Stop blaming Dany for the limited aspirations of your favorite character. It is not her fault that Sansa is dumb and canonically cannot do much beside sit still and look pretty. Address this concern to George R.R. Martin and refrain from expressing disturbing desires for manipulation and harm towards a teenage rape survivor.

I actually helped someone to approach GRRM about the certainty of a quote related to Sansa. I gave them the idea to write him an email and helped them finding the right email address. And when the email was sent, he replied to us in about a week.

Is this your attempt to ask for my help to do the same?

Targ stans getting all excited about Aegon's dream, and then furiously spending all of their time online fighting people who don't see this as a win for House Targaryen and are mocking the Targaryens as a result, all within the spand of 24 hours, has been HILARIOUS! Thank you, GRRM! Thank you, HBO!

People saying that the targies hate Sa/ra Sn/ow because of the J0nsa implications....and that's just not correct lmao. It's not about J0nsa at all and comparing Sara/Jace to J0nsa makes no sense. As someone that saw the Sara hate start in real time on twitter, I can tell you it's because targies don't like the optics of their 'pure Valyrian beauty' being 'left' for another woman, especially one who isn't valyrian and is some northern bastard. Mind you, Jace and Ba/la have barely spoken two words to each other on the show and were basically put into an arranged betrothed when they were literal children. Targies acting like Ba/la was his wife and mother of his children that he abandoned sends me.

Also, it's hilariously hypocritical because these are the same people who ship and/or tangentially support the literal disease of a relationship that is Raggar and Lianna - where a man, ya know, actually left his wife/children for his mistress but anyway. I even saw one person who was foaming at the mouth over Sara talk shit about Elia when people said this is basically a R/L easter egg sooooooo yeah lol. I don't know if producers will go through with including Sara but I will be one hundred percent shipping just because of how mad targ stans will be over it.

Also, Ba/la gets cheated on multiple times by the man she actually marries so they can go worry about that instead lol.

Exactly!! And I'd like to start out by saying, thank God I've been spared from seeing posts comparing B@ela to Elia 🙄 Because I would say some regrettable things. B@ela is a badass whose fate doesn't need to be compared to Elia's. Anyway, I've seen maybe a couple Jonsas draw a possible connection to Sara/Jace, but they certainly don't treat it as Canon. I'm not 100% the showrunners will include Sara Snow, but if they do they will obviously have good reasons behind it. They're not going to include a "random" character with no purpose behind it. If Sara Snow was real, then that's a huge deal and it suggests that more went on in the North than we realized. It would strengthen friendship between Jace and Cregan. Maybe they'll tie the prophecy into it, idk. I hate how the HBO showrunners treat the prophecy but what're you gonna do, right? I don't think the prophecy is as simple as a Targaryen and a Stark hooking up and pumping out a kid, but if that's how the showrunners interpret it, then we're probably going to see it again. Or something similar. We think it's bad now? If they decide to include her, we're gonna witness an online riot within the fandom lol.

Goddamn I love that pov: Rhaenyra meme. I’m definitely gonna use it if I see Targ stans being annoying

Thank you! I’m so glad people enjoy it. Everyone feel free to use it to piss off your local Targie 💚

Is it me or is the prophecy a dream Aegon had? The part abt "aTarg must be seated on the IT" is only interpretation/wishful thinking or not? Forgive me, I am not native English, but Aegon's dream appears as a fact and it doesn't include "a Targ on the IT". At least this is my understanding. Am I wrong??? If not, the Targs wreacked chaos for nothing, lol! (a Targ on the throne, another way for M. to throw shade on the Targs and prophecies)

also the prophecy is a double edged sword for targ/dany fans because accepting it as a justification for aegons conquest would mean that they'd also have to accept that dany did not have justification beyond her desire to rule. the prophecy definitely wasnt passed to her, she was in exile (unless rhaegar or the mad king passed it to viserys and he told dany?). or am i wrong?

(about this post I reblogged)

No worries about your English! It's perfect!

I don't know the context for the clip we saw, or how they'll choose to develop this. I'm not into Targ history or the Targs at all, really. In ASOIAF, Dany doesn't mention Viserys sharing such a prophecy with her, so unless there's gonna be a forgotten memory/retcon in her future, it isn't her reason for going to Westeros or believing she must be queen.

