them in bed, but she just gets cold feet.

Little Spoon- Betty Cooper is a little spoon, and you cannot convince me other wise. I mean it’s cannon.

Okay so those were only some of my head cannons so I hope you enjoyed. This ends my whole meta on all my thoughts about Betty. To be honest there are way more, but I’d be here forever. If you’d like to add anything please do, and tag me I’d like to see it. maybe I’ll even do one on Jug. This is a crazy time, and everyone copes differently, but just know you don’t have to accept what doesn’t make you happy. I had a lot of thoughts, and I had to break down why I fell in love with Betty’s character in the first place. The bottom line is that we as a fandom have a lot more interest in seeing justice in Betty’s characterization than the writers. So just remember that, and know that Bughead is still alive here. not only did I fall in love with Bughead, and Betty but I fell in love with the fandom as well. so on that parting note, I love you all.

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imagine-the-feels · 7 years

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My Masterlist

Italics: Drabble

**= NSFW;

>>NEWEST<<

!!= author’s personal favorite

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TEEN WOLF

Scott McCall

Kira comes back for your boyfriend Scott

beneath the surface (I) (II) (III) (IV) (ALT.)

you and the pack go on vacation with each other, and you’re trying to get your mind off of your crush on Scott. a little game of truth or dare ends up going awry, as you realize the place you’re staying has more to it than you realize

The Beast of Beacon Hills (I) (II) !!

the beast is running rampant in beacon hills, and it seems unstoppable--until new information comes to light that has every bit to do with you.

Stiles Stilinski

You’re his innocent s/o in danger

HCS Poly Relationship w/Lydia

overwhelmed (Stydia x Reader)

stiles is starting to pull away from both you and lydia.

Lydia Martin

HCS on being her companion

HCS Poly relationship w/Stiles

Theo Raeken

I Thought of You

theo’s only weakness is you--the second successful chimera the dread doctors created. you’re both madly in love, but you slip through his fingers.

Reality

you find out your boyfriend theo isn’t who he says he is.

Liam Dunbar

Getting the Girl

liam has been your best friend for ages, until he pulled away from you as he became a werewolf. you friendship is almost nonexistent, until your name shows up on the deadpool.

Derek Hale

Is it Worth it?

kate goes after you.

Coming Back Home !!

you and derek were a thing before you had to leave to control your powers. things aren’t exactly the same when you get back.

Pack

Tattoos & Tater Tots

you have lunch with the pack.

THE FLASH

Barry Allen

Queen of the Castle

crossover with OUAT, you’re a rightful queen.

Harrison Wells

Don’t Mess With Mother Nature

the flash team imprisons h2′s wife.

Everything We Can

h2′s wife is kidnapped by a meta.

competition

h2 and leonard snart are very competitive courters.

Hunter Zolomon/Zoom

Being Hunter’s s/o & not knowing about Zoom (I) (II) (III) (IV) (V)

Don’t Leave Me

hunter needs you.

Cisco Ramon

Colds & Onesies

cisco isn’t in any condition to show up to his own rehearsal dinner.

Wally West

Earn it

wally has to earn you.

A Family Dinner

wally realizes he’s in love

Give it Up

wally’s drag racing addiction has consequences

Complications

you have complications during your pregnancy

Leonard Snart

Competition

h2 and leonard snart are very competitive courters.

DC LEGENDS OF TOMORROW

Ray Palmer

No Turning Back !!

ray’s in love, but it’s not all rainbows and roses.

RIVERDALE

Jughead Jones

Back on His Feet Masterlist ON HIATUS

you’re trying everything in your power to mend your relationship with Jughead.

Having a Love/Hate relationship with Jughead

HCS on being his GF

HCS on behing his BF

HCS on getting head**

HCS on being plus size & insecure

Who I Am

you finally come out to jughead.

Archie Andrews

HCS on being his GF

Betty Cooper

HCS on being her GF

Veronica Lodge

HCS on being her GF

Cheryl Blossom

HCS on being her GF

FP Jones

>>First Quarter<<

you’re archie’s older sister, and in a relationship with fp.

DC UNIVERSE

Jason Todd

West-Todd

some weird version of flashpoint that involves you being a west, and jason todd.

Bruce Wayne

Meeting Damian

MARVEL UNIVERSE

Bucky Barnes

Being Bucky’s Soulmate

TWILIGHT

Jasper Hale

Meeting the Major

you meet your husband’s alter ego for the first time.

SONS OF ANARCHY

Jax Teller

His Old Lady dies instead of Donna

EMERALD CITY

West

Ghosts of the Past

west finally finds you--her best friend that she thought was dead.

THE 100

Bellamy Blake

HCS on being his GF

C for NSFW Alphabet

NSFW Alphabet

THE ORIGINALS/TVD

Klaus Mikealson

HCS on being his Queen

CRIMINAL MINDS

Spencer Reid

The Way You Are

you don’t think you’re enough for spencer.

NSFW Alphabet**

Aaron Hotchner

Liability !!

strauss forces you to break your engagement with aaron.

DIVERGENT

Eric Coulter

Be Brave

eric proposes.

Tobias Eaton

The Truth’s Never Been this Hard

after fleeing dauntless after the attack on abnegation, the truth serum from candor forces you to reveal feelings you weren’t ready for.

ACTORS

Cole Sprouse

Late Late Show !!

you reveal your relationship with cole on the late late show with james corden.

>>5:58am<<

you unknowingly model for cole while watching the sun rise.

Cameron Monaghan

Live! With Kelly & Ryan !!

you talk about your unusual beginnings and relationship with cameron on live! with kelly and ryan

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cooperjones2020 · 7 years

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Second City, chp. 3

Summary: Sometimes she worries she’s settling — for a smaller job, a smaller city, a smaller life than she’d promised herself — but that was before she found out Jughead Jones lives in Chicago. That was before she found out the final secret of Jason Blossom’s murder.

A/N: As Juggie says, this chapter is a little bit meta. And pretty nerdy. I just have a lot of feelings about books, okay. Also I fudged with canon a little re: Jug’s writing style. So sue me.

ao3-->http://archiveofourown.org/works/11409360/chapters/25755798

Second City one / two

Nobodies Nobody Knows one / two (ao3)

In which Betty Cooper and Jughead Jones drink tequila

When the uber drops her off outside the bar Jughead selected, she buys herself some time by checking her email. She’s already spotted him inside but doesn’t know if he’s seen her, so the email-checking is a precautionary measure.

Though she wouldn’t be surprised if she had any last minutes notes from her boss.

The week thus far has not been kind to her. Cynthia found out she’d twisted the truth about her and Jug’s shared history. Turns out she once dated his agent. Cynthia also loves the idea that she’s the inspiration for Jughead’s heroine and is all over the plaster-Betty’s-picture-on-the-side-of-a-bus idea train.

Betty’s feeling that particularly potent mixture of nauseous because she’s disappointed someone, nervous about seeing Jughead, and migraine-y because she’s been staring at a computer screen all day. The farther the cab had gotten from the Loop, though, the more the nerves had emerged as the heavy favorite for emotion of the night.

She forces herself not to pace as she stares at her phone screen. Public spaces. She feels more comfortable about being around him in public spaces. They’d emailed about maybe doing the interview in either of their apartments, for sake of ease. She’s not ready to see his apartment. Being on the back of his motorcycle had been overwhelming enough. She isn’t ready to saturate herself with even more of him.

The prospect of her apartment is even more terrifying. She is afraid of what he would make of her life, what details and detritus he would weave into a narrative she couldn’t control.

A public space means no home field advantage. And it means an escape hatch, if she needs it.

She can see him inside, sitting in the far corner where the bar top meets the wall. He has his laptop out and a cup of coffee at his elbow, beanie covering his hair but for the one stray curl. If not for the wall of liquor she can see to the right of him, he could be in his booth at Pop’s.

Who drinks coffee at a bar at 8 pm?

Get a hold of yourself, Cooper. If you can’t feel brave, you can at least act like you do.

She goes in.

“Hey — sorry I’m late.”

He arches an eyebrow. “You’re not. And you know it.” Well she��s not early, which is the same thing. She busies herself setting her bag down and getting arranged on the bar stool while she keeps talking.

“How was Riverdale?”

“Great. Weird. They put my book in a special display in the library at Riverdale High. No matter that I didn’t graduate from there.”

“Well, I guess the story does take place there.”

“Yeah. Anyway, JB graduated and no one cried, so gold star for the weekend. I read your piece yesterday.”

His sudden change of topic gives her whiplash, but a sudden puff of warmth smokes in her stomach at his words.

“Oh thanks, you didn’t have to.”

“You know, I actually read it before I saw the byline and I wondered why the voice was so familiar. So which one was your favorite?”

She’s a little bit dazed by the compliment and doesn’t immediately put two and two together for the question.

“Favorite what?”

“Favorite bookstore.”

“Oh, right, duh. Um, Myopic, I think. Though Bookman’s Corner was a close second.”

His eyes crinkle when he smiles. “Good choices. Myopic is one of my favorites too. Did you go into the occult section? They have an armchair in the window in that room on the second floor that overlooks Milwaukee Ave. I wrote a good forty percent of the new book from that spot.”

“No I didn’t see it, I’ll have to go back.”

“You will.” She breaks eye contact when he doesn’t, and turns to the glass of water in front of her.

“Hey, Betts.” He reaches out and touches her hand briefly before retreating. “How about a drink?”

It is by far the least professional thing she’s ever done, but she truly, completely, 100% cross-her-heart-and-hope-to-die does not believe she will make it through this evening without alcohol. As if by magic, or the power of positive thinking, the bartender sets before her something bedecked with cherries and way too colorful to taste like anything other than cough syrup.

She looks at Jughead, wondering if he’d ordered something for her before she came in. But he’s frowning at the glass. The bartender nods to a table past the bar.

“Courtesy a that guy.” They both turn to look, and a man on the far side of room is raising his glass to her. She returns the gesture and, as usual, blushes, before turning her body more fully towards Jughead and crossing her legs. He puts a hand on the back of her chair.

“What a dick. Like he can’t see we’re together. Want me to go talk to him?”

