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mira--mira · 3 years

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Ok so, questions for OoT: Do Hashi + Madara cheer when Rock Lee kicks Sasuke's ass? If that still happens. Do they save Lee from getting his leg + arm crushed by Gaara's sand? Do Kabuto + Hashirama ever fight one another? If so, does Hashi kick Kabuto's ass? What does Hashi think of Kabuto's regeneration ability? Do Tsuande + Hashirama ever team up + kick ass? Please, I need this so bad. Also maybe Hashi hugging Tsunade when she has her freak out over seeing blood? Please? Does Madara face off with Itachi after Hiruzen dies (if Hiruzen still does die)? Do Hashi + Madara manage to save Sasuke from getting beaten by Itachi when Itachi + Sasuke see one another again in canon, when Naruto is doing his training with Jiraiya? (Also please tell me Madara at least stabs Jiraiya for stealing all of Naruto's saving when Jiraiya had plenty of money himself, AND was supposed to financially support Naruto as Naruto's godfather. If Madara doesn't just outright steal/demand Jiraiya give Naruto his money back or pay him back. That bothered me so much in canon.) I haven't been able to keep up with out of fic stuff in a while because of irl stuff, so I'm sorry if you've already answered these. Just link me, please, if you have?

Hey no worries! OoT is a monster that takes most of my energy to manage, lol, I don't expect everyone to be able to keep up with everything so please don't feel bad or like you're bothering me by asking! I haven't answered most of these questions, I'll answer a few below the cut but not quite all because 1. got to keep a few secrets :P and 2. I don't have specific answers to all of them yet either lol!

Do Hashi + Madara cheer when Rock Lee kicks Sasuke's ass?

Doesn't quite progress to that point! All of Team 7 and Gai's team go out for Sasuke and Lee's fight (here with a slightly different set up and explanation for why Gai's team was outside of the room bc that scene still irritates me in canon lol) but Team 13 gets lost (read: Hashirama and Madara not used to big buildings like the school and Sai laughing as they stumble around) and wanders in right before the fight happens and interrupts it. Even if they had been watching and not interfering they wouldn't be cheering outright I'd say. Hashirama has nothing against Sasuke and neither really does Madara. He doesn't has a grudge from the clan head duel, but Sasuke is a walking trigger for his own trauma that he subconsciously avoids.

Do they save Lee from getting his leg + arm crushed by Gaara's sand?

😶 The Tenten v Gaara fight happens and she's pissed at him so...

Do Kabuto + Hashirama ever fight one another? If so, does Hashi kick Kabuto's ass?

Not in the chunin arc (maybe in search for Tsunade, but probably not? Honestly idk at this point). Kabuto has a very good sense of self-preservation and he pegged them almost immediately as weird kids that he does not want to get involved with.

What does Hashi think of Kabuto's regeneration ability?

Honestly idk. I'm still trying to figure out how to classify it in a way. It's not from the mokuton, that really wouldn't make sense with my lore, but I'm not sure what else it stems from. I'm open to ideas and reactions to this, if anyone wants to suggest something! Otherwise I might make it where Kabuto doesn't have a regeneration ability, but he's such a competent medic, it's like he mimics the ability.

Do Tsuande + Hashirama ever team up + kick ass? Please, I need this so bad. Also maybe Hashi hugging Tsunade when she has her freak out over seeing blood? Please?

Yes, eventually. Their meetings are...rough at first. Hashirama and Madara know how Madara dies at this point and Hashirama has a grudge the size of the five elemental countries against his edo self (which will also be revealed if it's him or a parallel version by this point 😉) and he connects Tsunade to that at first and it puts an initial strain on their relationship. Add in Hashirama is very different from the "god of shinobi" Tsunade grew up with, 5 imo is too young to recognize the flaws and humanity in parents/grandparents so she doesn't have that perspective, and it leads to a clash. Not to mention the giant elephant in the room, Madara, and well...it's just a tough family reunion. I will say though the longer the fic goes on the bigger the "ripples" and canon divergences will be. There's a big moment at the end of the chunin arc that impacts...pretty much everything else in drastic ways. Just be prepared for a pretty sharp diverge!

Does Madara face off with Itachi after Hiruzen dies (if Hiruzen still does die)?

Hiruzen does die but I'm going to be mum about the rest of this 😉 Note I do have plans though 👀

Do Hashi + Madara manage to save Sasuke from getting beaten by Itachi when Itachi + Sasuke see one another again in canon, when Naruto is doing his training with Jiraiya?

Another one that's a mix of I have ideas but not solid enough to commit yet lol. Also the big spoiler at the end of chunin will affect this as you'll see!

Also please tell me Madara at least stabs Jiraiya for stealing all of Naruto's saving when Jiraiya had plenty of money himself, AND was supposed to financially support Naruto as Naruto's godfather. If Madara doesn't just outright steal/demand Jiraiya give Naruto his money back or pay him back. That bothered me so much in canon.

