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I'm having Thoughts about Penny right now.
How Penny's old body was destroyed only for her to be reborn in a new one, changed in some ways but still fundamentally the same person, twice. How she was gone but not dead, and how she would be back. How her soul is who she is, and how her soul originally came from someone else's aura—transformed, changed, to create something new.
As I'm starting to digest Volume 9, I feel like the cycle of Penny's deaths and rebirths so far (killed during the Fall of Beacon and rebuilt by Pietro, then her old body destroyed by the virus during Creation while her soul created a new one for herself) looks... a lot like Afteran ascension, actually.
I don't claim to know if she's coming back or not since I'm just some dude and I don't write for the show, but I think it could open up some interesting parallels thematically if she did. Does that break the balance of life and death the Brother Gods created? Would she bring the whole thing full circle, accidentally returning herself to the way souls work in the Ever After? How would she compare to the two other characters in the series that have either died repeatedly or become immortal?
Salem is just as much of an abberration to the Ever After's cycle of ascension as she is to Remnant's balance between life and death, a being that doesn't die but also cannot ascend, does not change, simply stagnates forever. Meanwhile the Brother Gods gave Ozma a style of immortality also very similar to ascension, in that he's changed each time. It was only the curse they gave Salem that caused that endless stagnation.
Like... the Brothers made up death. That was all them, from the Jabberwalker to the cycle of life and death on Remnant. And considering the way they retaliated against Salem for trying to disrupt that cycle by... *checks notes* disrupting that cycle and making her immortal??? it might be kind of interesting to see a character break that cycle herself, without the Brothers' help. Especially if they do wind up coming back.
Idk, I just think it's neat!
#rwby volume 9#penny polendina#ascension#penny resurrection theory#salem rwby#ozma rwby#the brother gods
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I'm going insane aha-
So far I have 3 references of puppets/machines who got the chance to be resurrected after sacrificing themselves to save everyone :
1) Pinocchio, first dies by hanging, then dies by drowning, is revived and turned as a human.
2) Astroboy, in the 2009 movie, dies by sacrifing himself to save everyone, and is revived by the robot he himself revived earlier.
3) The Iron Giant, who sacrifices itself (himself ?) and explodes with the missile to save everyone, but is actually reassembling itself at the end.
........... CAN PENNY HAVE A CHANCE TOO PLEASE ? (delusional)
I know she was turned as a human in the end but it's still a LOT of references and similarities, and with all the Volume 9 hints I'm like, thinking a l o t about that---
#rwby#rwby art#rwby discussion#rwby theory#theory#discussion#penny#penny polendina#penny revival#penny 3.0#references#machines#the iron giant#pinocchio#astroboy#robot#human#resurrection#revival#i'm losing my mind i need her back#rwby v9#rwby volume 9
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small details in the dnpc video no one is mentioning
okay, look, i'm gonna admit it, i'm a game/film theory girly and a whore for lore, so i pick at details i shouldn't be picking at, so here's some things i see in the video that i don't see being mentioned in theories/analyses. also keep in mind my brain consists of a single cell encapsulated in aspic (i know what the actual deeper meaning is this is just a bit of fun for me)
the thing underneath the piano - the camera falls off the piano in one scene and something (i still cant figure out what exactly it might be) is visible, oddly clear-looking for something underneath a broken piano in shoddy lighting (actually looking at it again it might be a corpse, is it possibly phil's old body?)
dan telling phil not to film him drawing the sigils but phil still filming - you might be able to also throw in the part where phil screams "NO" when the camera's on him sitting in the corner; they don't seem to want things to be filmed but it feels like they're obligated to record everything to some extent
phil's very explicit control over dan - this is to the point where he even has to tell dan what and what isn't food, and takes away water privileges for some reason (btw this is your reminder to drink some water) and overall very demanding tone when instructing him
SOFT AND NEAT - there's a lot of reinforcement of this, its clearly a joke but i'm overanalytical and will blatantly ignore this. there's heavy hesitation with any sharp object around them (when dan has to cut his hand, kill phil, take out phil's heart, mentioning razor blades when using the shaving foam)
dan still primarily uses his left hand - people have mentioned how he's been "fixed" but him using his right hand seems to be performative since he pours most things, mixes with his left hand, and even primarily uses his left hand to spread the blood (plus he never sacrificed himself unlike phil who seems to have died in potato stamps and been resurrected with perfect vision) there's also old superstitions that being left-handed means you're somehow cursed by/connected to satan, speaking of which...
