-return from death-

Season 2 c!drunz!

The prison’s wet cat

we dont fear death anymore, call me back down to earth and nothing will stand in our way

this is what im thinking, in the end its exactly the heros self sacrifice death they always wanted

Oops you’ve stumbled across the secret meeting of a wolf and a necromancer

Unfortunately they now have to kill you :/

(wolf punz stageduo thingy)

“Punz taking charge~” ❤️ 

- Dream

MY BRAIN IS BUZZING SO MUCH RIGHT NOW I LOVE DRUNZ I LOVE CDREAM I LOVE LORE I LOVE CTOMMY AND CTUBBO GG TUBBO FOR KILLING DREAM THAT WAS SO SLAY OF YOU GG PUMZ FOR REVIVING DREAM THAT WAS ALSO REALLY AKFJEJEJIEJFNF

STAGEDUO/DRUNZ FANS

May I humbly request you join an rp discord as punz? I need allies.

It's called Not The Dsmp, @tntduobrainrot 's post for details

I just think there is something poetic about the two of them probably being corrupted by death magic

Theory: Does c!Punz have the revival book himself ?

In the lore video we did see c!Dream show c!Punz's book. But did him actually memorize it like c!Dream ?

In case, If he did:

In the Final Disc War, c!Punz's role is more than just a spy, he is the decisive overriding factor, the trump card

People won't be able to value c!Dream's life over the revival ability is a true fact, but if in case anything goes wrong that take away his final life, c!Punz is here to save the game.

C!Dream can not die, because c!Punz has the revival, that's why they believe in the plans, that might be why they have the nerves to send c!Dream to sacrifice his own life even if its just staged.

Then why didn't c!Dream give up in the torture and call for his allies's help ?

As far as we know, one of the staged finale's goals is to make everyone on the server believe that c!Punz is not an ally.

If c!Dream gave up in suicidal, the reasult will be the potential that c!Punz will act on himself and therefore, reveal himself

C!Punz reveals himself means: There is another owner of the revival book and not just c!Dream. C!Dream has allies.

The first is more dangerous than the last.

So as "easy" as it can be to give up on the agony and gore, c!Dream can't. The perfect aim on his head must be repainted over and over again so people won't give up on the idea that there is only one powerful and strong revival book exist, who is too selfish and "power thirsty" to share.

The questions is how much did c!Dream trust c!Punz to acknowledge it, or how much he value the book for it to be a secret.

Since i'd argue about how people say c!Dream doesn't trust c!Punz enough. Things hard to explain is things hard to explain. (But it doesnt mean its a healthy relationship either)

So in this essay I will talk about c!Stageduo potential angst—

STAGEDUO ENJOYERS HOW ARE WE FEELING?

C!Dream get sick really easily after prison

And c!Punz have to deal with him

fuck it. c!punz + c!dream manifesto bc what else am i going to do at university. study ? nahhh 

the first thing i want to be clear about is that i like c!drunz. they’re a very important duo (they were explicitly paralleled with c!CLINGYDUO for god’s sake) and the point of this isn’t to diminish their importance to each other. i ALSO want to say that the point of this isn’t to be like, super aggressively /neg towards any one character (even tho i am, admittedly, a self-proclaimed c!drolo) or to demonize them. and finally, that this is just the way i see them, not necessarily the views of anyone else (though i’ve very much been inspired by talking to certain friends abt the Blorbos (tm) for obvious reasons.)

all of that out of the way, onto the c!dream and c!punzisms . i have no plan for this post it’s probably gonna be messy as fuck . but i think first and foremost it’s important to acknowledge that c!dream and c!punz, each are characters with their own goals. a lot of the finale is about c!dream’s side of this, especially in terms of how much he lost sight of what he actually wanted (and i still have to do a rewatch of the 3rd finale stream just to parse through ALL THE SHIT HE SAID bc jfc man . what.) and how a lot of what he wanted were a lot simpler than he allowed himself to realize. 

but on the flip side of this, obviously, is c!punz. who also has his own motivations, and as is shown in the finale ... these motivations exist in a space that is . in a lot of ways. directly incompatible with what c!dream actually wants. c!punz is representative of The Plan. he calls the desires that c!dream and c!tommy share “simple-minded.” he wants to unlock the secrets of the universe just because he can. 

(and it’s worth recognizing that c!dream’s initial reaction to the existence of supernatural powers beyond his understanding on the server was to freak the fuck out, to the point of the prison’s construction being EXPLICITLY as a result of said discovery. Does c!dream want to understand things in order to Fix Them? Certainly. but i would hardly characterize his initial response to the supenatural as being, uh, impassioned curiosity of the unknown, so to speak.) 

c!punz has motivations that aren’t c!dream’s motivations. that’s ,, kind of the point of a lot of what was going on in that last finale stream! c!punz wants to Know Shit. he wants to elevate himself above simple-minded desires. he really,,, wasn’t convinced or swayed the same way dream was when tommy tried to get him to have a heart to heart, and actively discouraged him from continuing to talk about what he actually wanted. and again this isn’t to say that c!punz didn’t care or that he was trying to hurt c!dream or otherwise was trying to act in a way that was malicious towards him but all that still happened you know and speaks to a fundamental difference in the driving forces between these two characters. c!dream and c!punz are each characters with DESIRES and MOTIVES and they’re,, not always on the same page w/ regards to what said desires and motives actually are. 

