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lykomeraki · 10 months

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Carl Grimes Deserved Better

I first mentioned this in an earlier post after I finished the Walking Dead for the first time, and my thoughts about the show. If you're like me, you probably agree that what happened to Carl was the worst story decision ever. So here's a lot of thoughts I've been sitting on for a while. If you'd like to read or commiserate with me about my rant/character study please continue reading. Caution: Spoilers Ahead

First off, killing off one of the main characters, particularly in this way, did nothing but damage the story. I read that they were trying to gain even more viewers in a similar way to game of thrones, a book and TV series unafraid of killing off main characters. In the case of Game of Thrones however the main character deaths made sense for the story, the individual storylines for these characters were complete, and their deaths could contribute to the stories of other major characters. the Walking Dead failed at this a myriad of times, giving smaller characters good development, then killing them just for shock value. Carl's death in particular. It provided no true motivation for any characters, he still had unfinished storylines, it only damaged the story itself, and there was so much potential and so many places his character could go.

in the comics, there didn't need to be a major death for Rick to spare Negan, his mercy was actually a punishment. the world would grow, improve, and repair itself, and Negan could only watch, never be a part of it.

If there needed to be a death to convince rick to have mercy, it is my opinion that Morgan would have been a far better choice, particularly as his ideologies kept shifting between kill everything and life is sacred. His character would be leaving the show at the end of season 8 anyway. It makes more sense story wise, it could have been that Morgan got bit or fatally injured, and in his last moments of life he encouraged Rick to have mercy. This makes a lot more sense then Carl's sudden turn to pacifism at the beginning of season 8, particularly since he fired the the first shots of the war in 7,16.

Carl played a key part in Negan's character development, being the first one to actually reach his small ember of humanity. Judith took over this particular storyline, and while I think she is a cool character with a phenomenal actress, she simply isn't the same. Carl actually has a history with Negan, both with him being the villain, and also with him having an almost mentor-like attitude towards him, touching on Negan's past as a gym teacher.

Rick Grimes leaving the show was also a bitter pill, one whose negative effect could have been lessened with Carl's survival. The only original group members still present are Daryl and Carol. and while they're great, it now feels like a completely different show. Michonne leaves too, so the only Grimes are Judith and RJ. Neither of whom had any real development. RJ simply existed, and Judith's skill level and character didn't make sense for her age, and the relatively easy life she must of had during the time skip bar being kidnapped by Jocelyn. Her shooting ability and skill with her little katana didn't make sense living in a place where she didn't have to grow up fighting and in danger like Carl did. Carl could have provided that feeling of the original Grimes family who were the ultimate focus and purpose of this story, a father and his son suriving in the apocalypse, and the friends, family, and enemies they make and lose along the way. with the loss of both rick and especially Carl, (since Rick didn't even die so his new story would still make sense even if Carl survived.) the walking dead no longer feels like the same story, and not in a way where it naturally evolved. it simply doesn't make as mush sense anymore in regards to the characters they have.

Carl ultimately had the best character development, growing from an annoying bratty kid who doesn't understand that there are new dangers in this world, to a teen who is wise to the world and it's dangers, and is capable of protecting himself, and helping his loved ones. he is also able to retain a sense of compassion, not becoming a soulless killing machine like Morgan did briefly, Herschel intervening and helping with his development to keep him off that path when he shot the teen from Woodbury. towards the end, he was really coming into himself, becoming a very fleshed-out character and becoming a very good leader in his own right, he could have helped Michonne and/or Tara after Rick and Maggie left and they took over Alexandria and Hilltop respectively. I believe that despite Michonne orders of complete isolation even from their friends, Carl still would have visited and reached out to Hilltop and Kingdom, even being a friend and mentor to Henry, who I personally think was a little whiney. Henry still could have had the romantic storyline with Lydia, because Carl would likely continue to pursue Enid. but he could have been a friend and ally to Lydia in a similar way to Daryl.

the manner of Carl's death was also dumb to the point of disrespectful. he got pinned by one walker and bitten by another when a few years ago he was able to get out from under three without a scratch. while Siddiq did become a good character, his death (which was also pointless) rendered Carl's sacrifice completely pointless. they also didn't even need to be killing those walkers, Carl was helping Siddiq honor his mother's belief that killing walkers released the dead souls. an interesting belief and concept Siddiq never brings up or seems to follow again.