dan has a much better connection and the ability to communicate directly with Him - he seems to be a conduit, possibly being used by phil to properly perform anything (which also probably helped with his resurrection and eyesight improvement), he has uncontrollable actions from time to time
the sigils themselves - what do they all mean? what could they mean in a bigger, symbolic context? anyone that understands them pls explain to my aspic brain
the entire place fucking burns down after the ritual is complete and they're embraced by Him - it's clear at least to me that the shed is set on fire at the end of the video, cutting off further possible footage
dan doesn't put blood on phil's forehead during the ritual - might've just been a slipup during filming but we also dont see the blood dan put on his own forehead once he arrives and theyre all standing up in the pentagram
also just a couple fun facts:
the number on the case file when converted to corresponding letters of the alphabet spell out "satan"
what dan says in his reversed clip is just "thanks!", nothing is really said in the reversed clip of phil opening the shed door its juts kinda a random noise someone made
Aaaaand some misc nonsense crackpot theories/ideas/thoughts/brain vomit that my brain keeps me awake at night with (optional reading):
if the demon taking them at the end is actually baphomet and not just some generalized idea of satan, then "mother" could be another way to refer to "him" since baphomet is portrayed as having both female and male characteristics (bobs n pennies)
personally this is scarier/more unnerving than the actual blair witch project for some reason
my bathroom sink is the one sink you cant ship
i want a dapc for those dolls they hung everywhere
is cataloguing all of the ritual setup part of the craft channel's purpose?
what was the reason for summoning him? did they bring him to our plane of existence to just let him absorb these two brink-of-twinks and then use their gay power to torment the straights?
oh that rope is just his belt thing not rope tying dip and pip together
i think this is a good wrap-up idk what they could do in a part 5 to conclude things better
#this is what keeps me up at night#that and the 4 hour long naps i take at 5pm every day#now i wanna start a collector doll brand called brink-of-twink#featuring fun accessories like texts to his sugar daddy and mortgage paperwork#theres more but this is rly fkn long lol#dan and phil#dan and phil crafts#danandphil#daniel howell#dan howell#phil lester#amazingphil#phandom#dnp crafts#dnp
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god I’m just still really thinking about ep 2 but
tbh until today (2 years after lmao) I still love the Salem/Ozma and Ruby/Penny parallels theory and Ruby’s speech about how she perceives Penny kind of reminds me of how Salem might have seen Ozma before
Based on her recent speech, Ruby saw Penny as someone even purer and kinder than anyone else, possibly even more than herself, which is probably similar to how Salem perceived Ozma as a kind of pure/noble person. When Ozma rescued Salem it was because he believed she should be free and not because he came for her hand in marriage.
Salem was in a hopeless situation having been trapped in the tower; Ozma came to save her and became her light. Life had greater meaning because of him. Ofc the parallels in the story aren’t mean to be one on one, but Ruby and Penny’s arcs with each other doesn’t designate them to being Salem or Ozma, but interestingly Ruby and Penny are both Salem and Ozma to one another-- Penny started out as the girl who was “trapped in the tower” (Atlas military) and Ruby was her “savior” and her light (Ozma). And now in V9 Ruby has become more akin to Salem -- they’ve both seen someone they loved die before them, be resurrected only to be taken away again. Penny is now Ozma, the person Ruby (in the shoes of Salem) grieves for, someone who gave something special in her life. Ruby is in Salem’s arc eons prior and it would be interesting to see how that plays out, how Ruby will evolve as a character with greater understanding for an enemy who cannot be killed in any way. So she has to make Salem realize something perhaps, which in turn means Ruby has to really deal with all that inward storm to find the answer.
#rwby9#rwby spoilers#spoilers#nuts and dolts#these are like 2am thoughts and i've only slept for like 2 hours prior so forgive this brainrot
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the persistence of penny 3.0 theories after v9 is sort of bemusing bc like, while notionally v9 provided the means it’s also explicitly clear that people do not come back from the dead; the point of ascension is rebirth, not resurrection. the only circumstance in which a person can ‘ascend’ without dying involves visiting the tree while still alive and then choosing to return; once you’re dead, the only way out is forward.
