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fereldanwench · 4 months

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i finished my rewatch (well, rewatch of s1-s5 + first watch of s6 bc i hadn't seen it before) of lucifer last night so some thoughts

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the relationships--platonic, romantic, sexual, parent-to-child, all of them--is the absolute best thing about this show and what keeps me here even when shit gets dumb. the friendship between all the ladies is my fave, but i was extra fond of dan this run and his friendships with amenadiel and chloe were just 10/10. i always liked that he and chloe didn't fall into the hostile ex tropes and were good friends who could co-parent

s3 remains my least favorite and the biggest slog to get through imo, but i still get a kick out of the episode with the undercover sting that has lucifer and pierce pretending to be a couple

s4 also remains my favorite--i feel like it just best encapsulates everything that drew me into the show in the first place

perhaps an unpopular opinion, but i was never a big fan of deckerstar being a fully realized thing. it's obvious that was always gonna be the endgame, but i just like the dynamic between chloe and lucifer a lot more as platonic partners with a little sexual tension and a lot of good-natured ribbing

s6 has some individually good moments, like eve and maze getting hitched--although i saw some people say that came out of nowhere and i respectfully disagree. they're both incredibly impulsive, i think it was very fitting and adorable, and I'm getting teary-eyed again thinking about maze realizing she is capable of loving and deserving of being loved

but anyway the A plot is built off a premise i hate so much: time travel. i loathe time-traveling shit in stories like this, where could it be explained as plausible (and they try, with chloe, i think, pointing out like 'well your brother can freeze time, is this really that much different?' yes, writers-via-chloe, it is, because you used the time-freezing in interesting moments and time travel is all around stupid) but it otherwise comes out of nowhere. and with a fuckin' future kid driving that plot? gross, no thanks

i mean, rory was mostly inoffensive, minus her telling lucifer she wasn't going to the suit fitting and then getting mad when he wasn't there, like girl, you did that one yourself. but if you're gonna introduce a main character in the last season of a show, that character had better be fuckin amazing, and she was not

i suspected i was probably never gonna be wild about how deckerstar wrapped up just because that was like the only relationship i was never super into, but again, the time travel shit is just dumb. I'm just really annoyed at the time travel loop thing being essential to lucifer finding his true calling or whatever and it was nice to see that chloe was always surrounded by friends even after he was gone, but omg what a fucking sacrifice on her part for real. i think it was meant to be a mostly happy ending with their reunion and it just did not hit that way for me. chloe deserved better

but ranting aside, i do still think it's a really fun show and there are so many prime comfort-food-watching moments that were perfect for a little casual holiday viewing <33

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raayllum · 2 years

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S4 and Tests of Love

Warning: spoilers for 4x01 of The Dragon Prince.

These two lines from Aaravos were ones that jumped out at me right away. Season two goes a long way to establish the thematic relevance of Love - History as a Narrative of Love as something that can break the cycle, juxtaposed with History as a Narrative of Strength that keeps perpetuating the cycle. Therefore our villain, Aaravos, commenting on Love, and beginning to sow seeds that the dichotomy between love and strength can be complicated, interested me greatly.

And now I think we’re going to finally see it come to fruition in season four, particularly with the characters of Callum and Claudia. For starters, they are paralleled in the poster and singled out specifically in having ‘fates’ that are beginning to unfold in Aaravos’ master plan.

Discover what different fates await two powerful young mages, Claudia and Callum, in the first official clip from SEASON 4 of #TheDragonPrince! (1)

And secondly, Aaravos has tethered Claudia’s tests of love to her father to his own plans for freedom. Claudia had to work tirelessly to bring Viren back from the dead after two years, not moving on or letting of this loss. Then, the plot is kicked off, as Aaravos tells her that she has one month to free him from his prison, or her father will die all over again. This is perfectly in line with Aaravos’ lines from S3.

