#C!Schlatt slander
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i find it funny that like. a lot of dsmp!sbi fics at least briefly touch on the fact that c!tommy is just a child (and typically lead to ooc coddling to some extent) when like. of all the characters of the dream smp, wilbur, phil, and techno are the ones that acknowledge tommy’s maturity the most
the only times i recall them referring to him as a child is to tease him. i wouldn’t be surprised if maybe wilbur said something about tommy just being a kid in regards to the war(s), but for the most part, techno and phil do treat him like an adult. an adult with a lot to learn, but an adult nonetheless. (while there was some amount of protective incentive to techno during the bedrock bros era, it was more of a mutual benefit than anything else.)
meanwhile, basically every other character are the ones that actually acknowledge tommy’s age in relation to his trauma. after his death, both puffy and foolish blew up at the eggpire because “he was just a kid”, and the eggpire acknowledged him as such. dream relies on tommy being younger to manipulate and torment him, sam and quackity feel protective over him because he’s just a child, eret continuously emphasizes tommy’s age in relation to the server’s history and everything he’s gone through. it feels like i’m repeating myself on a lot of these, but in truth, canonically the whole server but the other sbi members recognize tommy’s age and coddle him because of it. it’d probably be more in character for skeppy to show sympathy for tommy’s trauma in relation to his age than phil or techno
#icarus speaks#fsbi slander#i’m bacckkkkk#erases the 0 days without incidents board#i could be wrong here! maybe there’s a scene i forgot!#but all in all. c!sbi do treat tommy like an adult#which i’m not saying is a good or bad thing!! i’m just saying it is what it is!!#while the REST of the server are the ones to acknowledge tommy’s age#hell schlatt probably put it into account more than them 💀#anyways#i’ll be here all week
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c!schlatt: fairly won an election and kicked out the losing party who he knows from personal history will not win with grace and would rather burn down everything than lose, was immediately distrusted by everyone making it impossible for him to get anything done despite having done literally nothing to warrant such distrust, canonically drank to numb chronic pain, had his literal ENTIRE CABINET working against him as spies for which one was punished in which he also died, attempted to get himself out of his alcoholism by replacing it with exercise and protein powder, actually had plans for economic growth and cultural expansion within Manburg,
yall: OMG i cant believe c!schlatt is a heartless dictator that not only kills but murders children also hes transphobic for a furry joke against a cis man!!!!!!
c!schlatt:, makes an attempt to learn his running mate/husbands native language and treat him as an equal, jokingly calls quackity "flatty patty" as an inside joke, tries to tear down the white house in order to not be seen as above the people for which quackity immediately KILLS HIM and betrays him
yall: clearly c!schlatt was physically abusing his domestic partner!!!!!!!! what an evil heartless alcoholic!!!!!!!!
#goddamn im over c!schlatt slander#IM STILL BITTER#dsmp#just say you have no sympathy for addicts and go
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Poff Poff
(Platonic C!Schlatt x Niece Reader)
Request 7: Can I request an Uncle Jschlatt and Niece reader? (Platonic ye) maybe Jschlatt could be out taking his niece to a late-night convenience store so they could late-night snack because both he and his niece had a bad day?
Requested by: Anonymous
AU where Puffy is Schlatt’s sister :)
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Schlatt had, had a rough day, to say the least. He once again almost got banned for another scheme gone wrong. His election plans were set in motion but due to the statistics, it looked like he was losing and he was pissed off beyond belief. He had no plans for the rest of the day, all he wanted to do was relax with a drink and a cigarette, maybe watch a movie, just something to help him through the rest of this shitty ass day.
So, When Puffy had shown up on his doorstep and dropped you off to watch you while she went out his immediate response was no. He already smells like cigarette smoke and whiskey he shouldn’t be anywhere near a child. But one harsh glare from his sister made him shut his trap, he looked down at you and you looked just as unhappy to be there.
“Mom do I have to stay here, I’m old enough to stay on my own. Or even with Dream?” The angsty teen groaned tilting her head to the side, her little horns hitting her on the shoulder. Puffy let out a pinched huff pressing her fingers to her nose,
“You know Dreams out with George and Sapnap, plus you’re still too young to be left alone. So you’re staying with Uncle Schlatt until I get back from my date with Niki.”
“But-”
“Hush no butts. Now you.” She pointed a finger at Schlatt, “no smoking or drinking in front of my little Poff got it?” Schlatt rolled his eyes snarling over at his sister,
“Have a little faith in me, sis.” She shot him a look, and he wilted a little bit,
“Be good.”
“I will.” You groaned,
“Not talking to you.”
“I will.” The goat-man grumbled under his breath, finally seeming satisfied his sister departed leaving her equally hotheaded daughter by his side. “So...you smoke?”
“No Uncle Schlatt I don’t smoke,” You sighed a frown on your face usually that comment got a least a snort.
Oh no, not teenage angst.
You walked past him into his humble abode and plopped down on his couch, it also smelled like smoke, “How’s Quackity?”
“You mean Flatty Patty?” He smirked plopping down beside you scratching at his ear absentmindedly. You snickered, there it was,
“No I don’t, you know he hates when you call him that.” You nudged him gently, Schlatt ruffled your hair minding your horns. You huffed at him moving to fix your tousled hair,
“Alright, kid you got me. Now, what’s up with you?”
“Nothings wrong.” You muttered crossing your arms over your chest defensively, he shrugged his shoulders not bothering to push you. “Okay fine!” You blurted throwing your hands in the air, the man raised an eyebrow.
“I didn’t say anything-”
“It’s just Dream’s not been home lately and Mom’s not taking it well. Instead of trying to watch out for him n’ shit, she’s going on dates with Niki.” You groaned falling back against the couch, “When he does come home it’s just for food and to pet, his cat then leave. He barely even says hi to us anymore...we used to be so close. Now he just doesn’t care.” Your face fell and he frowned, Schlatt winced a little he was never known to be very good with comforting people let alone comforting women. He placed a hand on your shoulder and squeezed,
“He’ll come around kid, family’s, family you know?” He watched you shrug sadly and he rubbed his chin with his other hand.
He needed another cigarette right now.
You looked up at him and saw him tense, “You can smoke I don’t care.” You gave a little shrug, “either way I’m leaving here smelling like smoke Mom won’t be able to tell the difference.”
“Heh.” He chuckled roughly rubbing the back of his neck, “thank’s kid, I owe you one.” You nodded and watched as Schlatt pulled out his package of cigarettes and frowned seeing it was empty, “Ah fuck me.”
“You out?”
“Yeah. Would you be opposed to a quick drugstore run?” You shrugged your shoulders, indifferent.
“Sure could be fun. Could I get a snack?”
“You could get whatever you want, not payin’ for it.” You snorted loudly covering your mouth to hide your snort. “What? If you can steal it you can get whatever you want.”
“I’m not stealing anything Uncle Schlatt, that’s wrong.”
“Ugh. What’s my goody-two-shoes sister been teaching you?” His nose scrunched up in displeasure. “As long as you don’t get caught anything is legal kid. Stick with me and you’ll learn way more tips than that. I'm a professional.”
“Right cause doing that hasn’t gotten banned before.” You smirked and he glared at you pulling on your horn. The movement caused you to yelp in pain. “Joke! I was joking! Ow!” He muttered a ‘you better be’ before standing up from his couch. You followed him from the couch as he made his way to the door, he held it open for you and you snickered “What a gentlemen.”
“Don’t slander my name like that again.” He scoffed, “Follow me, don’t wander off.” Schlatt commanded as you followed him down to the nearest convenience store, “Go get something you like.” He shooed you off and requested the pack of cigarettes he needed making small talk with the store clerk while you wandered around. “Hurry up kid or you get nothing!”
“I’m coming!” You yelled back in your arms was a pack of sour patch watermelons, a chocolate bar, and some chips, “I got you chips.” Schlatt tried to bite back a smile but it came through anyway and it only made you smile in tandem. He paid for your goodies and you both headed out to go sit outside on a nearby bench. As you sat down you turned to stare at him dead in the eyes, he felt a little unsettled and watched as you slowly pulled out a little bag of popcorn. “I stole it.”