light’s afterlife of eternal stasis and the act of resurrecting a dead person are both bad for exactly the same reason: the cosmic purpose of death in this world is to facilitate transformation, change, growth. to prevent a soul from passing through the tree is to take away their freedom. it’s why yang cannot cut ruby out of the tree. it’s why jaune was wrong to prohibit the paper pleasers from ascending. it’s why ozma’s curse is a curse—the god of light set it up this way to ensure ozma would never be able to change. it’s why salem’s immortality is less awful than his—she has been able to change, she did find a way to claw back some freedom from the stasis light tried to impose on her. it’s why pietro bringing penny back into an even more extreme version of the horrible child soldier-savior situation she was built for is ultimately portrayed as a restriction of her freedom and why she’s so happy when she says goodbye to winter.
if penny comes back it will be on her terms—which means she won’t be penny, she’ll be whoever and whatever she chose to become in her next life. the narrative route to bringing her back is through ascension, memories of the old life left behind and all, and i know the penny 3.0 crowd hates that because of the feeling that it glorifies suicide [bullies you into suicide by stabbing you in the aorta!] but that’s the groundwork that has been laid.
the purpose of death is metamorphosis. interfering with that natural process is explicitly selfish and cruel. this is not… ambiguous…
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So I’ve been a bit bored this week theory-wise because no Penny blade so instead I went and looked up the most common symbolisms/associations for jade, you know since her blade was disguised as a jade marionette... and while there’s a shitload of possibilities listed, some things caught my eye a bit to say the least :))))))
Aside from the shipper brain, there’s also how green jade seems to be associated with the heart in many cultures, and I find it interesting since you know, when it comes to a chunk of the Atlas arc, there was the “human” man who lacked a heart (Iro/nwo/od) vs the most empathetic and humane robot you can find around the block (Penny).
And then there’s how this colour of jade specifically (they’re not all green) is/was associated with heaven, the deceased, but also healing... rebirth and resurrection :) Penny return theories anyone?
Finally something else to note, I scoured several sites and when it comes to the healing properties they all more or less states that jade is believed to help with self-love, fighting self-doubt, being able to “accept all sides of yourself and stand on your own two feet.” So I’m hopeful that one way or another the blade itself or whatever comes out of it this volume, could help Ruby out.
And that’s just for jade in general alone, we don’t know if the jade from the marionette is jadeite or nephrite so maybe we could search deeper or maybe I’m just reaching for more info lol
(Data taken from: The International Gem Society, The Spruce, Tiny Rituals)
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ALrighty!
Spoilers for RWBY ep.... 8 I think? Below the keep reading as well as criticism:
So I was wrong about the Cat. I wish it had turned out to be a morally dubious good guy, but whatever, guess the writers wanted yet another 'the person guiding you is actually not trustworthy' plot.
Here's what I'm gonna say - Neo got fucking taken over and possessed the moment that she actually started getting a spotlight as a villain? HATE that shit. I want Neo, not just some conglomerate taken over by the cat? And I don't like that she talked at all. It should've just been the cat's voice.
Idk if Little is dead or not, but I really don't care about or like Little, so if they are dead, okay??? Better than having to see them again tbh.
Seeing people 'resurrected' but all wrong was kind of dissatisfying? Torchwick was the only one of them who was actually used well (because rwby is going through plotpoints at the speed of light in fourteen to sixteen minute eps so of course we can't sit with things,) but his voice acting was off and so it messed with the immersion some. I don't blame them for not being able to get an exact copycat and I don't think they tried very hard since they didn't need Roman for long, but still, I wish his voice actor had done better. The animation of him was pretty good though.
Ruby ascended? Fuck that shit! I have hope that we're actually going to get 'Ruby down in the tree realizing what 'ascension' actually is, but first off, I wanted Ruby to have a breakdown and struggle, not to be full on suicidal and decide to basically kill herself. Second of all, if this means 'no more Ruby' I am going to be so pissed off. This is Ruby's show, right? Or it's supposed to be! Even if this means that we don't get much Ruby for the next two episodes, I'm still gonna be mad. The 'development' we've gotten so far is just Ruby being in pain, and then seemingly dying? I'm trying not to count my chickens before they hatch or whatever, but this could be worst case scenario, people.
