"if we make america worse and more of a dictatorship that will be even harder to unravel and make it the way we want the country to be, maybe then everyone will join our Glorious Revolution!" bb girl you cant even be in the same room with someone who thinks you should vote, how in tf do you think you're gonna unite people to fight in The Revolution with you? it's gonna be you and your 5 friends, i hate to break it to you.

if you're willing, would you mind sharing more of your thoughts on mia/jason? B/c i personally can't see mia wanting anything to do with him (based on the green arrow arc), but i am open to having my mind changed if you have a case for it

sure!

I'll preface this by saying that although I ship them, I don't have A Plot for them yet, the way I do for other of my jason rareships, and thus I have yet to ~envision how I'd personally have it go down. but these are my thoughts on them at the moment.

first of all... the green arrow arc isn't this HORRIBLE, TEERRIBLE, AWFUL thing that happened to mia, or this irredeemable evil jason did, and I'm always baffled whenever I see it talked about that way. like. mia is not a normie kid living her normie life in a slice-of-life teen story. she's a freaking SUPERHERO that risks her freaking LIFE on the regular. jason is this dude one, maybe two years older than her that didn't even want to seriously harm her.

she obviously wouldn't walk out of that encounter with kind thoughts about him. he was an asshole! he wanted to scare her! (and he had a GOAL re: sidekicks and the danger they're exposed to and a point to prove about it, which I always feel is handwaved). but like, jason is not a static character, or not doomed to be at least. he'd have to sincerely apologise, saying that yeah, he was a shit, that was a shitty thing to do, he was projecting some stuff on hers and ollie's relationship that wasn't even true and he's ready to compensate her for it. and again, these are... not normal people. like sorry but I just don't think what jason did in that arc garrants an eternity of hate and enmity to them.

and obviously not hating him forever/seeing his actions for what they were and not more/being able to forgive them in the face of a sincere apology and amendments isn't the same as actually seeing jason as a romantic prospect! but it's a first step into a less than hostile dynamic.

and within that context, I could see mia thinking back on some of the things jason said in their confrontation, about them being alike (also, winick wasn't been subtle in his parallels here, but I've seen people being VERY obtuse about this part of the scene añsldkf). I haven't read mia in a team context/with lots of peers her age yet, but even if she's more likely to find people with commonalities/messed up childhoods among child heroes, common ground is still something to be curious about, to bond over. and such very specific common ground would be something I think she'd value.

I haven't reached that arc yet, but I know mia has also killed, once, in circumstances where she thought she had no other choice. and she doesn't want to do that anymore, she wants to be a hero and stay on the path and raise above. those are things that I find interesting in conjunction to a dynamic with jason, in particular. the way it would lead both to conflict and to a different level of understanding.

also, there's always this sense in posts against these ships where I feel like... mia doesn't have to be perfect. she can be messy and make questionable romantic choices and maybe they pan out or maybe they don't, but it could be something actually fun to explore with her character, to see her in a context like that. less in the "bad boy attraction" sense because really, past aesthetics jason does not fit that role in a romantic sense, but as in getting to explore other sides of her character through a romantic relationship, especially as a character with both a history of sexual abuse and with HIV. and I'm sure there are other candidates for that, both canon and fanon, but it just happens that the first thing I read with her was the Jason Being A Menace arc and that I looooove a meet ugly, especially if it comes with a "recognition through the other (derogatory)" bonus.

anyway. I'm not trying to convince anyone because I'm perfectly happy in my rowboat-sized ships and it's nothing to me if other people disagree or judge me for them lol, but thanks for the chance to talk about them a bit!

twitter is such an odd place.

it's designed to promote short, snappy statements which will cause an immediate, emotional reaction. So it makes sense that it has a culture entirely devoid of nuance. You can't casually dislike something, you have to hate it. You have to take a stance and say why that thing is Bad, preferably in less than 280 characters.

The idea of just Not Caring is entirely alien to people who spend their days seeing inflammatory tweets about why Thing is evil and bad, or why Other Thing is the best thing ever and if you disagree, you are bad.

A good example is /r c!beeduo. People either hate it with a burning passion, and rant on and on about why it's Evil and the Worst Thing Ever, or they love it. The stance of "It's not for me personally, but I don't really care if people like it as long as they aren't breaking cc boundaries" is just. non-existant.

Yes, some people make it weird. Guess what? There are people like that for every single part of a fandom. Just ignore those people. You won't convince them with moral arguments when they Know and don't Care.

But people who just? make completely SFW content about a canonically married couple? and truly care about respecting boundaries, but have slightly different interpretations of the ambiguous guidelines set by the CCs? They aren't. Automatically horrible people. They just have a different opinion. And there are compelling arguments on both sides, but the weird thing is the fact that there Are Sides. And people get really fucking angry.

Because you can't have a civil debate on twitter. No, you have to defend your position. Because being wrong, or admitting that you made a mistake, is completely out of the question. That admission will follow you forever. God-forbid you set an example of humility and honesty by acknowledging your own shortcomings. That's not what you're supposed to do on opinions.com. No, you're supposed to Win.

What an odd culture to constantly immerse yourself in. It's like a slightly-fucked-up social experiment. That might make a really big impact on how a Lot of teens interpret the world. yikes

it is your side that has been crosstagging for years now and posting negative, offensive, and frankly disgusting content. even when people tag posts with "anti sansa stark" your side comes seething out like jobless harpies to attack the person and call them names such as "stupid sluts/bitches" and this is without mentioning all the buzzwords your insensivitive asses ascribe to people who disagree with your nonsensical headcanons and misogynistic theories. stay in your lane, stop offending people by posting anti content in the "asoiaf" tag to circumvent the specific character tag so you can claim that you're innocent and we would have no problem. better yet, stop harrassing individuals, and kindly fuck off to your regressive circle of dumbasses <3 instead of wondering why your friends have to resort to changing the text from the books to supplement your poor excuse of "metas" you are all crying about how a fictional character, sansa stark, is driving people crazy. newsflash your ignorant fuck: nobody cares about your fave so much as the behaviour you people, her fans, have been showing for the longest while now.