“Holy fuck kid you did it!” He burst into laughter ruffling your hair once again, “I’m proud of you.” You beamed brightly sitting up straighter on the bench, you opened the bag and popped a piece into your mouth. Schlatt reached forward and stole a handful from you, you ripped the bag away defensively and he snickered.
“Soo…” You trailed off softly and he raised an eyebrow at you, “You seemed to have a bad day too. You wanna talk about it?” His eyes widened in surprise, he didn’t take you to be so observant, then again you were Puffy’s child.
“Alright Poff,” he clicked his tongue distastefully and began to recount his woes to his child niece. Halfway through he pulled out a freshly bought cigarette and stuck it between his teeth. He pulled out a lighter flicking it a few times before lighting the cancer stick in his mouth and taking a long drag. You nodded your head in response and seemed to be listening intently to him, as he talked he felt his facade crumbling. The goat man slumped across the bench and was openly ranting to you at this point. “So yeah, that’s how my days going. Guess we both are doing pretty shitily huh?” You pursed your lips,
“Why don’t you ask Quackity to combine both of your votes the day of the election?” He looked at you with a raised eyebrow, you flushed nervously under his stern gaze. “Then you can be the President and he can be your Vice President or something...that way you both win in a way, ya know?”
“Kid…” Schlatt murmured thoughtfully rubbing his chin, “you’re a genius!” He wrapped you up in a hug, “this kid! I love ya! You’re too smart for your good!” You beamed letting out a happy laugh in response, “I’m contacting him immediately. Wilbur and Tommy don’t stand a fucking chance against me now.”
“I’m glad I can make you happy.” You snuggled into his arms but recoiled a little bit at the overwhelming scent of fresh smoke on his clothes, “you deserve it.” Schlatt felt his heart shutter a little at the inclination that he deserves to be happy, he was about to respond with a joke but you started talking again. “You’re a good guy Uncle. You don’t let people see it often but you’re an okay dude,” he watched you fiddle with your fingers as his eyebrows furrowed. He chuckled a little,
“Most people would disagree with you kid.”
“Well most people don’t know like mom and I do,” You pointed out, “Plus if you weren’t a nice guy you wouldn’t have tried to cheer me up.”
“I needed smokes.” He pointed out motioning to the stick in his mouth and you frowned a little.
Good, things were getting too mushy for his liking.
He was about to smirk in triumph but you turned towards him a determined look on your face. “My point still stands, for example, if you weren’t that great of a guy you wouldn’t have watched me today. You would’ve shut the door in Puffy’s face or you wouldn’t have listened and tried to comfort me. Therefore, my point still stands,” You shoved your finger in his face and he grumbled in displeasure. You smirked instead of him, getting the signature family smirk on your face it only made him frown deeper.
“Alright fine, but you tell anyone I’m slightly nice you’re cut off.”
“Cut off from what? You’re inheritance? You’re broke as shit.”
“You’re way too much like your mother.”
“Aw, you think so?” You flushed fondly, “Thanks!” You chirped proudly, puffing out your chest a little bit. He scoffed tugging on your horns once more and smirked as you yelped, “Would you stop doing that!”
“Nah I don’t think I will. Especially because I know it’s bothering you.”
“Asshole.”
“That’s more like it.”
You leaned back against the back of the bench with a loud groan throwing some popcorn at him. He snickered loudly, watching you closely all in all Schlatt did enjoy today. He kissed his teeth a little, you were way smarter than everyone seemingly gave you credit for, especially Dream. When Schlatt wins this election maybe he’d give you a position in his cabinet. He thinks you would like that, finally being able to show people who’s boss and what you’re capable of, yeah that’s what he’ll do. Reluctantly Schlatt pulled you close so your head rested against his shoulder, you smiled up at him softly, all in all, it was a good end to his day.
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if c!ranboo ever confronts c!quackity over what c!tubbo told him - that c!quackity arranged and cheered for his execution alongside c!schlatt - i want a full blown the electoral debates moment where c!quackity literally pulls up vods proving the claims wrong
i will not stand for this season 1 c!quackity slander and misinformation becoming a part of canon that people will take as fact
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oh. my. god. controversy duo is so criminally underrated. all i’ll say is that dream and schlatt fit so well together both c! and cc!. plus nothing like a good hate fuck can’t fix between them. do you think they would get into scandals in slandering the others name just to get their attention? - 🌱☕️
No because you're so right.
For cc, I just think their energy would go absolutely great together.
They could be such a power couple too! Imagine Dream reviving Schlatt and them teaming up. It would be over. Or maybe Dream using Schlatt in return for being revived? Keeping him as a pet perhaps?
And yes, they'd absolutely slander each other's names. They would constantly be trying to convince Twitter the other is Actually The Worst. Most the time, it's just to get the other's attention, but it's also a lot of playful banter.
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Hi, I've been out most of the day and I'm trying to figure out why my dash is so upset rn. Could you maybe fill me in on what happened please?
yeye i can give you a quick summary! (all of this is /rp)
basically, on the new lore streams with bad, he's been slandering tommy pretty bad over the Prime Path conflict. he griefed tommy's house by covering it in obsidian and even said that dream had it right about tommy and that tommy was horrible. he ranted for a WHILE about how tommy's childish and selfish and how he "needs to learn a lesson"
on today's stream with cpk, he continued and told cpk that tommy is basically evil, that it's okay to steal from him (and encouraged) and that he vandalized the prime path and lied that it was bad's path first (and not that bad was the one who changed it, and tommy was just changing it back)
he said tommy is worse than schlatt was. you know, the guy who was a dictator and abuser. it's incredibly uncomfortable to watch and i know several people who had to close the stream because of how he not only claimed an abuse victim was worse than an abuser, but then said that dream was just a guy who had some bad stuff happen to him. it's...disgusting.
there's lore summaries on twitter that go into detail but basically, it's more of the same thing we've seen a bunch of times - tommy is slandered by people who should know better, his actions are demonized and blown out of proportion, new members of the SMP are given tons of misinformation, dream is given sympathy and his crimes brushed off, and tommy gets his shit stolen + his house griefed.
and out of character, a lot of people including myself are very upset because this is like, the millionth time we've seen it and at this point, with a really bad handling of c!tommy's abuse by other characters, we have little hope cc!bad can do this correctly and are upset that he's taken this route at all because it's proving to be very harmful and we're sick of it never being treated with the gravity it deserves.
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i've never seen c!tubbo slander with my own eyes. i've heard faint whispers about it but i've never seen it. every day i thank the gods for that bc if i did i would go fucking feral, like foaming at the mouth and barking feral.
you can shit on c!wilbur all you want idc, you can absolutely shit on c!schlatt i'll even join you, you can shit on c!tommy i'll let it slide.
but man, ya'll should rue the day i see c!tubbo crit
#dream smp#dsmp#tubbo#c!tubbo#i just love c!tubbo so much#c!wilbur#wilbur soot#wilbur#c!schlatt#tommyinnit#c!tommy
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And the idea that c!Wilbur and c!Tommy thought c!Dream was a tyrant based on him Banning Schlatt (I remember them calling him a tyrant for this once)
That's their opinion on him Banning someone who had not done Anything on the server yet. If they thought he was a tyrant for That, then that's also Not Slander as its. Talking about something he actually did?
Forming a negative opinion based on the Ultimate Authority of the server banning their friend (at the time) who had not yet done anything? That's Not making up reasons to villainise him lol
I think ppl tend to forget that c!Schlatt had already been on the server once and was Friends w these dudes
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Like, I’m not even mad at anything but saying c!Tubbo ““called for his death”” that’s just flat out WRONG man was running on no sleep fumbling through a speech he didn’t prepare in front of people he was PETRIFIED of, he just said the first thing that came to mind when prompted, not intending either to blow up or not blow up Manburg. He didn’t even fucking say it until c!Schlatt prompted him, he wouldn’t have said it unless c!Schlatt put him on the spot there. I am NOT taking this c!Tubbo slander. Regardless of whether he wanted to blow up Manburg or not, there he very definitely was panicked, on the spot, and not thinking clearly and it’s beyond unfair to blame him for ANYTHING.
