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stuff-and-such-art · 6 months
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NEW CHAPTER NERDS check it out!!! @esperanzagalaxy throwing some serious punches with some emotional development for these beloved characters 😭 Here’s some propaganda- i mean art, fanart- for eots. Enjoy Zolf’s dusty studio, map, me also falling in love with zolf at the mention of having seconds prepared, Hamid’s handkerchief attack, and the nerds peeping on their friends 🥰
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lolotr · 2 years
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There's not enough grizzop/veseek fic. However much there is, it isn't enough
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moofbat · 2 years
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Since it's pride month, can I ask for rqg characters in drag? I would love it if you'd do Zolf or Wilde but honestly I'll take any character :)
veseek, skraak, wilde and sasha!!! i had a lot of fun w these outfits :] also spot which of these wasn’t done at the same time as the rest of them LMAO
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ID: one waist up and three full body drawings of rqg characters in drag, split across two canvases. from left to right they are veseek, skraak, wilde and sasha.
vesseek is a thin but widely built green goblin with floppy, hairy ears holding a large sword by their side. they are in a dark red leather outfit, consisting of a tight bralette style stop that is attached by metal rings to slightly low waisted flared trousers that have laced panels at the sides of the thighs, they have above the elbow gloves in a matching material. they are also wearing brown, pointed toe boots with a slight heel. there are chains connected to two small metal rings on their chest that hang gently over the top.
skraak is a stocky red kobold with a pointed head that has two small golden horns coming off of it, and two fangs coming out the front of their mouth. he is in an open chested, loose and flowing green dress with sleeves that hit the floor, which has a dark turquoise lining. there is a studded gold belt around their waist and his nails are painted purple. he is barefoot and his tail can be seen on the floor through a slit in the thigh of the dress.
wilde is a broad white man wearing large fake breasts in a red, figure hugging fishtail gown with puffy teal sleeves made of a silky material and an extremely tall blue collar that fans out behind his head. he also has a deep purple cloak behind him and a bright pink curled wig that sits around his shoulders. on the dress there are golden peacock feathers with teal eyes. the puffy sleeves also have a tight golden hem.
sasha is viewed from the waist up, she is a thin white woman with short black hair that is slicked and styled back. she is wearing a purple cropped shirt with a short waistcoat over it and dark blue trousers. her face is painted white, contoured in grey with pronounced cheekbones and a defined bridge of her nose. she is holding a skull in her right hand which she is facing and talking to. she has hairy arms and a thin moustache painted above her lip. end ID.
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scrambled-eggsed · 2 years
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This is like. The one thing i processed from this episode
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radiantmists · 3 years
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And there it is.
Lost in some hellish in-between plane isnt quite how I expected them to go, especially given the whole "paladin's sacrifice" thing, but it sounds like a pretty awful way to end up. Especially because I'm a bit dubious as to whether you would actually die from this or just be in unspeakable, literally incomprehensible agony for eternity.
(Also, gotta feel bad for Eldarion, who really thought she was saving Sasha and didnt quite manage it.)
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fairy-princette · 4 years
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RQG Aesthetic || Grizzop Drik Acht Amsterdam || Ben Meredith
ID: 6 images in a 2x3 grid. 1 - A full moon fills about two thirds of the image, illuminating the clouds in front of it. 2 - The roof line of an a street in Amsterdam in the evening. The bulidings are dark with white rimmed windows, many of which have the lights on or are reflecting the sunset. There is a bare tree on the left. 3 - A quiver of arrows lies in the grass. A bow with some engraving down the side lies on top. 4 - A quote reading ‘If karma doesn’t hit you, I fucking will’. 5 - The silhouette of archer with a bow knocked is stepping out the mist. 6 - A forest of trees on a steep slope with sunlight dappling through them.
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hory-pole-blesky · 2 years
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Fun facts with RQG!
Zolf has zero idea who Ed, Emeka or Veseek are!
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evieebun125 · 2 years
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If you’re still taking rqg prompts
Either grizzop with his kids and veseek (I’m weak for the goblin family) or azu and her marbles (bonus if it features Hamid!)
thanks for your patience! i 100% used @crayonturtle's gobbo family for this
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attystark · 3 years
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I know that given Pathfinder rules and even RQG cannon this probably doesn’t work but concept: Channel Positive Energy smelling like a thing the person cares about/ will bring them comfort:
Wilde in Japan wondering why he never smells anything when Zolf hears him until someone else does and he realises that it’s Zolf he’s been smelling this entire time.
