I started vnc way back when there was only one volume, stopped, and only restarted it last week 🙈 since then, I have reread it twice and will again, once I'm done with exams, as it has turned me insane. And since no one I know reads it, I just wanted to ask what your thoughts are on my theory that the reason not 'didn't reach out to vanitas' thus leading to his death is because of Ruthven compulsion on him? Cuzco after the 'ill never set you free'thing, I just can't see noel not reaching out tonight purpose. Your blog is a joy to read through, and I love your meta!
Hello!! Thank you so much! It's always great to see another person having fun with my favorite manga :D.
My thoughts on Vanitas's eventual death are. complicated. If we keep going down the path we're on now, I honestly suspect Vanitas's death is going to be more assisted suicide than murder. IE, Vanitas asks for Noé to kill him because it's preferable to the alternative.
Per Ruthven's compulsion, I definitely think it's going to come up, and I do like the idea of Ruthven trying to force Noé to hurt or kill Vanitas, but I don't think it's going to be how Vanitas dies. In a way, I think that would feel somewhat cheap.
Noé killing Vanitas because of his oath to Ruthven would make sense on a plot level. It's a nice, logical explanation for why Noé would kill someone he so clearly adores. I can see why it's a lot of people's theory! However, that explanation wouldn't really deliver on an emotional level. It's just not interesting for Noé's characterization.
For one thing, making Noé kill Vanitas when he's not in control of himself would strip away all of Noé's agency. With VnC's opening chapter, Mochijun sets us up so that the entire time we're reading, we're asking ourselves "but why will Noé kill him?" It's a big source of intrigue and suspense. And to me, finally resolving that suspense with "It's not his fault! He was artificially forced to!" feels like a major letdown. It adds nothing to Noé's character. It's answering that all-important "why" with "There is no reason why. He didn't actually want to." I think that would be a cop-out.
Through that denial of agency, I think this ending would also risk losing out on a lot of potential character development for Noé. The core of Noé and Louis's tragedy is that Noé desperately wanted to save Louis, but the only kind of salvation Louis wanted from him was death, and Noé couldn't give him that.
Now Noé has another person close to him that is also seeking salvation through death. If Noé kills Vanitas, but he's not in control of himself when he does, that misses out on a big opportunity. Has Noé come to understand salvation through death? Has his worldview changed since Louis made that request of him? Does he have it in him to kill a loved one if that's what they ask? If Vanitas's death is forced by Ruthven, then we're much less likely to get answers to those questions.
Personally, my favorite hope/theory for how Ruthven's order will play out is the idea that Ruthven will order Noé to hurt/stop/kill Vanitas, but Vanitas will manage to snap Noé out of it in the same way Noé broke Vanitas's self-hypnosis in the amusement park. There's nothing I love more than a gay little parallel.
I can see a scenario where Ruthven's oath is what pushes Vanitas close to death? Maybe Noé will be ordered to try to kill Vanitas, and that will set off whatever horrible chain of events pushes Vanitas to ask for death that final time. But even if Ruthven does order Noé to hurt Vanitas (which is a big if), I don't think it will be what causes the killing blow.
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Ride 712: To the next step!!
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4: Was it hard?
Did you run with everything you had?
5: In this year's first years' race, the second and third place were
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1: Hinoki Keisuke
2: and Amigoe Kyoutarou
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1: You guys
2: We....chased him.... at full throttle, but....
3: As expecte.... we couldn't catch up!!
4: From the moment we started going around the dam.... I saw him for a moment ahead of us, but..... ngh!
5: Kyoutarou said he had a cramp in his lag
Wha!! After that you were saying “I can't do it anymore” too, Kei-chan!!
6: Imaizumi-san
Well.... anyway....
Pag 6
1: “Losing” really is frustrating
Pag 7
1: Yeah....!!
2: Amigoe, Hinoki, I have towels and water for you!!
Waaaa!! Thanks!!
Thanks!!
Eh, uhm... sorry
I'm a second year, Danchiku
Danchiku-san!!
3: On their first time riding a road-bike, they were Rokudai's assists
In their first race
4: They place second and third, with a 2 minutes difference with Kinaka
Wateer....
Fourth and fifth place are coming, I see two people
5: ….. huh
It's Murakami and Furuya!
Pag 8
2: Hahaha, it was so much fun... thoday's race!!
I'm very satisfied!! You did a good job!!
3: Kinaka!! Where is Kinaka!? I wanna congratulate him too!!