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a lot of the issue with techno as a character is he doesnt communicate with anyone or ask questions and doesnt fight back against others unless its against him and he seems to believe that unless he is endebted to others that they wouldnt fight for him
which is bs cause back during the festival the pogtopia crew would have and other people in manburg would have joined in and maybe manburg would have fallen and been replaced better at that point man imagine if schlatt would have been taken out then
i agree anon. i buy obliviousness as c!techno's fatal flaw but it's just not used in a way that is meaningful imo and to some points it gets just frustrating - like i really struggle to believe and c!techno somehow had no idea that c!wilbur's plan was to blow up l'manberg, and then had no meaningful response to this when he did find out. i can see him seeing c!dream as a kindred spirit and unaware/somewhat unwilling to entertain slander against him, but nothing HAPPENS because of that. he owes c!dream a favour? well he pays it off easily and faces no consequences or damage for dealing with (OWING, even) the most dangerous person on the server. i feel like the consequences he faces for not communicating aren't meaningful bc he never learns. sure you could say he didn't communicate his retirement well, which led to the butcher army, and he almost died and it was scary - fine. cool. but then he just goes on to purposely misconstrue his intentions AGAIN to c!tommy and i just get like... annoyed? like he didn't lose a life, he didn't lose items, he didn't lost c!phil, he didn't lose any meaningful relationships, and he didn't lose anything as we now know from owing c!dream a favour for his escape and he doesn't appear to learn anything about communication here. and it justifies his existing desire to destroy l'manberg. THAT is why the butcher army does not feel like a loss despite it being a literal execution
i don't know if they could have taken manberg down entirely at the time but they sure would be less shattered after the festival 😭 there would be no pit, c!wilbur would be spiralling less, c!niki wouldn't be brought in with no info. it would have strengthened pogtopia SO MUCH i just UGHHH. i still love the festival as a tragic event so i am okay with the whole operation going tits up but it's still frustrating to think about
#crit zone#c!techno critical#sorry for talking about the butcher army in your ask abt manberg i have a poor attention span#but i feel like its relevant bc its the biggest example of not learning shit#asks
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There we go twitter again with the l'manberg talks and it is all so blatantly obvious that people are not only ignoring the fact c!Wilbur wanted to right the vote which is a red flag in itself, but when Wilbur talked about the script of what would have happened if they had won, he confirmed L'manberg and c!Wilbur himself would have not been considered "great" and "good". Apple, I'm tired. Aren't they tired of saying the same thing over and over? - nony
Imma be honest, I have no idea what you mean by saying c!Wilbur wanted to right the vote nor by saying that c!Wilbur & L'Manburg were confirmed to have not been "good".
Could be my memory failing me, but in the elections, the most fraudulent thing c!Wilbur did was like… support c!Tommy's attempts at slandering c!Quackity, if you discount the fact that the man was gonna straight-up run a one-party election initially.
As for the script for POG2020's victory, c!Wilbur would eventually step down due to failing to preserve peace, not because everyone's realized he's "bad" or smth. That treaty has interesting implications for c!Wilbur's character since the first thing he would do is to make the wall thicker and imprison c!Schlatt for voter fraud (what voter fraud??), but nothing like what you're saying.
EDIT: Nony probably meant to say "rig the vote" in which case, yeah, that's one hell of a red flag.
#apple answers#nony#i'm mostly posting this to see if I've missed smth coz I got no idea where this came from#this ask has been sitting here for a coupla months sorry I am only now getting to the bottom of my askbox phh
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Hi, hello, what takes on the "villains" of the server do you have? (Like c!Techno, c!Philza, c!Dream, maybe c!Wilbur or c!Bad-) I'm curious about how you see stuff- I don't follow twitter, but you seem very cool!
-cloud anon
Hello cloud anon!
Gonna start off by saying that the label “villain” makes little sense in the Dream SMP because the story doesn’t follow traditional writing conventions where there’s a protagonist and an antagonist (aka villain). Who you call the villain depends largely on which POV you favor (”Evil is in the eye of the beholder”, as c!Dream once said). So I personally don’t like using that label. It’s applicable sometimes but I avoid it
Either way *rubs hands* Let’s get to those takes
I am a massive c!Philza and c!Technoblade apologist. I absolutely love their dynamic, their lore and their personalities and believe the majority of their actions to be completely justified. I started out meta writing about Techno, and Philza joined the party a bit later, so I’ve been an apologist for the two for ages. If I see bad crit of the two I riot. There will be no Syndicate slander allowed on my blog /lh The two are my favourite characters
I call myself a c!Dream enthusiast. I like his character a lot and think there’s depth to him beyond his “evil villain” label. I believe his evilness to have been greatly exaggerated, especially in Season 1. To me, he is just another dude trying to achieve his goals (albeit through questionable methods at times), not just “the bad guy”. I’ve written a simplistic analysis of c!Dream on my Twitter if you’re interested in how I view him
I’ve been hanging out in c!Dream apologist spaces but I don’t feel like that label particularly fits me even though I do, on occasion, offer defences for c!Dream’s actions. And this is where I put the disclaimer that I do not think that what c!Dream has done to c!Tommy in exile is excusable, but there’s much more to his character than just the exile arc and his abuse of c!Tommy
As you may have noticed from the kind of entry I’ve had to this website I am very critical of c!Wilbur and L’Manburg. I believe c!Wilbur to be very self-absorbed and destructive both to himself and to others. I think c!Wilbur has been majorly driven by a desire for power since almost the moment he joined the server. However, my opinion of him is far from hateful. I think he is a very well-written character with great complexity and I am excited to see what trouble he gets up to now that he’s been revived (because God knows no one on this server is getting a recovery arc no matter how desperately they need it)
When it comes to c!BBH, I find him to be rather selfish and almost possessive of c!Skeppy to the point where he disregards others’ lives completely just so that he can keep his best friend by his side. It’s an interesting aspect of his character but not one that I am too enthusiastic about
You didn’t ask but I’ll drop my opinion on c!Schlatt and that opinion is that he taxed Niki Nihachu which immediately takes away all of his rights /j
Soooo here’s a kind of intro for my takes on the Dream SMP “”“villains”””
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Obligatory I haven't kept up with Season Three at all and everything I talk about is pre Tommy dying, pre Niki joining the syndicate, pre Red Banquet, pre Los Navadas, pre Wilbur Revival, and pre Tommy/Ranboo marriage. To the point where I don't actually know functionally anything about any of the events I just mentioned except that they are the names of things that have gone down that y'all may know about so you can figure out when I stopped watching and what the most recent events at the time were. Pretty much everything I bring up in any of my posts will be primarily based in season one or season two discourse/events and I cannot promise anything is accounted for past the season two finale.
SO ONTO THE ACTUAL POST.
Hey why is it that the Techno Apologists never latch onto any examples of L'manburg actually being fucked up?
Like, it's always whining about how Techno was Betrayed when Pogtopia did literally exactly what they had been openly planning to do since the beginning, or about how The Butcher Army was supposedly so Mean and Bad for trying to execute Techno, or about how....idk man, L'manburg being awful solely because they were involved in so much conflict?
Which I mean not only are all of these arguments very weirdly untrue.
They're also super hypocritical.