“No, I’m a big girl. I can do it myself.”

“But—”

“No, Jug. I’m not going to let the two of you grunt over me like neanderthals arguing over a piece of meat. If you go over there, he’ll think you’re my boyfriend and that’s why he’ll back off. I don’t want it to be like that. I want him to back off because I say I’m not interested, not because you say so.”

She notices him exhale forcefully.

“Besides, what if he’s my one true love. If I don’t talk to him, I’ll never find out and then I’ll die alone surrounded by cats.”

“Why, Betty Cooper, are you being sarcastic?” An impish sort of mirth springs to his eyes and it makes something ache inside her.

“It’s not like you have the market cornered. I’ll be right back.” She takes her purse to the bathroom, with a pit stop to thank the man, and manages to get away without giving him her number. She’s not sure why—he is cute—but it feels like a betrayal somehow.

When she gets back, the bartender has replaced the frou frou drink with a shot of something clear. Tequila, she thinks, because it’s accompanied by a salt shaker and a wedge of lime resting on a napkin.

“You want to do tequila shots?”

“Liquid courage, Betts,” he says, in an echo of her thoughts from earlier. For a moment she feels guilty, but she’s glad he’s nervous too.

She squints at him and takes the shot, before delicately setting the lime rind back on the napkin. When she turns back, his grin could split his face.

“You’re a bad influence, Jones.”

“Always.”

When the bartender has cleared away the shot glasses in favor of a Goose Island for him and a glass of wine for her, he says, “So we should probably get started?”

“Yeah, that sounds good.” She sets up the recorder, thankful it’s a Wednesday and the bar is quiet. He hits the ground running. More verbose that she remembers. Charmingly articulate. She almost wishes they were doing a podcast instead of an article.

“The sequel came as a bit of a surprise. At the end of The Final Fissure, you revealed the murderer. What story is left to tell?”

“I don’t really think of Sweetwater Subtext—that’s the title by the way, nailed down for sure today—Anyway, I don’t think of Sweetwater Subtext as a sequel, though technically it is because some of it takes place later than Final Fissure. I think of them more as companions, separated by genre but connected by story. The Final Fissure is more plot-driven—definitely commercial fiction. Sweetwater Subtext explores more of the motivations of the characters, I’d say it’s more literary.”

“Does that mean it will alienate some of your original readership?”

“I hope not. I don’t think the genre should have anything to do with whether a story is compelling, enjoyable. I think writers—well, more likely critics—tend to underestimate readers. Preferring genre fiction like crime or romance or sci-fi doesn’t say anything about a reader’s abilities, only their interests. Readers have already developed a relationship with these characters, hopefully they care enough about them to want to know more.”

“I was surprised when I first picked up Final Fissure and saw the genre. You gave up on your Philip Marlowe fantasies.”

“Yeah, well, I don’t know how much hard boiled crime fiction you’ve read, but it usually doesn’t turn out well for the women. You get to college and take one theory course, and all of a sudden all you can see is the male gaze and the forced dichotomy between the ingenue and the femme fatale.

“Besides, you took over the story pretty early on and your voice—sorry, Betsy’s voice—was pretty insistent.”

Her mouth screws up at the mention of her fictional alter ego. “You just had to pick Betsy, didn’t you? Do you remember our third grade teacher called me that all year, no matter how many times me, or you, or Archie corrected her?”

“Yeah, sorry about that. I tried to call her every variation of Elizabeth there is. Eliza stuck for a while but I kept writing ‘Betts’ in spite of myself so calling her Betsy saved me a ton of rewriting and annoyed calls from my editor. Though she found other things to latch onto. She thought ‘Betsy’ was ‘too mid-century, not enough millennial.’”

Betty laughs at his air quotes. “I’ve thought that myself more than once. But you withstood the pressure?”

“Never let it be said that I don’t suffer for my art.”

He pops the toothpick that previously held her frou frou drink cherries into his mouth, and she tries hard not to fixate on the tip of his tongue as it rolls the piece of wood from tooth to tooth. Focus, Cooper. What’s next in her notes?

“One of the big changes this time around must be your relationship to your readers. Have you felt the pressure of people waiting for this story, of what they might want to happen next? Has it affected you, either in your work or in your life?”

“Obviously the story starts in your head. But as soon as it’s printed, readers make it their own. It’s a dialogue in which they define the story—and me as the author, by default—as much as by who they are as by who I am. In the case of The Final Fissure, I was just trying to tell the story. Writing it was as much an act of therapy for me as it was a work of literature for everyone else. I wrote it as a teenager and then sat on it for many years, before I had the emotional distance I needed to edit it into a shape that would hold some broader appeal. This time around, it’s a little bit meta. Sweetwater Subtext is the same narrator coming back to a defining event of his life, trying to understand how it’s shaped him. Final Fissure was for me, but Sweetwater Subtext I did write with a specific audience in mind.”

“Not the audience who’s bought and loved it?”

“No, something a bit narrower than that.”

She doesn’t quite know how to follow-up without asking him who the audience is, but that feels too intimate. So she switches gears.

“If you wrote The Final Fissure in high school, and Sweetwater Subtext in the last couple of years, what did you do in the meantime?”

“I wrote a lot of short fiction. Creative writing at a university pretty much runs on the short story workshop.”

“So should we be looking for a short story collection next?”

“Haha, no. I think I subjected my workshop-mates to enough of the torture that was my short fiction. And it definitely overlapped with the world of The Final Fissure and Sweetwater Subtext. Some of it got recycled into the two books. Maybe the story of Jason Blossom’s murder is the only story I have in me. Maybe I’ll be writing about it, who I was—who we were—then, for the rest of my life, in one way or another.”

Betty’s afraid to touch the subtext of that statement with a ten-foot pole. She presses the tip of her tongue against the back of her front teeth and wills herself not to flush. Or, if she does, hopes Jug will attribute it to the alcohol.

“Okay…so if the story is basically the same, how else was the writing experience different this time around?”

“In some ways, I think Sweetwater Subtext might have been harder to write — I’ve read The Final Fissure so many times but I also lived it. I’m not sure how to separate fact from fiction, I’m not sure if I know the difference. Sweetwater Subtext is much more internal, there’s much more room for error, interpretation.”

“Did your routine change? Anything in the physical process of how you wrote?”

“Definitely. Being an established author has conveyed a huge privilege on me. The Final Fissure was written in spare time at school or late nights at the diner. I’m still a nighttime writer. I still can’t write at home, I need people around me to observe. But writing gets to be the focus of my day now. I’ve also gotten better at letting other people see my writing. As a teenager, I was obsessive about making it perfect first.”

“Oh I remember.” They’re both facing ahead, so the recorder has a better angle, but she can see him smiling at her out of the corners of her eyes.

“But now, sometimes it’s just get it on the page and send it off, especially if I’m under a deadline. Still, though, I like some feedback if only to reaffirm my own conviction that I’m headed in the right direction. Actually, Archie looked at a few chapters of Sweetwater Subtext pretty early on.”

“Really? I can’t see him as a particularly dedicated editor.”

Jughead’s laugh is big, his head is thrown back and his shoulders shake. “No, definitely not. But it was more feedback on the content I was looking for, than the style. Whether I was crossing a line with anything.”

“Well, color me intrigued.”

“Good.”

She takes a risk. “I’m surprised Archie didn’t tell you I was moving here.”

“Yeah, well, we don’t exactly talk about you.”

It hurts. She knows it shouldn’t. She knows it makes sense. But it does. Because it sounds like ‘I don’t think about you.’

“Right, obviously. That was stupid of me.” Way to ruin it, Betty. “On a related note, what do you owe to the real people upon whom you base your characters?”

“That’s a question I’ve been wrestling with. The best answer I’ve been able to come up with, insufficient as it is, is honesty.”

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kyloren · 7 years

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Regarding the Finale and the upcoming Season Two

So, I feel like the finale’s purposeful hinting that Jughead’s possible joining of the Southside Serpents might create tension between him and Betty — given that she obviously gives him a concerned look when he puts on the oh, la la~ jacket, which understandably dampens his spirits some, more on that later — is a sort of red-herring.

The same way the pilot queer-baited viewers, the finale is V→A→B→J-love-square-baiting the audience and stirring up drama just to keep us guessing until Season Two premiere.

The finale established Varchie and Bughead as canonical ships, with the former going from semi-dating to actual dating, and the latter being a solid supercarrier (is it? or is it still a dreadnought?). And while sure, both vessels can hit turbulent waters and, hey, Riverdale is an adaptation of Archie comics, so V/A/B tension is expected (although I have an inkling the A/B part of it might be just from Archie’s side) — we have been hit over the head so many times with the Jughead/Betty and Archie/Veronica soulmate parallels that I honestly think that the show-runners intend those two ships to be eventual endgame. Please, please let Bughead be endgame. #CrossingFingers #HopingNoOneJinxedIt.

But back to my original point; it being that I have a few theories regarding the Southside Serpents storyline. One of which is that Jughead will eventually accept being a Serpent — hopefully with Betty’s support, but maybe without — in order to uncover the truth about the drug-ring in Riverdale and clear the Serpents of the allegations. He and Betty are too much of Intrepid Reporters to let that one go. Plus, Betty’s speech to her mother and then later to the town hinted she will take the truth by its dirty underpants and drag it into the light.

Maybe he won’t even join them in any official capacity, and his putting on the jacket was just the show-runners teasing the audience, but it was a very clear symbolic gesture that his allegiance is now with the Serpents and the Southside, and he will take their side over that of the people of the…err, I guess the Northside…? (Southside is still part of Riverdale, right? Does the better off side of town have a name?)

Somehow I feel like Betty will join him on the whole support the Southside…side. *face-palms* being real eloquent here. But as much as I would want a serpent!Bughead with Betty going all ‘Full Dark, No Stars’ on everyone’s asses, I am fairly sure Jughead will ultimately return to Riverdale High after an indeterminate amount of time at Southside High. As much as the Southside accepts him, Betty was right in saying he is Riverdale and he will return to where he is needed soon enough.