I saw someone say this prophecy thing in HOTD was from Martin though (I don't know the sources), and if it is, I think it's possible that he'll continue to give Dany visions in TWOW and that might serve her drive to take KL at all costs, to tie this all together. She has her Rhaegar vision and asks about TPTWP so it's possible I suppose, and since she is Aegon come again, it makes sense to give them to her too only for her to misinterpret them in the same way. She heard Rhaegar mention a song of ice and fire and that’s what was mentioned in the clip, so there are links there in canon that they’re grabbing at. Maybe Dany will get more info in a dream/vision in TWOW. Again, this is all totally uninformed spec, I'm not watching the show and I have the tags filtered so I'm not even seeing all the content the people I follow put on my dash.

I think you’re right though, that there was clearly misinterpretation influenced by self-aggrandizement because that seems to be the Targaryen way. Rhaegar reads something and believes he is the prophesied hero:

"I would hear it from you."

"As you wish," said Whitebeard. "As a young boy, the Prince of Dragonstone was bookish to a fault. He was reading so early that men said Queen Rhaella must have swallowed some books and a candle whilst he was in her womb. Rhaegar took no interest in the play of other children. The maesters were awed by his wits, but his father's knights would jest sourly that Baelor the Blessed had been born again. Until one day Prince Rhaegar found something in his scrolls that changed him. No one knows what it might have been, only that the boy suddenly appeared early one morning in the yard as the knights were donning their steel. He walked up to Ser Willem Darry, the master-at-arms, and said, 'I will require sword and armor. It seems I must be a warrior.'"

"And he was!" said Dany, delighted.

(ASOS, Daenerys I)

It’s all very Targy, and seems to always lead to the same thing: death. 

While Jace and Alysanne goes to north, their dragons refused to cross the wall or irritated with weather. Now the winter will be harshest because of long night, so how could Dany dragons will cross the wall? Forget dragons would Dany and her armies would be able to adept the cold temperature? It's like people ignore these facts because for them Dany could do anything.

Alysanne visited the Wall during Summer:

The men of the Night’s Watch were as thunderstruck by the queen’s dragon as the people of White Harbor had been, though the queen herself noted that Silverwing “does not like this Wall.” Though it was summer and the Wall was weeping, the chill of the ice could still be felt whenever the wind blew, and every gust would make the dragon hiss and snap. “Thrice I flew Silverwing high above Castle Black, and thrice I tried to take her north beyond the Wall,” Alysanne wrote to Jaehaerys, “but every time she veered back south again and refused to go. Never before has she refused to take me where I wished to go. I laughed about it when I came down again, so the black brothers would not realize anything was amiss, but it troubled me then and it troubles me still. —Fire & Blood

Jace visited Winterfell during Autumn:

Autumn was well advanced when the Prince of Dragonstone came to Winterfell. The snows lay deep upon the ground, a cold wind was howling from the north, and Lord Stark was in the midst of his preparations for the coming winter, yet he gave Jacaerys a warm welcome. Snow and ice and cold made Vermax ill-tempered, it is said, so the prince did not linger long amongst the northmen, but many a curious tale came out of that short sojourn. —Fire & Blood

Now imagine dragons visiting the North and trying to fly beyond the Wall during not any ordinary Winter, but during the Long Night Winter???

BUT!

According to our good lad Goldfish Anon, that one admirer of the curtain of light theory, Alysanne's dragon refusing to cross the Wall only means that: i) the three heads of the dragons, those truly, very so much special ones are the only riders that can guide the dragons beyond the Wall; and ii) the dragons, those pure angels weapons of mass destruction, will be the sacrifice to save humanity from the Long Night.

It seems Alysanne and Jace weren't special enough, they weren't destined to save the world, they weren't the children of ancient prophecy..........

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GoT Season 8, Episode 2: Knight of the Seven Kingdoms Thoughts

Like i am not even sure this episode's name is that or "The rightful queen" but I am going with the title I liked more.

I was fully intending of making a big ass Recap like I usually do but today I had a lot of work and I feel like everyone has already talked about the episode since it was leaked so I am just gonna talk about some scenes that I think will be relevant and my take on some shipping stuff.