Like it's so consistently argued that Techno didn't betray Pogtopia since he made his intentions clear from the start, but that also debunks their point that Techno was betrayed on account of the fact that Pogtopia made their intentions clear from the start too. People cheered and loudly passionately agreed and supported Techno's "And those that treat me with injustice — that use me, that hunt me down, that hurt my friends — I shall repay that injustice a thousand times over!" thing and yet this adamant support of such brutal retribution during a conflict in which Techno himself had landed the first blow....actively contradicts the narrative that the Butcher Army are bad and evil and had no right to do what they did? I mean Techno literally canonically both hunted Quackity down and hurt his friends and the case that Techno was used at all is only about as strong as the case that he used the others so either both of em' were or neither were, and in either case, there's no leg to stand on when Techno apologists happily support Techno destroying an entire nation including the lives and homes of people who had nothing to do with The Butcher Army yet also scoff at the very idea that executing a war criminal for murder and terrorism against them could possibly be anything other than horrifically evil and corrupt! Not to mention that again, "L'manburg are filled with such Violent Troublemakers who cause so much Chaos and Conflict", is a really weird and hypocritical thing to claim when you're defending mister Blood For The Blood God over here who literally jumped in the second he heard the word Revolution because he was just that fucking ready to fight then canonically took the lives of multiple members of L'manburg and blew up their whole city while explicitly talking about his desire for Chaos in a "Dog Eat Dog World"????
Like not only is it pretty easy to argue all these points on a "that's like factually incorrect?" basis alone but even completely refusing to touch that angle, literally nothing L'manburg did that's brought up by Techno Apologists as a gotcha can stand as an actual argument in his favour because every single fucking bit of it is stuff that Techno himself holds as part of his Oh So Righteous Ideology and it really doesn't work to say "Retribution is bad, but Retribution For Retribution! THAT I can get behind!" or "Conflict is bad, except when the bloodshed is For The Blood God of course" or "Pogtopia still Used and Betrayed him even though they were upfront from the start and the alliance was a mutual agreement initiated by Techno actually but Techno didn't use or betray anyone, he was upfront from the start and the alliance was a mutual agreement, how could he have betrayed them?"
Which is actually Painful lately because THERE ARE ACTUAL POINTS YA'LL COULD BE MAKING THAT AREN'T COMPLETELY FALSE OR HYPOCRITICAL ACTUALLY!
I don't support c!Techno by any means, in large part because I don't think he believes what he says and even if he did he hurts the people in his attempts to 'help'. But i'd like to point out very easy arguments to make in favour of the ideology and stance many Techno apologists seem keen on arguing he has.
For example, what about the L'manburg election? Two of the parties committed voter fraud which actively put the liberty/freedom of the people at risk. There was literally One decent party who's entire reason for joining was literally "Hey that's really fucked up that you just tried to ensure your own governmental power through unfair means at the expense of the people's agency?" with a side point of "Also while we're at it maybe you shouldn't ban a whole group of people from your country entirely all because like Two people who happen to be part of that group hurt you, that's kinda messed up too" and then there was a fourth party who literally Opened their campaign by swinging at other people and manically declaring their power. In the end the guys who literally tried to rig the election and honestly should have been banned outright from running because of the blatant act of corruption still won popular vote and in a desperate attempt to mediate how Bad of a decision the people had made there the one halfway decent candidate pooled votes with the only dude who didn't commit voter fraud but then the people still suffered because the coalition was quickly completely overpowered by the more corrupt/violent party and literally no amount of attempts to make things better through begging him to listen or going behind his back to free people who'd been unfairly imprisoned or anything else along those lines could change the fact that "I'm the president here, not you~". This situation was really fucked up. Behind door number one we've got the Hamilton Cosplay Tyrants who keep talking about the Glory Days or the War Effort or whatever and won't let anyone who doesn't have a similar enough accent to them into the country. Door number two are the Baked Goods Tyrants who are using this election to promote their cookies and stick it to the candidates dad that he's cooler than him or whatever, they literally hack the voter count and are Known for dragging other people into petty conflict (and not like "fighting your oppressors is so unnecessary" anti-l'manburg bad take levels of supposed "petty conflict", i mean like, actual petty conflict, case in point the damn pet wars). Then with door number three there's the Alcoholism-Is-Cool Tyrant man who at least didn't fudge any votes but also has never not been drunk and literally hunted the other candidates for sport when he first showed up so I mean in what world is this guy a stable candidate for anything at all, much less for a position of authority over people as influential as president. Now, behind door number four, there's actually a...pretty decent option? The entire reason he joined to begin with is because he was absolutely enraged by the corrupt bs the others were pulling with their little "run a single party election" stunt. The other party's spread blatantly false quotes supposedly from him to make him look bad. The other parties go out of their way to burn down his builds. He's honestly relatively cordial in comparison but still hits hard during debates, mainly because he's got some points. "There's good in everyone", i've been told he'd insisted, trying his best to talk to one of the other candidates and get to know him only to be shut down entirely. There were three AWFUL candidates and one honestly good one. And yet the way the system was set up meant there was pretty much no chance of winning. Meant the people were screwed no matter what. The people trying to commit ballot fraud and slandering the competition were the ones who set the terms of the election, two complete randos who didn't bother signing up initially showed up drunk or trying to prove something to their dad and also just all around being Awful and they were still allowed to enter. Which all kinda fucked Quackity over, actually. And then he was forced to either let Wilbur have full control knowing how corrupt and manipulative he was or pool votes with the violent drunk and maybe swerve their shared administration into something good. The entire setup from the word go completely fucked over Quackity and that
completely fucked over the innocent people of L'manburg. And even going into their shared administration, Quackity was so powerless! Schlatt did horrible corrupt things to everyone and Quackity was there at every juncture trying his absolute best to mediate that. But there was so little he could do from his position that he had to resort to very non legal methods like breaking Niki out of jail behind Schlatt's back, standing in the blast radius while he tried to convince Schlatt not to go through with Tubbo's execution because they can't just take the shot with him standing in the line of fire trying to talk them out of it surely, and even eventually firing an arrow into Schlatt and being the only person to canonically have the guts to not only walk out of Manburg of their own free will openly spiting Schlatt, but the only person who had the guts to purposefully take a life from him as well. And. Well. THIS IS ALL A HUGE FUCKING ISSUE. There was no good reason someone corrupt had to win that election, there was even a decent candidate running! And genuinely for no other reason than because the alternatives were Really Fucked Up as well! Then the fact that Quackity, even as vice president, had so little say in anything that he wasn't even legally allowed to protect good people from wrongful imprisonment or stop Schlatt from tearing down priceless monuments that meant a LOT to people? That's so much worse. Corrupt people designing the system specifically to facilitate their corruption and lend an unreasonable amount of power to a select few people to the extent where the goddamn vice president, another member of the government, can't do anything legally to stop the president from doing horrific things. That's bad. That is actually really bad. And even beyond the bullshit of the election and how little Quackity could do about any of this despite literally doing everything he was supposed to and was legally capable of doing, there's the added layer of how little agency the people of L'manburg had in all of this! Schlatt's main political rivals were immediately exiled- and not even for the corruption scandal, literally just because they were Schlatt's political rivals- and he literally threw his dissenters in jail not to mention executing a kid and tearing down important history. I mean, he had an approval rate of Literally Nobody and was actively hurting/oppressing his people. And there seemed to be literally no impeachment process at all in place and when the people he was meant to lead unanimously took up arms against him THEY were criticized and labeled as villainous usurpers as the vague ideal of ~Legality~ was placed as more important than actual real life people. trying to live without a dictator hanging constantly over them! Schlatt's technical legal position is regularly cited as a mark against the Pogtopia revolution, because apparently Schlatt's right to sit upon a blood coated throne drinking his life away ruling a ghost town where nobody felt they could safely live was somehow more important than the rights of every single person who lived in and loved that nation to stay alive and feel secure in their own homes! In this case the government did fail. In this case corrupt people set up a corrupt system that boosted other corrupt people with no reasonable way for any single good politician to negate nor any way for the people themselves to change this. Not without going outside of the law and being deemed immoral for impeding on the rule of their rightful leader. This IS a situation in which the government systematically hurt and failed the people in ways that were near impossible to change or escape. THIS IS L'MANBURG HAVING A CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.