Plus, from a meta point of view, it is clear the entire core four is having some sort of Coming of Age storyline with Betty becoming a more confident person who stands up for what she believes in, Jughead coming to terms with his insecurities and finding both a place and the people he belongs with, Archie’s whole find-yourself arc, and Veronica unlocking a well-rounded-person achievement and becoming better, just as she promised to herself to do. So, Jughead’s season two storyline will obviously bring him back to Riverdale High.

All in all, the show-runners are trying for Romeo&Julet, Westside Story vibe for Bughead in the finale, but ultimately I think it is Varchie that will play out the star-crossed lovers theme in Riverdale, given the blatant allusions to the Hiram Lodge-Fred Andrews antagonism, while Bughead will have a more Neutral Good take on the Bonnie&Clyde-esque Battle Couple of Justice and Truth.

If it wasn’t blatantly obvious already, I could probably gush about Bughead moments in Sweet Hereafter for another 3k words, but I shouldn’t. I really shouldn’t. Though I will say this: hand-holding while running through the forest is a pretty underestimated romantic gesture. And now, I’ll try to reign in the Yes, that is my OTP! vibes.

Tangential observation, but I think the reason why Jughead was #WhenHeSmiles over the jacket was because it was concrete proof, along with the whole biker-gang spreading out at his doorstep, that what FP told him — “Serpents take care of their own” — wasn’t just him wishing on a star and stubbornly holding out on the law, but actually adhering to a code. So, Jughead got validation that his father wasn’t just being a stubborn moron and screwing himself over by not taking the deal, but was “sticking by his own”.

Side-bar: Who else teared up a bit when FP told Jughead in a roundabout way that he was proud of him; please, raise a hand?

Also, I think that Archie and Cheryl might not have a romance arc, as much as a substitute-sibling arc where a lot of Cheryl’s unresolved feelings regarding Jason will be projected onto Archie, who actually is a legit good person and probably is the best choice to be their recipient. I just really want those two to bond, okay?

In the same line of thought: Poor Cheryl. She needs a hug and some decent friends because her face in that scene where she was talking to Jughead and Veronica was about to ask her if she was okay, but was interrupted by Archie (or was it Kevin?) who ran there to tell them about Betty’s locker, well, it was just heartbreaking. Seriously #GiveCherylAHug2k17.

I’m fairly sure that Hiram is behind Fred’s shooting. That’s the reason why Hermione was so keen on buying him out; she was trying to protect her friend-slash-ex-lover from her husband, who, need I remind you, had already used violent underhanded tactics against Fred before.

Also, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if Hiram is involved in the drug trafficking and Clifford landing him in jail was his attempt at cutting Hiram out of it. But it might be just me. I tend to assume Hiram has his fingers in all the pies. All of them.

P.S. Can we go back to Jason, pls? In one of the first episodes Archie said Seventeen-years-old and how he will be remembered?, and when you look at Jason in hindsight, that line can’t help but break my heart.

Although I tend to think of Jason as a Base Breaking Character given how much of his characteristics are expositioned via other people’s subjective opinions of him, so he is very much subjected to Alternative Character Interpretation, he turned out to be a pretty solid kid. I mean, I used to think Cheryl was just waxing poetic about her bro-bro, viewing him through rose-coloured glasses and all that, a point that seemed to have been confirmed in episode 3 with the score-book, but…maybe he wasn’t a wolf in sheep’s clothing like I assumed.

The kid got his girlfriend pregnant, wanted to do the right thing by her, loved her enough to defy his family (Fridge Logic moment, but if Jason and Polly’s babies are ultra-super-Blossom, something Mama Blossom was totes okay with, then why didn’t the Blossoms want him to date Polly? I get why Coopers didn’t want that. Hal is anti-incest and Alice is very anti-Blossom, but C&P are very cool-with-casual-incest parents, so Jason dating Polly wouldn’t have been that horrible a thought for them to swallow.), and started being a drug mule in order to get the funds for them to run away. Which, I guess, was how he figured out Clifford’s involvement with the drug trafficking. Maybe he wanted to do something about that, too; he did have drugs stashed in his getaway car. Jason wasn’t the most upstanding citizen, but he tried to do good and was killed for it. …just…poor kid.

P.P.S. Also, slight confusion over here at my end. Let me get this straight. Jason got drugs A from the Serpents to move them somewhere. Since FP claims they don’t deal with hard stuff, drugs A might be marijuana or something. Somehow Jason found out that Blossoms traffic drugs B, which might be cocaine or something equally hardcore. The same drugs he had stashed in his getaway car. But since the show insists on calling all drugs just ‘the drugs’ and using virtually identical packages in their footage, I am still not sure if drugs A≠drugs B. Give me evidence, I beg you.

Rant over? Rant over.

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Riverdale Meta? Theories?

So @lostinafictionaluniverse made some amazing questions about the finale and what’s to come to next season, and this is my attempt at guessing/figuring out the answers so here I go:

-Who the fuck was Cliff Blossom doing business with in Montreal?

A: Well I think it’s pretty obvious it’s Hiram Lodge (aka Daddy Dearest) not only because FP’s comment to Hermione in episode 8 but also for the conversation Archie overheard at episode 9 where Penelope and Clifford mention then were the ones who sent him to jail and when Hermione and Ronnie discover the Blossoms sent a monthly income to Hiram.

Now my prediction as to what was the business about I think it was something crooked but not the drugs, my guess is that Hiram tríed to play Clifford as he did with Ethel’s dad (and probably many others) but being just as dishonest as him, Cliff managed to turn things around and send him to jail, or maybe they really were partners and Clifford dug up some shit on Hiram and sent him to jail to have the business all to himself.

-  Why the fuck did Cliff Blossom kill Jason? (yeah yeah I know – bcos Jason wanted to expose his business, but I need more than just a narrative that emerged!)  

A: So a theme very prominent in the Blossoms (and in Hal Cooper who is also a Blossom xD) was the legacy and the importance of keeping the name of the family in a high and important place, Cheryl was the black sheep because her parents see her as someone that causes trouble (too volatile, too emotional, too needy, in resume weak) in contrast they have their golden boy: Jason. Penélope gives a pretty accurate description of the father-son relationship they have on episode 12: “He (Cliff) was grooming Jason to be his heir!” that’s pretty telling tbh, she didn’t say ‘he was his son’ or ‘he loved him’ but make an emphasis on Jason’s role in the family and their status quo among the Blossoms that we also get to see on episode 9 with their sticky maple ritual and the whole coven/vampire from Twilight look from the board an insight about the Blossoms as a family, as soon as Jason was dead they came to Riverdale to put pressure on Cliffy-boy to choose a new heir among them, that’s why they put on the whole Archie/Cheryl power-couple façade, to mantain the highest position among the family/business/

Now we have Jason, who was dating Polly (that bothered Hal more than the Blossoms of course because ‘ewwww incest’ but the Blossoms see it as ‘those babies are more pure Blossom than anything’ #I’m kinshaming you Penelope) which was not entirely good with his parents (they still don’t like the Coppers) but it’s really inconsecuential and they don’t try to separate them at the beginning, until Jason tells them Polly is pregnant at that moment they cared about their image and of course this wasn’t in their plans! Jason was supposed to finish school, go to collage and then take over the business, what do they do? Well according to what we’re told by Polly and her statement to Sheriff Keller they ordered him to break up with her, and he did (but I think he did so to pretend and gain some time to come up with a plan) for a short time, then they got engaged in secret with Nana Rose as their witness/supporter, I think by then he already had the idea of faking his death, but everything goes wrong, he ends up dead and Polly with the Sisters of the quiet Mercy.

Now in FP’s statement he says Jason went to him for a transport and money, which concides with what Trev tells to Betty in their ‘date’ Jason distanced himself from his friends at school and started selling his things, now I think as careful as Jay-Jay might’ve been, Penelope or Clifford were bound to notice the missing stuff and the wierd attitude, from there it was easy to suppose why, and that’s when Clifford confronted him, we know from Cheryl this was the day before they faked his death at the Sweetwater River, by then I guess Jason was too confident about getting away that he told his dad the things he always wanted to say but never dared in resume I think he told him he wasn’t going to direct the company ever, and not only that he threatens to expose him (the drug business) if he doesn’t let them (Jason and Polly) get away

I think Clifford had someone spying on Jason, and from there he knew about his plan of eloping and of his deal with FP, at frist Clifford confronts him to try to convince him not to let down the family and all that jazz, but when Jason refuses and on top of that threatens him, he loses it.

He indirectly warns the Coopers about Polly’s plans, and trusts that Hal’s hate and Alice’s need to keep up with appearances will keep Polly out of the way, he kidnapps Jason and takes him to the basement of the bar (we know Mustang was his acomplice) there he makes Jason spill the beans about how much he knows/what prove he has/ whom else knows about daddy’s secret business (in the video Jason was in pretty bad shape but I don’t think it was Cliff I think Mustang was the one to 'soften the boy’ for the interrogation) I’m thinking at this point Clifford was still giving him the chance to put this whole thing behind and retake his place as heir and maybe even help him support Polly or some other shit, Jason refused and Clifford was running Out of options, he couldn’t keep Jason there forever, and couldn’t let him get away and expose him, also every one in town already believed him dead, they even had a funeral for him! So his only option was to kill him.

I think he decided to do it himself because he thought a Blossom can only die at the hands of a Blossom, and it works as a parallel for grandpappy Blossom killing his own brother.

Why the fuck did he kill himself? (consumed by guilt and shame – yeah, yeah – tell me something I can believe)  

A: Well what options did he have? Either way he was gonna loose the business and go to jail, the family would be let in disgrace, he killed himself, I think, to preserve the little pride he had and in that way he wouldn’t had to face the consequences for his actions, I mean can y'all imagine Clifford Blossom in jail? That pretentious fuck wouldn’t be able to endure it (and I don’t think Penélope would have helped him, all in all she truly seemed to love Jason, or at least she cared more for him than for Cheryl) and maybe it had to do with Hiram getting out of jail too, we know that even from inside Hiram had connections who knows what he could do to Clifford once he was in jail and Hiram free.