Oh fam, let me just say Madara and Jiraiya do not get along and the hate is mutual. Madara is 12 and he's going to fight that old man for custody of another 12 y/o and win. The money issue will definitely be brought up and dealt with. He, and all of Team 13 really, has zero tolerance for Jiraiya. I try to avoid the cliche "bashing" fic style, but I'm not going to shy away from Jiraiya's shitty canonical behavior and the "heart of gold pervert" is a character archetype that I loathe with the passion of a thousand suns. He's not getting excused for that either. Tsunade and Jiraiya have a complicated relationship with two people (three with Orochimaru) have experienced war and some of the absolute worst that humanity has had to offer and only each other to depend on...but then that trusted friend betrayed you and your boundaries and treating you like an object not a person and suddenly your entire relationship can never be the same (ie the peeping in the bath and almost killing him scene isn't going to be treated like a cute little jokey-joke~ Top 10 things I hated in canon, I can write an entire long post about this alone lol.)

#naruto #asks #saiyanblood2 #madara uchiha #hashirama senju #tsunade #anti jiraiya #just in case #long post #out of time #out of time spoilers

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creative-type · 6 years

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The Problem with the Chunin Exams

Though I didn’t know it at the time, Naruto was my first anime and my first anime love. I was exposed to it through the American dub as a kid without realizing it was Japanese or based on a comic. In my defense, this was before we had internet at my house, and at best I was only able to watch it every other weekend because my dad had cable and my mom didn’t.

I dropped the anime when it started into filler hell and switched over to the manga in high school. I started at the timeskip and caught up to the weekly release around the Naruto-Kakuzu fight. Over the years I grew dissatisfied with the story, though I don’t really have a single moment where I gave up on it entirely. There was a slow decrease in excitement, going from eagerly waiting for the latest spoilers, to reading each chapter as they released, to dropping the manga entirely, and only picking it up again to see the final arc through and being incredibly frustrated with the finale, wondering week to week just where things went wrong.

All this to say, I’m not writing this as a hater. I loved Naruto like I love precious few stories, and though I don’t feel that way now doesn’t stop the series from holding a special place in my childhood. I reread the first 87 chapters to prepare for this - seeing many of them in the manga for the first time - and what I read reinforced what I’ve thought for a long time:

The Chunin Exam arc occurred too early in the series. My reasoning is under the cut, but be warned that long post is long. I regret nothing.

I don’t want this post to turn into a Naruto bash-fest to make One Piece look better in comparison, but in my analysis of the build up to the Arlong Park arc, one of the points I tried to make was that by letting the series build organically to an emotional peak tho “big moments” don’t feel cheap and are much more powerful to the reader.

Naruto starts much faster than One Piece does. It establishes Naruto as a character, introduces Team 7, and gets through the Wave Mission arc by chapter 33. In comparison, chapter 33 for One Piece was the middle of Usopp’s recruitment arc and had yet to have the series’s first, for lack of a better term, epic moments.

The problem for Naruto is that the Chunin Exam arc starts in chapter 34 with the introduction of the Sand Siblings. There’s no time to wind back down, no time for the audience to catch its breath, and no time to explore some of the milestones that were made in the Land of Waves.

And I’m not just talking power ups here, although that would be nice. There are several emotional significant moments for several different characters that are left hanging. I think the most obvious is Sasuke, so we’ll start with him

Team Seven’s Lost Development

Sasuke has a ton of focus even in these early chapters before the Uchia’s took over the plot, and I think it would be fair to say that Naruto and Sasuke are less main character and rival and more deuteragonists with branching stories that interconnect at key points of their lives.

This is taken from when Sasuke saves Naruto from Haku during the climax of the arc. Note the past tense. At this point in time, Sasuke no longer hates Naruto. Through the whole Wave arc there have been moments showing the evolution from Naruto and Sasuke’s relationship from a bitter one-sided rivalry into them actually acting like teammates. The Naruto-Saskuke dynamic is arguably the most important thing in the entire series, and the audience can’t be expected to believe later on that they have this super strong friendship without scenes like this.

Then immediately after the Wave arc we get this

The relationship has soured once more. Sakua even says a few pages later that their relationship is worse than it was before the mission.

I don’t call shenanigans on scenes like this because Naruto and Sasuke are both emotionally stunted orphans unused to interpersonal relationships. There’s a good chance that they don’t know how they’re supposed to react after going through such an emotional life or death scenario.

However, I can and will call shenanigans on events like the Valley of the End or the entirety of Part II because the author never shows Naruto and Sasuke growing beyond this petty antagonism. Instead of being written as two outcasts regressing to avoid dealing with the feels of the Wave arc, the Naruto-Sasuke dynamic stinks of sticking to the status quo.