Look no further than mister Dreamwastaken for more examples of governmental corruption! I mean, sure, Dream never technically held an office, but his lack of title does nothing to change his position as the ruler of the Smp. Dream is the one who names and dethrones kings, Dream is the one who chooses which nations to legitimize and which to destroy, Dream is the decider of the laws of this land and he can add or remove them as he pleases down to exerting his permission to break even the most sacred laws of the server such as killing within the holy lands. It doesn't matter if Dream had a specific title, he was, by definition, Government. Government is "the governing body of a nation, state, or community", a governing body is the person/people with authority to conduct the policy, actions, and affairs of a state, organization, or people. Dream. Was. Government. Corrupt government! From the very beginning of the server exerting his supreme god given control over people who didn't want it! Lying, cheating, stealing, killing, forcing his will onto others, hurting the people constantly. Dream was an honest to god tyrant, even moreso than any other villain on the server had ever been! And if you look back at every other awful thing that happened in the series it links back almost without fail to him. To his control. I mean need I remind everyone that one of the primary reasons Schlatt wasn't forcefully overthrown sooner was because Dream was standing in support of his rule? Need I remind everyone that the entire reason L'manburg ever had to exist anyway was because unionizing and protesting and standing as a united front was the only way the people of the server could hope to escape Dream's unwanted and oppressive government? Dream stood behind the actions of damn near every terrible government official we ever saw as well with the one exception being maybe Badboyhalo. Dream was government and he was extremely corrupt. Like. BLATANTLY so.
And god, i'm still shocked by how little I saw Techno apologists talk about the fucking exile. I mean dear god. That was the accumulation of like Every shitty government problem in the whole server. I mean first off enter Dream being unreasonable and Awful again, obviously, I mean Tommy burned a few blocks, who cares, it was fixed in like five seconds and George didn't even care that much. But Dream used his position as, y'know, the governing body of the Smp, to blow it out of proportion and demand Tommy be unfairly and disproportionately punished. Not only did Dream's governing position enable him to do this, he took advantage of George's and Tommy's own positions as a means to twist the narrative in his favour. Dream blatantly exploited his government position, George's government position, Tommy's government position, and then worst of all Tubbo's. Quackity and Fundy desperately urged Tubbo not to go through with the exile, Ranboo swiftly snapped to Tommy's defense and called out that this whole thing was completely unfair, Tommy himself was completely dismayed and insisted this wasn't right. And it wasn't! Anyone could see that, this whole situation was a blatant abuse of government power in like ten different ways from Dream and the only thing to do was to shut him down! It would be a betrayal to everything they stood for, to their personal relationships, to the duty they had to protect innocent people, to general morality and basic principles, to go through with the exile, and the majority of people felt this very strongly. Wanted to protect Tommy and themselves from Dream's governmental abuse. But Tubbo did it anyway. This was the decision of two people and two people alone. Dreamwastaken and Tubbounderscore. But their opinions were the only ones that mattered, because they're the leaders. They're the heads of government. And if they spoke the command, to see that Tommyinnit were out of their territories where he would be tortured and abused for months? Then so be it. Then their word is law. Fundy and Quackity were struck with complete horror, they screamed, they pushed, they were in complete and utter disarray, and there was nothing they could do as long as Tubbo held to his decision because as we established back during Schlatt's reign, not even a good politician desperate for things to be better holds a candle to the decision of the president, and there's nothing that can be done, because he's president and they're not. Within much of the fandom Quackity and Fundy were criticized for "disrespecting" Tubbo's choice. Because what right did they have to speak out against the choice of the president? Tubbo was in charge, and it was their job to shut up and facilitate his decisions. That was an implication I saw often at the time. That because Tubbo was president, because of his title, his governmental position, his opinion was inherently more important and was absolutely not subject to scrutiny from those 'below' him. That the anger and hurt and fear of Quackity and Fundy, of real people, for their livelihoods and their safety and their friend, were less important than Tubbo's decision. This placement of Tubbo as 'above' the others and the implication that they are obligated to bite their tongues for the sake of 'respect' towards their president and his authority? It was complete and total bullshit. And I fully expected the Techno apologists to come out of the woodwork to affirm this! I fully expected to be able to agree with the Techno apologists for once, maybe not on every level, but at the very least on the level that this situation oozed governmental abuse from every pore and the idea that real people who felt hurt and scared and betrayed and angry because of Tubbo and Dream's little political nightmare were somehow out of line in their intense feelings because Tubbo's word is law and they need to show some respect to their government? I thought immediately that there was NO way in HELL this wouldn't be picked up immediately by the anti government Techno apologists!
But the thing is. It wasn't.
None of these were.
Techno apologists rarely acknowledge any of these actual examples of the government being really fucked up in favour of exhaustingly see through and hypocritical non examples to justify Techno's anti-government stance.
And, well, I highly suspect the reason for this is exactly the reason I can't support the perspective of c!Techno to begin with despite how I just went on my own rant about government corruption.
And that reason is because Techno, and by association the people who argue for his world view, don't actually care.
I mean, let me ask you a question. Just really, truly, honestly. In all of these examples of real honest to god government corruption issues from Wilbur to Schlatt to Dream.....who were the victims?
The people.
The people of L'manburg.
Tubbo, Niki, Fundy, Tommyinnit, Quackity. I mean they Kinda played parts in Some of these issues but usually under direst distress/manipulation from Wilbur or Schlatt or Dream.
The people who suffered, the people who's lives were effected, the people who were disproportionally hurt by all of the real governmental issues on the server are the people of L'manburg. The people who suffered under Schlatt's leadership, the child executed unfairly, the woman thrown in prison, the one politician who fought to make things right but was overpowered at every step, the people who lost their homes, the people who lost their friends, the other child exiled and abused for months for no good reason, the two who begged and pleaded and did everything to stop it only to be left powerless to protect him, even the young president himself cornered into this decision by fear and trauma and threats from somebody intent on exploiting the governmental dynamics to hurt people. Those are the fucking victims!
And nobody defending a Techno perspective can afford to acknowledge a situation in which the people of L'manburg are the victims!
It's a question nobody seems to know how to answer, really. The argument is made and even taken for granted as true that Techno things governments are corrupt and oppressive, he did what he did to protect the people this oppression would hurt. But who exactly are these people Techno protected? Where are these livelihoods defended? These lives saved? These homes maintained? These happy people Techno saved from the oppressive government?
The truth is that they're not real.
And the only people Techno ever managed to hurt were the victims he claims to be defending from the corruption of governments.
Now, the sources of corruption were Wilbur, Schlatt, Dream, and their policies. The way the elections were set up, the unfair power dynamic established by the corrupt first two presidents of the nation, and the control/abuse Dream exerted from his own governmental position. So naturally anybody who wants to actually tackle government corruption in the Smp needs to take care of them first and foremost. Get Wilbur and Schlatt out of power at least, get rid of Dream period, and then start reforming and limiting governmental controls. If not completely dismantling the government at least establishing things within L'manburg like actually effective checks and balances within the governmental body, setting up an impeachment process, putting harder vigilance onto what a president can or can't do, upheaving and adding more restrictions/rules/protections within the election system, etc. Outside of L'manburg would be trickier, however it likely wouldn't be too difficult to at least significantly alter/water-down the roles of Eret or George or whoever the king is at this point, again, if not entirely abolishing the role. The Badlands are a weird situation and honestly especially with the whole egg thing they'd for sure still be an Issue and a lot harder to reform but I mean to be fair their whole schtick is literally just being a corrupt government and trying to take as much land as possible and rule the world so what you wanna do there is use the same force you used with Wilbur, Schlatt, and Dream to disband The Badlands.
"Woah Woah Woah, you talk about that like it's so easy, that wouldn't be possib-"
yes it would be.
Schlatt died of alcohol poisoning before we could even touch him, Wilbur threw himself onto a sword with gusto, and Dream for all his bravado literally did not put up any fight once people got off their asses for two seconds to take care of him, okay? And again, The Badlands are a more worrying situation with The Egg and the amount of land they own and Sam's jurisdiction over the prison and all, but I mean from what i've heard via word of mouth pretty much everyone's canonically sick of their shit and are fairing pretty well thus far all things considered.