Who the fuck is the local component of Blossom’s business? (And it’s not the Serpents, I believe you FP)  

A: Yeah I believe in FP too, but still I’m not 100% sure none of the Serpents had deals with Cliffy (look at Mustang for example) so maybe some are Serpents but again he must have had other people I think he disguises them as something else a motorbike gang is too obvious, and in Riverdale everything is about appeareances.

Who the fuck wrote “Go to Hell, Serpent Slut” on Betty’s locker? Where the fuck did they get pig’s blood? And a voodoo Betty doll?

A: Alice gives us a hint about this: she says some people have been attacking the Southside residents for the whole Jason ordeal and she wouldn’t publish Betty’s article because she doesn’t want her to get hurt. We can conclude it was the son/daughter of some of these that did that to Betty. But I think that was a red herring, come on guys who has a feaud with Betty? Ding,ding! Chuck FUCKING Clayton, so he tríed to get back at Betty on Jughead’s party but he utterly failed (and got punched and kicked out of the Andrews house) not only that but after solving/helping solve Jason’s murderer she became some sort of untouchable heroine (which just sucked for him cause it made harder to get her and he had to be sneaky) that is until Betty publish es her article, that gave him the perfect opportunity to scare her and publicy humilliate her at a very tense moment (aka Riverdale’s Civil War) and make other students see her in a bad light, honestly I also think Ethel was involved in the vodoo doll thingy after all we never really knew what they were talking about when Betty confronted him and wasn’t it weird that if Ethel was accosed by him she would defend him against Betty? Also who the hell told Chuck and Cheryl about the birthday party for Juggie? They sure as hell weren’t invited, we know none of the core four did it (Archie and Cheryl had a fallout, Verónica resented her family for sending her dad to jail, Betty was always bullied by her not to mention the Thing with Polly, Jughead didn’t even knew about it) Kevin would have never done something like that plus he seems not to be friends with Cheryl, Joaquin doesn’t even know them and that lefts is with Ethel who is very shady (at least about Chuck) and seemed very gleeful when Betty lost control so that’s my theory.

As for the blood, well I don’t know where they got it, but it’s a callout to the movie/book 'Carrie’ if you haven’t watched/read I’ll try to summarize it here: Carrie is a teenager with telekinetic powers, she is described as wierd by all the people (this is due to her very religious mother education that made Carrie very shy) and is constantly bullied by the girls in her school. So one of the girls feels bad about a particular nasty thing they do to her and decides to help her, Susie ask her boyfriend to ask Carrie to the dance and he agrees, at the same time other of the girls (Chris) is banned from the dance cuz she refused to take her punishment for bullying Carrie, and when she catches wind of Susie’s plan she decides to intervene, she arranges the votes so that Carrie and her date be King and Queen of the dance and when they go up the stage she pours a bucket of blood over her, this destroys Carrie because she had to stand up to his mom to go to the dance (the frist time she defies her) and was actually having fun and making friends (she was normal) so when she thinks people are laughing at her (just like her mom said they would) she loses it and kills everyone with her powers.

We, and Chuck, know Betty is struggling with her mental health and I think the pig blood was a way to taunt her about it, indirectly comparing her with Carrie.

Why the fuck is Mayor McCoy branding Archie as hero? Up until the point he saved Cheryl, Archie hardly did anything - it was all Betty.

A: Because he is the convinient choice, the investigation of Jason’s murderer was entirely a job of Betty and Jughead, the mayor can accept Betty as a heroine but she can’t be the public image of the safety and peace in Riverdale for her family’s involvement in the case (the whole Polly/Jason stuff) and she can’t absolutly sell Juggie as a hero, he doesn’t look the part, his dad is a known alcoholic and in jail, he was homeless, has a criminal récord (in the juvvie) and so on, not exactly Riverdale: the town with pep! Ideal hero.

Archie (Ronnie and Kevin too) was obviously with them when they turned in the USB proving FP’s innocence, and as we know after Jason’s death Archie became Riverdale High’ new golden boy (neither Mayor McCoy nor Sheriff Keller know about Miss Grundy) he lives on the good side of Riverdale, plays football and is popular for his music.

They try to sell the image that everything is as it was before, a place of innocence and peace were justice always triumphs and who is better to represent it than the perfect all-American boy and the girl next-door??

Anyway it’s pretty shitty and fake af, I’m so glad my girl Betty called them out on their shit.

Who the fuck are attacking the Serpents? Does that mean Juggie will be harmed too? (NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO)

A: Alice says that they’re people trying to blame someone on the change of Riverdale (this losing of innocence that is the theme of Juggie’s novel) now Clifford killed himself so he can’t be the target and Penélope and Cheryl are victims in all of this, and the next who they find some guilt on the whole Jason affair is FP, yes he didn’t kill the boy, but by cleaning the scene and all that jazz he made it harder to resolve the case, now this combined with the prejudice they seem to have towards the Southside… Boom! A fucking civil war, before they could ignore the Serpents but now their righteousness and their fear that something worse happens to their kids or themselves makes them want to 'protect’ their town.

As for the hurting part, well Alice said there had been attacks, which is vague af, but I think it can go in 2 ways: They have been attacking shouthsiders for going up north, and these people they attacked are not a part from the Serpents (I mean it’s illogical af to believe half a town is a gang) I believe these cuz Juggie himself says about Southside High that it’s a normal highschool with all sorts of people, so I think the same applies to the whole Southside. Also the Serpents seem to always go on groups, I mean the only Serpents we saw alone in the Northside were FP (with Fred and on Juggies bday) and Joaquín (he was posing as Kevin’s boyfriend) plus I don’t see some suburban mommy or daddy (except Alice but she is an ex-Serpent so) attack a gang member on their own, so probably the people that got attacked was extra innocent.

My second option is that the attacks refer to vandalism, y'know some sneaky suburban moms and dads going together to the Southside in the middle of the night and leaving 'cute’ messages like the one on Betty’s locker or trashing the trailers a bit.

Maybe a mix of both?

As for Juggie I think that he will be a essential to the conflict between North&South Riverdale, and he will (with Betty’s aid) end the conflict, I don’t think he’ll be attacked I mean the Serpents sure as hell are gonna keep an eye out for him after FP sacrifized himself defending their innocence, but maybe he’ll get hurt in other way (I mean the writers hurt Jughead at every opportunity they have) still I think beanie boy can manage just fine.

How much is Cheryl’s spider brooch worth? Does that mean Juggie is rich now? Or will Cheryl ask for it back since she’s not dead?

A: Well she makes it sound pretty damn expansive but Cheryl is extra af and tends to exaggerate, so maybe not rich but with some money. I don’t think she asked for it, but I have the hc that Juggie gave it back after they rescued her (idk how expensive it is she gave it to him because she was gonna commit suicide that’s terrifying and I don’t think he would want to keep it) oh I think Ronnie did the same with Cheryl’s shirt.

Where the fuck is Nana Rose? Did Cheryl get her out before Thornhill burned?

A: Cheryl got Nana out of the house even before she drenched the place in gasoline, the twins seemed to be genuinely fond of Nana so for me is impossible to think she would let her burn, so she took Nana somewhere safe before.

Where the fuck are the Blossoms going to live now? At their closest relatives’ - the Coopers? (*incoherent sounds*)

A: LMAO I almost chocked can you imagine Hal, Alice and Penélope under the same roof??? *shudder* nah the Blossoms are loaded and they surely have other properties if not Cheryl’s spider’s brooch surely can buy them a house xD.

  Why the fuck couldn’t Social Services find a foster home for Juggie in Riverdale so he could keep going to Riverdale High? (I know, cos there wouldn’t be drama – but really, why?)  

A: I mean it surely was for the drama, but let’s think about it from an insider’s pov, so before anything the Social Worker must have talked and researched his mom (I’ll expand on it in the next question) and of course she must have went to see Mr. Wheaterbee, now remember on episode 12 he wanted Jughead to finish the semester from home because of the backlash he could potentially recieve about his dad being the killer, consider that the Social Worker has to have the child’s best interest in mind, of course I think she tríed to find something in the Northside frist (that’s where Jughead’s friends are and what he knows) but do y'all think that someone would take FP’s son in when all of them are prejudiced little fucks, surely when a Southside family offered the social worker realized it was the best for him.

Why the fuck is Juggie’s mom over-extended? (Whatever that means – Sure, him being at Southside beats him going to Toledo, but shouldn’t she be assuming responsibility for him?)  

A: okay I won’t pretend to understand how Social Services work in the USA but I did some research. Over extended means to obligate (oneself) to do more activities, work, etc., than one has time for or can accomplish well. In context we can safely deduce Gladys can’t afford to support both JB and Juggie, in that case Social Services would ask for her permition to place him at a foster home which I assume she gives. I hope the next season explains Gladys’s apparent unatachment to her son.

Does a DUI really disqualify Fred from being a foster parent to Juggie?

A: Yes, Social Services must have the child’s best intrest in mind, and someone who drives drunk doesn’t scream responsible to anyone but Fred said his financial problems also influenced in him being ruled out as Juggie’s foster dad.

  Why the fuck does Ronnie keep wearing her pearls if she’s so disapproving of her daddy dearest?  

A: Appereances, she realized openly confronting her father can hurt her and her mom, and my hc is that is to remind herself to never let her father sway her or buy her again but who knows really? Maybe is the #aesthetic.

Why the fuck is Hermione being a shady bitch when she had a mini nervous breakdown just in the last episode when Hiram’s bag was found with Mustang?  

A: The nervous breakdown was because she was scared of losing everything again (the SoDale is all they have left) I mean she wanted to leave town to avoid that, but then she calmed down she probs talked to Hiram aka the King of Shade moved some influences (I mean they already bought Mayor McCoy once) and it’s a pattern with Hermione really, everything that has to do with Hiram reverts her to her old shady self and now that he is coming back it only intensifies.