Claudia has passed one test, and now she has to pass another, presumably by the end of S5 at the latest (so that S6 can have the heroes try and miserably fail to stop Aaravos, for ex). Aaravos knows how to use people’s emotions against them; he did it with Viren in S2, appealing to his loneliness, frustration, and sense of importance. He’s been quietly doing it, tugging on Claudia’s love for her father, and now putting that to the forefront in order to get himself out of his prison for good, because he knows she’ll do anything for Viren.

Aaravos doesn’t believe in just forcing people to do things; he believes in giving them tests to prove themselves - for better and rn, just for worse. (As he’s been given Lucifer comparisons, think the snake goading Eve to eat the apple as a Test of Faith, for ex, that she failed.)

As for Callum, I think it’s pretty clear where his Test of Love is going to be.

This is for a few reasons I’ve highlighted before, as Rayla is (unknowingly) charging right at Aaravos, and would be the perfect bait for the boy with his Key still in his possession. It would give Callum more agency in terms of choosing to go after her, help dismantle some of Rayla’s beliefs that led her to leave him in the first place, and be a choice the audience understands but also despairs at because we don’t want anything to happen to them, but we also know Aaravos getting out of his mirror is going to be terrible long term.

Additionally, this isn’t the only time Claudia and Callum’s Tests Of Love have been set up in contrast. Remember in 3x09, where they both commit powerful acts of magic, regardless of the cost to themselves, to save their loved one from the brink of death?

Callum and Claudia have always paralleled each other quite strongly, especially throughout seasons one through three. Although it seems like Callum will have even more parallels with Viren than he previously had, Callum and Claudia are currently two of the most vulnerable characters in the show, with something to lose and with something to protect.

I think it’s likely that just as Aaravos has laid out a Test of Love for Claudia to pass or fail, he’ll do the same for Callum in order to achieve his own ends - and although I think both characters will Pass those Tests, the consequences for the world will be disastrous.

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bitterbitern · 8 months

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Oh Lucifer!

My summer's tv fix(ation) has been Lucifer, meaning I'm late to the game in terms of the show's run, but I also get to go back and forth with full knowledge of how it all turns out.

I did not immediately get into Lucifer; I did not even finish the pilot when I tried it at some point in pre-pandemic times, but this summer I dove right in at like episode 2 or 3 and just watched the whole thing and now have gone back to squeeze the life out of the juicy and interesting bits. (beware, spoilers ahead for the whole run of the show)

The shot above is from season 6, where Lucifer turns to Chloe and he's gesturing about the position they might have been in when having sex and conceiving Rory, which is in my estimation comedic genius and one of the funniest moments of the show. I guess a lot of people have had trouble with S6, but coming as I do from a background steeped in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which dropped in a ret-con little sister in the 5th season, I didn't bat an eye at the time traveling daughter who shows up to timeloopparadox her way into existence through several more episodes to the end.

A lot of people didn't like how the series ended, either because it felt forced or was unfair to Chloe and on the first point, sure, but there's been worse finales to shows, and secondly, absolutely, but the show was never going to be able to be quite *that* subversive.

Think back to the S2E11, 'Stewardess Interruptus' where there's a whole long line of Lucifer's lovers lingering at the precinct that shows how promiscuous and daring Lucifer is, *gasp* there's men there too. What there isn't is anyone who isn't baseline "conventionally attractive" not matter how they're styled. Show me Lucifer getting it on with a dazzling array of different bodies and types (bring your fat, your amputees, your old, scarred weirdos) and I'll believe he's really willing to subvert his dear old Dad (or really that the showrunners are willing to challenge audience expectations.)

My point here as regards the ending of the show is that in all of the kerfuffle about if Chloe could accept Lucifer as the Devil and a Celestial and Immortal, but there's never any exploration about whether or not Lucifer can really accept Chloe for who she is: a mortal woman who lives a normal lifespan, whose body will necessarily not be young, perfect, perky etc and who will eventually die. They never have to do the gross boring stuff of being together long term with a human: the show is never clear on whether Lucifer excretes?? Do angels poop? Unclear.