"Okay, fine, Beating People Up is easy enough, but what about the real work of government reforms?!? All these people are so Greedy and Powerhungry they'd neve-"
That's the whole thing, though, isn't it? They're NOT. Quackity spent literally the first two seasons at least as an active part of the government and he did fuck all for himself, he spent the whole time trying to stop Wilbur's corruption after finding out about his voter fraud or trying to stop Schlatt's corruption from hurting people or trying to stop Dream's corruption or trying to make sure his friends aren't abused/killed/jailed for no good reason or trying to keep their homes from being blown up again and the only reason he even got involved in politics at all was literally specifically because Wilbur was trying to run a one party election and SOMEONE had to put their foot down there, Quackity's always been very about Power To The People and preserving the rights/history of the people generally and has a history of stepping back into a less commanding role when he's secure in the knowledge that he doesn't Need to be taking charge or everyone might suffer/die/lose-their-homes-again. Tommy outright refused to be president when he was given the chance and has really consistently moreso cheered for the people he loves when they land in some sort of office rather than persuing leadership himself, and while he's been very willing to take up a leadership role when it's needed and people are in danger/in need of someone to step up and rally them, Tommy would really rather just listen to his music discs and spend time with his friends and pull a few relatively harmless pranks here and there and make big ugly (/lh/pos) cobble towers that he's so proud of anyway and doesn't seem to get why everyone else exasperatedly roll their eyes at them because he just thinks they're so neat! Tubbo is much the same, he took on a leadership position when it didn't seem there was any other choice but to do so but he's been content to play support for the most part other than that and really truly just wants to live a peaceful life with his bees and his best friend. Fundy and Niki actively chased the presidency at one point, of course, and I used their campaign as an example of corrupt bs as well, but honestly they were just dumb rebellious teens who didn't seem to get the weight of the election and just kinda like handed out pastries then lost miserably, so I mean, more than forgivable on their part, really, and for the large majority of L'manburg's history they followed in everyone else's pattern of stepping in when people need to be protected but otherwise just trying to live happy peaceful normal lives. This little group spent the large majority of their time in L'manburg just trying to defend themselves and their homes and each other from corruption and oppression so that maybe just maybe they could finally get to rest knowing that nobody's in any danger. If the danger went away, so would their need to step in. Quackity would go do some dumb (/lh/pos) bit where he puts on a ridiculous skin and sings even more ridiculous songs, Niki would be baking cookies and sharing them with her best buddy Fundy and anyone else who wanted to drop by, Tubbo and Tommy would be in a field somewhere watching the bees and listening to Mellohi while they giggle to themselves waiting for someone to find the big goofy posters they put up everywhere as a prank. That's who they were for the large majority of their arcs throughout L'manburg's existence. On the other side of things neither George nor Eret really care too deeply about the crown either. George only ever wanted a crown after he lost it, not because of the power, but because he was hurt by Dream's lack of regard for him. Eret on the other hand has a precedent of putting aside his crown for the wellbeing of other people and has long since resolved himself to be better than the person he used to be. None of them would be opposed to heavy reformation or even absolution of government powers. The entire reason L'manburg even exists is because of the fear and trauma and pain that came from the oppressive government force that is Dream and the people's desire to cling together for a chance at personal
freedom, with the threats gone they don't need to hold on quite so hard. These were never powerhungry monsters, these were victims of oppression and abuse and violence that spent their entire lives trying to defend themselves and their homes so they could just be happy and free.
These are the measures Techno SHOULD have taken! These are the people he SHOULD have been protecting! If he stands by his ideology that governments are oppressive and hurt people and if he truly did want to protect people from that oppression then why DIDN'T he?!?
Why didn't his morals and principals and desire to take down oppressors kick in during the festival when he was ordered by a tyrant to kill a child and did it instead of standing up and protecting the victims of tyranny?!? Why didn't he take Wilbur down when he realized how full of greed envy Wilbur was and that he planned to hurt people?!? Why did he, multiple times, work with Dream, the epitome of government oppression on the server?!? Why is it that the only people Techno consistently targets are the VICTIMS of the actual governmental oppression that Techno largely ignores?!?
And THAT is exactly why you don't see Techno apologists going on and on about how unfair the election was because of Wilbur or how the presidency in L'manburg was set up to where despite people trying desperately to push back Schlatt could not be opposed legally or how Dream is literally the most horrifically oppressive tyrant who is a prime example of how governments can be extremely corrupt. You never see Techno apologists going on about any of these ACTUAL issues because when you talk about Wilbur and Schlatt and Dream a bit too in detail a little bit of focus ends up on who exactly their victims were and there doesn't seem to be a good explanation regarding Techno's extreme actions only extending to victims of governmental abuse often in only minor roles of power if even that out of necessity to protect against the real oppressors. Why Techno's extreme actions frequently involved working alongside these actual oppressive forces against a group of people who literally want to be left alone and are only part of/live under a government like the one they do because they're in constant danger and this is the only way to maybe protect yourself and others against someone like Dream.
Tommy, Tubbo, Quackity, Fundy, and Niki shouldn't have been Techno's enemies. They shouldn't have been his targets! THEY hate oppressive government just as much as he does! They don't want anything to do with this bullshit anymore than he does! The side you see Techno Apologists claim he's on is literally THEIR SIDE. If he truly believes what he says and wants to fight tyranny then these are his allies! These are the victims he's so invested in looking out for! And yet these are the people he's slaughtering and bombing and aiding in the oppression of!
Techno apologism, by its very nature, requires you to see these citizens of L'manburg as oppressive. Requires you to see at least Tommy and Quackity as powergrabbing foolish tyrants who care more about the government then people. I heavily suspect this is the primary reason most Techno apologists aren't keen on looking at actual examples of this government corruption Techno talks so much about.
I mean, if you bring up the election in too much detail as an example, stressful little details like Wilbur's voter fraud and the fact that Quackity's entire motive for ever running for an office was to prevent government corruption. Which is a sticky scenario because Techno helps Wilbur in the end and seriously hurt Quackity in specific a Lot throughout this arc. Techno apologism relies a biiitttt too much at speeding by Wilbur real quick and hoping nobody points out that Wilbur wasn't motivated by a desire to get rid of governments but rather by a sense of envy and entitlement that if he can't have it noone can as well as relying on the ability to swiftly and decisively assert Quackity's motives as powergrabbing from the election onwards. Examining the corruption in the election itself throws that off. A Lot. When you have to look head on at Wilbur's corruption the fact that his "If I can't have it noone can" thing was a corrupt government official hurting the people out of envy and pride, and Wilbur's main source of contention being Quackity very quickly comes into focus as everyone suddenly remembers that hey, wasn't Quackity the only one who didn't commit fraud, and didn't he run in the first place to fight government corruption? And then Techno's role in all of this looks significantly odder and less in line with the claims that he's heroically opposing corruption. Furthermore examining the power dynamics of the tyranny within Schlatt's reign, you see a president with too much power enabled by Wilbur's shotty election system and Dream's vocal support, something outwardly opposed by the people beneath them; Tommy, Tubbo, Niki, Fundy, Quackity, who are all hurt by this abuse of government power more than anybody else is. Similarly the exile decision. Examining Dream as a tyrant is in of itself a sore spot on account of Techno's fairly frequent alliances with him. But even worse is what happens when you acknowledge the extent of Tubbo's power as president and the idea that his decision is inherently more important than the feeling of his people who he hurt, which is a good point towards the corruption of the government, but intensely highlights Fundy and Quackity's responses as valid or even correct, something that Techno apologists really can't do for obvious reasons.