Why the fuck can Penelope be so cold and unfeeling? (Sidenote: I hate her)  

A: But is she really? At Jason’s funeral she almost loses her composture with Archie, and when Cheryl asked about Jason and Cliffy’s discusion she got real mad, at the Riverdale Taste she bitch slapped Alice for her article on Jason’s autopsy… So no she is not unfeeling nor completely cold (but yes she is pretty hateful) I think her apparent nonchalance about everything has to do with being the Blossom’s clan matriarch, remember when that creepy woman at the Maple tapping mocked Cheryl for crying at the funeral or when Penelope banned her from speaking at the funeral? That’s because as I said before Cheryl was too emotional and in the Blossom clan that equals to weakness.

Being Clifford’s wife surely taught her that, at the funeral she was composed (with the exeption of that little slip with Archie and when Cheryl gives her speech) with Cheryl she loses patience quickly I think because in her fucked up way Penelope tríes to teach her to supress her emotions and stop showing weakness in the family.

Another thing I noticed is the weird obsession/pride she has for the Blossom name, and it makes me think perharps she is part of a smaller branch of the family which would make her and Cliff relatives, this would explain why she seems so pelased about Jason/Polly and the babies.

Now after Clifford killed himself she knows they automatically lost their supremacy as the Alpha Blossoms, the board is surely gonna sack them and I’m guessing she is doing some control damage and she needs to be in control of her emotions in front of them. Clifford told her they smelled blood from miles away and they would surely leave her and her daughter on the street at the frist chance they get

She can’t deal with Cheryl because her daughter’s open grief reminds her of her own and that is not what she needs right now (that is still super shitty btw I’m not saying she is not awful but she must have a reason to act that way)

Does Alice know where her son is? What does quiet adoption mean? Was it anonymous?

A: I don’t think so, when someone gives a baby for adoption you sign a legal form that prohibits you for looking for the baby/parents 'til he/she is 18, now I think if Alice knew where the baby was she would have try to get him back (she is a very impulsive woman and also pretty fierce when it comes to her babies) I suppose quiet adoption is not giving details about the mother of the child and all that jazz, and yes it was definitely anonymous Alice and Hal (but mainly Hal) didn’t want to lose the perfect couple image they had going on. The Coopers care too much about what people says/thinks about them.

She went to the sisters when she was four months pregnant? Did no one know? Wouldn’t she have started to show?  How the fuck did Alice and FP both go to Riverdale High when they were from Southside? Did the school district thing not exist back then?

A: That really depends on the woman, my aunt was already 9th months pregnant with my lil’ cousin and she had a little bump that could very well pass as tummy or bee compleately hiden if she was wearing sweaters, so I don’t think it really showed a not on Alice’s case. I doubt she told anyone but Hal. Well maybe because their parents wanted them to attend RH but I really don’t understand how the whole school district thing works, here in Mexico City we make an application for a certain number of options of highschools we would like to attend, we make an exam and based on the point we make we are accepted or not (the best schools have a higher requirement) so if anyone under stands how it works please explain it.

Does Jug not have his cellphone anymore? Why is he always calling people from phone booths?  

A: Yes he does, in episode 12 at the beginning Archie tells Betty he is been calling and sending him texts, what I think is that more often than not he doesn’t have the money to afford a plan or credit and he uses the booths instead.

Do those Serpents all know Juggie from before? (Sidenote: He didn’t know Joaquin and Joaquin seemed to be FPs most trusted sidekick)

A: I don’t think so, Jughead never really approached his dad when he was with the Serpents and 'til episode 13 we have no interaction with Jughead and the Serpents, probs FP wanted to keep his son out of all that stuff.

  Why the fuck did they not call 911 when Cheryl was drowning and decide to just ineffectively scream into space?

A: The moment they realized what she meant to do they were horrified they had no way of knowing if it was too late or if they could still save her and their frist instinct was to look for her, then it was a matter of acting as fast as they could to save her, who knows how long it would have taken anyone to arrive?

Did Hermione say something to Cheryl after Ronnie left? Is that why she decided to burn Thornhill?

A: I don’t think so, she and Ronnie were going to go to the Jubilee and what would she tell her 'Burn'em all!!!’ like mad King Aerys?? Nah, besides deep down Hermione must know it’s not Cheryl’s fault what her parents did to Hiram.

How much is FP still not telling? (I don’t buy that Jason came to peddle drugs for him, I still think he asked his help to expose his dad, Jason planned on getting kidnapped and they were planning to get a confession on tape, but things went horribly wrong and FP is languishing in jail because he feels morally responsible for what happened to Jason)

A: I actually do believe Jason went to FP as he says in his statement, making a lie believable implies mixing up some truth in there, and of course he ended up taking the whole blow for Clifford’s crime, and I genuinely think he said all he knows he has no reason left not to, Cliff is dead and Jughead is relatively safe, but him being in jail is finally attoning for all his bad decisions as he tells Juggie and is another step in his path of redemption/cleaning up his act for good.

  Why the fuck did no one think to stay with Cheryl after she fell in the river? (They should’ve taken her to the hospital and left her there. Archie went there for his hand, didn’t he?)

A: I think it was Cheryl herself who refused their company, her near death experience and her creepy Jason vision must have given her the idea of burning down Thornhill as a rebirth and purifying action, still I’m guessing at least Verónica stayed with her to make sure she warmed up and that she was gonna be okay.

  What did Fred mean when he said Hermione was at a crossroads too? Like she had to choose whether to be good or evil??

A: I think he said so because Hermione has the option of being honest and make the right decision or go back to be a shady business-woman along her shady husband.

WHY THE FUCK DID THE SERPENTS HAVE TO CHOOSE THAT EXACT MOMENT TO KNOCK ON FPs TRAILER??? (15 SECONDS INTO THE HOTTEST MAKEOUT I EVER SAW AND SECONDS AWAY FROM JUGGIE’S HANDS AND LIPS TRAILING OVER LORD KNOWS WHERE NEXT!)  

A: Well of course was to stop Jughead and Betty from going all the way and set-up the conflict/tension between them in season two, but from the show’s perspective IDK WHY PRECISELY THEN!? SURELY THEY COULD WAIT TIL MORNING TO GIVE HiM THE JACKET!!!

Where the fuck were these Serpents when Juggie was alone and homeless? Plus they trashed the only place he called home and earned a living at with FP as their ringleader?  

A: Because yes Jughead was FP’s son but he was not a part of them, of the Southside community, also if FP was okay with it why the hell would they intervene in his personal stuff.

Just how pregnant is Polly?

A: So presumably she was one month or so in July, next hint we have is on episode –: the maple tapping, according to my research the maple syrup season starts in February so by then Polly is 8 months along give or take (she can be Seven) so the mystery of Jason must have been resolved in a month or less and we’ll surely see her giving birth to the twins next season (that s if the writers don’t play along with the timeline)

Also I almost broke my FUCKING head trying to figure out how the tapping (February) was the episode before Juggie’s birthday (October) but then I remembres RAS saying that was kind of a stand alone episode and maybe that’s why it doesn’t fit the timeline.

Anyway I tried.

How the fuck is Hermione mixing alcohol with Valium? (Sounds really dangerous)  

A: It is pretty damn dangereous, mixing them can produce:Confusion,disorientation,accidents,sedation,stumbling,ddizziness,nausea,loss of consciousness, adicction,brain damage,coma and death.

What makes me uncomfortable is how flippant Veronica sounds about her mom doing such a dangereous thing (I get it she is angry but this is very serious stuff) and goes on her merry way to fuck Archie like maybe check up on your mom frist????

What the fuck was the “something serious” Fred was gonna say to Archie at Pop’s at breakfast? (It sure as hell wasn’t about staying away all night, cos he seemed pretty chill with that)

A: Fred is always super chill about Archie’s sexual exploits tbh, I think he was gonna talk to him about Hermione trying to buy his share and about Hiram.

  Why the fuck did Fred get up from his booth to face the gunman?

A: To divert the attention to himself and avoid Archie trying to be the hero (he shakes his at Archie, he ignores his dad and tríes to make a movie and then Fred stands up).

  How the fuck did Fred manage to get shot when we saw a moment ago that the gun was pointed at Archie?

A: Well Fred is Archie’s dad, he must have jumped to protect his son, adrenaline can make you move real fast.

  What about those fucking guns? Grundy’s, Alice’s and now the gunman’s? Are they the same? Are they different?  Who the fuck sent the gunman?

A: I found a clear picture of Grundy’s and Alice’s and they are indeed different, even if they are both revolvers, Grundy’s looks a bit older and from the design I think it’s a Colt, the muzzle of Alice’s gun is slightly larger and hers looks like a Smith maybe. i couldn’t find a good picture of the gunman’s weapon so I can’t be sure the model or type of handgun it is, but it’s most definitely different from Alice’s or Grundy’s. I don’t think anyone sent him, as Juhead said this was the final nail on the coffin of Riverdale’s innocence/safety, when there are conflicts/tension in a community crime is sure to follow.

  Where did all that money come from, that was strewn on the floor next to Fred as he lay bleeding?  

A: It was some of the money the gunnman tried to steal, I mean he had Pop at gun point and only one free hand to get the money into the bag, and he was crearly trying to hurry up, so after he shots Fred he gets scared (which probably means he is not a very practised thief) and runs with the money he has leaving on the floor the rest.

Wow so this is pretty long but I hope y'all find it not so boring. I would like to read more theories from the fandom guys!!

#riverdale #my crazy theories #bughead #kinda #dachi's rambles

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Riverdale 1x11 thoughts

This review is rather late seeing as the new episode airs tomorrow, but I wanted to get it out since I definitely wouldn’t do it after watching 1x12 and also because I didn’t want 1x12 to cloud my thoughts about 1x11.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Jason’s death was months ago, and since then none of the events in Riverdale have been cancelled. So why should Homecoming be the exception? They mentioned the football game – Riverdale Bulldogs Vs the Baxter High Ravens. When is this game happening? Will we get to see it – maybe in the finale?

Some scenes in this episode seemed so superfluous, almost as though they had to be included because Molly Ringwald was the guest star and she has to have something to do. All her scenes this episode could’ve been cut without losing anything. Her conversation with Archie showed nothing except that she knows what Archie’s been up to with his song-writing thanks to Fred. Didn’t Fred tell Mary about the important stuff – like Grundy? Why couldn’t Mary and Archie’s conversation have been about that?

