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telomeke · 5 months
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THE SIGN – CULTURAL REFERENCES, MYTHOLOGY AND META
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This post comes on the heels of the one by @respectthepetty about mythology and meta of The Sign, linked here. 😍👍 If you've not read it yet, I recommend you do before watching any more of this series, because it will help things make more sense (especially if you're not familiar with some of the cultural references thrumming in the background).
Anyway, I'd previously done some research on the legend(s) of the Garuda and the Naga in Southeast Asia, and so I'm writing this post to share what I've found because it does have relevance to at least some of what we're seeing onscreen in The Sign, and elaborates on @respectthepetty's post.
The Garuda and the Naga are mythical beings with origins in Indian mythology that have been transposed into cultures across Southeast Asia.
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In Hinduism, Garuda is a single deity, depicted in either full-bird form or part-bird and part-human, and is the king of birds and also a divine sun-bird (with physical attributes similar to an eagle's). His elder brother, Aruna, is the chariot driver for Surya the sun-god, while Garuda himself is the mount of Vishnu.
In Buddhist mythology, the garudas (sometimes also spelt garulas) are a society and race of gigantic predatory birds, sometimes also depicted as part-human in form. The garudas are intelligent, social and blessed with might and magical powers.
Thailand may be predominantly Buddhist, but it has also been strongly influenced by ancient Indian culture and Hinduism, and thus both the concept of a single deity Garuda and the race of garudas co-exist in Thai mythological beliefs.
The nagas on the other hand, are snake-like or dragon-like creatures, whose realm is the water world. (The word naga is derived from Sanskrit and is also etymologically related to the English word snake.)
In mythology nagas and garudas are perpetual enemies, although neither side is actually identified with good or evil – they are simply two groups eternally at war with each other (so occidental-leaning minds should dispel any preconception that the water serpents are necessarily the bad guys in The Sign, even though the narrative seems to be tilting in that direction).
When borrowed into popular culture (as has been done for The Sign) you may sometimes see influences of Chinese dragon and phoenix mythology (as Chinese cultural influence is also present in Thailand, and the dragon/phoenix motif of Sinitic culture nicely parallels the naga/garuda conflict pairing). And because of Garuda's association with the sun in Hinduism, and a parallel with the fiery phoenix of Western mythology, you may sometimes see garudas portrayed as aligned with the sun and/or flame as well.
There are some hints of these in The Sign. The naga that Phaya encounters while struggling underwater during the open sea training challenge in Ep.1 is very Thai in appearance (especially with the curved, forward-pointing crest, making it look much like the nagas that adorn Thai temple architecture). But the array of pronged, backward-pointing horns and trailing antennae appear to be a design nod at Chinese or Japanese dragons (East Asian dragons are also strongly identified with the watery realm, by the way). And in the graphics of the series (e.g., in the poster at the start of this post), the sky (the realm of Garuda) is suffused with sunlight and speckled with what look like drifting sparks, referencing sun and flame.
Because of the wings tattooed on his back and his time in the air force, Phaya is most likely the reincarnation of a garuda in human form (and this is why he struggled with the water challenge, as he was completely out of his element).
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This is also possibly why we see him smoking early on in the series (because of the alignment of Garuda with the element of fire), and significantly he does this while Naga Tharn (irked by Yai's teasing at the dining table) seeks refuge in the washroom (which is ห้องน้ำ/hong naam in Thai, literally water room):
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‌Billy also describes Phaya's character in the promo video for the series (linked here) as being "like fire, always hot and burning... quite hot-headed." 👍
Elsewhere in the same promo video (linked here), Tharn's good friend Chalothon is explicitly identified as the reincarnation of an important naga, which immediately signals that he and Phaya will be at odds in the series:
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The water deity that saves Phaya during the open sea challenge – Wansarat, whom he drew in his sketchbook – is not just Freen Sarocha in a fancy scuba suit. 😂
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If you look at her arm and hand when she reaches out to save Phaya (before she turns into Tharn) the green scales meld into the skin of her human wrist – they're part of her natural covering, and she's really a nakhee/nagin/nagini, a female naga, appearing in human form to save Phaya.
