#viewfinder manga | Explore Tumblr Posts and Blogs

kimdokja-real · 8 months

Text

Explaining JoongDok and the other pairings

For DokJoong fans. This is in relation to my recent post replying an ask on why it's always the 'boy king' type being bottom.

Why, it's because it's a stereotype, and I talked about JoongDok being similar to a pairing Shizaya, people probably don't know what Shizaya is, so I decided to make this post to show the pairing. So people know what I'm talking about

Dokjoong fans, have this post for why JoongDok is so popular. Maybe knowing why, we can accept it better...

So I understand JoongDok because JoongDok really reminds me of this pairing I shipped, Shizaya. Picture above, left is Shizuo, the top, right is Izaya, the bottom.

These two really have the kind of chemistry that when you just see them together, you feel like shipping them together if you're a BL fan, kind of like JoongDok.

Izaya is similar to Kim Dokja, he's a mastermind, he deals with information, he's an information broker (like Kim Dokja relies and uses information from Ways of Survival), he does not get along with people well even though he claims to love humans. Shizuo is about the only person who's somewhat special to him (like Yoo Joonghyuk for Kim Dokja) but whom he fights a lot with (again, like Kim Dokja arguing and fighting with Yoo Joonghyuk). He has a slender body but knows how to fight (He can survive against Shizuo and be a match against him when Shizuo is damn strong). He's 175cm.

Shizuo is also like Yoo Joonghyuk, he's tall 185cm, he's a rough man but has a soft spot for those he cares about, and he has superhuman strength (how Yoo Joonghyuk is physically very strong). He doesn't care about most people, but it's Izaya who sets him off with his taunts and fighting him (How Yoo Joonghyuk is set off by Kim Dokja's words and taunts), he gets angry because of that. And he yells 'Izaya!' like Yoo Joonghyuk calls 'Kim Dokja!'.

And as you can see from the first picture, 'This is a story of twisted love' they have the in canon BL implication, like Kim Dokja's, 'Incarnation Kim Dokja will be killed by the one he loves the most'.

So they really are quite similar, and this is just an example of a Tall Cold Rough Man x Shorter Sly Intelligent Man

It's an easy dynamic to ship, and I believe that's why JoongDok is so popular, like Shizaya was.

Izaya also has the lonely nature like Kim Dokja, he doesn't have trauma but didn't have his parents around when he was young and he claims to love humans but he's always alone and of course he's intelligent as an information broker.

Shizuo is also actually intelligent and sharp (like Yoo Joonghyuk), but it's not one of his outward traits, he's more known as rough and violent (like Yoo Joonghyuk or at least how Kim Dokja describes him) and so people easily take him to be the Top in the relationship. Like Yoo Joonghyuk.

And just like JoongDok, they even have an in canon BL fangirl!

This girl Karisawa Erika is just an otaku at first but like Uriel, she is actually dangerous inside. She's kind of cold like Uriel can actually be and a sort of sadist. So this is the...in canon BL fangirl but serious character like for JoongDok.

ONLY in ORV, for Uriel, she actually shipped DokJoong first, thinking Kim Dokja is Top. Sadly JoongDok fans don't acknowledge this.

And yeah there's even a in canon 'You must be in love with him.' moment 'And that's why you did all that'.

Like Kim Dokja's, 'Killed by the person he loves the most' moment with Yoo Joonghyuk.

Yeha see the big LOVE sign behind Izaya.

This pairing is so popular like JoongDok even people who don't know the anime can know about the pairing

youtube

Because people create this kind of content for it.

It's like how ORV was thought to be a BL because of JoongDok. Durarara was also thought to be a BL because of Shizaya.

Yeah and Izaya and Kim Dokja have the same shit eating smile

Like the messing with people smile. I believe they're both ENTP. (But Izaya is bottom, Kim Dokja is top, for their respective relationships)

And Izaya is a very popular character like Kim Dokja. I found this randomly.

Yeah you can even see that Izaya is pictured with a small waist like Kim Dokja, with Shizuo's waist being bigger than his. They even have similar hairstyles! And the canon fanservice.

The angry man vs the calmer man.

And genderbend

For fandom, Shizaya has this

Using the smaller guy, with the smaller guy accepting it because he loves the bigger guy so much, or he's weaker somehow, is basically JoongDok porn. Yoo Joonghyuk also turns a bit evil in some JoongDok which is so OOC for him, since Kim Dokja said he's a man nobler in heart than anyone else.

I could have used a better image it kind of looks like rape but I'm lazy, like I don't mean rape but I don't know, rough sex with cold rough top.

Here are some comparisons (JoongDok images ahead warning to DokJoong fans, it's for comparison)

The looking cute trapped bottom

The undressing and embarrassed bottom

The emotional hug/kiss

The bottom thinking 'his kiss is too much I can't stand it I'm weak' complete with blushing

And lastly, the possessive top

Yeah coincidentally their eyes look the same.