So Ronnie gave evidence that would help her dad and now she’s anxious that he’ll be out of jail soon. She obviously shares or used to share a very close relationship with him, but all that changed when he so obviously threatened her in that letter. Now she seems to want nothing to do with him, that fear going to the extent of wanting him to stay in jail. Hermione – I still don’t understand her motivations for hooking up with Fred when her loyalties seem to lie with Hiram. She seems happy he’ll be released. That could be relief that she could go back to her lifestyle once he’s back or it could be from genuine affection. I thought she had some nefarious intent when she kissed Fred, but now I think she was just lonely and needy.

Jughead and FP was my most favorite scene in this episode – it was so organic, real and the conversation flowed so effortlessly between these two. FP being honest about himself and Juggie’s talent and Juggie being surprised that he actually read his work and engaged with it - truly the equivalent of tectonic plates shifting for him. That again crushes my heart when I think of how little it took for Juggie to start hoping again – his dad had shaved, not missed work and had quit drinking, and taken interest in him. Something that had never happened in 16 years. Wow! FP, you truly were a shitty dad.

“That’s what Betty says and then it’s about a dozen suggestions”. Throwback to “I’ll help, and suggest and edit but it’s your story, your voice”. Can we please have a scene with Betty talking to Juggie about his manuscript and her dozen suggestions??

Is Riverdale a place of good or a place of darkness and evil? This is something that can posited over people in Riverdale too. Betty? Veronica? Fred Andrews? FP? Alice? Cheryl? Penelope? Hal?

Juggie looks surprised and a little deflated when FP says this shouldn’t be the most important story he should be telling and that he should move on.

Ronnie was blowing off Archie because of what she found out about Hiram? Does she already sense that her hooking up with him might cause her dad to react in an unfavorable way? Or is it that she has too much on her mind?

Alice Cooper wants to include the Pussycats as suspects. Was this dialogue included to hint at Alice’s ineffectiveness in investigating the murder since she obviously suspected FP and he seems to be innocent? So the Pussycats are too? And Hiram Lodge and Joaquin?

Way to go, Betty, standing up for your man’s beliefs!

That wig room is seriously creepy. And Cliff Blossom has grey hair. This seems common knowledge since Hermione commented on it once. So why the pretence? Is it symbolic of something- like the Blossoms are good at covering things up? Or is something deeper and more nefarious? (like my Cliff’s twin theory)

Ronnie not feeling the same loyalty to the Jones family is not surprising. They are friends, yes, but kind of forced friends. It’s like Juggie said in ep 10, he would’ve shunned Ronnie two months ago. He’s only friends with her because Archie and Betty are. And Ronnie possibly feels the same about Juggie. I wish they’d thrown Ronnie and Juggie together in a sleuthing adventure to develop their friendship a little more. I guess there are more seasons to do that.

Archie’s songs make you wanna slit your wrists in a good way, Juggie? LOL, that wasn’t very kind. But Betty skeptical look was surprising, she was all over Archie and his songs earlier. Shows how much her judgement was clouded by the fact that she liked him then, she didn’t have one bad thing to say about him. But now? She looks at him more objectively now. Juggie finishing Betty’s sentence was so Bughead and Ronnie standing up for Archie was nice. But dude, she only agreed to sing with him so she could inveigle a favor outta him? Cheap! Kevin’s facial expressions are so cute, I really want Casey to have more scenes in Season 2, he’s so good.

Archie is such a fuckboy – omg his expression goes from overeager to ididn’tsignupforthisshit in 2 seconds after Ronnie talks about the “favor”. LOL!

Ronnie is completely focused on her dad’s release and what it would mean for her if he were indeed tied up with Jason’s murder. Understandable. But couldn’t she spare a thought for Jughead and the fact that it’s his dad she was so callously suspecting? And she did think Juggie could be protecting his dad – she suspected Juggie too! Not kosher Ronnie! Archie said the first sensible thing in weeks when he said “There’s a difference between vandalism and murder”. Yeah right, Ronnie. FP is a thug, but that doesn’t make him a killer?

This episode was about the power of manipulation and how one can use it effectively to get someone to play into one’s hands.

Ronnie used it for Archie, she tried to use his attraction to her to get him to help her snoop FPs trailer, but when that wasn’t enough, she used his affection for Jughead, which worked. “I hope you’re right or Jughead could find himself in the middle of something very messy and very dangerous”. When just minutes before she was ready to believe that Juggie was an accomplice who would warn his dad or protect him! This was clearly a manipulation technique that she used to get Archie thinking. The seeds were already sown in his head. Juggie talking about his dad’s interest in the murder provided the fodder for him to agree to Ronnie’s scheme. He didn’t want Juggie to get hurt, but he ended up hurting him anyway by his betrayal. Foolish Archie!

Alice manipulated Betty by using her love and loyalty to Juggie. She cleverly invited him and FP to dinner and then when Betty confronted her about her scheming, she cunningly played the “He was so excited, so you really want to break his heart by telling him?” card.

I get why Betty and Archie tried to protect Juggie, but why do they think he’s so fragile? I mean this guy has been hurt over and over by the people he cares about, and he still yearns and longs for love. He maybe cynical and sardonic on the outside but internally he always hopes for sunshine after darkness. He’s the epitome of resilience as I’ve said earlier in my meta (X), and it’s strange to me how his friends are all walking on eggshells around him. It’s sweet, but inexplicable.

So Hermione was a mean girl in school and thinks it’s karma that’s bitten her in the ass now. And Mary feels sorry for her and invites her to the dance. Glad to see there was no bitching between Mary and her, it was just old friends/ acquaintances catching up after a while. Mary must have known about Fred carrying a torch for Hermione back then, which is why she didn’t bat an eyelid when Alice outed their fling while they were in the restroom.

How happy was Juggie that Alice had invited him and FP over? This boy so wants his family and wants to feel part of Betty’s family too. “It’s important for us, you know” and his smile! UGH! Just protect him from all the hurt that keeps coming at him! He deserves the world!

Okay, so the Blossoms protect their bedroom obsessively but Polly already discovered 2 secrets – the wigs and the ring. Penelope may have truly loved Jason but she was quietly menacing as she told Polly with sugary sweetness to stay away from the East wing. (dun dun dun). And lacing her milkshake with a sedative (even if it was a natural relaxer that wouldn’t harm the babies) was a just creepy.

Archie and his parents scene was so ho-hum, I know it was there for Archie to see the possible rekindling of romance between his parents and make him yearn to have his family back together but it was such a yawn fest, until Juggie walked in. And didn’t Archie already know his mom was coming to hear him play at the dance? Or was he just surprised his dad and mom were coming together? And he was gonna play wasn’t he? But that glance for Juggie’s approval and Juggie’s “of course you’re playing dude how can u think of not” was supercute!

Juggie notices everything and he seems truly happy Fred and Mary could be getting back together. But why does Archie say it would’ve been Little Archie’s pipe dream? I mean Little Archie did have his parents together, and Mary left only 2 years ago, so Archie would’ve been around 13 and not so little? Or had the trouble started way back? Was Archie’s childhood tainted with fights and arguments too?

Poor Juggie is so excited about the tectonic plates shifting in his life finally with his dad shaving, quitting drink and showing up at work that he’s considering moving back with him. And this somehow triggers warning bells in Archie – Is Archie capable of even this little bit of logical thinking? Good to know. Archie rushing off to get almond milk for his mom and Juggie teasing him about his tryst with a raven-haired princess was so funny, I Lol-ed. I love Juggie in his light-hearted moments, let the poor boy be happy, damn you!

Archie rushes off to Ronnie’s and Ronnie is immediately worried this is a booty call! LOL. She’s kinda read him correctly,(not in this instance though) but why then does she think he’s boyfriend material? Must be because her mind is constantly there too (Remember- I’ve had every flavor of boy but orange?)

So they conspire to break in because Archie in his dimwitted way thinks he’s protecting Juggie, but Juggie can never know and neither can Betty. How were they hoping to cover it up? What if they had found something in FPs trailer to incriminate him? How could they hope to keep it secret from Juggie or Betty? Clearly they hadn’t thought that far ahead.

Polly cunningly gets Cheryl to show her her parents’ room on the pretext of borrowing some vintage bling and Cheryl seems happy enough doing it – she knows she’s breaking a rule and her parents won’t like it, but that seems to compel her even more. Polly blatantly searching the drawers with Cheryl looking on was so unbelievable! Also, Cheryl’s comment about her dad’s hair turning grey when he saw the ghost of Grandpa Blossom with his throat slit – does she mean her grandpa or her dad’s grandpa? And if she means Cliff’s grandpa, then wasn’t he the one that offed Hal’s Grandpa? Then who slit his throat?

“We Blossoms live and die by our curls” – what is that supposed to mean? Truly these Blossoms are so cryptic! “Hands off, Gollum” – how does Madelaine utter her lines with a straight face?? I was laughing so hard!!

Now the mystery of Nana Rose’s ring – how did it get back to the Blossoms? Is Penelope’s story about Jason throwing it at Cliff the last time they saw him true? Again with the cryptic – Nothing is lost forever, everything comes back. WTF does this mean?

The dinner – ahh – in-laws bonding, Alice is in her element, being sweetly nasty and FP just reads through her. He’s more than equipped to deal with her but I wonder if Juggie knows about FP trashing the drive-in for Hiram Lodge. I’m guessing he doesn’t, and FP looked kinda trapped there, he was saved by the doorbell. That will be one of the secrets that comes out in the next episode I guess. Juggie and FP standing up when Betty walked in with Hal – so gentlemanly! Swoon! FP was so amused when he heard Hal talk about Alice throwing a brick at his window. Perfect cue for him to start talking about the Homecoming years ago and when Alice and Hal were king and queen and the argument they had. It’s got to be about Alice being pregnant and Hal wanting her to go for an abortion. FP knows about Chic. And he knows about Alice’s penchant for keeping up appearances. His turn to manipulate her into silence now. I loved Juggie’s expression when FP said – Don’t jerk me around in front of my son. He looked a little taken aback – that FP actually cared what Juggie thought of him and was looking to make a good impression on him. Betty and Juggie handled that awkward as heck dinner from hell with so much panache – is it any wonder they make such a good team?