Again I warn that I don't root for D Targy at all (but I do think she is an amazing character) and she annoys the heck out of me most often than not so... if she is your fave pls don't read this cuz it's not for you.

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On Jaime Lannister

I feel this was a great episode for him as a character, while I do wish he would have said something about the wildfire on King's Landing or the Loot Attack I ultimately think that what he did say was the best thing in his PoV because he thinks D is the North's queen now that Jon bent the knee so ofc he wasn't gonna antagonize her that much when he was at clear disadvantage.

His chat with Tyrion was also very good, tho I feel in the books this will be more on a bitter note given Jamie's confession about Tysha, but yeah they are close once again and I appreciate that.

Every scene he had with Brienne had me swooning.Brienne defending him in the Great Hall. All those stares. The clear tension between them and the fact that Brienne doesn't know what to do when they are on the same side and he is not insulting her, so they still fight and pant around each other and I love it (honestly this kind of fighting is a lot like the Jonsa one because they have to get rid of that UST but they can't fuck or even kiss yet so they bicker and pant around each other). I noticed how he stared at Tormund and immediately knew he was intrested in Brienne. And ofc him knighting Brienne was the best of the episode for me (hence my preference of the title aluding to this scene).

On Sansa Stark

Curious that we don't get Sansa or Jon's PoV this episode, just them through other people's eyes.

The Great Hall scene: while I would have loved Sansa defending Jaime like in some fics, I think it does make sense that she feels resentment towards him and his family, but she still was willing to trust him once Brienne spoke on his behalf which says a lot for their relationship and how much Sansa has come to trust and value Brienne and her opinions. She was completely a queen in that scene, she even left the place frist not giving a fuck whatsoever about D.

Tête-à-tête with the gecko queen: Sophie Turner is an amazing actress. Ok so I loved she was telling Lord Royce she wanted to leave the Gates open as long as possible, such a compassionate queen, but also the moment D steps in I lived for Lord Royce clearly showing more respect and deference towards Sansa than towards D (I mean that the whole North respects Sansa as their leader is the very reason why Jorah asked D to talk to her). We see Sansa be closed off towards D in the beginnig even when D is trying hard to be sympathetic to sansa and bond over them being good leaders to their people (bihhh Sansa laughed and so did I cuz just how deluded is D to think she is on Sansa's level of good leadeeship), and D asks the question we have since ep 1 "does that (Jon's love for D) bother you?" And I am absolutely sure that the answer to that is yes, but Sansa was never going to show herself that much to someone she doesn't trust nor even likes (this girl out played LF ffs!!!) so she went for a non-commital answer (is not a yes or a no, she is justifying her distrust for D and appears not to be jealous but a concerned sister) D is appeased by this answer and tries to show Sansa that her and Jon's relationship is real (lmaoo) by stating just how much she sacrified her goals just for his love (like nice that she doesn't pretend to care for the people she wants to be queen of anymore, the Jonsa fandom said this since last season) and straight up says she is the one being manipulated by Jon, and Sansa's face is a poem, cuz you can see exactly the moment when she figures out that Jon is manipulating D!! We even get a smile of relief and promptly she catches herself and changes her behaviour implying she should apologize (but she never actually does) and even lauguing at how short Jon is (Sansa bites her lip tho 👀👀 and D's smile is so fake idk who she thinks she is fooling) but Sansa again brings up the North and D is visibly upset at that.

Scenes with Theon: I am just going to straight up say I do ship Theonsa and I have read fics of them, but I do not think it will be canon or that it makes narrative or political sense cuz it doesn't. Their reunion was heartwarming and beautiful (tho D jealous stare bothered me, like fuck off I wanna see my babies) Sansa was clearly happy at seeing Theon more like himself and having him want to fight for their family. Their scene with the soup was cute but I did not see it as shippy at all, there is definitely affection and care but I don't think it was shot as romance or a couple's montague, it was simply showing us all the different ways the characters we know spend this night. As much as it hurts me because I love Theon, I think it is possible he will die protecting Bran (I really don't want this, but it's a big possibility, cuz I know some big characters must die in order to destroy us as much as possible, and this scenes with Sansa might just serve that purpose) so I'll just drown in theonsa fics if that happens. Also, it kinda make me go 👀👀 the fact that they made the theonsa scenes so alike the jonsa s6 ones but without all that flirty stuff on the soup scene and that it was enough for the GA and some Aegonys to ship it while we know Theon like Jon also grew up with Sansa in WF. Idk it was kinda amusing to me.