The moment where Ruby was getting attacked by everyone who was dead was... Well, first off, it was weird. Because A. Why would Neo bring in Clover, Leo, and Ozpin? Was she just bringing in everyone she thinks that Ruby may have sort of known who died? Second off, why does Neo think Penny cared about Ruby most in the world? When did she have access to that information? How did she know to use Penny that way? Third off, I liked the 'Ruby strikes out at Ozpin, only for Neo to replace him with Oscar' thing in theory but I would be wrong if I didn't point out that once again the only member of Team RWBYJNOR with dark skin gets the most violent things happening, which is a bad pattern. I get that it may be because Oscar is actually more like Ruby's friend than the rest of her team atm (which is sad,) but I just think the writers should be aware that this is a thing they do that they maybe should correct. Maybe they could've had it be Weiss or Yang that Ruby 'accidentally killed' in these visions? Just a thought. Fourth off! I liked how Neo transformed people into Ruby's alive friends and family, judging her for the 'murder.' Fifth off, I just gotta say the combat was not good for me once again. Neo literally has several people there fighting for her, and they all shot like stormtroopers? Ruby's discombobulated and depressed, so her going down without much fight isn't the problem, the problem is that Neo alone by herself should have been able to easily bring her down, let alone with her clones there to help her. Maybe she only knew Roman well enough to really replicate his style, but Neo and Roman? Tag team of the century!
On to... Team WBYJ. I'm not even gonna get into the fact that Blake and Weiss were more sympathetic to Ruby's struggles than Yang was (I am really frustrated with Yang this season,) but they all just stand there and do nothing while Ruby drinks down poison? What the hell? That is not a freaking good look, guys.
Anyway... I don't know how to feel about this episode, but I'm mostly frustrated and disappointed. And on the other hand, I guess we got good pics of Roman and Neo? I'm gonna have to wait to form a concrete opinions on this ep until we can confirm what the frick actually happened next ep, but for now, it's looking like another 3/10. I got some enjoyment, but overall a bad experience once again.
#rwde#anti-rwby#rwby-crit#mention of suicide#tw; suicide#trigger warning; suicide#hate that I have to tag those
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Synodic crack theories:
Snape will be in a romantic relationship with Lupin
Tonks will be in a poly relationship with Merula Snyde and Penny Haywood
Harry, Ginny, and Ron be all in Hufflepuff, and they'll be enemies with MacMillan, Susan, and Zach
Harry and Ron will be beaters in the Hufflepuff quidditch team, Ginny will still be chaser
Sirius, if he inherits Grimmauld, he'll just burn it
Voldemort will be resurrected by Lockhart as publicity stunt
Sirius will dedicate himself to the sport industry and buy a quidditch team, a quadpot team, and a dueling arena
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Amazing!
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Pretty sure the line of "herb becoming the herb he wanted to be when he was still herb" is foreshadowing for ruby and her own issue with who she is this past volume (wanting to be a huntress =/= the ideals she had before). Penny would be a nice touch and I'm a big resurrection theories advocate but it really feels like it's not about her
I mean... lines can (and often do) have multiple meanings. It can apply to Ruby in one way, and to Penny in another, to show multiple different angles of how such a deeply personal idea can be interpreted, and what it means to different people.
Again, assuming we're right, and Penny is going to ascend in some way, even if this line was written more so with Ruby in mind, it will still then apply to Penny by virtue of being a part of how ascension works.
Ultimately, I don't think this line was about Ruby, Penny, or any specific character, it was about a concept. A concept that I'm sure will be very important to multiple characters this Volume.
#rwby#penny polendina#ruby rose#rwby spoilers#desi talks about volume 9#rwby9 spoilers#rwby volume 9 spoilers
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My thoughts on the idea of resurrecting Penny
So first off I'd like to preface this with clarifying that this is not an attack on anyone or your theories, I don't want to ruin your fun and if you disagree that's fine! I just wanted to discuss my own thoughts on the matter and my opinions on popular theories. If you don't want to read about like, me criticizing the idea of Penny coming back then this is your warning, I guess?
So right off the bat, I'll say that I think brining Penny back again would be a bad writing decision. It takes away any possible stakes for not only her, but for everyone else too. If we set this precedent that people can just be brought back to life over and over again, even in a human body, then is there really anything at stake anymore?
Two, it goes against the main conflict of the story. This all started when Salem just refused to take no for an answer and wouldn't let Ozma rest. Now, you can think whatever about the Gods, that they punished Salem appropriately or they're total dicks or something in between. But like surely we can all agree that Salem was in the wrong in bringing Ozma back? Like... when she first went to the God of Light and begged for her beloved back, that I can understand. Obviously she's heartbroken and she's mourning, she didn't do anything wrong there. But like, the God of Light was right, life and death is a delicate balance. And I guess you could argue it's different in a fictional world where it IS possible for the Gods to bring people back to life, but... Accepting death and mourning your loss so you can move on is a part of life, no? Like I'm having trouble putting what I mean into words but y'know, the circle of life. Two sides of the same coin. Etcetera etcetera.