Archie and Ronnie’s search of FPs trailer was so laughable – did Archie even look in the closet or did he just move on after preening in front of the mirror? And they made out in the trailer right after their clandestine operation – wtf Varchie? I think Archie kind of hit the nail on the head when he said – Do you want him to be guilty? Ronnie seemed to want to find some clue that connects her dad &/or FP to Jason and that seems to me to be really desperate because she started out sharing a real closeness to her dad. And then along the way there came revelations about his dealings – trashing the drive-in, ruining Ethel’s dad and not-so-subtly threatening her – that made her realize he was twisted and she probably does not want him in her life anymore.

“You’re a Blossom through and through” – Cliff’s turn now for the cryptic one-liner. And how well he knows how to manipulate Cheryl. Approval and acceptance are what she’s been craving from her parents and she never had that when Jason was around. But Cliff didn’t feel like that two episodes ago when he was pimping Archie to be by his daughter’s side because of her eccentric ways. Saying those words when he did definitely means he does not believe them but wants Cheryl on their side. It’s clear Cheryl does not trust her parents though and full marks to her for not falling for their trap. She lied about the ring – but again, - her saying she flushed the ring to destroy proof, because that way if Polly said anything, it’d be her word against ours. How is the ring proof? There’s more to this than meets the eye and we will know in ep 12 of course.

During the dance she rushes back because she’s concerned for Polly. This indicates that Cheryl is going to change allegiances as the spoilers have forewarned.

The Homecoming – I will never forgive the writers for not giving us a Bughead dance!

He always is, Mr Jones! How cute is Betty vouching for her man? And Juggie gallantly holding out the umbrella for her? And Betty waiting at the steps for her man to escort her in? Aaahhh I’m dying of feels!

Also, FP how could you? How could you hang that Toledo bait for Juggie? You know he wants to be with family and he wants to be with Betty? So how could make him choose? That scene was so poignant with Juggie looking out the car and seeing Betty standing there and “Bette Davies eyes” playing! Siiiigh!!

Of course, it’s a no-brainer for him! He wants to stay with Betty. His mind is possibly already made up but he still wants to figure it out together! How adorable they are! And then that kiss and Betty’s concern – will you be alright for a minute? She knows her man’s lack of comfort in huge social gatherings and she doesn’t want to him to feel awkward. And his reassuring smile he says I think I’ll be fine – as long as she comes back to him, he’s going to be! All those casual, intimate touches, the hand placements, the little cheek kiss, his arm on her back, that look of concern for her when she realizes Varchie have been in cahoots with her mom – arrgghh! Just kill me now! This ship!

Betty cornering Varchie about their betrayal and Juggie walking in on them – why do I feel left out? Oh no – my poor boy, the past is coming back to bite him again now after he’s found a safe place with his friends – he discovers he’s been betrayed. “To think I was gonna pass moving to Toledo with my family for you” – and Betty’s face – broke my heart, and then her tears when she’s reaching for him and saying she didn’t wanna disappoint him – my heart shattered and then Juggie finding out FPs been arrested and rushing out (Fred, couldn’t you have shown a bit of compassion for the boy while breaking the news dammit? You were like his guardian!)

And then the most heart breaking scene of all when Juggie makes his way to FPs trailer and breaks down – I don’t think I will ever recover from this, my heart!

Alice likes Jughead, yet she didn’t have any qualms about hatching a plot to snare FP – you truly are heartless Alice! But I don’t care, Bughead will find a way out of this mess and they will get together because BETTY LOVES JUGHEAD! And considers him family – more than her own family! And she’s not gonna stop until she finds him and makes it okay! She’s hella determined, my girl and I have all the faith in her – she rarely gives up if ever, remember?

Varchie – you fucked up. Admit it, even though it may seem like a good thing you snooped before FP got arrested so now you know he’s being framed. That doesn’t make what you did okay. I’m okay with Juggie being pissed at them for a while. But not with Betty. He has to see that Betty had the best intentions and she clearly had no idea what Alice was upto behind her back. Who did call Keller though? And planted the gun? It would have to be someone who knew FP was going to be away at dinner and someone who knew they’d have a small window of opportunity after Varchie left and FP returned.

Do they know already that’s the gun that killed Jason? Do ballistics reports come back so quickly?

I’m not prepared to see Juggie cry again – it will break me. Who’s he calling? Why does he decide not to leave Riverdale? Cheryl, you bitch – don’t touch my son! Oh God I cannot take the waiting!

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Nobodies Nobody Knows, chp. 3

Summary: She is the lamp in Hero’s tower, the scissors in Delilah’s hand, the blood in Guinevere’s bed. She is a million and one metaphors and all of them are his undoing.

Some of the scenes from Second City but from Jughead’s perspective. More a character exercise than a story.

A/N: This chapter just did not want to come. But I’ve been sitting on it and now it needs to make its way in the world if only so I can move on. The second part of this scene will be posted tomorrow night and Second City should be updated Sunday.

A/N2: This chapter goes with Second City chp. 3 and I’m pretty sure requires it to make sense.

ao3–>http://archiveofourown.org/works/11434950/chapters/25920375

Nobodies Nobody Knows one / two

Second City one / two / three / four / five (ao3)

He sees her open the door to the bar out of the corner of his eye, sees her spot him and head over. But he continues to type until she sets her bag down on the chair next to him. He hasn’t had a break through or anything. In truth, he’s typing his grocery list over and over. But it gives him a moment to adjust to her presence—the light floral scent of her perfume, the shift in the air around them that he can almost feel press against him—before he has to turn to look at her.

He saves his file and closes the computer while calling her out on trying to apologize for being on time. He’s not surprised she does. And he had gotten here an hour early on purpose. But still.

The small talk is going well, he thinks, until the bartender sets the drink in front of her, and in a flash she goes from peach to pale to puce to pink. But she does not appreciate his attempts to interfere.

When Betty gets up and walks away, Jughead convinces the bartender to take back the offending drink, though not before he swipes the cherries. Once the bathroom door shuts behind her, he bites down with his molars and slides them off the toothpick in one move, while glaring at the man.

He knows he’s being childish. He’s not jealous, per se. He knows he can’t have her, knows she doesn’t really want to be here with him. But he is surprised at the protectiveness that flares in his chest when he sees her looking so uncomfortable.

Also. It’s the principle of the matter. It’s rude. The man could clearly see they were together. Not together together, but you know what he means. The drink was clearly a power move meant to make them uncomfortable, to establish the other man’s alpha maleness.

It’s the kind of crap Jughead has very little patience for. He stands by his assessment: “What a dick.”

So all in all, the evening gets off to a rocky start. Though tequila definitely helps. Not the liquor itself, but the look in Betty’s eyes right before she takes the shot.

He’s not sure why he orders the round of shots in the first place. Tequila is definitely not his drink of choice, though he wouldn’t surprised if Betty sometimes drank it on nights out with her girlfriends. He supposes part of him just wants to see what she’ll do.

So when she asks him about it, he simply says, “Liquid courage, Betts.”

Then she gives him a patented Betty Cooper look. The one that says she’s incredulous that he would think she needed any more courage that she already possessed. The one that says she’ll rise to any challenge.

“You’re a bad influence, Jones.”

“Always.”

After the bartender has switched out their empty shot glasses for a more sedate bottle of beer and glass of wine, he prompts her, “So we should probably get started?”

“Yeah, that sounds good.” He watches her fiddle with the recorder, angling it so the microphone will capture them both.

She begins, “The sequel came as a bit of a surprise. At the end of The Final Fissure, you revealed the murderer. What story is left to tell?”

It is the question he’s gotten most often since the sequel was announced, so he has an answer already rehearsed. But then she catches him off guard.

“I was surprised when I first picked up Final Fissure and saw the genre. You gave up on your Philip Marlowe fantasies.”

He is an utter ass. Worse than that, he’s a pretentious utter ass. And he knows it. Truthfully, he sort of always is, though he hopes not this much. But it’s what people expect out of 20-something white male writers. And it makes sitting next to her, talking like this, easier. It gives him a character to inhabit that isn’t Jughead Jones, still pitifully in love with memories of his high school girlfriend.

“Besides, you took over the story pretty early on and your voice—sorry, Betsy’s voice—was pretty insistent.”

She makes a face. “You just had to pick Betsy, didn’t you? Do you remember our third grade teacher called me that all year, no matter how many times me, or you, or Archie corrected her?” Of course he remembers. It’s a memory he’s confronted daily once it became clear that “Betsy” she would stay.

He wants to say: She would only every respond to Betty. She could only ever be you. But he doesn’t. They’re having an okay time so far, and he doesn’t want to make her uncomfortable. Instead, he says, “Though she found other things to latch onto. She thought ‘Betsy’ was ‘too mid-century, not enough millennial.’”

Betty’s questions continue, strictly professional. Some of them he’s had before, but all of them have a unique Betty spin. He doesn’t know if it’s because she knows him that she knows just what to ask or if it’s that she’s really that good an interviewer. Probably the latter. After all, she doesn’t know him. And he doesn’t know her anymore.

“Not the audience who’s bought and loved it?”

“No, something a bit narrower than that.”

He fully admits he’s been rambling. It’s definitely part of why he sounds like an asshole. It’s okay when he looks straight ahead, but when he looks at her, when she blushes or bites her lip or pushes her tongue against her teeth, a little more of the filter between his mouth and his brain evaporates.

So yeah. Definitely shouldn’t have said that last bit.

It’s like standing naked in front of an open window. He doesn’t know if he wants her to see. He doesn’t know what he wants her to see.

So they muddle on.

“Did your routine change? Anything in the physical process of how you wrote?”

“Oh I remember.” He smirks at her, just a little, then wider when her eyes crinkle in response.

“Really? I can’t see him as a particularly dedicated editor.”

Jughead can’t help but laugh. “No, definitely not. But it was more feedback on the content I was looking for, than the style. Whether I was crossing a line with anything.”

“Well, color me intrigued.”

“Good.” Yes. Concision. Good, Jug.

“I’m surprised Archie didn’t tell you I was moving here.”