Sasuke and Naruto aren’t the only ones hit with this, but I tend to give Sakura more of a pass because her character growth happens during the Exams. There are several little hints of Sakura’s increasing awareness of how far behind she is from the boys sprinkled throughout to early exam chapters before hitting the bulk of her character arc during the Forest of Death. There’s even a nice little moment during the written exam where she actually considers someone other than Sasuke for what feels like the first time in the series

The problem here is that this development isn’t given enough set up. I would trade six panels of Sasuke looking cool to see just one interaction between Sakura and her parents. It is absolutely abysmal character writing that we learn about Sakura’s former friendship with Ino from Shikimaru and their rivalry from a freaking info box

Why did Sakura become a ninja? What do her civilian parents think about her being in life-threatening situations as a 12 year old girl? How does she feel about being the only (besides Naruto, as far as she knows) to graduate without a bloodline or family jutsu? What’s the deal with her “Inner Sakura”, is she just repressed, or is there some sort of split personality going on there? Does she have a crush on Sasuke for any reason other than his alleged cuteness? Why didn’t she ever apologize to Naruto for saying that she was jealous he was an orphan, even though he wasn’t present at the time?

Whether intentional or not, Kishimoto made Sakura a very unlikable character early on. I for one remember despising her when first watching the series. And you know what, that’s okay. Each member of Team 7 has enormous personality flaws, and having them slowly overcome said flaws makes for a strong narrative.

The thing is, it takes more time to develop an unsympathetic character than it does one who is sympathetic, and Sakura gets the least character development out of all Team 7 (Kakashi included). This is exacerbated by the fact that she is physically the weakest and does the least during fights - a huge flaw for a main character in a battle manga to have.

Lastly, Sakura’s greatest assets - her intelligence and superior chakra control - are rarely presented as useful. In fact, during her fight with Ino she falls into a basic trap, and the only thing that saves Sakura is her willpower...split personality...whatever the Inner Sakura is. It’s not really made clear and never shows up again.

And speaking of ignored plot points, remember this?

Do you remember Kakashi’s reaction to the possible weakening of the seal keeping in the Nine-Tailed Fox? You know, the innately evil demon monster that can level mountains with just one of its tails?

Yeah, that never gets addressed before the Chunin Exams.

Sakura and Sasuke have an excuse because they didn’t actually see Naruto, but Kakashi is never shown pulling Naruto aside and asking him what happened or taking steps to keep it from happening again. Naruto - the Leaf Village’s Number 1 loudmouth ninja - never asks what happened or is worried that he might lose control to a monster.

Also recall that Naruto decides on his Ninja Way during the Wave arc, yelling it out for everyone to hear because of how upset he was about having to fight and nearly kill someone he liked. This clashes with the current system, a fact Kakashi points out, but Kakashi doesn’t warn Naruto about the potential dangers of this line of thinking, nor are the ramifications of having kids act as child soldiers ever explored.

It’s things like this that make the time taken between major arcs so, so, so important. Not only does it give the characters (and audience) time to process what happened, but quiet moments can lead to incredible character growth, or at least set up later growth that in turn becomes more powerful and realistic because it was properly set up to begin with.

Establishing Secondary Characters

When rereading the primaries for the third round of the exams, three fights stick out as carrying the most emotional weight: Rock Lee vs Gaara, Hinata vs Neji, and Sakura vs Ino.

I’ve already touched on the travesty of the Sakura-Ino rivalry, and while Rock Lee was also introduced during the exams, his motivation and character were established pretty well during the early parts of the arc.

That leaves us with Hinata vs Neji (and later on Naruto vs Neji). Now, out of the Leave genin introduced during the exams, only Ino and Hinata have any real connection to Team 7, and considering Hinata’s place as possible love interest to the main character, she’s arguably the most important to the narrative. Not that she’s ever treated that way, but I digress. Her wholehearted, albeit silent, support for Naruto sets her apart from almost every other character thus far, and her timid, gentle nature is a nice contrast to, well, almost every other character thus far.

(In case it’s not apparent, I really enjoyed Hinata in Part I. I’ll try to keep my bias to a minimum)

In addition, Hinata brings a nice spin on the “hard work trumps natural talent” theme that at this point was important to the story. Unlike Rock Lee and Naruto who (supposedly) are neither talented nor from powerful families, Hinata is a character from a powerful family who has no talent, and has to work past her weakness and overcome the burden of being the heir of one of Konoha’s most prominent families.

We learn none of this until her fight with Neji.

Time is an integral part of tension, and previously establishing conflict would go a long way in getting rid of some of the more awkward exposition dumps. For the Hinata-Neji fight Kishimoto has to explain 1) the byakugan 2) the gentle fist style 3) chakra points 4) how Neji and Hinata are related 5) Hinata’s struggle to better herself and 6) Neji hatred of the main house/fatalist mindset.

