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nothingtherefornow · 4 months

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How will Miraculous Balance Lila lack's of ressources and power compared to Gabriel against the Miraculous Team ?

While surfing on a Miraculous Ladybug Reddit, I found a fan suggesting that Miraculous season 6 may be forced to introduce new super villains that have nothing to do with Lila, because for what little we know, Lila is just no match for Team Miraculous on her own.

Even if her excellents talents as a chameleon and manipulator can allow Lila to create numerous situations to her advantage to trigger akumatizations, and to potentially sow discord among heroes ("divide and conquer" as they say), the existence of magical charms that can now purify akuma in an almost Utopian Paris (and thus filled with a lot more positive emotions than in a previous full of corruptions), and the fact that Ladybug and Cat Noir are now capable of using the cataclysm and the lucky charm to infinity without detransforming put Lila in a serious disavantageous situation.

In the world of Miraculous where magic and the existence of meta-humans/mutants is common place, to introduce new original super villains who would attack Paris and ally themselves with a Chrysalis offering to make them stronger by akumatizing them would indeed be a plausible solution in the future season 6.

The problem for Lila is that according to the latest news, she does not have the same wealth or the same resources as Gabriel. The latter had his secret garden where he regularly harvested numerous butterflies which later became his akuma, in order to never fall stranded and to be able to continue attacking the heroes every day and thus give them very little respite, but also to be able to launch attacks of the scale of the scarlet butterfly.

I am certain that an akuma purified by Ladybug then becomes unusable, and we do not yet know if it is enough for a butterfly miraculous wielder to detransform then retransform so that their cane is always automatically equipped with an akuma if the the latter had just been purified. However, a wielder of the butterfly miraculous acting for good does not seem to have to worry about the same problem, because we saw in the Paris special that Betterfly could use the same kamiko, which he keeps in his weapon, to kamikoze more than one person at a time in a short period of time. Especially since Betterfly's kamiko seems to be fast enough to avoid being purified if Betterfly were to free its allies from their power just before the kamikozed object get destroyed (and in any case Betterfly doesn't have to worry about that. since the Ladybug of his world has become his ally). And in order to be able to create a second kamikozed champion without linking it to the same kamiko as the first, simply lend the butterfly miraculous to an ally so that the latter is also entitled to their own kamiko to use.

However Betterfly also showed us why having only one magical butterfly supplied with his weapon was a big disadvantage compared to Gabriel's akuma garden : the fact that Ladybug was able to find Hesperia by tracking down her only kamiko , which should automatically return to its creator. Gabriel didn't have to worry about his akuma being used to track him, because no purified akuma has ever returned to him, and an unpurified akuma can multiply, or Gabrie himself can certainly break the connection ( in the episode Ladybug, we saw the scarlet akuma turn white again and therefore "purified" after Gabriel transformed).

We do not yet know if the butterfly miraculous will always provide Lila with a new akuma in her weapon each time the previous akuma is purified by Ladybug, or if like Gabriel Lila will be forced to regularly harvest butterflies to make akumas. Especially since with only one akuma at her disposal, Lila could possibly be hunted down, unless she detransforms just in time after each fight. But unless Lila joins forces with Tomoe Tsurugi and asks for her help in creating her own butterfly garden, I don't think Lila won't have the same luxury that Moth/Shadowmoth/Monarch had.

Another fan confirmed that this idea would indeed be the best direction to take.

Although I think Lila will learn to create megakuma very quickly, magical charms can still work against them by being fueled by positive emotions. And as I said above, in the new Paris, positive emotions are likely to be much more widespread than negative emotions in a Paris that is no longer under the reign of a corrupt mayor and his equally wealthy corrupted partners.

This I can only see 4 ways in which Lila/Chrysalis could gain the upper hand over Ladybug and Cat Noir and become a more dangerous threat than Gabriel :

Create an alliance with Tomoe Tsurugi or another supervillain we don't yet know about, and give him access to other supervillain allies that Lila could easily manipulate into becoming her pawns..