Where I'm going with that point is that bringing people back from the dead upsets that balance. And it's because Salem disrupted that balance that this is all happening. We've already seen what happens in universe when people are brought back from the dead. And it's uh.....BAD. Plus, as you'll remember, the God of Darkness brought Ozma back and he was freaking out and and screaming "Where am I?!" So like, people coming back to life is potentially an absolutely horrifying experience for them, so maybe lets not???
(You could also argue that the Gods themselves broke their own rules and disrupted the balance by punishing Salem with immortality. That's it's own discussion but like we all know the Gods fucked that one up. Because it lead to....*gestures at The Lost Fable* But that doesn't mean Salem was in the right for bringing Ozma back. And yeah, the Gods are capable of bringing people back to life, doesn't mean they should.)
Thirdly, it takes all the weight out of the absolutely crushing defeat of the volume 8 finale. It makes it all kinda meaningless. Y'know how frustrating it is when a story ends with something like ✨and it was all a dream✨? It's like that. Plus, I can't really see them putting Jaune through the horrifyingly traumatic experience and the subsequent emotional turmoil of killing her, only to be like "lol jk"
(you could argue that Penny being killed disrupts the balance of life and death, but bringing her back would just be another thing that disrupts it, they wouldn't cancel each other out)
Now, I'd like to also put in my two cents on some popular theories about it happening. Again, I'm not making fun of you or anything for having these theories and ideas, this is just how I feel about them personally. But I'm glad y'all are having fun theorizing /gen
Pietro will give the rest of his aura and sacrifice himself to bring Penny back.
It makes sense. Pietro loves Penny, and it's obvious he would do anything for his daughter. And that's exactly it, he would do anything for her.
This is how that scene went, and what Pietro said specifically:
Ruby: You gave her part of yours?
Pietro: Yes. And each time I rebuild Penny, it takes a little more. If the people get their wish and she's destroyed, I won't be able to--
There's obviously no sacrifice that Pietro won't make for his daughter. If he could sacrifice his own life to bring her back he would do it in a heartbeat. But he can't. He won't be able to.
Whether it's that he doesn't have enough aura left, or it's literally not possible for him to give up ALL of his aura, it's very clearly not possible.
They will take part of Pietro's aura and/or the part of Penny that's inside Winter to bring her back.
So the "part" of Penny that's inside Winter is linked to the winter maiden's power, and based on volume 3 I assume that the maiden's power, magic, is bound to your soul. There's no separating it from your soul. Hell, the reason Oscar can use magic is because of his soul merging with Oz's.
So what the idea is here is that they put Winter in the aura transfer machine thing and rip her soul apart to put the maiden powers in someone else? Y'know, literally exactly what Cinder did to Amber? Yeah, I can't see them doing that.
Part of Penny is inside Ruby because of what she said to Ambrosius "We kinda want to keep her around a little longer than that."
I...don't really understand how this idea came to be, to be honest. Like Ambrosius' whole thing is that he's very literal. He'll give you exactly what you asked for, not what you meant, not what you might have meant, exactly what you asked for. I don't really think Ambrosius like, reads between the lines and creates his interpretation of what he thinks you meant. Also sticking a piece of Penny's soul inside of Ruby isn't creation, and wouldn't it have y'know...fucked her up? Maybe both of them? So yeah, this one doesn't make sense to me, sorry.
Penny's swords should have disappeared when she died, but they didn't (I guess the theory is that she survived somehow?)
Okay but like, we have no reason to believe they should have disappeared. Sure we have no reason to believe they should still be around, either, but hear me out. We've seen two other maidens create weapons with their magic (not their aura, if they did it with their aura then anyone on Remnant could materialize weapons out of nothing.) Raven, and Cinder. Raven we've only really seen make that huge sword at Haven, and Cinder is making weapons for herself all the time. In both of these instances, these weapons were probably deliberately destroyed, I mean a distinct part of the way Cinder fights is she makes weapons and throws them at people and makes them explode. We've never seen these weapons disappear after a maiden's death, obviously, because Cinder and Raven are still alive. Thus we don't really have a reason to believe that Penny's swords should have disappeared.
Edit: seems like I was wrong about the swords disappearing! Still, we never actually see them dissipate/disappear, so maybe they went flying off the edge or something? And I still highly doubt her swords/the one Ruby found are like the secret to reviving her, like containing some of her aura or soul. Why would that be the case?