Carl's death was anticlimactic, cheap shock value, and again I state: pointless. He is possibly my favorite TV character ever, with some of the best development I've seen, similar to Sansa Stark, going from annoying and inflated self-confidence to wisdom, capability, and experience. truly growing as a character with believeable flaws and relatable growth.

Losing Sophia, costing Dale his life by treating walkers like a game, Losing Shane and his Mother, Killing the teen and Herschel's intervention, losing the prison, Herschel, and temporarily Judith, the Claimers, the Termites, his interactions with Ron and the loss of his eye, Glenn's and Abraham's awful death's, his desire for revenge and his failed attempt on Negan's life, and the following consequences and interactions with him that followed. all of these experiences contributed to his growth. he learned his capabilities, and when he got too cocky, he was knocked down a peg by real consequences. when Judith acted out, rebelled, took on an enemy, or got cocky, there were no consequences, direct or otherwise. when Carl's skill, self-confidence, or ego grew, there were still consequences that made sense. this gave him a better character and more relatability and humanity, making mistakes and learning from them.

I never expected to get this attached to a character, and will be salty about how they treated Carl and Chandler Riggs for a very long time. (I'm not even going to get into how they treated the actor but it was awful) thank you for listening to (reading) my rant, feel free to commiserate about Carl or other undeserved TWD character deaths in the comments.

#twd deserved better #twd #carl grimes #carl grimes deserved better #character analysis #spoilers for twd sort of #spoilers kinda #spoilers #venting about losing a character #rick grimes #judith grimes #michonne #glenn rhee #the walking dead #negan #negan smith

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lilhoeforevanpeters · 6 months

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Helping Hand

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Carl Grimes x Reader (gender not specified)

Summary: after a long day, you just want to help your boyfriend relax

Warnings: graphic descriptions of sexual activities, Oral (M! receiving), moaning, I'm pretty sure that's it

HE'S AGED UP IN THIS

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You gently knock on his bedroom window, sitting on the flat tiled roof. Carl approaches his window with a slight smile on his face when he sees you. He opens the window and pulls you into his bedroom, kissing your neck softly as he wraps his arms around your waist.

"Hey you," you whisper in his ear as he hugs you and leans down to kiss your neck, and you can feel him smile against it

"Hey. I missed you," He mumbles into your hair, his voice a little hoarse. His arms are around you, creating little to no space between you as he clings onto you. You kiss his cheek gently under his scar.

"You okay?" You ask softly, taking his face into your hands, caressing his scarred cheek. Carl seems withdrawn as he slightly nods his head, not wanting to let go of you.

You can tell your boyfriend just needs a little bit of rest and comfort right now- he needs to be taken care of, and who better to do that than you?

"Carl... honey... come on, sit down, let me take care of you..." You caress his cheek as he sits down on the edge of his bed.

You stand in between his legs and your hands move down to the belt on his jeans, your eyes looking up at his face for approval to continue. He nods and allows you to unbuckle his belt, gently sliding his jeans off, giving you enough room to move aside his underwear.

You lower yourself onto your knees as he sits onto the bed, taking his firm erection in your hand, pumping it lightly before swirling your tongue around the tip- collecting his salty pre-cum.

"Shit, Y/N," Carl moans out quietly, throwing his head back slightly as you continue moving, bringing your lips and mouth up and down his veiny cock. The plush walls of your warm mouth sucking him off arousing him further, making his hips bucking slightly and his fingers entangled in your hair. You're really making a mess out of him.

Carl's dick twitches in your mouth, your hand wrapped around the shaft of his cock, jerking him off as your other hand moves up to cup his balls. With your head bobbing up and down on his hard member, he lets out a shuddering moan, before his impending climax crashes over him- his hot, pearly white release filling your mouth, running down your throat as you swallow his cum.

Carl caresses the side of your face, his mouth slightly agape from his previous orgasam, beads of sweat lining his forehead. He smiles tiredly, pressing a kiss to the top of your head.