Cel always smelling their lab back in Japan whenever they need healing and the resulting burst of home-sicknesses.
Zolf smells the ocean until he looses faith, then it’s London or his team or even just Wilde.
Azu smells Grizzop or Sasha after they get back from Rome, before that was her village and later it’s Kiko.
Sasha in Rome getting the briefest scent of her friends and her home in the future whenever she gets healed and misses them more than normal.
Grizzop always smells Veseek and their Clutch.
Hamid smells Cairo and the Tahan estate at first, then it changes seemingly randomly: the scent from the airship, Azu’s perfume or the leather of Sasha’s jacket, the first time he is healed he smells the ocean and nearly cries, after loosing his sister it’s her favourite perfume for a while. Skraak doesn’t smell anything until the airship, since travelling then was still the closest they ever felt to feeling safe and free so after that they always smell the engine rooms.
Bertie doesn’t smell anything because he doesn’t feel anything. Alex gets the Player’s and listener’s tears.
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incorrect-rqg · 3 years
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List of my favourite galaxy brain RQG headcanons I've seen floating around Tumblr, Discord and Ao3. Lots of these are Zoscar but too bad suck it up /lh
Skraak/Hamid QPR
Oscar calling Zolf 'Darling'
Fluffy Veseek (is this canon? I don't think so but I forget)
Lord Alfred Douglas was the one who gave Wilde his scar
Cel just gives their friends drugs whenever it's convenient
Ed/Tjelvar
TRANS HAMID
Complete Bertie erasure from the LOLOMG. We don't know him here. He doesn't count.
Wilde cuddles like an octopus
Grizzop's ears flatten like a cat whenever he's upset
AroAllo Wilde/AceAllo Zolf
Zolf braiding Wilde's hair in the traditional Dwarven styles
Sasha kept one of Grizzop's earrings after he died and she wears it to remember him
Additions are welcome :)
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saltqueer · 2 years
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Predictably, RQG for the blorbo etc ask game!
blorbo (favorite character, character I think about the most): Cel 100% I love them SO MUCH
scrunkly (my “baby”, character that gives me cuteness aggression, character that is So Shaped): probably all the kobolds? I don't really experience cuteness aggression but I do think they're the cutest
scrimblo bimblo (underrated/underappreciated fave): not sure on this one. my favorite character the fandom never talks about is that one goblin who gave Sasha the adamantine dagger, because they refer to nobody having Q or Z as names, and I have a Q first name while my brother has a Z one. but I don't really think of them as underrated
glup shitto (obscure fave, character that can appear in the background for 0.2 seconds and I won’t shut up about it for a week): Veseek Veseek Veseek Veseek Veseek Veseek Veseek Veseek
poor little meow meow (“problematic”/unpopular/controversial/otherwise pathetic fave): again not sure on this one. I don't tend to feel this way about characters. Grizzop to some extent I suppose bc he's an asshole but he's not unpopular or anything
horse plinko (character I would torment for fun, for whatever reason): again I don't really feel this way towards characters. Bertie maybe? I do read Wilde whump sometimes?