The way Penny said "Trust me." to Jaune must have meant something
I don't really know what to say here, either. Is the theory that she came up with some plan of how to survive or bring herself back or something? But like...how?
I think it's more likely that she was just convincing him , I guess? Choice was actually a pretty big part of Penny's narrative in volumes 7-8, and how she struggled with not being able to live her life the way she wanted to.
Penny: I was the protector of Mantle. But now, I am much more than that. And I wish I was not.
Even becoming the winter maiden, she chose to do that, but because she didn't really have a choice. She didn't want that responsibility. And once she had it, she wanted to use it to help her friends, and to help with the mission. But even her father wouldn't let her at first. And when Penny explains to him that she's trying to live her life, but he isn't letting her, Pietro understands and let's her do what she wants, even if it puts her in danger.
And then we get this shot:
She feels so free. Even if what she's doing is dangerous, she chose this.
And she chose to sacrifice herself to keep the winter maiden's power from Cinder, and by extension, Salem.
Edit: She also got to choose to give the winter maiden's power to Winter, rather than letting them go to Cinder or someone random if she just bled out.
And it was tragic, but I think, narratively, it would be a disservice to take that choice away from her.
Penny's character allusion, Pinocchio, came back twice, so it makes sense for her to come back twice, too.
I'm sorry I really hate to rain on your parade, but like... she already came back twice. The first time, after she "died" at the Vytal Festival, and the second time was when she was saved from the virus, which would have killed her, and became a "real" girl.
Plus, how would they bring her back when she died in a human body? Just doesn't seem possible to me.
Little is Penny
While I think this idea is super fuckin cute, I don't really understand. Why would that have happened?
Like, I totally get it y'all are GOING THROUGH IT, and I'm not here to ruin your fun or fight with you or anything. This all just been sitting in my brain and it wanted to come out. Again these are just my thoughts and I understand if you do not agree. I hope you keep having fun with all this 🙏
#rwby#rwby9#I've also seen some people saying we're gonna see ruby in her 'salem arc'#and I'm like.#I Would Prefer Not To#but that's a whole other thing#and hey#whatever floats your boat
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Do you have any theorizes about Penny possibly being resurrected? One theory I heard is that she was reincarnated/reborn as Little, and another I've seen going around is she fused (if that's the correct word to use) with Winter, and the Aura Transfer Machine will be used to separate them.
There's nothing I'm 100% sure about, but I'm definitely a conspiracy theorist about it lmao! Mostly because it feels like there's a suspicious amount of setup that they could use for it.
Penny has lines like "Trust me" and "I'll be part of you" that could be nothing, but also might have a double meaning. Her swords look like they're made of aura (???) and haven't disappeared. There's that shot of her inside one in the trailer, which might be a metaphor but might also mean there's a bit left of her in there. All of it is stuff that might just be thematic, not literal... but there is still an awful lot of it.
Idk what it all means exactly, and it could be I'm just in denial, but she's already bounced back from mortal injuries twice—once when her core was recovered from Amity Arena, and once when she was completely removed from her body in Creation, nothing left but her soul.
Basically Penny's just built different at this point, and if her sword(s) start following Ruby around in the Ever After I'm putting on my full clown mode regalia skldjflskdjfkl
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Another Penny resurrection theory: if Penny's consciousness is inside of Ruby (Kingdom Hearts style), what if that translated to Ruby having to give up a piece of her own body in order to incorporate it into Penny's new body?
Or, in other words, what if Penny 3.0 were to have one of Ruby's eyes?
Oh, I did not even consider that Ruby might be carrying a bit of Penny.
And yeah, that makes learning she has value here even more important. She is far too willing to sacrifice parts of herself right now, if she had that option now she would sacrifice anything to bring Penny back and that would taint the whole thing. If she has to give up a part of herself, I want her to make that sacrifice with full knowledge and understanding. Not because she feels she has to or doesn't value herself enough.
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I think the point about canonicity earlier that anon raised is really interesting because I generally don't trust fandom-wide assumptions anymore (for good reason). Like the whole 'now Penny is back, best friend shenanigans forever!' where I was silently like uhhhhhh... ahhh..... hmmm... you know, maybe I'm just wrong and I was reading this incorrectly... or the 'I/ronwood was the secret hero the whole time' thing, or the 'and now Cinder is totes dead' thing after V5, or the 'and now Jaune will definitely kill Cinder' after the whole sequence where that specifically is rejected, or like, Blake/Sun is canon now I guess after the Menagerie arc, or like, Ruby/Oscar is weird because of Ozma and now it's verboten to discuss even if you're not a shipper...