That is a ton of information to try to get across in a short period of time, and this isn’t an isolated thing. These mega info dumps aren’t quite as pronounced during Rock Lee and Sakura’s fights, but they’re certainly there. To be fair, it can be hard to convey to the reader what’s going on without some kind of commentator character, but nothing kills the flow of a fight by cutting away from it constantly.

Lastly - and this is again pulling back and looking at the series as a whole - Hinata is basically ignored after this fight, so whatever character development she gets is lessened because there’s no followup.

To be fair, I am just talking about Hinata in this instance. Neji goes through significant growth during the rest of Part I before being mostly ignored in Part II. Because of her injuries Hinata a non-factor during the invasion, and obviously she wasn’t picked to recruit Tsunde or retrieve Sasuke.

This lack of focus has the unfortunate side effect of making the Hinata-Neji fight nothing more than a reason to hype the Naruto-Neji fight. Don’t get me wrong, there’s nothing wrong with hype, and in fact it’s necessary when looking at the arc as a whole. At the same time, it’s also clear Kishi had no idea how to handle the ensemble cast he’d created during the exams.

This mishandling of secondary characters becomes an even bigger issue during Part II, when Shikimaru becomes the only one of the former rookies to get any sort of character focus. Hinata is a favorite of mine, but I don’t buy her love confession anymore than I do Sakura’s, because she’s never seen interacting with Naruto. She is in love with the idea of who she thinks he is (much like Sakura and Sasuke, to be honest. Maybe Kishi should just stay away from romantic subplots.)

I mean, it’s well over 100 chapters before Hinata’s confession is even addressed in canon. I don’t think they have a word for how terrible that kind of writing is.

Fixing the Problem of the Chunin Exams

It can be almost impossible to have “slow” chapters while trying stay up in Shonen Jump’s popularity polls, and I don’t envy the mangaka trying to plan their manga under crushing schedule of weekly serialization, but using the power of retrospect, this is how I would have gone about fixing the problem of the chunin exams.

Firstly, I would have had at least a few of the other rookies be present in the first chapters. Ino would have been a good one to slip in the background when introducing Sakura.

Secondly, I would show the entire rescue the Fire Lady’s cat mission. This might seem stupid, but it would give a baseline for Team 7′s teamwork ability, and give Sakura a chance to show off her brain. For example, Naruto and/or Sasuke could attempt a simple henge only for Sakura to tell them that a cat will still be able to smell them. Something simple like that to establish she’s not absolutely useless.

Thirdly, during the Wave arc I would have Kakashi assign Sakura alternate training, planting the first seed of how far behind the boys she is in terms of ability. This could be anything from working on a jutsu to practicing infiltration to being responsible for setting up booby traps around the house for protection (which would not only make her immediately useful in the Wave arc, but be a nice call forward to the traps she sets during the Forest of Death).

I’d have Team 7 run into Asuma, Ino, Choji, and Shikimaru upon returning from Wave, introducing the concept of the Rookie 9 and Sakura’s rivalry. I would also have Naruto ask Sasuke if they want to train together sometime. In this scenario Sasuke reluctantly agrees, but during the training Naruto asks who Sasuke’s brother is and why Sasuke would want to kill him. This goes about as well as can be expected, thus souring their relationship into the canon state I pointed out earlier.

Forced to train alone, Naruto runs across Hinata working on her taijutsu after Kiba and Shino have gone home for the night. I don’t know if Hinata’s shyness would let her speak in such a situation, but Naruto sees how hard she’s training and tells her to keep up the good work.

Alternately

Team 7 could run across Team Gai at some point, and the audience is introduced to Kakashi and Gai’s rivalry. The Sasuke vs Lee fight from the exams is moved here, while Neji acts like enough of a douche for Naruto to hate him on principle. I kind of like the idea of Sasuke respecting Lee for working to beat someone stronger than he is, which would give Sasuke an added anchor to the village outside of Naruto (for added tragedy when he defects/humanizing him in the present) and give another reason for Lee to chase after Sasuke later in the series.

I would also put a scene where Kakashi asks Naruto about what happened when the seal weakened and/or telling the Hokage about the fox. This would also be a good time for Naruto to first contemplate telling Sakura and Sasuke that he’s a vessel for the fox.

No matter what happened, I would do a repeat of the team’s first cat mission just to show off how far our band of lovable ninjas has come.

Lastly, when Kakashi hands out the application for the exams I would have Sakura talk to her parents about it, or at the very least get their reaction. It would not only give Sakura greater depth but also be a good chance for some world building.

All of this could be done in a chapter or two and without breaking the flow to the exams. Hell, Kishi could have sent them on another C Ranked mission to another country and get in some sorely-needed world building and set up some of the political side of the chunin exams. The possibilities are endless.