and, yk, it’s not to say that two characters with different motivations can’t work together or have a relationship that’s rendered completely impossible by their differing desires. but a lot of what defines c!dream and c!punz has a lot to do with c!punz As The Plan, which is significant when you consider how much of The Plan is about both outward and self-destruction for c!dream. this in itself doesn’t completely throw their relationship over a cliff, even if it’s a huge disparity that has a lot of implications when we consider how unaddressed it was by the characters until the last stream of the finale, where c!dream and c!punz are markedly NOT on the same page about what they want. but that kind of brings me to my other point of what’s...really important to c!drunz, at least to me. which is how it’s so often defined by inaction. 

because, yeah, c!punz was always on c!dream’s side (except for that period of time in Pogtopia where he wasn’t, lol.) and yeah, c!punz was the one person he trusted with a lot of the details about his plan to Save The World and whatever. but also the separation between the two was so important that it was quite literally the cornerstone that ended up ensuring their joint survival; it was crucial post-staged finale that no one knew they were working together. c!punz started on c!dream’s side because he was a mercenary for hire. a degree of alienation has always been a part of their dynamic down to the finale, and is also an extremely IMPORTANT part of their dynamic if we consider c!dream’s silence to c!punz calling them friends. 

i find the post-prison era to be most damning about this point in particular, but just look at staged finale in itself: one one hand, c!punz and c!dream were in on a plan to fool the entire server, which spoke a lot to the level of trust involved there. on the other hand, c!punz took a very active and physical role in literally locking c!dream up in his personal hell. c!ranboo took a more significant role after he was locked up than c!punz (which, like, again makes SENSE re. security. but. like. that absence still speaks volumes)--like c!punz as an enabler, c!punz as someone physically cut off from c!dream...that’s a pattern. 

and again, when we look at the state of them after the prison, the absence is even more damning. c!punz specifically (even when considering c!dream’s obvious role in the planning) gets c!dream killed twice in staged finale and then you know, has him metaphorically killed when he’s put in the prison. and then AFTER the prison, we have three specific cases at the very least: c!punz’s signal in the scrapped lore is what ends with c!dream being trapped by both of his torturers, c!punz’s involvement in the Las Nevadas revenge plan nearly gets c!dream killed either by the slime army or if he was in c!purpled’s position at the top of that tower, and his running away from Las Nevadas is explicitly what allowed c!tommy to stalk him for weeks and end up breaking in and killing him. Not to mention how that ends up leading up to both of them getting trapped in the prison with a nuke about to come down over the server. 

and obviously c!dream almost dying/literally dying in all of these post-prison scenarios isn’t Part Of The Plan or something that c!punz actually wants, right, but also...where was he? what did he do to prevent this from happening? c!dream was stalked for literal MONTHS after las nevadas and we see no mention of c!punz being around,,, at all? (we KNOW he wasn’t visibly around in any way considering c!tommy thought that c!punz was still on his side, even.) c!dream didn’t LEAVE the prison for weeks after LN and c!punz wasn’t around? this is with c!punz obviously knowing that c!dream was going to confront his TORTURER. and he wasn’t watching from the sidelines? like, forget c!tommy, c!sapnap found about c!dream’s place of residence IN JANUARY and was apparently still harassing him outside IN JUNE. people broke into that prison to threaten dream multiple times !! like ? 

and god it’s not to say that c!punz didn’t care--his anger speaks for itself--but it’s important to acknowledge that that distance existed and was actively detrimental to c!dream’s safety. fuck, the ANGER in itself was detrimental to c!dream. c!punz’s defining characteristic according to the cc is his anger, when he’s not putting on a persona for the rest of the server,,, and this anger was doing c!dream no favors. we could see that in the finale. we could see that as he literally spent months upon months wasting away in the prison AFTER RECLAIMING THE KEYCARDS and apparently just spent all his fucking time in that place. we can see that when c!punz’s anger leads to c!dream confronting LN which ends up with him staying in the prison without moving for weeks on end, when c!punz’s anger leads to him reviving c!dream minutes after he dies in front of c!clingyduo which ends up leading to the events that prompt them to nuke the fucking server. 

like, ultimately, c!dream and c!punz are characters that had each other and only each other in terms of people who knew the truth abt each other’s plans. they care about each other’s safety. they also have inherently incompatible individual motivations and were severely alienated from each other in ways that carried out throughout their relationship into the finale, and these differences are what defined finale c!dream and c!punz the way they ended up being. and yes, a lot of these decisions were exacerbated by the hostility of the environment they lived in and how being c!dream’s ally was a death sentence. yes, a lot of this has to do with the logical benefits of standing apart so that they could revive each other in case something went wrong. and yes, this has to do with c!dream’s being extremely fucking mentally ill and delusional from the beginning of when their partnership became more defined, after c!dream received the revive book, lost every other ally, and went on a paranoid spiral that ended up with him in pandora. but it’s the differences and the isolation that to me, make this pair in particular so compelling and IMPORTANT in canon. 

Anyway wanna hear my copuim on C!Drunz duo?

Manifest c!Punz was just stucking in limbo rn and will revive himself in S2.

Because the only three people we see in S2 is ClinglyDuo and Dream. Dream said "you don't even know what's death" to Tommy, who experience Limbo before. So what's death, what's the true-final death. Is that only three of them "achieve" the true death and get sent to their new life.

What if C!Punz is still alive (in limbo) but its too late to save C!Dream, you can't revive an alive person just as much as you can't kill a nonexist (death book rule)

Anyway "you don't even know if we can revive ourselves, you don't know anything" sound like a foreshadowing to me.

they were holding hands throughout the whole speech