Techno's perspective and actually defending it relies heavily on the villainization of victims and the understatement of real sources of corruption. It's a trade off, it seems. There are many points that can be made to form a very strong case against the government dynamics on the smp, something that would do wonders in strengthening the Techno Apologist claim that Government Bad, Anarchy Right, however this comes at the tradeoff of making it clear that the oppressive government forces come from people like Dream or Wilbur and not people like Quackity or Tommy who are the victims of said oppressive government, something that you REALLY cannot afford to imply if you're trying to argue that Techno was right and was working from a desire to prevent oppression when he worked with Dream and Wilbur to hurt Quackity and Tommy. I doubt this is intentional obviously because who the fuck takes a stance in discourse that they Know For A Fact Is False, lol, but if you believe Techno's right then you also have to believe the people of L'manburg are power hungry or tyrannical which means doing these mental gymnastics often without realizing it.
So we see these debates stick to examples like The Butcher Army, things that are significantly flimsier but also aren't liable to literally cripple their claim if examined too closely.
But the truth continues to be that Techno has irreparably hurt and traumatized the victims of the very kind of governmental abuse that it's so often claimed he's protecting people from. When he should have been fighting people like Dream, Wilbur, and Schlatt, and helping the people of L'manburg recover and reform their community, he instead attacked and destroyed and killed these people, often fighting alongside real tyrants in doing so.
I mean, hell, if Techno really was super against oppressive governments and wanted to fight/destroy them and help the victims? He and Quackity would be best friends. Quackity stood up against Wilbur's corruption at every turn and was the first person to do so, and if Techno actually fought corruption half as much as he claims to, he would have been right there with Quack rather than colluding with Wilbur to destroy innocent people's land. During the festival execution Quackity was trying his absolute best to put a stop to it and even stood in the blast radius while doing so, if Techno had cared half as much as he claims he does about tyranny then he wouldn't have taken the fucking shot, not with Quackity in the line of fire, not at Tubbo to begin with. Quackity realized that they needed to shake Dream off once and for all or they'd never truly be free from abuse of power from those above them, and if Techno really truly had a vested interest in freeing victims from governments that hurt them then he would have been right there at Quackity's side throughout season two. And yet not once, through the two seasons I watched of screentime with them, not once was there a moment in which they were working towards the same thing. At the festival, Techno had the chance to run or refuse or realign his shot to take out Schlatt instead and very likely would have made it out alright, meanwhile Quackity was actively putting his life at risk by standing where he was and making the attempts he was to make Schlatt see reason even though Quackity was pretty much unarmed, had a rocket pointed near him, and his entire life was in L'manburg, it was Quackity who had more to lose and Techno who had the chance to run, and yet it was Quackity alone who stood against the orders of a tyrant and voiced that this shouldn't be happening, and it was Techno who took not only Quackity's life but the life of a child as well when he took the shot anyway. As soon as he'd joined Pogtopia, Quackity was opposing Wilbur, standing besides Tommy in the button room and putting his own life on the line as well while they tried desperately to convince Wilbur not to ruin innocent people's lives, and yet Techno not only never put himself at risk to stop Wilbur, he actively collaborated with Wilbur, with a corrupt politician, as he planned to selfishly steal the happiness of the people just because he lost his own power. That's not even to speak of Doomsday, in which Techno, with actual corrupt politicians all around him, aimed weapons of mass destruction towards their victims, towards Quackity and everyone he loved. And of course, Techno wasn't there to help fight Dream, the L'manburg cabinet even suspected he may help, he's meant to be against tyranny after all, but of course, Techno wasn't there, and in fact allied himself with Dream yet again throughout the season. If Techno ACTUALLY followed through with his supposed principals, the people of L'manburg would have loved him, especially Quackity, who is very much similar to what Techno claims to be (someone who's fierce in his defense against corruption and who will fight almost without fail for victims of oppression and against harmful systems even if he's not always particularly palatable and nice and malleable in his regard towards tyrants), and the fact that they specifically have been played against each other at literally every single turn to the point where Techno, after having associated himself with helping fuckers like Schlatt, Wilbur, or Dream for so long, joined them on Quackity's list of people who've treated him with injustice, hunted him down, hurt his friends, and needs to be repaid- oh huh sounds familiar. Like Quackity is in a lot of ways what Techno would be if his ideology actually lined up with the heroic freedom fighter against tyranny ideology that's subscribed to him way too often despite the fact that he's either so weirdly out of touch he completely misread ALL the dynamics on this server or he genuinely honest to god doesn't actually believe in or care about his whole I Fight The
Immorality Of Government Corruption thing.
Hell, beyond literally Quackity actually, just look to Puffy for the actually honest and good aligned alternatives for people who say they want to fiercely fight against corruption and actually do it.
Idk man, it's just weird to me. I didn't even plan the ending of this post like at all, the premise was just supposed to be pointing out the actual government corruption and asking why Techno Apologists weren't on that but then the whole 'okay but if you pay attention to all that then techno's literally been targeting the victims of the corruption he claims to hate instead of helping them fight it' realization hit and I was like, Yep, His Whole Anti Government Ideology Still Doesn't Check Out.
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some songs that remind me of people/moments of the dream smp along with explanations if they're related to lore B)
( c! = canon )
⚠︎︎ HUGE LORE SPOILERS AHEAD ⚠︎︎
ranboo -
cabinet man - lemon demon
quackity -
metamodernity - vansire
the sun - myd
c!quackity -
sex with a ghost - teddy hyde - ( getting over schlatt's abuse )
not allowed - TV girl - ( getting abused by schlatt during his term in office of l'manberg )
feeling good - michael buble - ( gaining power and confidence villain arc soon maybe hmm? )
c!tommy -
just take my wallet - jack stauber - ( losing his true friendship with c!tubbo to c!ranboo ) - p.s not slandering c!tubbo and c!ranboo i just feel that this song expresses tommy's feelings about it, not necessarily mine
i can't handle change - roar - ( cannot forget of how people used to be and of what dream had put him through )
two birds - regina spektor - ( the fall of his and c!tubbo's friendship )
blow my brains out - tikkle me - ( feeling misunderstood by everyone, that nobody understands why he acts the way he does )
mellohi - C418 - ( the disc war )
c!tubbo -
two birds - regina spektor - ( the fall of his and c!tommy's friendship )
tea errors - jack stauber - ( the joy of his and c!ranboo's platonic marriage )
cloud 9 - beach bunny - ( once again the joy of his and c!ranboo's platonic marriage omg my face is beaming it's so sweet )
c!ranboo -
brave as a noun - AJJ - ( as ranboo is a mediator, he doesn't seek conflict and is too scared to express his opinion on an argument and not stay on the neutral team )