In Conclusion

The older I get, the more convinced I become that it’s the stuff that goes on between major story beats that’s most important when developing a story’s emotional tone. It’s a little thing, but it gives a story depth. Unfortunately, it’s a thing that Kishimoto failed to do, and it’s a flaw that only worsened as time went on.

Agree of disagree, thanks for taking the time to read the ramblings of a disenchanted fan. Going over these early chapters reminded me of how good early Naruto was, flaws and all. I don’t regret all the time I’ve put into this series over the years regardless of the omnishambles it turned out to be.

But hey, at least there’s fanfiction.

#naruto #analysis #manga #Sasuke #Sakura #Hinata #Writing #Kakashi #creative-type analyzes

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bouncyirwin · 7 years

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1. KakaSaku: why is KakaSaku your otp? Is there any particular tropes, or was there something you find in this ship you can't find in others? Do you believe KakaSaku had an opportunity in the manga for the idea of canon? How would you picture it? Do believe it would be controversial (the age gap)? Side pairings (like NH or ShikaTema)? And how do you deal with Sakura and Sasuke's relationship (brOTP, one night stand, etc.) canon-wise with a KakaSaku endgame? (2)

Hmm, I’ll have to go a little down memory lane for this one. I’ve been in the Naruto fandom for over ten years, ever since I was a little child. As a kid, I initially shipped SasuSaku. I was naive and too wrapped up with the idea of ‘first love is true love’. That continued for many years, in fact, up until the beginning of last year. At this point I have left the fandom and came back to it after many years. You could probably imagine I was happy when I found out they were canon at first… but then post-700 happened.

I was shocked. That’s the worst story one could be given for a pairing they like. It repulsed me. I was forced to take a step back and see Sasuke for what he truly is: a deadbeat dad. A cold husband. A selfish man.

I was forced to reevaluate everything I thought he would be. Sasuke is not prince charming, he’s not a good human, he’s not a sane human. I’m not saying that it’s entirely his fault, I’m not denying the circumstances he was dealt anon, but it doesn’t change that it shaped him into a horrible being. Do I blame him for turning evil/leaving Konoha? No. I don’t. I probably would have done the same.

So we’ve established he’s not a good person. Even if he’s shown to have gone out roaming the world for 'redemption’.

On the other hand, Sakura may have been a little mean as a kid, but she obviously matured and outgrew that. These are possible character developments. You could go from being mean to someone to being nice to them at that point of your life (12 years old). But you can’t go from wanting to kill someone to wanting to marry them, not only is it terrifying but also… impossible.

So here I kinda realised wow dude, this pair kinda sucks.

I’m an anxious person by nature, also I value security above all. There is no way I would want Sakura to be with someone as emotionally unbalanced and unforgiving as Sasuke. Someone who at some point wanted to get rid of her —tried to get rid of her.

Just a bit before I had that conclusion about SasuSaku I discovered the most awesome beautiful thing ever: KakaSaku.

At first, I was like, oh my god, no, my OTP is SasuSaku. I think they’re cute but… that’s as far as liking them goes. Wrong. I was hooked.

They made so much sense I’m amazed I didn’t notice before but through reading fan fiction I discovered their potential.

Kakashi and Sakura are both dedicated ninja. They both put their teammates first. They balance out each other rather nicely, Kakashi could use someone bright and caring like Sakura to heal his soul. They’re both extremely smart, and equally balanced in power. Neither of them would look down on the other or bash them.

Sakura is strong and dedicated but I feel like sometimes she lacks confidence. Kakashi would lift her up, not break her down like Sasuke seems to do (after he left Konoha so if anyone’s reading this don’t start pulling managa screeshots pointing evidence of 12 year old Sasuke being 'supportive’)

I just like the balance between them, a harmony I can’t seem to find anywhere else. Look at every other ship, each one seems to have a dominant person, be it the woman or the man, which I dislike. Relationship/marriage should be about equality and balance, not dominance.

The manga didn’t nearly have as many KS hints as the anime but what does it matter to me? If Kishi doesn’t know how to pick two people with appropriate personalities for each other, that isn’t my fault. Look at his canon ships and how he portrays them, it’s truly repulsive. NaruHina had so much potential goddamn and he absolutely slaughtered it. He clearly built up for NaruSaku and he also clearly changed his mind around the end. SP then turned Hinata into 'Sakura’ instead of giving her a unique personality. Repulsive I tell you.

I really don’t believe the age gap matter would be a big deal. They’re ninja, they could literally die any day. To them they don’t even think they would live past 40. Why restrain them with silly things like age?

What does age signify anyway? Maturity. Do you really believe a person who’s been killing since they were 12, exposed to every nasty thing in the world would lack in maturity/self -discovery to be with an older person?

I don’t think it’s the age people might protest against, but rather their previous status of teacher and student but we all know Sakura’s real teacher is Tsunade. Kakashi is simply her team captain.