On Jon Snow

Ok so this made a lot of sense to me, Jon avoiding D post parentage reveal is what seals pol!Jon to me, if he really loved her he would have gone statight to her in the night and confess this thing he found out while crying and looking for her support and being all hopless longingly staring at her but nope he doesn't even want to look at her (he is probably thinking how he fucked his aunt and shudders). I was also like 👀👀 when he pushed past D to follow Sansa, did they talk?? Did they fight again??? I am thirsty, but it was also a good thing Jon didn't interact with Sansa cuz it would give the game away too soon, as a matter of fact Jon doesn't seek her out like last episode as far as the audience knows and I think that is because he doesn't know what to do he is having an existencial crisis in the middle of the Apocalipsis, and Sam is like have you told her yet??? He knows shit could hit the fan at any minute. I loved his reunion with Tormund and Edd because I love Jon's smile and he has been just miserable since last ep, so yeah I need my boy to be happy.

Now onto the reveal, I think Jon genuinely thought he might as well just say it, D clearly seeked him out for some loving sexy times and Jon was not on board with that, he just couldn't keep it up with her cuz he doesn't love her, never has and now she is his aunt, he just can't do that knowing they are super related, also now D can't leave them (I mean she kind of can fuck off in Drogon and maybe Rhaegal will follow, but her armies can't leave, and they have the obsidian so...) . The fact he called her D@ny is so layered, for starters she told him straight up not to call her that cuz it reminds her of Viserys, so it connects them as family and upsets D at the same time. D straight up thinks that Bran and Sam would make shit up to usurp her (bihhh no one but u and Cersei gives a fuck about the ugly ass chair) and then when she sees Jon is saying the truth she is furious (so much for the aegony marriage fix up that her stans dreamed off, also can we fucking kiss boatie goodbye?? Cuz that sure as hell ain't happening) and Jon is baffled, he knows she wants the IT more than anything and shit but really??? They are about to die, and he has left more than clear to any one that would listen that he doesn't care about titles. Not only that but Jon and her are family now,and family is important to Jon, and she reacts like this???

On Gendrya

I was a bit wierded out cuz we have seen Maise since she was a kid (lmaoo i am like a year older than her) but more power to her for the scene, also I really love Gendrya and their interactions have been so flirty and charged with chemistry. I am worried about Gendry's survival, but I think he might live.

On everything else:

I loved Gilly and Dadvos's scene, it was so good and I wish they would give Gilly more lines.

Missandei and Greyworm making plans for after the war makes me worried one of them will die, also now that D will feel betrayed by Jon, I fear she will think GW and Missandei wanting to leave is also treason. I AM WORRIED. Also to ppl doesn't trust Missandei cuz she is with d and nobody in the north trusts Targs not even children.

Tyrion talking about destroying Cersei made him seem more Book!Tyrion than ever and I just shudderd. D literally never wants to take responsability for any desicion when she refused to fight for the north if Cersei didn't joined them. Also she would really have named Jorah hand??? She is dumb as a brick. His scene with Jaime, Brienne and co. Was cute.

Podrick was looking fine and his voice was really good. Also that Jenny of Oldstone song with all it's jonsa vibes 👀👀.

I think people overall have become way less able to think critically of Targs since HoTD aired. The fandom went way more pro-incest and pro-Valyrian-blood-purity while framing both as progressive and right for Westeros. Sickening.

Some people believe F&B book is a targ love letter, instead of an evident anti targ book, so what can I say about the greatests of minds that created the jonerice bingo????

I am seeing how they affirm that GrrM said "slavery can only end with fire and blood" is that true?

No. That's a classic from targies. They love to use this quote from GRRM's vampire novel 'Fevre Dream' to justify their fave's campaign in Slaver's Bay:

“You know I never held much with slavery, even if I never done much against it neither. I would of, but those damned abolitionists were such Bible-thumpers. Only I been thinkin’, and it seems to me maybe they was right after all.You can’t just go . . . usin’ another kind of people, like they wasn’t people at all. Know what I mean? Got to end, sooner or later. Better if it ends peaceful, but it’s got to end even if it has to be with fire and blood, you see? Maybe that’s what them abolitionists been sayin’ all along. You try to be reasonable, that’s only right, but if it don’t work, you got to be ready. Some things is just wrong. They got to be ended.”