eeby deeby (character I would send to superhell): look. thank you Eldarion for helping the party get in and out of the Hades plane but fuck you so so so so much for how you treat(ed) Sasha
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shy-magpie · 4 years
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RQG 152
Poor Alex, there was no way to know and changing the story would be more of a breach of the implied contract than going forward. Plus side this warning implies we'll get more info on how the biology of the infection works before RSB actually explodes. To be clear I am all for warnings, I just imagine this was one heck of an awkward position for Alex & co to find themselves in. Well one would think they wanted to get through the intros as fast as physically possible! Seriously bless em for sticking with the structure instead of saying screw it and diving right in. Must be frustrating but it really helps me get in the right space to listen. Yeah it was a bit of an altruism run. That Ben physically ill at the prospect of characters talking? Yuck it up, I was specifically promised three (3) distinct topics would be addressed including both coping mechanisms and back stories. Poor Azu. If someone doesn't hold her while she has a proper cry I will be an unhappy Magpie. Are the new kids going to be invited to the conversations that are totally for sure not going to be put off for a month? Retcon: Barnes and Carter actually fought well it. I guess they were just down to the tricky ones. Theatrical much? Cel is great, have I said that enough? Well obviously not it should be declared at least hourly: "2 o' clock and Cel is great". But right after last episode instead of backing down (and IDK implying Wilde told the new kids their pronouns), Cel is immediately introducing themself with them and emphasizing their importance. Hamid right in there with the leadership, telling the duo that the party needs to go into isolation. I know having Zolf around must have took some weight off his shoulders but the man has grown since season one or even since Prague. He didn't lose that just because he cheers up when not solely responsible for leading the party. Note there is a messy negotiation with Zolf about who is in charge coming up and it is a mark of my trust in this show that I'm not dreading it. Am curious if it will be explicit enough for the white picket fence kids to pick up on, I know I have a thing about rank but some people seem to miss that aspect entirely. OK point Zolf but even with his charisma score there has to be a better way to put it than "do that and you are responsible for infecting Jasper and the village". Wow I guess that is the case isn't it. Thank you leader!Hamid coming in again. Getting Cel the kind of updates on home Hamid was denied in quarantine is fairly low risk for great gains in Cel's comfort with the whole thing. Point of clarity: as much as I hate to admit it, once the quarantine began they couldn't really keep Hamid in the loop since Ishaq was in the care of the Harlequins. Its been implied even without simply escaping an infected person could have means of communication that work in am anti magic cell. The village however is public info. Zolf, I want that again in small words! Are we talking black death or infrastructure problems? Because a few targeted infections could take out the government but not directly kill the citizens. Cel is doing the forced cheer again. What the hell have they been through that they default to words of affirmation for gory violence? Like most characters acknowledge the gore or that it was helpful, not both. Barnes is more reserved outside of the fight. Issues? Trauma? Oh Helen spelling it out, he's my type, crap. "Emotionally unavailable pirate" is a lot of people's type TBF. No wonder I made a warding gesture on hearing Zolf's description and didn't warm up till Dover. These characters wear the red flag as a cape and I'm surprised when my heart gets broken every time. Eh Zolf came back and is doing well enough, maybe Barnes will turn out to just not be chatty vs heart rending. And Hamid in there with the initiative casting Detect Magic so they don't have to face all the risks implied with not checking over the bodies. Barnes and Carter are glowing "like a fireworks factory where things have gone wrong". Only Water Breathing on the mooks. Speaking of emotionally unavailable pirates, Zolf sounds resigned as hell. I know he's working on it but the situation would depress anyone and he's been having a time of it, what with the puzzles and all. Shutting down isn't actually coping better than being shouty just more convenient. Have I already mentioned I want someone to comfort Azu on screen so she can put herself first for once? Remember how bright she shone in Cairo? If she doesn't process soon she's going to echo Zolf's arc. Carter is trying to looking at the bright side. Thank you Ben and Alex, not only a mood lightener but one that reminds us that Zolf asks direct questions now. And Zolf just moved as clearly as possible to protect Azu after Carter lashed out in response to her. I know they have a ways to get to where Grizzop & Azu were but I think they are at least proper team mates. Maybe having Zolf on this side of the bars this time will ease anything Azu is carrying from their introduction. Cel is a delight. Did they just suggest hamster balls? I love how Alex jokes about his own set design. Ah there is Ben's Minecraft joke. I think that's what you call environmental story telling. I love the mental image of them making their entrance crashing the mine cart into the ambush, like half way between a roller-coaster and sledding. Ah its been so long Zolf can't apply his memories of mining. They are officially out! Azu and Zolf are finally breathing right. Hey Zolf broke the weather machine! Cel takes a look see. Plumes of smoke from Shoin's? Wreckage from all