The narrative has made it strongly obvious that Phaya is a reincarnated garuda, while Tharn is the reincarnation of Wansarat, from the lineage of the nagas. And the teaser-trailer (linked here) tells us that Phaya and Tharn/Wansarat are lovers bound to each other through time:
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However, the special promo video (released 24 November 2023) also tells us (in Heng's interview linked here) that Chalothon and Wansarat were lovers in past lives, even while it is Phaya and Wansarat (reincarnated as Tharn) who are paired by fate in The Sign.
And as the nagas and garudas are bitter enemies, the love story between Phaya and Tharn/Wansarat that transcends time and reincarnation cycles is also one that must have been (and will continue to be) forbidden by their respective naga and garuda tribes (especially since Tharn/Wansarat also used to be naga Chalothon's lover), and will undoubtedly be a source of conflict in the series. This is way beyond the Montagues and Capulets! 😍
So with this as the base, I took a look at the characters' names, and those belonging to Phaya, Chalothon, Tharn and Wansarat especially also reflect their garuda/naga origins. 🤩
Phaya's name (พญา) means lord, king or leader. While it can be applied to the nagas (พญานาค/phaya naak refers to the King of the Nagas) it is also used for Garuda (the Thai national symbol) – พญาครุฑ/phaya khroot, or Lord Garuda (and is what his name references in The Sign).
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(above) Billy Patchanon as Phaya
Chalothon's name (ชโลทร) is rare, but it is derived from Pali/Sanskrit and means river, sea or body of water, reflecting the watery homeland of his naga persona.
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(above) Heng Asavarid as Chalothon
Tharn's name (ธาร) also has a connection to his water-dwelling naga roots. Tharn/ธาร is short for ลำธาร/lam thaan and means stream, brook or creek (and he is thus a naga nong to Chalothon's phi).
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(above) Babe Tanatat as Tharn/Wansa
However, Tharn is his chue len. His formal name is Wansa, and is the same Wansa in Wansarat (which the narrative lets us know at Ep.1 [3‌/4] 9.35).
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(above) Freen Sarocha as Wansarat
Now Wansarat is spelt วรรณษารัตน์ in the subtitles (at Ep.1 [3‌/4] 9.02), and I can't find any translation of it that makes sense in the context of The Sign's world-building.
But Wansarat's name is spelt differently elsewhere on the Internet (on Thai drama websites, and movie databases, etc. like thaimovie.org), and I assume they've all based it on official releases from Idol Factory because the spelling is consistent across these other sources – it's วรรษารัตน์ there.
And Wansa/Wansarat spelt this way also reflects the nagas' dominion over water, because วรรษา/wansa (an archaic word, referenced in an older dictionary but not newer ones) means rain or rainy season (from the Sanskrit varsha) – in Thailand the nagas are also associated with rain control, and prayers are offered to them for timely and abundant rainfall when it is needed. (The -rat part of Wansarat is a feminine ending meaning jewel or gemstone, and may echo with meaning for speakers of Indian and Sri Lankan languages, since it's derived from the Pali/Sanskrit ratna).
Just out of interest (because nobody asked 😂) some of these naga/garuda elements were also present in the early episodes of KinnPorsche – the den of the Theerapanyakuls (nagas, wealthy beings of the underworld) was full of watery elements (e.g., the waterfall, the various pools, and Tankhun's carp – which in Chinese belief are the original, natal form of dragons). The -nak in Kinn's formal first name Anakin (which is not a traditional Thai name) is also a nod at the word naga. Porsche had the tattoo of a fiery phoenix on his back, and was out of his element whenever water was concerned (e.g., his failed pool challenge, the mermaid costume punishment, his misadventure with the sprinkler when he tried to smoke in the store room – water vanquishing the flame). Kinn was unable to make fire when they were trapped in the forest, despite claiming to be friends with the flame, while Porsche could immediately do it.
But I didn't see the KinnPorsche narrative taking the naga/garuda themes much further than these random nods in the earlier episodes. Maybe it did (like Kinn and Porsche could be seen acclimatizing to each other's realms more), but I just couldn't be bothered to look at the show more closely since it didn't really stand up to deeper scrutiny, and after the first few episodes I just went along for the exhilaration of the ride instead. 👍
Anyway, I'm totally bedazzled by the level of world-building going on in The Sign and look forward to more from the series. If the first episode is anything to go by, I think Executive Producer Saint Suppapong may be on to something! 😍
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anthonymhowellblog · 1 year
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Conflict with the Eyes Closed
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7nessasaryevils · 2 months
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Them: how obsessed are you with The Sign?