tea errors - jack stauber - ( the joy of his and c!tubbo's platonic marriage )
cloud 9 - beach bunny - ( yes again the joy of his and c!tubbo's platonic marriage omg my face is beaming it's so sweet )
c!fundy -
ilomilo - billie eilish - ( fundy's feeling of abandonment during his lore stream where when he woke up, he spawned in a desert with the van )
stream the lovejoy EP and have a good day! 🌾
( part 2 maybe? )
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i found the page with all of schlatt’s aliases (the bolded ones are my favorites)
i’m so sorry
Schlatt
Jchlatt the Bi-Guy
My Drug Dealer
Schlagg
The Man of Steel
Logan from Big Time Rush
The PVP God
Schlatticus
Schlatticus Maximus
Jaylor Schwift
Jamaica Schlattville
Jay Scott
Big Hot Man
J Money
Jschlitt
Schlitt
Jshroud
JenocideSchlatt
Ladical
Parkinsons
NutSchlack
Schlurp
Jschlattos Basculus
Jslapmynuts
Work Guy
Wheels
Chrome Guy
Flying Man
Flight Man
Pence Man
Jack Frost
The Winner
Sun Rise Guy
Mr. Fortnite
Monitor Man
Mr. Goop
A p p l e man
Dropper Dude
Button Man
Ladder Man
Blades
Build Boy
Build Man
Build Bob
Mr Windex
Jstal
jschloot
Water Man
Mr SMP Live
King of Tekkit
Tekkit Man
GaySchlatt
Jschlong
The Cuck Shed Man
Jslat
Homewrecker
Jshmuck
Flap-Schlatt
The Lawnmower
Gay
Gayshat
The Parkour God
Funny Mic
The Parkour Prince
Mr Cobble
Schlett (British accent)
Mr Cobblestone
Eagle Eyes
Bladez
Breaker of Chains
Jesus H Christ
Gay Shart
The Bread Man
One half of the Hexxit Hebrew
Hackerman
Fifty Mick
Mr Minecraft
Mr Business
Greek Philosopher
Nice Catch 2
Twisty Neck
Sch
Slut
Gay Slut
Sack Schlatt
Sweatyballs
Wilbur's Pretty Princess
Wilbur Schlatt From Schlatt House
Bukowski
Islam
Nice Shot
Adolf Schlattler
Jason Schlatum
Mr Skid
Schlattdoesminecraft
Nacho Libre
SchlittleStick
FatSchlatt
JizzSlurp
Pokiman
JFK
Jacob Schlatt
Jgorsh
Nostalgia Critic
Cosby
Justin Trudeau
JMcChill
Schlattbama
Chuck
ProJschlatt
Joseph Stalin
Sea Cock
Schlattorious
Shlunk
Jamie Hyneman
Jefferey Epstein
Wilbur
Carson
Joko
Fitz
The Misschlatts
AntVenom
Technoblade
Alinity
ConnorEatsPants
ConarEatPant
Joebunga
Precum
Asianschlatt
Cumschlatt
Joe Jonas
Johnny Sins
Dad
Jay Hatt
Pewdiepie
Roll Man
Sea Salt
Semen
The Amazing Grapist
A Homo-Sexual
JUULSchlatt
2 Scoops
Smokestack
70 Nic (previously known as 50 Nic)
Jondar Shit
Wall Man
Mail Man
The Man with a Plan
Yes Papa
Furry
Jebediah
Jebediah Schlatt
Word Smith
Texas Instruments
Beethoven
Metronome
Colonel Sanders
Logan paul
JFLAT
JSOUP
No Plan Andy
Nice Catch
Yes
Jackie Robinson's Golden Boy
Wordsmith
Shit
Jshit
Jshat
Scat, Baby
Cat-Flap
VOICEOVERPETEACE
SwaggerSouls
James Charles
Schlonic the Hedgehog
Uh Oh
Noob Pooper
Terraria Man
Big Guy
New Guy
Counter Strike Man
Mr. Moustache Man
Mr. Rabbid
The Age of Empires
Jschalf
Man
Hot Gay Man
Sinus Infection
One Tablet Twice a Day
Hospital
Little girl
Your Man
POOPOOMAN
Dan Schneider
Jschlutt
The Sword Man
Jonathan Schlatt
Tiny Dick Man
Tiny Dick Boy
Nintey Thousand Dollars In Debt
The Horned Cuck
SheepBitch
WilberSoot
Traves
God
Mr Health and Safety
Jeff Bezos
El Presidente
Man of Steel
The Inventor of Loud = Funny
Secretary of Steel
Bilingual
Jimmy Neutron
Magic Fingers
Two in a Row
Two Piece
Floyd Mayweather
Addict
Dyin' Bryan
Mr. 8 Ball
Double Time
Doctor Shakey Jones
Shakey Bones
Shakey
Issac Newton
the Pool Boy
House Man
The Man Behind The Slaughter
Sword Man
The Fruit Ninja
Master Oogway
Gayass
Tony Hawk
The Hole In One Man
Larry the Lobster
Pablo Picasso
Power Plant
Power Point
Mr. Minecraft
Mr. Serotonin
Mr. Twitch
The Blade Runner
Lightning McQueen
Gongaga
Misfits
The Ebay Man
an eboy
Hook Line and Sinker
The Fisherman
The Hook Man
The Pacifier (starring Vin Diesel)
Renaissance Man
Inspector Gadget
Katniss Everdeen
Balls of Fury
The Night Owl
The North Tower
WordHunt
Luigi
Beyblade
Mr.Mutton Chops
Captain Price
The Deity
The Curator
The Steel Toe
The Foot Man
The Shit and Cum Man
Warrior
The God of Yoga
The Human Hula Hoop
The God of Wii Fit
Scott Slanders
'J for Joe Rogan' Schlatt
Mr Hands
Misfits Schlatt
Dick and Balls Man
SpaceX
Spitshine
Ricardo
S c h l a t t
Swiss Army Knife
Rbx
Scat Man
Manny from Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs (so true)
Nice Catch
Gerund Gerald
The Rollercoaster Man
Mr. Cock and Penis
JFK (The J stands for Jschlatt)
The Hooker
Sunrise Guy
The Cat Whisperer
Trump
The Dicktator
The President o7
White boy
Gay boy
Flat
JFK’s Sister
Piss Boy
Bill Boy
Jerk Off
Thee Dick Cock Sucking Lover Boy
Thee Dick Cock Sucking Lover Man
Sunrise man
GaySchlatt
Mr. President
Jebediah Schlatt
Cripple
Bisexual
rammy (bad, very bad)
Hot
Schlattina
rort
me
verified guy
unverified guy
Jschlatt le stroke
Locker room dick sucker
Everyone’s fave white boy
Mr i hide in drug vans
Drunkschlatt
goatschlatt
the official goat
unverified goat man
verified goat man
goaty
supreme drug overlord
depressed </3
upload on theweeklyslap you cunt
cotton looking ass drug dealer
man in my window
cardiac arrest
foot cream lickere
hot garbage on my ceiling
the
inbred missisipi schlatt
Darth Schlagg
Schluddle
Relief
Schlurt
Schlong
#i copied and pasted this directly from the lunch club wiki so#jschlatt#schlatt#lunch club#dream smp#mcyt
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"history repeats itself"
Something people on the dream smp know all too well. With the rule of two instead of three after events happen. With Las Navadas being the new l'manburg and Quackity becoming the next Dream being some of the most recent examples of this.
The fandom is filled with people referencing and making predictions based on things that repeat itself, sometimes even going as far back as tales from the smp. But something I don't think anyone pointed out, was that Tommy's exile was history repeating Tubbo's execution.
Hear me out here for a second. Dream takes the place of Schlatt in this instance, with Tubbo replacing technoblade and tommy replacing tubbo. "A person carrying out a terrible deed onto another person because they were pressured into it by a higher power" can technically describe both situations.
(This post gets long, so if you want more details, it's below the cut)
Tubbo exiled Tommy under dream's orders because he didn't want to put l'manburg at risk. Technoblade killed tubbo under JSchlatt's orders because he didn't want to put Pogtopia at risk. It's the same situation, but in different fonts.
Sure, people might say being exiled isn't as bad as losing a cannon life, but if you look at what tommy went through, I bet there's an argument out there saying that exile was worse. Even if Tubbo didn't know what he was doing to Tommy, everyone agrees that it's bad to exile people from places without good reason. Tubbo's reason though, was "I was pressured by Dream to keep L'manburg safe." Which is the same as Techno's reason, with just a few more words.
At the end of all this, I just wanted to point it out. I'm no theorist of the dream smp, but I just thought it was interesting. And I also find it interesting that Tommy is willing to forgive tubbo for what he did to him, but not techno. The guy who literally took him in, and gave him a bit of shelter from dream in the last bit of the exile.
"You followed what the government told you to do. That makes you as bad as the government Technoblade." Words from tommyinnit during his talk with techno at doomsday. By the same logic though, would that make tubbo as bad as dream? Obviously, no. Tubbo is not as bad as dream, that's just a stretch. But that just means techno isn't as bad as Jschlatt either.
All the characters are on a gray scale. None are truly black or white, but some of them are darker then others. I just want people to consider this, "coincidence" if you want to call it that, cause I think it's something interesting.
Sorry for the bit of c!tommy slander at the end. He's just not my cup of tea, and I'm definitely more on dream/techno's side, rather then l'manburgs. Anyway, remember your food, water and meds, and have a great day!
#Dream smp#Dreamsmp#dream smp#dreamsmp#dsmp#dsmp technoblade#dsmp techno#dsmp tubbo#dsmp tommy#dream smp techno#dream smp technoblade#dream smp tubbo#dream smp tommy
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