"Thank you, sweetie... I needed that..." He whispers softly, pulling you into a hug. Right now, all Carl wanted was to just go to be able to rest stress free with his lover.

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can08writer · 2 months

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Carl could've made this story so much more interesting.

This has been said so many times, but Richonne's story couldve had so much more depth if Carl had survived.

They could've explored how he'd feel about Michonne's change of heart about letting people in after the Jocelyn incident, and he could've changed her mind about giving people a chance again. They could've let Judith be more of a child instead of an adult in a child's body, going toe to toe with Michonne on existential issues (I always thought she was a little too precocious and young to be arguing with Michonne about issues she has no life experience dealing with.) If Carl was checking Michonne about her mindset it would make so much more sense because he's older with actual experience with people.

The whisperer arc which was written to involve Carl could've had so much more meaning had Carl been with Lydia instead of Henry.

They could've explored the difficulty Carl could have being a parent to his siblings while Michonne goes to find Rick. Maybe he has to protect Judith who is very headstrong like Michonne and wants to go after Rick herself. Maybe RJ has a dark side and is starting to become cold like Carl was at his age, and doing dumb things like sneaking out of the walls, and Carl has to think about how Rick would solve that problem since Rick is his only Dad reference. Maybe Carl doesn't want to be a parent, and just wants to be a normal 20ish year old after his hard childhood, and he holds resentment towards both Rick and Michonne for leaving all their children. Any of those scenarios would be fascinating.

Instead, they killed Carl off and left Daryl (who left), and Carol (who left) to raise their kids. They could've had a goldmine of fascinating conflicts and situations to pick from.

#richonne #michonne #rick grimes #judith grimes #carl grimes #twd towl #carl deserved better #the walking dead

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carlgrimesloverr · 1 year

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mesmerizing

carl grimes x fem!reader

summary : carl meets the fellow teens of alexandria - and god is one of them mesmerizing

takes place during : 5x12

warnings : none

word count : 455

“we're almost always here after school, so you can come by any time.” ron explained as he stepped into his room.

“you go to school?” carl gaped, surprised.

“it's in a garage - little kids go in the morning and then it's us in the afternoon. you'll probably go to school… right?”

“probably.”

“guys, this is carl - carl, this is mikey, enid, and you’ll meet the other girl later.“

“hey.” mikey smiled

“hi.” enid huffed

“you said other girl - who’s the other girl?”

“she’s too complex - gotta meet her on your own... anyways, both of the girls are from outside too - just came eight months ago.”

the brunette stood awkwardly, staring at enid who was reading the comics, “oh, uhm… is this yours?” he asked, pulling a comic out of his back pocket.

“sorry! we didn't know you guys got that house.” ron apologized quickly

“we mostly just hang out there and listen to music. that ones shared.” mikey laughed.

carl lightly handed the comic to enid, who just tossed it to the side.

"welcome to alexandria, loser." a voice smiled from behind carl, causing him to whip around.

the brunette looked up for a second, gaping at the girl who stood before him. she wasn’t tall, nor was she short. she had beautifully long eyelashes, and her hair perfectly fit her face. in one hand she held a few comic books, and in the other, her drink.

she was mesmerizing.

"its carl, isn't it? i've heard of you, you're from the new group right? the ones that tried to kill our people?" she laughed as she took off her headphones.

"we didn't mean to-"

"they always say that... so sad."

"i'm sorry... we just were scared."

"scared?"

"yeah. scared, 'cause your 'people' were following us."

"yeah, and now you're here. so don't complain or we'll kick y'all out."

"oh.. i never got your name- and i'm carl grimes by the way!" the boy announced as he noticed the girl turning around and taking her leave.

she knows your name already damnit carl.

"i know!" was all she replied with.

carl stopped for a moment, before realizing he should catch up to her. his people weren't actually gonna kill hers. they would never. "wait!" he called out, hoping to grasp her attention. in some world, maybe he did get her attention. but in this one? she kept walking.

pausing slightly, carl studied how the teen moved as she walked. her jeans clung tightly to her body, yet hung low as if baggy. and her crop-top seemed to be nearly too cropped as well, riding up against her skin as she walked. oh, she knew what she was doing.

god, she really was mesmerizing.