Unlock powerful new powers never before seen with the Miraculous Butterfly, until you reach a power, able to counter that of Ladybug's magical charms.

Succeed in stealing miraculous from her future school friends, and even then the task will be difficult because apart from the ladybug, the black cat, the rabbit and the peacock, the other miraculous have changed shape, which could prevent Lila from recognize most of the magical jewels and steal them (unless she manages to discover with her tricks who and who within the miraculous Team)

Reveal to all of Paris the truth about Gabriel Agreste = Papillon/Papillombre/Monarch, and the fact that Ladybug voluntarily hid this truth, with the aim of sowing doubt and discord throughout Paris and within the Miraculous team, thus giving Lila more means to act and turning certain heroes and citizens against Ladybug

Without that I don't see how Lila can become a credible threat to Ladybug and Cat Noir.

This could also explain why Lila mentioned looking forward to meet Marinette again while putting the butterfly brooch on her, yet without mentioning Ladybug (if we assume that Lila doesn't know that Ladybug = Marinette). Maybe this is because Lila should be intelligent enough to understand that the power alone of the butterfly miraculous is no longer sufficient against Ladybug, and Lila must therefore at the beginning have only intended to use the powers of the miraculous against Marinette to ruin her life (what more easy than akumatizing herself into Chameleon or Volpina)

However, let's find out what scared Lila at the end of Re-creation first when season 6 comes out, and figure if it will play an important role in her future role as a butterfly super villain or not

#miraculous ladybug #miraculous ladybug season 6 theory #ml season 6 speculation #lila rossi #ml cerise #ml chrysalis #ml hesperia #gabriel agreste #tomoe tsurugi #I made that post in french #so here is the english traduction #ml Betterfly

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buggachat · 6 months

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this scene was normal with no undertones at all

bonus:

#ml paris #ml paris special #miraculous #miraculous ladybug #ml #griffe noire #claw noir #adrien agreste #shadybug #toxinelle #gabriel agreste #hesperia #betterfly #my art #ml paris spoilers #ml spoilers #oh no guys i got the comic bug again :(

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jascurka · 6 months

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babygirl........

#you know how that one tumblr post goes.. i want that man in ways that would have me expelled from the kingdom of god #people who hate on his design im sorry you have no taste #hey wait now this brings back some memories of how I imagined adrien in metamorphosis it is more or less like this??? ohoohoo #miraculous ladybug #ml paris special #miraculous paris special #gabriel agreste #betterfly #sketches #ml #my art

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monpetitchattriste · 6 months

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Miraculous (Gabriel's version)

#ml paris special #ml spoilers #ml paris spoilers #miraculous spoilers #ml special #ml special spoilers #gabriel agreste #betterfly #miraculous ladybug #miraculous #miraculous lb

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the-bluespirit · 6 months

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umihoshi · 6 months

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I am obsessed with Paris special v. Gabriel.

#the goodest of boys #can we keep him?????#miraculous ladybug #miraculous #shadybug #gabriel agreste #paris special #ml paris special #betterfly #ml special #hawk moth #shadow moth #monarch #papillon

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jichanxo · 5 months

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so i finally watched that new special...

#gabriel agreste #hesperia #betterfly #miraculous ladybug #miraculous #hawkmoth #ml paris special #miraculous special #jichanart #yeah this special felt VERY targeted (in a good way)#like obviously i have Opinions but overall very very good gabriel content i enjoyed it a lot

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burnt-toast2 · 6 months

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Just watched the Paris special and had a horrible thought

You know how Claw Noir turned to crime because his father cooped himself up in his room to ‘design’ and ‘work’ meanwhile he was actually fighting for the greater good?

And you know how Claw Noir is now good but his father still doesn’t pay him attention because he’s busy with saving their world?