Toby was looking at him queerly, still absent-mindedly wiping his hands across the front of his apron, back and forth, back and forth. “Cap’n,” he said softly, “you is talkin’ abolition. This here is slave country, Cap’n. You could git kilt fo’ sech talk.”

“Maybe I could, Toby, but right is right, that’s what I say.”

“You done good by ol’ Toby, Cap’n Marsh, givin’ me my freedom and all so’s I could cook fo’ you. That you did.”

—Fevre Dream

Abner Marsh, the Captain of the steamboat Fevre Dream, was a white man that: "never held much with slavery, even if he never done much against it neither." And Toby Lanyard, Marsh's cook, was basically still a slave: “You done good by ol’ Toby, Cap’n Marsh, givin’ me my freedom and all so’s I could cook fo’ you. That you did.”

Let's read more about good old Toby Lanyard:

The cook was a free colored man named Toby Lanyard, who had been with Marsh fourteen years, ever since Marsh tasted his cooking down in Natchez, bought him, and gave him his freedom.

(...) "Jest Toby, Cap'n," came the soft whispered reply.

Marsh's fear suddenly melted away and seemed silly. Toby Lanyard was the gentlest old soul ever set foot on a steamboat, and one of the meekest as well, Marsh called out, "Comin'," and lit a lamp by his bedside before going to open the door.

(...) "You knowed me a long time, Cap'n, you knows I wouldn't lie to you."

"Course I do," said Marsh.

"I wouldn't run off neither. You done give me my freedom and all, jest fer cookin' fer you.

(...) The events of the summer of 1857 became even more dreamlike as, one by one, those who had shared some of Marsh's experiences began to drift out of his life. Old Toby Lanyard had gone east a month after they had returned to St. Louis. Being returned to slavery once had been enough for him, now he wanted to get as far from the slave states as possible. Marsh got a brief letter from him early in 1858, saying that he'd gotten a job cooking in a Boston hotel. After that he never heard from Toby again.

—Fevre Dream

As you can see, Toby is always reminding us that Marsh gave him his freedom so Toby can cook for him . . . .

Toby reminds me a lot of little Missandei. Sweet souls.

And why was Abner Marsh talking that way about the end of slavery with Toby? Well, because he knew how the vampires treated human beings, no matter their skin color. He knew how the vampires treated human beings as slaves. Vampires called humans "The cattle." For Vampires, humans were prey.

That's why we read Abner Marsh, a white man that: "never held much with slavery, even if he never done much against it neither," then saying that "You can’t just go . . . usin’ another kind of people, like they wasn’t people at all."

Very telling, right?

But even Abner Marsh knew that fire and blood must be the last measure: Got to end, sooner or later. Better if it ends peaceful, but it’s got to end even if it has to be with fire and blood, you see? Maybe that’s what them abolitionists been sayin’ all along. You try to be reasonable, that’s only right, but if it don’t work, you got to be ready. Some things is just wrong. They got to be ended.”

I hope this helps.

Thanks for your message :)

realmente cree esa persona que los targs forzando a los reinos ancianos de westeros a aceptar el trono de hierro, quemando a los que se les resistieron con sus dragones no es el imperialismo porque *checks notes* esos reinos también se establecieron usando fuerza???? porque no impusieron su idioma???? o sí por supuesto cuando los españoles conquistaron a los azteca o a los inca in fact no fue imperialismo ni colonialismo porque eran imperios también y todavía hay gente que habla nahuatl y quechua so if you think about it realmente eran soberantes bien benevolentes uwu

Yeah that's their logic, they think we can't hate targies for being conquerors and at the same time love the Stark children, because House Stark ancestors, the First Men ("the conquerors"), more like 8000 years ago, were at war with the Children of the Forest ("the conquered"), then we are hypocrites, we need to judge the Stark children, the ones blessed by the Old Gods, the same way we judge targies, the ones that are so proud to be the blood of Old Valyria.