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mistressheroine · 3 months

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Just rewatched ‘Coda’ and this is never gonna be okay, I am a mess. I start crying from the minute they enter that fucking hallway. The reaction shots KILL me. The fact that you know Daryl is on the floor sobbing over her body just out of shot, I can’t— 😭💔

Beth Greene, you deserve so much better than this. Thank god for fix-it fic.

#beth greene #twd #the walking dead #twd rewatch #5x08 #coda #bethyl #daryl dixon #this episode broke me #Beth deserved better #seriously these fucking writers #sobbing

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truck-stop-tiger · 2 months

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When I walked into your dagger for the last time—

#where you can’t seem to hold me #can’t seem to let me go #twd #twdg #the walking dead game #the walking dead #Brody twdg #marlon twdg #can you tell that I love season 4 already #Brody….. Brody my beautiful girl #she deserved so much better #something so heartbreaking about a girl who’s attached to her downfall #marlon is cool too I guess #jk he’s actually so interesting #abusive boyfriend sorry. making her look crazy in front of her friends.#he puts his hands on her FOUR TIMES AMD THEN KILLS HER #her death was an accident #but the pattern is undeniable #please talk to me about Brody and Marlon

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bisexualmultifandommess · 1 month

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I’m a big twdg Nick fan so I feel like he would’ve been a great addition to any moments in the games but the games are stupid and kill him off despite us having the option to save him twice like why? 😭😭

Like imagine his reaction to them all finding Luke and Jane it probably would’ve been so funny probably would’ve been like “hey it’s not me making the bad choices this time” lmao

I also love the idea of him being a big brother type figure to Clem like Luke is.

#you were one of the greats nick #if he was still around and was protective of clem he probably would terrify louis at first #but he’d eventually get used to him #him and luke being clouis shippers but still 100% ready to kick his ass if he hurts her #though louis is horrified at even the thought of hurting her #plus clem could handle it #sorry turned the tags into clouis for a moment because I love them #but anyway nick deserved better #the walking dead #twd #the walking dead game #telltale the walking dead #twdg #twdg nick #twdg luke #twdg jane #twdg clementine #twdg clem

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sachaa-ff · 2 months

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Rick and Michonne are back!

#twd imagine #the walking dead #rick and michonne #twd #twd amc #the walking dead imagine #finally they are back #rick grimes #michonne #Rick is back #nat deserved better #imagine #oneshot #spoiler #fypシ

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zz0mbiex · 3 months

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!!WARNING: late twd season 8 spoilers!!

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me whenever someone reminds me that my comfort character (carl grimes) is DEAD.

#carl grimes #i hate everyone #SHUT UP LEAVE ME ALONE #i hate twd but love it at the same time #i’m going insane because i love the walking dead so so much #my poor poor boy #carl grimes deserves better #twd #the walking dead

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lykomeraki · 11 months

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TWD

So, I just finished all 11 seasons of the walking dead and I have some.... thoughts.

I just started watching twd a couple of months ago, and I never thought I would get this emotionally attached to a show, like it so much, and also be disappointed in it. It is one of my favorite shows if not THE favorite, but I feel like it definitely could have been handled better.

I'll try to avoid getting into the full rant circulating through my mind but seriously, the last three seasons didn't even feel like it was the same show anymore. I know this kind of post has been done a bunch of times before, but I think they definitely lost sight of what the story was supposed to be about. A father, and his son surviving the apocalypse. I know there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, but killing off Carl Grimes was the worst decision a show ever made and I will die on this hill.

I cannot accurately describe in one post how I feel this show was both incredibly great, and handled so poorly. There were characters that got awesome development, only to be killed off as soon as they started to become good characters. Beth, Tyreese, Denise, Noah, and so many others. Carl had the greatest character development, we literally watched him grow up on the show, and Chandler Riggs did an awesome job bringing that character to life. the way the character and the actor were treated still makes me furious.

Nevertheless, I loved the show, and the last few seasons did have some gems. But I never thought I would get this invested in a show, or in these characters. I'm honestly thinking about writing more about this, because right now it's just living in my head rent-free.

thanks for listening (reading, I know) to my thoughts on this. this was an incredible show, and Carl Grimes was easily my favorite character. From season three onward I guess, he was a bit annoying at first, but you know, a young kid, whose world has drastically changed, and he's still learning what that means in the first two seasons. anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest because wow, this show really got me invested.