I don’t understand your question about NH and ShikaTema but if you’re asking my opinion of them, here: both had a lot of potential. One got an okay ending and the other sucked ass.

The amount of damage that was dealt to NH is ridiculous. I could’ve done a better job giving them a more realistic/not forced ending. Kishi seems to forget the concept of 'build up’ when writing romance. It’s like he pulled NaruHina out of his ass. Everything is cliche and gross; Naruto, an absent father. Hinata portrayed as the 'scary’ parent which just doesn’t go with her character (again, they tried to pull a Sakura but it ain’t workin). Hinata sending Boruto, a GENIN, one who cheated during his exams because he couldn’t win without doing so, to fight gods, telling him to 'take care of his dad’. Excuse me but what kind of mother does that? How could she just send her son to fight ninja that managed to capture her husband the freakin Hokage?? I don’t care if he resembles Naruto, no one can believe in their child that blindly, it’s just so damn unrealistic. Besides, everyone now is trying to shove down our throat that Hinata is a 'kickass shinobi’ who is 'better’ than Sakura, so why doesn’t she go fight to get her husband back?

I don’t hate Hinata. I just dislike what’s been done to her character. Just because she’s an average Kunoichi it doesn’t mean she can’t end up with Naruto without being given Sakura’s personality. They’re trying to change her character entirely. It’s gross. They’re trying to make her sound stronger than she actually is.

As for ShikaTema, I don’t have much trouble besides making Temari a stay-at-home wife. That’s not her personality at all.

Same goes for Sakura. She’s a kickass medic. Put her as head medic at the hospital not a woman dusting shelves.

If KakaSaku were to be endgame, I believe that would happen with Sakura spending time with Kakashi and discovering what being with real men is like. I believe she’d fall in love with Kakashi. Maybe even cheat on Sasuke, as unpleasant as the concept is (although I don’t blame her if she does), get a divorce, grab her daughter and leave. She’d marry Kakashi, because he’d give a shit about her child, he’d help care for if, he’d love and protect her. He’d be there for her. Basically, Kakashi would know how to be a good and respectful partner.

I apologise if jumping from answering something to the other is confusing. Thanks for the question!

#tl;dr #kakasaku #asks

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shannaro-kamo · 7 years

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SasuSaku Meta Masterpost

This post has comprehensive lists of large swaths of the SasuSaku meta on Tumblr. I’m including both my own posts and those made by others. Some of the links under “Others’ posts” link to my reblog rather than the original post so that if someone deactivates their blog and thus the original post, it’ll still be possible to view the post on my blog (without me having to go back and find my reblog). This is for my own sanity, and hopefully this will come in handy for the SS fandom in general. :)

My posts

Sakura’s actions, feelings, etc.

Sakura tries to understand Sasuke during the war

Sakura’s knowledge of Sasuke and his past is extensive

Karin was not more selfless than Sakura by any means

It’s impossible for Sakura to be selfish and a doormat at the same time—especially because she is neither of those things

Sakura understands Sasuke better than most antis ever will

Sakura vs. Hinata

Sakura doesn’t guilt trip Naruto

Ino and Sakura

Sakura tries to learn all she can about Sasuke to help him

Ino and Sakura, again

Sakura’s guilt etc.

Sasuke’s actions, feelings, etc.

Sasuke needed to sever his bond with Sakura to become “strong,” just as he had to sever his bond with Naruto

Debunking the notion that Sasuke shows signs of being homosexual

Sasuke and PTSD

Thoughts of Team 7 cause Sasuke to unleash his first Amaterasu

The adorable Team 7 dynamic

Sasuke and Fugaku parallel

Amaterasu

SasuSaku in general

BoruSara and “heteronormativity”

Sasuke and Sakura don’t need to use their fists to communicate, thankfully

Heteronormativity

Naruto and Harry Potter

Sasuke cannot be compared to a middle school bully, so don’t even try

Fandom problems

“Respecting” rejections — NaruSaku fandom hypocrisy

“Tag stalking” is not a thing

The Naruto Fandom in a nutshell

Sasuke’s and the SNS fandom’s hypocrisies

Stop breaking down people for shipping problematic hetero ships while you ship an equally problematic gay ship

When the SNS / Anti-SS fandoms actually think “boys will be boys”

Sakura and Naruto have nearly identical motivations for wanting to get Sasuke back, so stop creating a double standard

Saying Hinata and Sakura “ruined” the lives of Naruto and Sasuke IS misogynistic

Heteronormativity in the SNS fandom

“Nice guys finish last” is touted by NaruSaku fans, and it’s misogynistic

Naruto is far more demanding of Sasuke than Sakura is

More anti hypocrisy about NaruSaku, SuiKarin, SasuSaku, NaruHina, etc.