But now Claw Noir won’t care so much because he’ll be fighting crime alongside a ‘new’ parental figure who he can rely on, someone who will pay attention to him because they’re on the same side

Someone who will be worried about his wellbeing actively because now he’ll be with the constant attention of betterfly, because betterfly is almost always fighting crime so it would make sense for his allies to do so too

And now take all of that and imagine the pain of finding out the identity of the man who cares so much for you is the same man who made you feel like you were abandoned and no one else cared about your issues

#betterfly #miraculous ladybug #chat noir #mlb #miraculous #ml #ladybug #adrien agreste #gabriel agreste #hawkmoth #monarch #Gabriel unintentionally neglected his child in this universe and that led to him spending even less time with him #adrien hasn’t had his fathers love in a minimum of two universes #Paris #miraculous Paris special #shadybug #claw noir

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tengo-sentimientos-saben · 6 months

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He's so adorable when he doesn't uunderstand.

#Look at that beautiful face #it's sooooo cute #miraculous ladybug #miraculous world #miraculous special paris #miraculous world paris #miraculous paris special #gabriel agreste #Hesperia #Betterfly #ml special

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bklily · 6 months

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Insanely wild that they just glossed over this.

Bonus: if this special took place after the end of S5, I imagine LB would be having 4 inner breakdowns

#miraculous ladybug #ml spoilers #mlb #ml #my art #lily doodles #chat noir #ladybug #ml paris special #ml paris #ml paris spoilers #ml paris special spoilers #betterfly #gabriel agreste #chat blanc #shadybug and claw noir

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moonetta-art · 6 months

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The holy trinity

#also the BEST songs … argue with the WALL #do you think Keith is happy everytime they give him a script of just singing #he EATS #miraculous #mlb #miraculous spoilers #miraculous into the reverse #ml paris spoilers #ml paris special #gabriel agreste #Hawkmoth #monarch #hesperia #betterfly #miraculous movie #mlb movie

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starags · 6 months

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I’m the only one who saw intro-Gabriel and instantly went ‘he looks like anime protagonist’? And I’m absolutely charmed about color palette?

Dark, redish and pinkish colors when we see his past and his struggles,

then purple when he is mourning, (plus the way Adrien's green reflects on him?)

and finally light purple and blue after he find his purpose?

Red and blue make purple, so I guess the mourning part is like the time between his worst and his best, his past and his future, and I love it so much.

Forget main universe, I want series about whatever is happening in this paralel universe - I have so many questions, that needs to be answered.

#miraculous ladybug #ml paris special #ml paris spoilers #gabriel agreste #but the only one we accept #betterfly #ml paris special spoilers #hesperia #ml spoilers #I cannot believe i wrote ml-centric post #after all this years i finally find someting worth writting about

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gale-gentlepenguin · 20 days

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You know, The Paris Special could have really shaken things up if instead of a Good Hawkmoth, they actually made the butterfly holder Emilie.

Like COULD YOU IMAGINE! Adrien actually seeing how his mother alive!? Being a hero in another world. Changing re-verse Adrien’s story to be missing his Dad would have also changed things up.

#miraculous ladybug #ml #ml paris special #why am I just thinking this now #plus Betterfly fits better for Emilie

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greentrickster · 6 months

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What I really want to know is how Gabriel ended up working with Alya and Nino because, frankly, I'm 100% sure that it started out as a hostage situation and also that neither of the kids were the hostage. Seriously, just-

Gabriel, exhausted from another busy night of trying to help people and fight back against the Supreme's tyranny, using whatever secret passage he has to get into his lair (the one where his counterpart keeps Emilie's cryopod) but heavens forbid his son find out about and get involved in such dangerous activities, he could get hurt! And he's not despairing but he's tired, so just kind of walks in and immediately de-transforms so he can talk to Nooroo, because it always helps to talk things over with a friend.

Thus he walks into his lair, exhausted and totally focused on Nooroo, who just freezes in mid-air staring straight ahead, mouth open, "Uh... Gabriel...?"

"Yes, my friend?"