Oh and oops the smaller guy 'taking charge' power bottom image

This is to show Cold Rough Top x Sly Intelligent Bottom is just a yaoi trope, for JoongDok. It hardly has anything to do with their characters at all.

Two different media, two different characters, four different characters but the way they are seen is the same, because they both have the stereotype of Cold Rough Top x Sly Intelligent Bottom.

Or Cold Rough Top x Cool Intelligent Bottom. Well, being sly is kind of like being cool.

The fanart is appealing, it's simple and catches attention, it has yaoi tropes, and is easy for BL fans or yaoi fans to like.

So JoongDok is the expression of the Cold Rough Top x Sly Intelligent Bottom yaoi stereotype or the Cold Rough Top x Cool Intelligent Bottom or even Cold Rough Top x Confident Intelligent Bottom. When you see images in yaoi form, the fics you write tend to be like those images as well. For JoongDok and Shizaya.

The most accurate description of the trope would be Cold Rough Emotional Top x Sly Intelligent Cool Bottom.

Like if a male character is very cool and capable also with slyness or confidence, all the more fans want to see him flustered in a yaoi pairing with a guy he cares about a lot, a blushing easily embarrassed bottom, because he's usually so confident and cool so fans want to see him vulnerable, that's what happened to Kim Dokja.

And like just, losing himself in pleasure or losing control since he's so in control in canon all the time, fans tend to want to see the opposite, the cool male character with intelligence losing himself.

The more independent, cool and confident a male character is, the more fans want to see him flustered and blushing and weak in a yaoi pairing with a guy he cares about. Like, more independent = more bottom. We can see this with Kim Dokja and Izaya.

If you wanna know where it comes from, it's from the early yaoi manga Finder or Viewfinder.

I'm not going to link to Shizaya yaoi fics and JoongDok yaoi fics because that would be too much, but trust me, it's very similar, JoongDok fics to Shizaya. Yaoi, angst, quarrelling, porn. Touching moments, emotional scenes, some fluff, embarrassed bottom, possessive top, smug top and even more embarrassed bottom, 'cute stuff', taking care of bottom top, sex god confident top and 'reluctant' bottom or tearful bottom, rough sex, etc.

Perhaps there are JoongDok fics which really care about Kim Dokja's character and care about Yoo Joonghyuk, but the majority is just yaoi and angst. Those fics get lost in the majority. Er I haven't spoken about angst for Shizaya, but you can imagine. Two enemies getting together, both troubled. And Izaya angst, you can just imagine too.

When in reality Izaya is like this

And Kim Dokja is like this

Neither of them are feminine bottom boys in canon.

Kim Dokja is a steady man. He stands like a man, faces constellations like a man, also faces Yoo Joonghyuk like a man (okay in denial man for that one), goes through the whole damn apocalypse with his plans like a man. I seriously don't see any of the feminineness in canon Kim Dokja that fanon Kim Dokja has.

In fact Yoo Joonghyuk has more feminineness in canon. He's tsundere, he denies his emotions like a woman, has the female form which Kim Dokja subtly lusts over (he called her eyes sultry, that implies sex), and is the one paid attention to and protected by Kim Dokja. He's a man too of course but he's a tired man, yeah the regressions.

So what do we do?

The yaoi stereotypes of JoongDok is already there in the fandom like for other fandoms with Cold Rough Top and Sly Intelligent Bottom, like for Shizaya, Durarara, the example I gave. Can't do anything about that.

Guys, we just need to create more content. We need to create more content for Dokjoong.

Don't be hesitant or think it's not good enough or something...just create content! Just Post!

I think this fandom is scared. This is just my opinion...I don't know how to express it, but I think this fandom is scared of breaking the status quo.

As if to write Dokjoong seriously is a sin.

I don't know if my work encourages people. I hope it does. To write Dokjoong

By the way guys check out Durarara if you're looking for a good anime or a good story. It's worth watching. And like ORV, has strong female characters with very individual personalities. And yeah BL shipping too (it would be like shipping JoongDok though lol you have to read the light novels if you really wanna know their personalities, okay just kidding, Izaya is a villain, Kim Dokja is a good guy, there are differences).

Okay I'm gonna end this post with ChildeZhongli (cause I keep on talking about it)

Childe

Zhongli

And that's it. The fanart is very nice but I've reached the maximum image number for this post so I can't show it. You can just google if you're interested. You can just imagine ChildeZhongli or ZhongliChilde by their looks. So to recap, Zhongli as the bottom (Zhongli is the cooler looking guy) was much more popular than Childe as the bottom (Childe is the lackadaisical friendly looking guy) for a long while (kind of like Kim Dokja, people wanted to see a cool in control guy in canon get flustered) until somehow a little bottom Childe became super bottom Childe and became more popular than Zhongli as the bottom, I think cause Childe's character showed up a lot in the game Genshin Impact and people began to like him more, and also because people kept on creating content for bottom Childe so let's create content for bottom Yoo Joonghyuk!

This is what the two guys of the pairing I kept on talking about look like. And with that I end this post.