#twd #walking dead #spoilers kinda #carl grimes #twd deserved better #carl grimes deserved better #just finished twd #beth greene #tyreese williams #noah twd #twd denise #spoilers for twd sort of

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my-mt-heart · 6 months

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@Anon

Clearly none of those EPs are Melissa, which is ironic because that's who fans have faith in. The others are responsible for the low numbers and criticism. Again. Hit show? Or happy man babies? They can't have it both ways. It's painfully obvious who the fans would prefer to have. They need to make that happen because fans are the ones who pay their salaries. Don't make the same mistakes AGAIN.

#ruin the show my ass #caryl #twd caryl #fans deserve better #melissa mcbride deserves better

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carlgrimesloverr · 1 year

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modern!carl grimes hc

summary : what do i think carl grimes would be like if he was alive with no apocalypse

trigger warning : shit head carl ig?

word count : 180

i just wanted to apologize for this bullshit i got depressed over carls death 💀

had a large collection of nerf guns growing up (would shoot at the neighborhood kids)

his nerf guns were taken from him eventually when parents started complaining to lori (who then had to talk to rick and shane about talking to carl about the dangers of guns)

loves cats [the 2019 abomination] unironically

hates targets that don’t have starbucks in them (only likes target for starbies)

is a walmart over target guy

finds zombie movies to be dumb and make no sense (screams at the screen when characters die due to stupidity)

is a physical education and science kid (would be failing every other class if not for auntie beth who every teacher loves)

hasn’t read a book that wasn’t a comic book since second grade

marvel over dc for movies but dc over marvel for comics

would bite kids 💀

tells judith santa claus isn’t real from the beginning (she was like 4. she sobbed.)

terrified of chuck-e-cheese (michonne takes him as punishment for telling judith santa isn’t real)

was a fnaf kid growing up

was a boy-scout

flaunts being the sheriffs son (everyone hates him for it)

keeps a list on the fridge of his aunts + uncles ranked favorite to least favorite (it changes weekly)

gets into fights weekly with ron at school (teachers have stopped trying to pull them apart it happens too often)

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allthegothihopgirls · 6 months

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i miss the grimes kids.

#oh they deserved so much better #the whole family did #twd #carl grimes #rick grimes #michonne grimes #judith grimes #rj grimes #lori grimes #the walking dead #.#gothihop speaks

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twd-screenshot-memes · 2 years

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Caryl + Tumblr posts

#the walking dead #twd #carol peletier #daryl dixon #caryl #caryl deserved better #carol peletier deserved better #melissa mcbride #melissa deserved better #norman reedus #carylers #caryl twd #caryl forever #twd caryl #caryledit #first #caryl is coming #caryl positivity #caryl is endgame

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myinterestsvary-writes · 1 month

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Ridiculous dialogue last week? Nah you're tripping

Not tripping at all when we have Michonne basically reciting a play about love and Rick affirming her affections with phrases like, “you’re the love of my life.” I see Danai’s writer’s hand in so much of last week’s. The whole episode was very dramatic but necessary, it let me give them grace in dismissing these kind of lines and contrivances in favour of the story they were telling which was a beautiful one.

This week’s episode however had terrible characters with mediocre acting, something just felt off about this one. There go these new World Beyond!Rick and Michonne versions of these characters again with the flowery language and overly full speech. I’ve always disliked Jadis too, her scenes were fucking bothersome and they dragged out her death. Hated this episode.

#finding proper examples would mean watching this episode again.#dont get me wrong id watch ep 4 again but not this.#good riddance #also father gabriel’s storyline fucking sucked too. ew they kissed again.#he deserves better #twd towl #twd #richonne #asks #anonymous #rick grimes #michonne grimes

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otto-troy · 2 months

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I still can’t get over how dirty Troy was played by AMC, just thought y’all should know that.

#troy otto #fear the walking dead #ftwd #fear the walking dead rp #fear twd #sad quotes #troy deserved better #amc twd #the terror amc #amc fucked up #twd

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