If you didn’t care about Sakura throughout the story and didn’t pay attention to her, then you probably don’t know shit compared to someone who does love her and did pay attention to her.

People will listen when Karin says something, but not when Sakura does because hypocrisy

The SNS fandom plays the victim

More SNS fandom hypocrisy

Some Sasuke fans are bigger fangirls than Sakura

Sakura hater bingo

Haters and headcanons

Ship wars, Kishimoto, and bullshit hate towards the women of Naruto

Miscellaneous discourse

The SS fandom is not composed of sheep

“True fans”

When antis don’t get it

Kishimoto, Interviews, Studio Pierrot, etc.

On Kishimoto respecting the wants and needs of female characters

Sasuke Shinden stuff

Karin’s “reason” for loving Sasuke is a contrived retcon

Kishimoto projecting himself onto Sasuke and Naruto

SP makes it clear that Ino was two-faced

Kubo is not better than Kishimoto

Others’ posts

Blogs featured especially prominently: madara-fate, its-naruto-universe

Sakura’s actions, feelings, etc.

Sakura is not selfish

Sakura does not guilt trip Sasuke

Sakura’s selflessness

Sakura never burdened Naruto with anything

Sakura is neither abusive nor a fangirl in Gaiden (or anytime for that matter)

Why Sakura is a feminist character

Sakura’s feelings for Naruto

Sakura saving Naruto’s life—and his dream

Sakura’s growth

Why fangirling is mostly positive

People Sakura has impressed in canon

Ino and Sakura

Sakura’s backstory is underrated

Sakura hugging Naruto is important

Some beautiful Sakura moments

Sakura defending Sasuke

Sakura is a queen

Stop hating part 1 Sakura

More people being impressed by Sakura

Karin responding to Sakura’s sadness

Sakura encouraging the Konoha soldiers

Sakura can triumph over Tsunade because Sakura doesn’t maintain her youthful looks with her seal

Sakura during the Pain arc etc.

Sakura and Tsunade

Defending Sakura

Sakura IS the strongest kunoichi

Sakura didn’t abandon Ino for Sasuke

Negative claims about Sakura nullified

Sakura holds her own when surrounded by OP bastards

Symbolism

Sakura greatly affected the story

Sakura develops the most naturally

“Even the roughest woman is tender to the guy she loves”

Sakura is smarter than u

Sakura’s development in two panels

Sakura and Chiyo saved the Sand Village

Identifying a fangirl

Sakura’s personality around Sasuke

Sakura hate is pathetic

Sakura hate is ridiculous

Crying on the battlefield

Tenderness again

Sasuke’s actions, feelings, etc.

“Don’t get in our way, Naruto”

“One and only friend”

Sasuke never wanted to hurt Sakura

Sasuke wasn’t going to allow Sakura and Kakashi to fall into lava

Sasuke’s actions speak louder than his words

Sasuke is connected to Konoha through both Naruto and Sakura

Sasuke is whipped (with canon receipts)

Sakura the cheerleader

Sasuke & Affection: The Meme

Sasuke being surrounded by cherry blossoms in the anime

Defending angry characters

The extremely problematic ship that is SNS

Uchiha Love

Why SNS is unhealthy for Sasuke

Sasuke is attentive to Sakura and acknowledges her abilities

Why Sasuke stays away from the village after the war

Sasuke being some type of annoyed at Naruto for leaning on Sakura

Sasuke asking Sakura who hurt her in the FOD

Some people need to stop defending Sasuke so hard

Sasuke shows that he cares about Sakura throughout the series

Sasuke and cats

Konoha caring about Sasuke

Everyone in Naruto is sad

Sasuke does not awaken Amaterasu for Karin

Sasuke’s perspective

Sasuke wasn’t bluffing at Orochimaru’s hideout

Sasuke making sure Sakura is okay

The selflessness of Sasuke’s mission

Sasuke worries about Sakura being alone

Negative claims about Sasuke nullified

“Smiling”

Sasuke acknowledging Sakura

Hints of jealousy

Sasuke being “OOC”

Sasuke and Fugaku in terms of showing affection

Sasuke quote to Sakura about the curse mark

Sasuke quote telling Naruto to save Sakura

Sasuke winking at Sakura

Sasuke and asexuality

Sasuke’s remorse

SasuSaku in general

It was obvious that SasuSaku was in the running for being endgame

Sarada’s resemblance to Sakura

Debunking various bullshit arguments

Home is family

“Sex doesn’t mean love” misses the point entirely

Sakura being the “missing puzzle piece” of Team 7

Things SS has that SNS doesn’t

Sasuke giving Sakura...a salad

Long distance relationships

Just a cute fanart interpretation of the SS timeline

SS beats NH and NS at having the most manga panels

Sakura fills Sasuke’s lonely existence

A summary of every chapter containing SS

What Sakura has done for Sasuke

Romantic SS > Romantic SK and Romantic SNS

Sasuke and Sakura weren’t in a relationship during the war, so pre-700 SS cannot be called abusive

Analysis of the forehead poke

Sarada bringing Naruto lunch reminds him of team 7

Comparing Sakura and Itachi

Sasuke and Sakura acknowledging each other first at reunions

FOD SS

The not so little things

Sasuke being proud of his girls

Sasuke and Sakura being (relatively) balanced in power & mutual respect

Just another analysis

SS content masterpost (chapters, interviews, etc.)