And the kwami points and Gabriel turns the way he's pointing, and there's Alya, tucked in a spot that would be easy to defend or hide in where she has a good view of the entrance but is hard to see from it, and, most importantly, phone out, up, and recording.

Dead silence as they all stare at each other.

Alya: "I'll admit, not the story I was expecting, but I can work with it."

Gabriel: "...I don't suppose I can give you a substantial amount of money to leave and pretend you never saw any of this?"

Alya: "Yeah, no, I want in."

Gabriel: "In? On what"

Alya: "On saving the world and getting rid of the Supreme, obviously."

Gabriel: "What?! Absolutely not, you- you can't be any older than my son, who is a child, I'm not endangering a child in this battle-!"

Alya: "Could you repeat that for me? Because it sounded a whole lot like, 'Why yes, Alya, absolutely post that video you just got of Hesperia turning into Gabriel Agreste on your blog'!"

Gabriel: "...you wouldn't. You'd ruin everything I've been working for, the only chance we might have-"

Alya: "Glad we see eye-to-eye, glad to be on the team, I'm Alya, where should I put my stuff?"

And then she drags Nino along to help out, because power's meant to be shared, right, and there's strength in numbers, and also we'll need Nino because someone's going to have to plan and DJ for their victory celebration when they finally win!

OoOoOoOoO

Alternative that could actually be even more fun: Nino's actually the first one to join the revolution with Gabriel just because he keeps accidentally getting caught up in Betterfly/Hesperia vs. Claw Noir and Shadybug shenanigans, to the point that it's just easier to recruit him officially than to let things continue as they are. Then Alya pulls exactly the same thing as in the previous scenario, except this time she's trying to find out what the bae's up to instead of get whatever dirt on Agreste she was after.

#miraculous ladybug #ml paris special #ml paris spoilers #alya cesaire #betterfly #hesperia #gabriel agreste #fanfiction #(sort of)#Tales of Miraculous Hesperia

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theerurishipper · 6 months

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Part 2 of my Paris special commentary (Part 1 here) because Tumblr is an ass and has a word limit.

Disclaimer: This is long asf.

Marinette here playing 5D chess, queen shit.

The most important thing the special confirmed is that Gabe added the word "dark" to his transformation phrase on purpose cause he's a dramatic bitch.

I am here for Claw Noir mocking Gabe. Go off, king.

"Oh nO, iT WAs aN IlLusIon!" That giggle is adorable. She's so cute.

Ladyfly is an ass name, but she looks so great.

Not Gabe getting annoyed at Claw Noir's teasing. See, now this is why we stan Claw Noir on this blog.

Gabe's plan isn't half bad, actually.

Symbolism? In my children's cartoon? It's more likely than you think.

They're having a pun-off.

RIP Chat Noir's ear.

Gabe got feathered lmao

Monarch dipped like a little bitch.

A mirror, I called it. It'll make for some nice symbolism.

"Let alone a calm and gentle mom" I wonder what Sabine is like in their world to make Emonette feel like she's so alone.

I like how they handled the villains tbh. I wasn't a fan of making it seem like Marinette was one step away from becoming a supervillain at all times, but it seems less like that's the case and more like The Supreme took advantage of her suffering and vulnerability at her lowest moments.

It's also nice that they established that Shady and Claw weren't the actual big bads and are just hurt kids who got recruited into a fight they weren't ready for. Their motivation isn't some rehash of Gabriel's, they are literally trying to survive under the rule of someone who will kill them if they don't do his bidding, and because of whom they're dying. Their life is literally full of suffering and they're trying to find something that'll give them a way out. Shady wants Marinette's life, and Claw Noir wants his mother back.

Like, it doesn't excuse their actions, but it does add a more humane element to them that lends itself better to the kind of redemption Miraculous likes to do, which is to fix things with a speech. That's why this redemption works, and Gabe's doesn't.

Anyway.

The back and forth between Chat Noir and Claw Noir was pretty funny ngl.