Me: yes
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conscbgb · 4 months
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NAGA GARUDA WORLD
The Sign the series
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Thanks for the cleaver scheme/explanation @tar_sa888 on Twitter
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blmpff · 4 months
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salmonpiffy · 9 months
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New OCs based on Thai interpretation of Naga (พญานาค) and Garuda (ครุฑ). The famous magical creatures
Northeastern Thailand, in a small town. One Naga family lives in peace among humans while disguising themselves. One day, Baibua, a Naga high school student. She got to know Tawan, a mysterious classmate. Baibua found out that Tawan actually is a Garuda! The oldest Naga's enemy! And that's how the whole mess began.
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spicyvampire · 2 months
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the garuda jumped out of Phaya
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thasorns · 3 months
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I have so many questions about this episode but the biggest question: is the Tiger-man real or not?
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itsallaboutbl · 4 months
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i think this is important for us (not thai) to understand a bit more of this
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telomeke · 4 months
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THE SIGN – IDOL FACTORY'S PHAYA SI SATTA NAKHARAT CEREMONY
If you were like me and a little mystified today by the various videos of Babe Tanatat, Heng Asavarid and Songjet Sarochinee all dressed up in naga finery and headed to some place of worship while Billy Patchanon goofed around them in civvies, here's an explainer.
Idol Factory held a Phaya Si Satta Nakharat Worship Ceremony at the Phaya Si Satta Nakharat shrine in Nakhon Phanom, way up in the northeast of Thailand earlier this afternoon. The actors were there to take part in it:
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From what I can gather, this ceremony was to pay homage to the Great Naga of the Mekong. The event was held at 4.00pm Bangkok time today (12 January 2024.)
Aside from physical offerings, (some of) the actors playing nagas in The Sign (Babe, Heng and Songjet) also performed a dance as part of the ceremony:
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The video of Babe, Heng and Songjet's dance performance can also be viewed on Twitter at this link here.
Billy sat out the dance though; I suppose as an actor playing a garuda it wouldn't have been appropriate or respectful (since nagas and garudas are enemies), but I'm just guessing here.
It shouldn't be surprising though if this were to be the case, since the naga and garuda storyline in The Sign is based on living cultural traditions in Thailand, and these are taken very seriously there indeed.
More to appreciate! 🤩
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disenchanted-youth · 4 months
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Why would you end it there?! Why?!
They already died together in each other's arms. Let them be happy oh my god. The first part was full of sweetness, but Tharn's desperate plea for help at the end will haunt me.
That scene when they ran in the opposite direction at the swamp. The moment Tharn ran back without seeing Phaya walk deeper into the forest my heart dropped.
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ritish16 · 8 months
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Vasuki and Garuda
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7nessasaryevils · 2 months
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My last fic for the #TSSCOUNTDOWN event!! TWO MORE DAYS!!! I AM SO EXCITED FOR PEOPLE!!!
Honestly, thank you to @thesignsource for setting this up because it made time go by so much faster. Blessings upon you!
Enjoy prompt 3: Naga vs. Garuda!
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conscbgb · 4 months
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Next episode we will go back in the past? When Tharn (Naga) meet Phaya (Garuda) for the first time and then they fall in love even if it's something unnatural and forbbiden? 🤔
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Quick recap Thay mythological aspects in TS:
Nagas are celestial beings/guardians of water or vheicle of the God of rain/water
Garudas are symbols of fire, strenght and vigilance
Garuda and Naga are enemies : Garuda the "devourer" is supposed to eat Nagas
Here Tharn- Naga seems afraid of Phaya-Garuda 👇
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The evil doctor is a Naga too imo 🔎and he hates Phaya for that reason...and obv because he wants Phaya far away from Tharn too 😑
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blmpff · 4 months
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The Sign episode 8 sneak peek
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12.01.24
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schwzshroom · 5 months
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The Slithered Garuda
No context tbh. Just want to try some new coloring techniques lol.
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