Like I'm going to be completely honest, this fandom - and perhaps fandom at large, but specifically this fandom - has an issue with overconfidence and outright lack of interpretive ability. The 'best friends forever' Penny theory was immediately amended to 'and now Winter can resurrect Penny with the Maiden meat puppet machines, which are obviously good and not at all evil'. I don't even know if people still buy into that - I assume not.
Anyway like... it's canon when I see it, not based on what other people are saying. I'm not quite ready to call Jaune/Weiss yet.
#or generally anything surrounding pyrrha. like when people thought this meant qrow was deffo going to die. or the whole pyrrha thematic#thing in general#lol#stirring the pot#being a meanie
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Okay so, one thing to consider: what if Jaune's Semblance is what allowed Penny's consciousness to hang around to have that conversation with Winter, and Penny's thoughts drifted to Ruby during that conversation, while she was passing the powers to Winter?
So the caveat for Penny's return is that it only worked because she had the Maiden Powers when she died (allowing Jaune to use his Semblance to boost that piece of Ozma's soul within the Maiden Powers and temporarily afflict Penny with his curse), but the mechanics of what happened AFTER she dies means that she no longer has that piece of Ozpin's soul?
Like, while returning in Volume 9 might be a bit too soon, Ruby needing to exploit the strange properties of the Ever After to extract Penny's soul and place it in a new body would possibly add to the whole "The events that lead to this resurrection can never be reproduced and so Penny needs to REALLY be careful this time", albeit at the cost of the Aura Transfer machine being rendered kinda useless in the grand scheme of things.
These are three different things, and I have three different opinions on them.
First is the idea that Jaune's semblance has something to do with Penny hanging around, which, yeah, it absolutely does. Jaune's aura colour was in the maiden transfer scene and that makes exactly 0 sense unless something special happened there that involved Jaune's semblance. Maybe she would have been able to talk to Winter either way, but Jaune's semblance did something. And who knows, maybe Penny did think of Ruby then and that also did something.
The second is assuming that a piece of Ozma's soul is with the maiden powers which... why? That's one hell of an assumption to make, and as far as I know it's not something that's implied in the show. And if that's automatically part of the maiden powers 1. that's weird and 2. Penny would get that back again if she gets part of the winter maiden power again (which I think she will). I just don't like this idea because that means all the maidens have a little bit of Ozma's soul in them and besides the fact that the pieces would then "want" to return to Ozma, that's just a weird idea that I don't like thinking about.
The third point, I actually don't think returning in v9 is too soon. It's hard to get that working with the theory that part of Penny is with Winter, but if she's not... there's really no reason it's too soon. Because the thing is, if Penny comes back in v9, that will be because that's part of the point of v9. It will be because v9 is in no small part about Ruby's grief for Penny and what she does with that. And Penny coming back would be a valid resolution to the volume's arc, if that is the case.
As far as using the Ever After goes, I don't really think that's... what they would use from the Ever After? Extracting a soul and placing it into a new body is something they can do on Remnant, whatever they get from the Ever After must be unique to the Ever After. It must be both required, and impossible to find a substitute for on Remnant.
So basically yes Jaune's semblance did something that kept Penny around, no I don't think the maidens have fragments of Ozma's soul, no I don't think they would get an impromptu aura transfer machine in the Ever After but whatever they do get is impossible to repeat because they won't be able to return to the Ever After to do it again.
#rwby#rwby spoilers#ask#swapauanon#I think there were actually like five different points in there#but mostly three with subpoints
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"loving penny polendia is suffering" yeah this is true
Also, this is coming from someone who is an avid Penny 3.0 Theorist: Do you think Penny will be resurrected once more in V10 (if it gets greenlit), and if so, how do you think they'll go about it?
lmao my blog title remaining relevant 2 years after I changed it is something I'd never expect out of V9 honestly
and HELLO fellow Penny 3.0 theorist!!
I know I will sound crazy and mad and insane for this probably but yes, I do highly believe that Penny will actually come back. No matter how many times I read why she won't, I have to disagree simply from the reading of her overall arc as a character. What I'm not certain is whether she will be fully resurrected in a body in V10, or just given hints (or something like, where she can talk with RWBY, Pietro and co. but still shares a body with Winter, like the Oscar/Ozma situation). AND HERE'S TO HOPING V10 DOES GET GREENLIT, WE NEED CONCLUSIONS TO THE ENTIRETY OF RWBY.