And we discover that Claw Noir wants his mother back. Of course.

MY POOR BABY

When Marinette was talking about how she was also angry and hurt, but chose to love herself and the world around her and chose to try and fix it... that hit hard. Honestly, it did. It's everything I love about Marinette in one speech. I love it.

And then onto my personal favorite scene in the entire special, possibly in the entire show.

That whole conversation was powerful. "I'm as well as I can be anyway," that's so profound. Like, of course you aren't going to be 100% okay after losing someone you love, but Adrien wants to move on and be happy like his mother would have wanted him to. This scene really showcases Adrien's empathy and his strength, when he acknowledges that having no friends can make it harder for Claw Noir to move on, and then he tells him that only he can make the choice to stop being alone. And that's really true. This scene really showcases everything amazing about Adrien, his hope and optimism, his empathy and his strength. How he finds the strength to keep going by choosing to not be alone. It's beautiful.

Like, it could have been so easy for both Marinette and Adrien to give into their darkest impulses, and Shadybug and Claw Noir really are just representations of how letting your hurt overpower you can lead you down a dark path, and it really highlights their strength, that they choose to make the right choices everyday, despite everything. It really highlights their characters and their arcs. And they're able to take everything they've learned, and look at what they could have been in the eyes and help them change too. It's so poetic.

It would have been a little more impactful if the show had spent more than 10 minutes out of 5 seasons focusing on Adrien's grief and how it has impacted him, but whatever.

Anyway, it also had some Adrien and Nino friendship crumbs, and I'll be darned if I didn't gobble it up like a starved animal. Also, we have confirmation that "Space Mutants vs. Ghost Shark" is Nino's favorite movie, so Nino stans please say "thank you Paris special."

And they are REDEEMED.

Shadybug fixes everything with her Lucky Charm after spending the whole special making destructive ones. My heart.

Shadybug and Claw Noir stop being evil and immediately go from hating each other's guts to flirting shamelessly. They just speedran enemies to lovers in a matter of seconds. They literally just defaulted to flirting. Truly, the natural state of Ladynoir in any universe. We stan.

Gotta be honest, I'm not a fan of the new designs. Wish they had kept the old ones. I'm one of those people whose toxic trait is liking Claw Noir's design, so I'm a little unhappy with it, but hey, it's a sweet scene.

Also, Claw Noir's hair went from the color of rotten bananas to ripe bananas. If that was intentional, I applaud the writers for being both profound and funny as hell.

Aaaaaaand Gabe is back, because we can't have nice things.

The montage going through different realities was great, it was small but I enjoyed it.

They're literally so cute omg. Couple behaviors fr. I'm so obsessed with them.

HUGS

POUND IT

They're holding hands... already... like they're in love... I'm so emotional... I WILL NEVER GET OVER THIS

And they're gone. But their adventures will continue forever in my mind and in my fanfics. And in other people's art that I will ravenously consume.

Cute Alya and Marinette scene. This is really sweet, I love the exploration of the impact Alya has had on Marinette's life.

And now, I'm not an Alyanette shipper, but I think they should kis- oh, wait, never mind, they did it.

And thus, the endless night comes to an end (it happened a while ago but that's just semantics).

Final thoughts

I really loved this so much. Sure, there were some exposition dumps that probably should have happened in the actual series, but that's not the fault of this special. This is probably my bias talking but this is the best special and it's literally perfect, no I will not take any constructive criticism on that. This, this special and everything in it, this is what Miraculous is all about. This is exactly what I wanted, this is what I signed up for. It's literally the best thing ever to come out of this entire show.

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sugarviv · 4 months

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🥰 Reunion with an old friend!

#sugarviv #mlb au #ml fanfic #mlb fanart #miraculous fanart #miraculous lb #miraculous world #miraculous ladybug #ml fanart #betterfly gabriel #gabriel agreste #au gabriel #miraculous au #nathalie sancoeur #miraculous nathalie

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