Do you really think you’re in the position to lecture me about tumblr etiquette? Because it’s impossible for you to make me feel bad about other people’s behavior while you’re behaving this way. Like, let’s just sit here and think how funny it is that you’re complaining to me about the proper use of tags in a hateful anonymous message. Come on, that is really funny!

Actually, let’s just pause and think about how your anon hate undermines your argument, not only for that reason but also because my asks are not usually tagged with any of the main tags, so I know you’re following me (or my mutuals who reblog my stuff) which means you’re just camped out on our blogs for the sole purpose of making a nuisance of yourself. And while you’re doing that, you think you can convince me that we’re the ones creating drama.

Personally, I don’t like the insults you mentioned, so I know I haven’t used them in reference to characters and certainly not in reference to other fans, and I’m not responsible for other people’s choices or behavior, and I certainly can’t dictate what they say, so I’m not even sure what your goal is. I mean, you expressed your rage (yay!), but technically, as long as we’re keeping stuff on our own blogs or using the anti tag, we’re following tumblr etiquette no matter what horrible names we call the rest of the fandom. You’re the one engaging in targeted harassment. Oops! 😆

Speaking of tags, it sounds like you’re confused about how people use the tags? Everything ASOIAF related is allowed in that main tag. If it is “anti” a character or ship, it should also be tagged “anti (insert character or ship)” so people’s filters prevent them from seeing it, but it isn’t the case that people aren’t allowed to post negative content there. That isn’t some scheme to “circumvent” anything, it’s how all sides of the fandom have used the tags for as long as I’ve been active. Now you can even filter the content of the post, so it’s up to you to turn the filters on.

Lastly, that claim that “nobody cares about my fave” uh, y’all do. That’s why yesterday and today Sansa fans have been getting anon hate. You’re obsessed with her. Instead of blocking me and others in my fandom, instead of filtering tags to avoid our offensive takes, you’re here, reading our stuff and choosing to interact with us. I can only assume y’all care, and that you care a lot. One day, when you truly don’t care about our opinion, when you’re over worrying that we’re right about Sansa and her endgame, you’ll stop reading our stuff. If you truly didn’t care, you’d leave us alone. How do I know? I block y’all. I go through the anti Sansa tag and block all of you because I truly don’t give a fuck. Try it. You’ll be happier for it, I promise.

Wow, absolutely disappointed. Art is not separated from the author. Subconscious bias bleeds into what we create. And anyway in her case it's not even hidden. It's not even good universe to begin with, considering the slavery, Jewish stereotypes, racism, etc. It's not worth fighting for.

But even if it was a good universe with a few flaws, it's basic compassion to not promote her work. JK feels empowered by her followers. She wouldn't have written that recent horrible trans book otherwise. Meanwhile, everyone else she's passionately against hurt for simply existing

It doesn't matter if you're a casual fan or an extreme follower, support is support.

Yes the books/movies can be dear to you, nostalgia or not. No one can take that away from you. But it's not the only media that exists out there. "But everything is flawed" nothing is perfect indeed, but there's a difference in degree. Her work is riddled with her hate.

It's compassion for fellow humans, as simple as that.

Sorry for disappointing you, but having such a narrow framework for acceptability is going to make you isolated and lead to much future disappointment.

Art is purely down to what the individual gets out of it. The creators intention is just about never what the viewer gets from the artwork. Bias DOES bleed into work, you are correct, but does that mean that the viewer shares the biased views? It is so crucial to point them out, yes, to notice their presence and consciously disagree with them. I don’t think I’ve ever met a person who likes the house elf narrative…

But you misunderstand me. I’m not promoting her work. I said, clearly, I don’t support her and I don’t agree with her ideology. Like I said, I’m on your side. I agree with what you’re saying. But to demonise anyone who even mentions they like Harry Potter? Especially outside of the internet/tumblr space? It’s unhelpful and haughty.

Educate, don’t belittle. People don’t exist to echo your every belief, and challenging your beliefs is not only healthy but necessary. You need to justify why exactly you believe what you believe, and explain why many other people should care as well.

If you refuse yourself the right to admit you’ve ever enjoyed/still enjoy something problematic then you’re lying to yourself. People should never strive for perfection because it is unobtainable. Other works exist, until what? Those authors say something controversial? Then those will be black listed just as easily.

I wonder if you have read or engaged much beyond what fits within your own beliefs. It sounds cliche, but yes. Literally every single work that has ever existed will be affected by some type of problematic bias and it is up to the reader/viewer to decide if they agree with it. To erase something because it doesn’t align with your views and demonise others for reading it eliminates the opportunity for what could have been an educational stepping stone.

I am supporting the importance of engaging with problematic literature, not promoting its author. And I am trying to help people on “my side” understand that demonising others for what many consider to be an innocuous interest will do nothing to help their message reach a wider audience, and will isolate them further.

Your message is correct, and it is important. Your manner of conveying it is just as important, however. You don’t need to convince people that already agree with you to agree with you in a specific way. You need to convince people who don’t know any better or don’t care. being condescending, haughty, and unclear about your point will not convince anyone.