And to answer your question as to how they'll go about it? Idk really. There are many ways that the fandom (particularly the nnd and Penny cult fandom) have come up regarding Penny's third return. The most popular and arguably the most backed theory would be the Aura Transfer Machine theory, because from the two times it was relevant in the show (V3 and V7), it was never fully nor successfully used. And funny enough, the ATM was always about transferring Maiden powers, and it was always somehow connected to Atlas technology, so you can see where the narrative connects Winter, Penny and the ATM.
With V9's ending and showing no signs of Penny's body being around, that's where I'm personally kinda in the dark regarding of what they're going to do with her now. With Pietro around they could be going for another Penny robo body, but they'd have to address issues again of the possibility of Penny getting hacked, etc. Narratively speaking, I've always been on the idea that Penny will return not as human nor robot, but a mix of both (yeah, a cyborg!). Penny's weaknesses (and strengths / benefits??) as both human and robot have been expounded in the show that I feel like the most sensible conclusion is to give her the best of both worlds --- an enhanced human per se (like in the recent Terminator movies). But how they'll do that without Penny's human body, unless Ambrosius and the Staff of Creation gets involved again, kinda points me back to Penny being put back in a robot body (and from there they could probably just cover it up with some in-world explanation on why Penny is no longer hackable lmao). I like the idea that Winter will be heavily involved in it especially when it's been pointed out how Winter could allude to Pinocchio's Blue Fairy (who gave the boy his wishes). I could try to come up with any other way but it will always come back to Winter, Pietro and Ruby lmao
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what i do find very amusing about the perennial penny 3.0 discoursing is how the salem question is alternately ignored altogether or answered with contorted and flatly counter-textual lines of reasoning to the effect that it’s okay when ruby does it because reasons—often, because salem is positioned rhetorically as selfish in her desire whereas reviving penny is construed as a rejection of her ‘sacrifice’ inasmuch as asking to be mercy killed whilst bleeding out through your ruptured aorta qualifies as self-sacrifice. not coincidentally, the central conceit underlying most penny 3.0 theories is that penny is at fault for her own death and resurrection is posed often quite overtly as a punishment for dying—in that penny must be brought back in order to rebuke her for ‘throwing her life away’ and/or spitting in the faces of everyone who tried to save her.
which is unhinged, obviously, but as it pertains to the reading of salem it’s equal parts funny and mystifying; salem really doesn’t try very hard or go to any great lengths to get ozma back, she asks the gods and takes no for an answer. if dark had likewise turned her away it is implied very strongly that her next step would have been suicide, which is exactly why they punish her by making her immortal. subsequently she dedicates one hundred percent of her efforts not towards bringing ozma back but to trying to free herself from immortality. meanwhile ozma is waiting for her in the afterlife and readily chooses to return when he learns she’s never going to reach him there. both of them—both of them—fully intended to reunite in death. there is not a single indication that salem ever did more than asking the gods to restore him to life. her initial goal was to find a way to follow him, and nowadays what she wants is explicitly for him to stop coming back.
so insofar as salem poses a narrative challenge to penny 3.0 it’s that salem accepted that she couldn’t bring ozma back without incurring divine wrath which would fall on his head before falling on hers—the god of light incinerates ozma in her arms and she spends the rest of the altercation futilely trying to shield him—and therefore chose not to try, for hundreds of millions of years. is this not an act of love? to let him go and endure eternity alone, until he chose to return for her.
the coherent answer to this challenge of course is for penny to ascend, and more broadly for light’s interference with the cycle of rebirth to be ended, but penny 3.0 theories tend to avoid if not actively reject that idea because, again, at the core resurrection is being positioned as a necessary moral lesson, implicitly punitive in nature. and the difficulty of the salem question for that lens is that salem is textually right—it was not wrong for her to petition the gods, nor to lash out in anger when they revealed their rules to be cruel and arbitrary, and further and more importantly she was right to stop there, ultimately leaving the choice to come back up to ozma. fundamentally this is what makes the eventual ozlem reconciliation narratively possible—that she chose to let him go and he chose to return for her.
but the penny 3.0 reading needs there to be a right way to not let a loved one go—to bring them back—and while the obvious way to do that is to take the categorical stance that salem had every right to ask for ozma back, penny 3.0 folks by and large are not willing to do that and also can’t meaningfully engage with salem’s acceptance of death and so we get the contortions to justify how salem wanting ozma back was selfish but it’s okay for ruby and penny. and it’s funny because salem let him go.
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