4: I did it, I did it!!
Sohoku!! The first years' race!! Damn!! I still can't believe it!!
5: Who told me two years ago... that “it's no use going to Sohoku”!!
I did it, I took it, I got results in Sohoku!!
Hahaha!! Are you seeing my strength now!?
6: Yoo, Kinaka, today's race was good!
Yes!!
Pag 9
3: Ex- excuse me.... teh
Thank you very much.... teh
4: Kei-chan.....
Kyou-chan.....
8: I.... I'm all worn out, but
Pag 10
1: I fullfilled my promise!!
Yeah!
Pag 11
1: You're incredible
Roku-chan!!
4: Yeah....!!
5: We'll join the club too
Until we make sure!!
6: Thank you, teh
For... for making sure I did it
Pag 12
1: Don't worry about it anymore
3: Yeah
Pag 13
6: You're right!!
Pag 14
1: The next day, Kei-chan Kyou-chan officially quitted the bicycle racing club
Thank you for your help
Pag 15
5: Are you sure?
6: Yes
Sorry for causing you trouble!!
Pag 16
1: Ah, it's okay, if you want to try again, you can always rejoin the club
They're not ready for that
2: I was surprised and shocked too
In case they decide to rejoin, they'll undergo a severe test
Ehhh!?
3: We'll rejoin the basket club
Excuse us
Even though I knew it
4: To advance or to stop, you're the one who decide
5: That's what bicycles are
6: If this is the path you chose for yourself, then follow it and move forward!!
7: Yes!!
'lright!!
Pag 17
2 Seeing them going away made me feel unsettled
3: The ground felt like marshmallows, and my heart shaked and wavered
5: So
Pag 18
1: I stood firm with all my strength, and with all my strength I waved my hand
Kei-chan, Kyou-chan, thank you!!
Pag 19
1: Rokudai-ku.....
Is he okay?
2: He's okay
Proably
3: Thank you
4: Separations make people stronger
Pag 20
2: Rokudaiii, I told you
We step on when we're halfway through the curve
You're too late, so you'll fall behind
I- got it, teh
I'll be careful teh
3: Ohoh!! Not bad, the NakaRoku combination!!
NakaRoku....!? That's a unique abbreviation
But still not as good as us!!
Pag 21
1: The team's name we e were once part of, the “SS team”, stands for “speed shot” which means to shoot through your opponents quickly
2: But we're different now!!
Our “team SS” stands for...
3: Special strong!!
Which means “special strong”*!!
(NdT.: the forst time he says it in english already, so then he repeats the meaning in Japanese)
Wha!?
His vocabulary....!!
4: Hahaha, what do you think, it suits us, right? Danchiku!!
Uh.... uhm!? Oh... yeah, it's... simple
Hahaha
5: You spent time.... to think about it...?
You know me well!! I searched in a dictionary!!
Is that so... well, in that case, it can't be helped
6: Danchiku
Pag 22
1: This year, let's go to the Inter High together
3: That's what I want
Pag 23
1: Special strong means that “the two of us are special and we become the strongest when we're together”
2: Issa …..!!
3: Well, Onoda-san said that the members will be announced at the training camp again
But don't worry, you even won on Minegayama last autumn
4: You'll become a member for sure, Danchiku!! Hahaha
5: “For.... sure””
Pag 24
1: Issa..... there's something I still can't tell you
2: After that fierce race on Minegayama last autumn
All the time
3: My body's joints are so tight, and they hurt so much that I can't run like I used to
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IT'S TIME! I'm super late, and I lurked in the Trigun Bookclub tag long enough, I'm committing to it!
This will be my 3rd time reading the manga this year. The first time was with my Dark Horse books, the second with Overhaul, and this time I'll be reading @trigun-manga-overhaul again. (Thank you Overhaul Team for your hard work!)
I'm not sure I can offer anything new that hasn't been covered. Maybe I'll just go off on what I liked and found interesting about it.
I'm no essayist, many have put into words what I've thought far more eloquently than I ever could. But if something piques my interest I'll try! I put (almost) all of my skill points in art and comics, so I'll probably pick out visuals or paneling.
If I'm feeling up for it, and have the time, I may color some of my favorite pages or panels. (I'm a Trigun old and this series heavily influenced my creative taste and I think it'd be a nice hommage.)
I got carried away with other things but I'm working up my vol 1 post! Excited to be here for my 3rd round. :3
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