the storms. Zolf joins Cel and USES HIS WORDS! I am so proud of him. Like not kidding learning to proactively offer praise & comfort instead of only offering concrete assistance in reaction is a huge step. Oh Cel! Getting yourself killed fighting alone would not have been better than defending your patch. And Zolf is right there, god remember Paris? Remember Prague? Now look at him. And there is the reality check. Not as jarring as it could have been. Azu is face down on the ground near Hamid! No more putting on her game face and slogging through it! Yes, process all you need darlin, no reason to rush. Hamid checks in! Azu takes his hand and explicitly talks about how scary it was when he was missing. Hamid talks about putting on a brave face for Skraak! RQG really just said "we're giving the fandom everything they want" in an episode recorded before we had a chance to ask. Azu checks in with Hamid! Oh Hamid its ok not to be ok. Oh hat Azu! Hamid call your family 18mumble is a go! Alex I will scream if he gets another delaying tactic. Cross your fingers we might get Ishaq and Saira! Azu assures him it would OK. Timing Zolf Horses! Topaz! Barnes: right Well that's a fair reaction to a celestial camel, he doesn't even know what the T stands for. Azu hugs Topaz Thank you Alex for making judgmental celestial camel canon.  How GMs don't all go insane with power from the moment it hits they can rewrite their world on a whim is beyond me. A Shetland for Hamid, a standard sounding horse for Cel, a cart horse for Azu, and another Shetland for Zolf. Carter can't get the question out before Zolf shuts him down. He is sticking to his word to Skraak, the island belongs to the Kobolds. Hamid calls en route! Bryn remembers to roll for it! Ishaq is a great kid, such a good sign he sounds like a kid too. Yes the kids are all together in the country house! Dad is at a redacted location, thank you Alex! Mom is alright! Saira is busy and the biggest problem with Ismail is that he is now taller than Ishaq! Ismail is good at magic too. Family bonding time. Einstein is working. Emeka & Veseek are helping things. Ed is with the family. Zolf is not happy about the call. Fair Zolf but none of us are regretting that call. Eh it being a one time thing is fair. Have I mentioned I like how Hamid & Zolf bicker? Its not like with Grizzop. They assume good faith and argue about the issue not score points. Part of why I shipped them in the beginning honestly: charismatic as Hamid is he probably impressioned like a duck on the first person to care more about what he was saying than how he said it. They joke about how hard nonverbal shots are in a podcast. Yes Alex we really do respect your craft. Might have been reassuring Ben. Helen is on the audience's side as always and tells him to pay up on the promised coping mechanisms talk. And Alex makes them roll a perception check. Do not talk block. Carter has been trying to eavesdrop. Azu tells him he isn't invited and Zolf tosses something at his head. Carter slinks back off. Zolf is still not good with words but he is resisting the urge to take it back. That counts damn it! Azu: your not good at talking for someone who says we need to talk. Yes Azu, and thats what makes it special. He is willing to put himself out there and do things he is bad at for the sake of the team. I like how Helen plays Azu getting over her issues with Zolf rather than just leaping to "Hamid vouched for you so we're besties". I need a clip of this, Zolf is offering to listen and be there while respecting boundaries and citing his own experience. Helen is great, Azu jumps right into the 18 months by asking about his relationship with Poseidon. Which again makes sense, as Azu is still working on "we met after you drugged, trapped, and imprisoned me". Which I get but seriously couldn't it have been in the stew or something? Drugging a woman's drink has connotations. Azu backstory(ish) oh thank Alex her cult is still doing the good work. Zolf tells Azu this, and offers her an out? Hamid & Zolf offer reassurance. Yes Hamid specifically tells her it isn't her fault. Zolf assures her that she isn't responsible for Sasha's decisions. Cel and Carter are chatting about what they've seen on the island.  Barnes tells them to keep the volume down and does Zolf's thing of bouncing something off Carter's head when he's loud again. Hamid moves to check in with Cel. Cel calls him on it.  Hamid asks what Cel plans to do after quarantine! Thank you Bryn! Cel doesn't know, ow. Cel feels obligated to be more proactive. Hamid reassures and points out that they were able to do it as a team so its not on Cel for not acting alone. Cel what is your backstory, afraid of being the monster. Thank you, I could wrap myself in this episode like a blanket. Cel how do you know that about being friends with mercs? Hamid would do it again but wants them to have a choice. Cel: When I call you little buddy I m not referring to the size of your heart. And that was veering saccharine so Ben swoops in with the Harrison Campbell joke. Do not make me get into why Hamid might be using snobbery as a cover for continuing to care more about what people might think than what he wants. Its a cheap shot for what could equally be he's that age and still has some flaws to work through. Thank you Alex for being realistic about horse pace without turning it into a word problem. Wilde! Cel points out the inn keeper could be infected, the boys explain the system of watching one another. Zolf is not letting Wilde get cute with his team again. Wilde wants them "fully supervised" in the bath. I feared that Alex, Wilde turned himself off again. Zolf calls him on it, kinda. They skim past the bath, thank you that could have been problematic. Thank goodness they are leaving the cell door open but locking the trap door. The new kids are in quarantine with them. Fair, going to be fun, but fair.  