Debunking the notion that Naruto is driven by romantic feelings to want to save Sasuke etc.

An analysis of Gaiden

Whether you see it or not, Sasuke loves Sakura

The appeal of SS

A hefty analysis of chapters 482-484

Top 3 Sakura moments and Top 3 Sasuke moments

SS is not anti-feminist

Comparing SS to real life

The many sweet moments of Gaiden

The fake confession and “reasons”

Gaiden didn’t hurt SS

Kakashi in 693

Sakura ended Sasuke’s inability to love with her love

Loneliness

The desert scene

Comparing the development of SS to the development of other Naruto ships

The only thing Gaiden “ruined”

SS in part 1

Anti goggles vs. unbiased reading goggles

Stop criticizing SS for not being fluffy

Fandom problems

Tumblr “homophobia”

The SNS fandom’s view of “homophobia”

Girls aren’t crazy for being possessive

Denying canon still happens unfortunately

Stop bashing Sakura while blindly praising Hinata

When the SNS fandom says that the term “brotp” is a homophobic slur

Overlooking or excusing abuse in gay ships is not helping the LGBTQ community, never has, and never will

Again, stop sugarcoating abuse in queer relationships, especially while ranting about abuse in heterosexual relationships

Stop whining about crosstagging when it’s not thereStop whining about crosstagging when it’s not there part 2

Stop invalidating girls’ feelings

The SNS fandom objectifies Karin as a babymaker for SNS (and still denies Sakura’s motherhood)

The SNS fandom bullies the SS fandom

Sakura isn’t the only fangirl in Naruto by far, but it’s rare you hear about it

People are jealous of / threatened by Sakura

The ignorant reasoning behind Sakura hate

Anti “logic”

STFU about “fake fans”

SNS fandom hypocrisy, again

When Misty lovers are Sakura haters

Why people really hate the ending

@ people who only sympathize with “cope shippers”

Antis have the reading comprehension of Sarada, a child

When antis think they know the story better than the author himself

“Fangirl” and housewife Sakura can still beat your ass

Don’t be an ingrate who thinks Kishi is actually a bad writer

More slapstick hypocrisy

NH fandom hypocrisy

Naruto was never focused on romance in the first place

Most of the Naruto girls have done nothing wrong, yet they get the most shit out of all of the characters because of shipping

STFU about fiction affecting reality, it’s not that serious

Making fun of “self-insertion” makes you an asshole

When antis are threatened, they go low

Tumblr gets confused about who to defend and who to attack

Gross things antis do

Empathy

This fandom has a fucked up way of judging characters

A summary of the anti fandom

“I’m not a shipper but...” doesn’t help your case

Shipping isn’t everything

Hetero!SNS would still be platonic

Protect the female characters of Naruto

SNS fandom hypocrisy, again

“Usuratonkachi” and “you’re annoying”

The vicious cycle of the anti fandom

Sawyer calling out hate

Antis attack the wrong things

Hetero!SNS analysis

Antis still attack the wrong things

People attacking the wrong things in general

Kishimoto, Interviews, Studio Pierrot, etc.

Gaiden was a middle finger to those who harassed Kishimoto

Studio Pierrot and the tsundere trope

Stop guilt tripping Kishimoto

Sasuke Shinden fact-checking

Studio Pierrot didn’t need to make Sakura punch Naruto during Sasuke Shinden

How SP handled Sasuke’s travels

Sasuke’s seiyuu on SS

Sarada’s VA wants the SSS family to go on a picnic

SP not seeming to mind NH compared to SS

The smirk

Kishi talking about not wanting to write romance

Kishi’s assistant preaching respect

Sasuke’s seiyuu talking about Sasuke “fearing” Sakura

Other

Brazilian SasuSaku song

Being nice

Shikamaru and Naruto have a beautiful friendship

Naruto SD Lee and Sasuke moment

SS moment voted most impressive in Japan

SD comic ft. dandyism jutsu

Portugese SS

SS posters

Order the characters were created in

Animator’s sketch of a SasuSaku kiss

Sasuke’s seiyuu doing sexy dialogue?

Naruto letting Sakura go

Kindness is not weakness

Chibi Sasuke blushing

Sarada calling her parents “mama and papa”

On eyeglasses and genetics

#meta #meta masterpost

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