Their takes are so narrow that they didn't stop to think about how the war between the COTF and the First Men ended with a peace treaty, The Pact of the Isle of Faces.

They are very loud about targies not imposing their religion to Westeros, but they didn't mention the Doctrine of Exceptionalism and the "veiled threats" of parading dragons all over the seven Kingdoms.

They are very loud about targies not imposing their mother tongue to Westeros, but they forget to mention that people in Astapor speak High Valyrian with a growl of the old Ghiscari tongue, that people in Yukai speak a dialect of High Valyrian, different from Astapor's, but similar enough, and that people in Meereen speak a bastard form of High Valyrian, blended with Old Ghiscari.

And of course they will never talk about how the First Men, and much later The Starks, adopted the COTF religion, the Old Gods, and not the other way around.

But at leats they're funny, right? They provide free amusement. I will never get over them describing targs as "GRRM's elves." LMAO

I have read a post saying that Grrm is supporting Dany crusade which can be seen in his work Fevre Dream. Something about Dany ending slavery through Fire and Blood is necessary because peacefully it can't be ended.

Ohhh that's a classic from targies. They love to use this quote from Fevre Dream to justify their fave's campaign in Slaver's Bay:

“You know I never held much with slavery, even if I never done much against it neither. I would of, but those damned abolitionists were such Bible-thumpers. Only I been thinkin’, and it seems to me maybe they was right after all. You can’t just go . . . usin’ another kind of people, like they wasn’t people at all. Know what I mean? Got to end, sooner or later. Better if it ends peaceful, but it’s got to end even if it has to be with fire and blood, you see? Maybe that’s what them abolitionists been sayin’ all along. You try to be reasonable, that’s only right, but if it don’t work, you got to be ready. Some things is just wrong. They got to be ended.”

Toby was looking at him queerly, still absent-mindedly wiping his hands across the front of his apron, back and forth, back and forth. “Cap’n,” he said softly, “you is talkin’ abolition. This here is slave country, Cap’n. You could git kilt fo’ sech talk.”

“Maybe I could, Toby, but right is right, that’s what I say.”

“You done good by ol’ Toby, Cap’n Marsh, givin’ me my freedom and all so’s I could cook fo’ you. That you did.”

—Fevre Dream

Abner Marsh, the Captain of the steamboat Fevre Dream, was a white man that: "never held much with slavery, even if he never done much against it neither." And Toby Lanyard, Marsh's cook, was basically still a slave: “You done good by ol’ Toby, Cap’n Marsh, givin’ me my freedom and all so’s I could cook fo’ you. That you did.”

Let's read more about good old Toby Lanyard:

The cook was a free colored man named Toby Lanyard, who had been with Marsh fourteen years, ever since Marsh tasted his cooking down in Natchez, bought him, and gave him his freedom.

(...) "Jest Toby, Cap'n," came the soft whispered reply.

Marsh's fear suddenly melted away and seemed silly. Toby Lanyard was the gentlest old soul ever set foot on a steamboat, and one of the meekest as well, Marsh called out, "Comin'," and lit a lamp by his bedside before going to open the door.

(...) "You knowed me a long time, Cap'n, you knows I wouldn't lie to you."

"Course I do," said Marsh.

"I wouldn't run off neither. You done give me my freedom and all, jest fer cookin' fer you.

(...) The events of the summer of 1857 became even more dreamlike as, one by one, those who had shared some of Marsh's experiences began to drift out of his life. Old Toby Lanyard had gone east a month after they had returned to St. Louis. Being returned to slavery once had been enough for him, now he wanted to get as far from the slave states as possible. Marsh got a brief letter from him early in 1858, saying that he'd gotten a job cooking in a Boston hotel. After that he never heard from Toby again.

—Fevre Dream

As you can see, Toby is always reminding us that Marsh gave him his freedom so Toby can cook for him . . . .

Toby reminds me a lot of little Missandei. Sweet souls.

And why was Abner Marsh talking that way about the end of slavery with Toby? Well, because he knew how the vampires treated human beings, no matter their skin color. He knew how the vampires treated human beings as slaves. Vampires called humans "The cattle." For Vampires, humans were prey.

That's why we read Abner Marsh, a white man that: "never held much with slavery, even if he never done much against it neither," then saying that "You can’t just go . . . usin’ another kind of people, like they wasn’t people at all."