“Yeah, well, we don’t exactly talk about you.”

“Right, obviously. That was stupid of me.”

He wants to correct her, to tell her he can’t bear to hear Archie talk about her, to hear him be so casual about the intimacy they share post-break up, an intimacy his own decisions have denied him. But that seems like a minefield he shouldn’t wander into two drinks deep.

“On a related note, what do you owe to the real people upon whom you base your characters?”

“That’s a question I’ve been wrestling with. The best answer I’ve been able to come up with, insufficient as it is, is honesty.” And he means it, even if he hasn’t been successful at it himself.

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Riverdale 1 x07 thoughts

Starts with Jughead’s dream - seemingly perfect family with everyone fake smiling, and Juggie’s bewildered expression through all of this to kinda indicate that maybe he thought it was too good to be true? Interesting though that he wants his family to come together so bad, yet he dreams of being part of another (Betty’s) who he knows is not perfect either. Does that mean deep down that he’s given up on his family? That the only way for him to be happy would be if he were with another family? Which is what happens at the end of the episode, he ends up living with Archie! So was the beginning meant to bookend the end? Its also evident that he feels guilty about stabbing Archie in the back, presumably because he’s married to Betty in the dream. Why does he feel that? He knows Archie doesn’t feel that way about Betty. Betty did have feelings for Archie but she’s obviously getting over them, since she’s willing to move on with him. Why the guilt? Okay, Archie wasn’t exactly over the moon when he found out about bughead, but Jughead already sensed that he wouldn’t be and I wonder where that’s coming from?

The next scene with Juggie waking up in the closet under the stairs, a clever reference to Harry Potter, which is surprisingly not misplaced. Since Harry had a miserable life till Hogwarts came along and Juggie’s having a miserable life now until his friends - Archie and Betty come through for him. And Archie finding him was good. His secret was finally out. He could tell someone everything and unburden himself. The matter-of-fact way in which he did broke my heart actually. Archie was understandably shocked and immediately offered to ask Fred to give FP his job back and for Jug to live with him. And this is where I get caught between loving Archie and wanting to hit him on the head with a sharp instrument! Its just the way his character has progressed so far - I can’t really tell what to do with him. He’s bland and uninteresting and trivial. But in this episode he really came through for his friends, so yeah -idk.

Jughead asking Archie not to tell anyone - especially Betty. I think the reason is that he doesn’t want to come across as needy and screwed up, you know, he wants to show his best side to his girl - he wants to seem like he’s together and there for her instead of throwing his problems at her at a time when she’s already bogged down by so many of hers! I just think he wants to keep her away from worrying about him! And that’s so Juggie!

I was kind of meh about Veronica and the whole power struggle between the Lodge women thing. Oh and looks like Hiram is really in prison, so bang goes my theory of him being in hiding someplace and driving this whole thing remotely. Ronnie choosing Reggie as arm candy was great, Reggie IS hot btw. If only he wasn’t such a douche! But points to him for going along on that search for Polly! A gal pal, a gay and arm candy? Really Ronnie? You’re reducing Kevin to that? The whole town (or at least all of Riverdale high) seemed to be on the Cooper’s team. So that left the Blossoms with Keller and who else?

Jughead putting his arms around Betty when she’s worried and she reaching to him for reassurance was so adorable! And everyone’s reactions were revealing - Veronica looked surprised and then smug and Archie was kinda surprised too, but was he jealous? I think as they go deeper into bughead, Archie is gonna become more and more resentful as he finds his two best friends drifting away from him and towards each other and that is gonna manifest in a bad way. How? I don’t know yet. But he’s probably going to do something stupid that gets them both (or perhaps Jug) in trouble. Or perhaps be irrational and angry without knowing why. Why was Ronnie calling Juggie Holden Caulfield? Is it because he’s perceived as mysterious and a loner? But I love that she ships bughead!

Juggie saying “We may have had a moment” in that hesitating, halting manner, not really meeting Archie’s eyes? I think that meant that he really thought Archie would be mad at him or feel betrayed or something. He tried to downplay what he felt for Betty twice - once when FP asked him and this once with Archie. Both times Archie was there. I think he’s trying to spare Archie’s feelings. And right now he’s not sure what Betty feels either. In that scene where he’s walking her home, he struggles to articulate what they are “People like us” he says adoringly stuttering, and I think it means he doesn’t want to pressure her to commit and also because he’s uncertain if she’s reciprocating only because she’s going through such a stressful time herself and thinks maybe that’s why she needs him around? Idk.

Cheryl - idk what to make of her! She’s such a bitch most of the times and then one time she does something nice that makes me rethink her character. But I thought she looked really upset when Alice announced that Polly was pregnant with Jason’s baby! Like it was some kind of betrayal. I’m still on board the “twincest” ship!

Back to bughead and the sweet scene when he’s walking her home. Jughead being her “clarity” is like such a bughead thing and I’m loving it! Betty seems to have all her best ideas around him. And the kiss was just so them! And the little smile he gives after! Oh god, I’m just dying of the adorableness that is bughead! Also how badass were they leading the whole search party and belting out instructions like the power couple they are! And finishing each other’s sentences!

Polly still seems a little bit crazy to me! Maybe its her eyes or just her whole demeanor.

Now the FP and Fred backstory. They seemed like they were really good friends, but then FP makes it as though Fred kicked him out when he was really down. Fred’s story seemed more believable to me. Again, here’s where carrot-top surprised me again. By insinuating that Fred was being a bad friend by letting Jughead drown along with FP. I’m amazed at the amount of character development for Archie in this episode. Its as if they want us invested in him and his story if indeed the Archie/Betty/Jughead love triangle thing is where they’re heading. I know a lot of people are rooting for Barchie and that wouldn’t really pay off if Archie wasn’t a sympathetic character. We’re supposed to feel bad for him that he lost the girl. Jughead already has oodles of audience sympathy.

I liked the scene at Pop’s where they were reminiscing. And FP brings up how Jughead isn’t interested in sports and stuff like him but is more like his mom - into writing and books and literary things, and he says its good. I can get the sense of self-loathing from the man. He needs help.

Also, the scene where Juggie’s taking off his drunk dad’s boots and talking to him about Jellybean and his mom was all kinds of heart-breaking. Its so obvious the boy loves his family and wants them together. Its also obvious he’s proud of his mom and sis! (She listens to Pink Floyd on vinyl and has Juggie for an older bro - of course she cannot get any cooler!). The thing I notice about Jughead is that he downplays everything that’s going on with him - be it good or bad. He just doesn’t think its worth talking about or worth anyone’s time and that’s a whole new level of heart-breaking for me, because it just reinforces where this boy’s coming from - years of being bullied and made to feel unworthy and family breaking apart too! I think this warrants an entirely new post, a Jughead meta that I will get to soon!

I hate how they put Juggie through the wringer - first, by being embarrassed by his dad (Cole was superb), then blaming his friend and his dad for his condition, sticking up for him, believing in him only to have him let him down when he needed him the most. My heart shattered when he asked Betty at the station if his dad was there and Betty says Archie and Fred are. He wanted his dad there, dammit! Stupid, stupid, FP! But even he knows that his son’s better off without him. But he cannot use that as an excuse to not even try! The scene outside the station when Juggie gets ready to leave with his dad was so so heart-breaking. Both Cole and Skeet played it to perfection! I was crying, my poor Juggie. He was so conflicted - angry, disappointed, resigned and then finally determined to still not give up on him. Didn’t I say earlier that his most defining trait was his loyalty? Yeah!

I’m glad he has a safe place to live where he will be warm and well-fed. Also get to peek at Betty from Archie’s window and have conversations with her? Maybe? I’m not holding out hope that it’s going to last given the spoilers for episode 8 where Archie is blaming Jughead for betraying him by not telling him his dad was a Serpent.

I’m also glad Polly found a place to live at Ronnie’s! Hermione was like - any daughter of Alice Cooper is welcome at my place? Does that mean she and Alice share a cordial relationship? I seem to recall them sharing some bitchy moments earlier in the Mayor’s fundraiser. I don’t think anyone likes Alice. Is Hermione an exception?

I expected the clash between Alice and Penelope to be more - uh, bitchy? I’m not sure why Betty agreed to meet up with the Blossoms. I think its more to get financial support for Polly that she knows she won’t get from her parents since they clearly want to give the baby up for adoption. But still- the Blossoms? What are you thinking gurl?

All in all, this episode really focused on Jughead and how screwed up his life is, and it makes my heart bleed for the poor boy! The scene where he implores Betty to believe that he didn’t do it and those fearful, desperate eyes! Like he’s managed to stay afloat but now finally the net is closing in and he’s choking. He doesn’t know if he can get out. I don’t think he was thinking about evidence and how they could or couldn’t pin it on him at all. He looked totally cornered in that scene. There is some resentment there against Fred Andrews, he clearly believes he did his father wrong. Now that he’s living under his roof plus the fact that Fred helped forge an alibi for him, not sure what he’s gonna think? And how long is he gonna keep the faith in that pathetic excuse of a man called FP? I still wonder why his mom didn’t take him along to her parents? Did he refuse to go? Did he choose to stay with his dad? Fred making up that alibi for Jughead made me want to applaud him and the next minute I was back at throwing shade at him because Archie says “You’ve done this before”. Fred definitely seems to have something to hide.

Also, FP tells Hermione that Lodge took care of the rest of the money. When? How? I thought Hermione was his only conduit. Does he have other people on his job too? Who?

So Jason’s jacket is with FP. So did he torch the car or kill Jason or both or neither? Why would he retrieve that one piece of evidence? I read an interesting theory someplace that FP might actually be Jason’s father (Cheryl being Juggie’s half-sister?? Now this I cannot take!) and he kept the jacket as something to remember his son by. Also Clifford Blossom maybe the real killer since he discovered that Polly was pregnant and did not want the Blossom millions to end up with the Coopers. I don’t know that I buy this theory, but its certainly interesting. Cheryl is supposedly devastated when she learns who the killer is. So it could be one of the Blossoms. But are they that unfeeling and ruthless that would they torture Jason? I’m not really sure about this.

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