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shy-magpie · 4 years
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RQG 128
Darn forgot to pack a drink so had to spend a chunk of my lunch actually getting lunch, throwing off my listening ritual. Oh well, time to see Wilde. Bryn sounds down, Helen sounds ready to face anything Alex don't even joke about breaking Azu Ishaq has to do his quarantine before being reunited. Hamid aims to pop back and escort him but makes arrangements just in case Helen/Azu is so shocked no one is able to trust them with info until she passes quarantine Hamid tries to convince Einstein not to mention the stones; not something to do while under suspicion of being possessed, even if it would have been handy. Azu's brother is OK? Hints of backstory (did he not approve of her leaving to be a paladin?) but mostly Azu being great, and her brother also being great. They do the forearm clasp and forehead touch, both things I am an absolute sucker for. Bryn jokes about Alex losing his touch for not breaking our hearts with Azu's brother. Alex points out its more heartbreaking if he makes us care about him first. Helen doesn't appreciate having Azu's family threatened. Veseek is keeping an eye out for Ishaq, of course they are, they're Grizzop's hostage. Ed isn't allowed to join the party but Curie is finding things for him to do. Fair, Wilde is a house cat at the best of times, no way he is politely waiting for Hamid and Azu. Hamid and Azu have about 70% of a moment before Einstein calls them on it. So help me I will scream if we don't get an answer on what is going on with the weather. Theoretically its possible not to like Einstein but how? Not really Wilde's scene, I would think. Hamid is trying to order a drink and possibly charm the bar, because of course he is; sweet kid. Aw, everyone is scared of them Why is Alex rolling? And why didn't they check the drinks? I know paranoia is new and doesn't come naturally to these two but... Oh that's what Wilde meant by apologizing for the cliché. Ha Azu still finds the trap door, not in time to do anything but still Azu is not taking this calmly.  Also is 'built like a shed' a thing or is Helen not allowed to say "built like a brick sh!t house"? Wilde is being so Wilde, strip away the word games and charm, and you are left with a scarily competent man who knows he is better than you so don't try it. Also it sounds like he's doing better, good for him. Zolf! (gosh its sweet how openly happy Bryn is) Azu doesn't have any way of knowing who he is and doesn't trust him at all Gods I missed him, doesn't even try to charm her just points out the obvious. Ben does not understand why he has to introduce himself. What do you mean "it doesn't work"? Hamid can't cast dancing lights and is not happy about not having dark vision. Thank you, Ben! If I had to wait one more moment before Hamid and Zolf met... This is not the happy reunion I was expecting but I am so happy Looking good Zolf, no iconography, new weapon Hamid is not a happy camper but in what world does he think our Zolf would let sentiment cause him to endanger everyone? Look into my eyes and what? That is the cheapest way to get an honest reaction Hamid is not amused and wants food & grooming items now (poor guy can't prestidigitate and is under so much stress) Azu is so not happy that being a paladin isn't getting her anywhere. Speaking of why wouldn't the gods defend their own from possession and is this part of why no one was willing to talk about Fairhands?
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shy-magpie · 4 years
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RQG 126
We lost two people in the literal sense, and the remaining team are out numbered 2 to 1 by former hostages who need to be seen to.