Very telling, right?

But even Abner Marsh knew that fire and blood must be the last measure: Got to end, sooner or later. Better if it ends peaceful, but it’s got to end even if it has to be with fire and blood, you see? Maybe that’s what them abolitionists been sayin’ all along. You try to be reasonable, that’s only right, but if it don’t work, you got to be ready. Some things is just wrong. They got to be ended.”

I hope this helps.

Thanks for your message :)

*I love the Starks as much as the next person* said the one that in a previous message accused Sansa of poisoning her little cousin.

*but saying that them (The Starks, according to you?), conquering and murdering those who sing the song of the earth is OK because it happened 8000 years ago is disrespectful (...)* The Stark children didn't do that, that was my point mentioning the more than 8000 years that separate the war between the COTF & the First Men and the events happening in the main ASOIAF Books.

I focused my answers in the Stark children and also mentioned how the war between the COTF & the First Men (House Stark ancestors) a couple of times, so maybe you would re-read that part of TWOIAF and realize how that war actually developed and the reasons why it ended in a peace treaty.

You hate the Andals? OK, but try to not confuse them with the First Men. You also love "GRRM's elves"? Kinda contradictory but also OK, because this is fiction.

Yeah, this is fiction and I don't get why are you mixing and confusing fiction with reality so much????

What I said about the Stark children and the war between the COTF & the First Men, is disrespectful to whom??? Again, this is fiction, this is high fantasy somehow based on History here and there, it has nothing to do directly with real life or real History. I don't even believe your sad tragic story because you started insulting me, calling me a lot of names, and then telling me I was scared of answering your consecutive mesagges because I'm sure you were desperately expecting my answer while I was probably living my best life or sleeping. And you even mentioned God . . . . So now that the insults didn't work you come with this kind of what? Gaslighting, guilt-tripping or something?

I won't magically start loving "GRRM's elves," just because it seems to be your personal crusade to make me change my mind or make me feel bad about not worshipping your fave Asoiaf characters.

*Please speak with more care* said the troll crying, insulting me, and trying to manipulate me in my inbox . . . .

genuine question where do stark antis get the idea that starks are colonizers/white supremacist. I see that accusation brought up with no proof. So i’m very confused?

Because the First Men fought a war with the Children of the Forest, and antis made up the simile between the First Men as colonizers and Children of the Forest as natives.

I bet they didn't read about the war between the First Men and the Children of the Forest from The World of Ice and Fire. The war lasted hundred of years and the COTF were not defenseless, they fought with magic and as fiercely as the First Men, but at the end, they made peace and the COTF influence was so strong that the First Men adopted the Old Gods religion.

Conquest is a word more related to Valyrians in general and Targaryen in particular.

And the white supremacist accusations came from a GOT Season 8 scene where two northern girls were afraid of Missandei. But this was something from D&D, maybe from Jeyne Poole's reaction in AGOT:

Jeyne Poole confessed herself frightened by the look of Jalabhar Xho, an exile prince from the Summer Isles who wore a cape of green and scarlet feathers over skin as dark as night, but when she saw young Lord Beric Dondarrion, with his hair like red gold and his black shield slashed by lightning, she pronounced herself willing to marry him on the instant.

—A Game of Thrones - Sansa II

But Sansa Stark was different. Let's compare these book scenes about Princes from the Summer Islands:

Sansa Stark, praising Jalabhar Xho's native garments and dancing with him during her forced wedding with Tyrion Lannister:

Jalabhar Xho was all in feathers, a plumage so fantastic and extravagant that he seemed like to take flight. 

—A Clash of Kings - Sansa VIII

Merry Crane took the floor with the exile prince Jalabhar Xho, gorgeous in his feathered finery. 

(...) The music spun them apart before Sansa could think of a reply. It was Mace Tyrell opposite her, red-faced and sweaty, and then Lord Merryweather, and then Prince Tommen. "I want to be married too," said the plump little princeling, who was all of nine. "I'm taller than my uncle!"

"I know you are," said Sansa, before the partners changed again. Ser Kevan told her she was beautiful, Jalabhar Xho said something she did not understand in the Summer Tongue, and Lord Redwyne wished her many fat children and long years of joy. And then the dance brought her face-to-face with Joffrey.

—A Storm of Swords - Sansa III

Daella Targaryen, daughter of King Jaehareys Targaryen:

Once, in the halls of the Red Keep, Daella had encountered a prince from the Summer Isles in his feathered cloak, and squealed in terror. His black skin had made her take him for a demon.

—The Long Reign—Jaehaerys and Alysanne—Policy, Progeny, and Pain, Fire & Blood

Also this:

“Its basic tenet was simple. The Faith of the Seven had been born in the hills of Andalos of old, and had crossed the narrow sea with the Andals. The laws of the Seven, as laid down in sacred text and taught by the septas and septons in obedience to the Father of the Faithful, decreed that brother might not lie with sister, nor father with daughter, nor mother with son, that the fruits of such unions were abominations, loathsome in the eyes of the gods. All this the Exceptionalists affirmed, but with this caveat: the Targaryens were different. Their roots were not in Andalos, but in Valyria of old, where different laws and traditions held sway. A man had only to look at them to know that they were not like other men; their eyes, their hair, their very bearing, all proclaimed their differences. And they flew dragons. They alone of all the men in the world had been given the power to tame those fearsome beasts, once the Doom had come to Valyria.

“One god made us all, Andals and Valyrians and First Men,” Septon Alfyn would proclaim from his litter, “but he did not make us all alike. He made the lion and the aurochs as well, both noble beasts, but certain gifts he gave to one and not the other, and the lion cannot live as an aurochs, nor an aurochs as a lion. For you to bed your sister would be a grievous sin, ser…but you are not the blood of the dragon, no more than I am. What they do is what they have always done, and it is not for us to judge them.”

—A Time of Testing—The Realm Remade - Birth, Death, and Betrayal Under King Jaehaerys I

White supremacists, who?

Lol and targ fans say with their whole chests that targs are grrm's elves 🤡🤡 they are such clowns.

What can I say? At least they are funny, right?

about this drama:

Am I dumb because I was thinking of two forms to say the same (poc and woman of color) and instead of writing one of those I ended up writing a combination of them???

Are you mocking me because English is not my mother tongue???

Are you being racist, targ lover sick anon??? 👀👀👀

Shocking.

What is worse exactly? I'm not justifying anything. You are the one equating supporting the Stark children with justifying colonialism, imperialism, and forced asimilation . . . . Wow those are big words, anon. Are you sure you really know about them??? 🤔🤔🤔

GRRM's elves??? Yeah right, and I am the one that isn't bright? LOL I suppose that's why you don't mentioned the Doctrine of Exeptionalism . . . .

I'm sorry to disappoint you once again, but my ancestors are proud of me, they bless and protect me all the time, and the tantrum of a targie lover in my inbox won't change that.

"leave the conversation about imperialism to people with sense" said the one that keeps trying to engage me in that conversation vía anon hate 🙃🙃🙃

"people with sense" LMAO

My fave? But of course. Sansa, always Sansa. You don't know more insults and now you need to mention Sansa Stark??? How surprising 🤯

The only one full of poison here is you.

Now seriously, why are you giving me so much importance? Five anon hate messages in a row??? Just because I don't love "GRRM's elves"??? 🙈🤣

Apparently fans saying that Jon being half a Targ fulfill the prophecy. But they forget that despite Jon having Targ blood, he was raised as a Stark and hold same beliefs. Besides many characters fought against Others in show and none of them had Targ blood.

It was the Stark children and their friends. They were the heroes.

Sansa convinced Jon to fight to take Winterfell back, and after they won against the Boltons thanks to the Knights of the Vale that came for Sansa, he was crowned King in the North.

Jon went to Dragonstone to ask for dragonglass to fight against the Others, then went beyond the Wall to capture a wight for the dragon queen to believe him about the Others, then convinced the dragon queen to not fire bomb King's Landing, then went to request a truce with Cersei.

Bran gave the dagger to Arya.

Arya killed the Night King with the dagger.

Then after the Ice threat was defeated, Jon killed the Fire threat, and he did it for Sansa, Arya and Bran.

Basically, they reenact the legend of the Last Hero with his band of twelve brothers and their dog with the help of the Children of the Forest.