Wow poor Bryn sounds down, and Helen doesn't sound much better. I think that was fake crying but I don't think I ever heard him so low energy Alex! Neither deserved it Bryn: "You monster! I don't respect your craft" Einstein set up the room properly to receive them? Really impressively well. Did he have help? Azu jumps in with the sensible questions Alex shouldn't have set himself up, if he wanted sympathy today of all days Oh Veseek and Bi Ming looking for Sasha and Grizzop Helen yells at Alex for us Hamid is hugging Veseek and trying to reassure him Year and a half?! !WHAT!! -both Hamid & Azu Hamid is having an attack, which is a fair reaction Well that goes pretty far to explain how he got things set up Hamid is jumping right into how we fix this, Einstein is trying to gently tell him its not fixable Everyone is underground? What happened in the rest of the world? There's Azu to get things on track Einstein is trying to calm things down ~ Oh thank Artemis he isn't making us wait to find out what happened with Sasha and Grizzop. I saw the all too short cast list and thought we would have to wait until the side quest to find out! Alex barely has his scene description out before Bryn calls him "the worst, the actual worst" Helen is once again speaking for all of us Same room different time? Oh I have never been happier to hear Grizzop's voice! They are alive to take damage so I really don't care Ben don't remind him he needs to be creative in punishing you Yeah Sasha's gutter french is not going to cut it So did anyone notice them dropping into the room and will that cause problems? Ah too crowded for people to notice? "Only a 19" Sasha takes her skills for granted Grizzop would notch an arrow first thing even before getting off the floor OK Alex has gone 3rd person again so I will cut him a little slack since it shows he is only pretending to be a bond villain If we had to have 2 of the team in Ancient Rome, then there are no two I trust to adapt, survive, and cover each other's backs. Also my issues are showing but it sounds like Eldarian was left in the stone circle rather than showing up with them, which is frankly a relief even if she did have some useful skills. OK so they did see Sasha and are alarmed at Grizzop Racist Romans, this is why they get smote Good Grizzop checks with Sasha on how they want to play this Fair Grizzop, (anyone grabs him, he'll shoot) That's how you make sure the enemy stays down So they barely set foot in town before making an enemy of the rich, very in character Human only town, very quickly seeing the dragon's point in destroying the place Please can I have Sasha wrapping Grizzop in her cloak and passing him off as her child? Maybe carrying him like a tired toddler? Thank you, Alex ~ Einstein better talk over this meal. Oh he is, spill! Yeah yeah riots, possible possession, Thank you Azu, foreign occupation by who? OK whatever is possessing people is now in charge Down a(nother) Meritocrat and the rest are dithering. Does that make the possessed 9/10ths of the law? I could really learn to hate the Acast bells Ok so the weather thing isn't under their control Good questions Is Alex drawing to explain something on the audio only medium? Einstein had 18 months with nothing to do but prepare and worry, of course he has everything Why did I doubt Alex, of course this is really helpful Blue Veins, aren't curable, aren't obvious until later stages, paladins are vulnerable I refuse to be grateful to the Mars lot, even if they are helping for now Cairo is safe, Hamid's family is okay Poor Bi Ming is babbling worried, but answers are scarce So the main plot has been entirely abandoned or what? That doesn't feel like an Alex thing Wilde went off grid I am so proud of Einstein, he did such a great job Azu has to fill Hamid and the rest in on how we lost the other 3, my heart ~ Sasha is trying to wrap her mind around this So Artemis is here? They predate the Roman gods, after all Sasha to Grizzop: you'll just have to be my weird child Wow that's some complicated feelings as Grizzop explains about Eldarian Sasha is reduced to staring at the wall OK its canon, they beat Hades Grizzop would think that balances the new set of emotional baggage Sasha bounces back a little as she mentions the locals are easy to rob Oh Grizzop "I'll kill every single one of them" Sasha, honey you'll be ok,  they'll be ok ~ Charming are we going to have the Salahs on our hands again or can we just leave them in jail? Yeah Veseek is close enough to Grizzop to be a hostage, so it tracks he would be game for vengeance Ed sweety, you don't have to fix it all, but are so welcome to join Poor Ishak, kid is holding up but that is in many ways more worrying than if he broke down. Not touching the twin part So what would Einstein consider a survival pack? Nice, our professor has hidden depths Hamid re:The mobile stones "they rock" We have a plan! ~ So does the paladin thing outweigh the goblin thing? Or is my boy about to get shot? Love it, you can spot the temple of Artemis by the arrow slits Cicero? Is a wanted man? Sasha uses her sign language to play charades with the Artemis guy. Lydia makes her case for it well. Of course the episode ends with an explosion and screaming Lydia sounds betrayed that this is the end of the recording session so she doesn't get to know what it was either. Thank you for that ending speech, Bryn. Might be more effective if you didn't sound so fond. Guess who stabs Cesar? I adore Lydia PS: Grizzop was right to tell Sasha what Eldarian did as soon as possible; letting her draw her own conclusions only to yank the rug out from under her latter would be worse. This does not change who Eldarian was. People like Eldarian often think that even their worst abuses are acts of love, even after being shown the harm it does their charges. Saying "this is for your own good" before you kick a puppy doesn't make you less of a puppy kicker. A grand act of self sacrifice appeals to the need to control the narrative.
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