Ending the show with Lucifer being the redemptive therapist rehabilitating the damned and brooding/missing Chloe for a million years from his perspective is preferable for the show runners: high drama and tragic love vs the risk that Lucifer in living a mortal life side by side with the detective might run out of things to miscommunicate about or might not always be "in the mood."

For all that, I'm a romantic and trust that Lucifer would be as totally deranged-devoted to Chloe in 50 years as he was when they met. It's just that on the shows own terms, that's not sexy or not the right kind of sexy.

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hazyaltcare · 2 months

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Lucifer again, asking for a Self-Care kit this time. Still DC, spoilers for s6 of my show.

I'm hoping for some items to connect with my family: Wife, Chloe Decker; Daughters, Trixie and Rory.

Things that remind me of them include: bullets, board games, Auroras/magic lights, angels, wings, knives, bright colors + magenta, chocolate, rum, Bones (show) (and cop shows in general), music (especially pianos and guitars), strength (emotional).

I would like to ask for a soft budget of $10 USD an item or some things that aren't necessarily to be bought (music or a video idk).

Sure, i mostly deal with product lists when it comes to self care kits, but i'll try to drop a few things (like a video or two or a recipe) that you might find nice on it, too.

Edit: just finished it, and since you gave me so many themes to work with, it's going to be a very long post 😉 enjoy!

Mod Haze (🥧Fiona)

#🥧#mod haze

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tarysande · 3 years

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Oh no, I've been thinking.

Okay, I can't stop thinking about something ending-related. I don't know this for certain, but based on previous statements and such, it feels like the writers were always aiming for a bittersweet ending. Like, no matter what else happened or how the story evolved, come hell (lol) or high water, that ending couldn't just be happy. For reasons. I guess.

Now, I don't mind a bittersweet ending ... if it makes sense for the ending to be bittersweet.

I critique stories for a living. I'm literally taking a break from the developmental edit of someone's novel to write this post. And the persistent thought that bugs me about the Rory setup is that it is so artificial. Time travel is a pain in the narrative ass. Time travel suddenly introduced in the sixth season of a show that has never touched on time travel? As an editor, I probably would've pointed out that time travel for the purpose of angst, especially time travel without rules that make sense ("I don't know anything about time travel! Except I do know you have to take the most painful path!"), seemingly introduced as a final ploy to make that bittersweet ending work ... well, to me, it breaks the narrative contract they established with the audience. Your audience is going to be confused. An editor's job is to alert the writer to any potential confusion so it can be fixed before the story goes to print, etc. Confused audiences get mad, annoyed, frustrated. They feel hurt. They put down the book and don't pick it up again. Usually, writers don't want that. But they're so close to their work that they need a completely outside perspective to say, "Hey, I'm not sure you realize this, but..."

I mean, I keep referring to Rory as "deus ex daughter" because in literary terms, she is a blatant deus ex machina. Rory is the god in the machine of the Bittersweet Ending.

Now, I loved a lot of S6. I did. My overall feeling about the season is not negative. But ... I can't stop thinking about why the things I didn't like REALLY didn't work for me.

I loved the emotional growth we saw in Lucifer and Chloe facilitated by the question of parenting and parental love. I did. And I would have loved to see a lot of those notes hit not with an angel kid out of nowhere ... but with the daughter already in the picture. Especially because it would have circumvented the icky idea that a child has to be one's flesh and blood to induce such feelings. I also understand that coronavirus and Scarlett's age and schedule made this difficult. But I just can't swallow that the only way to wrap up the story of this show--a show about found family, non-traditional family, friendship, connection, FREE WILL, love in all its many shapes and forms and colors ... was to introduce a brand new character via a device (time travel) that fails to make sense almost every time it's used, no matter the medium. (And then had only that brand new character be there when her mother died. Don't even get me started. Ugh.)

If time travel was always going to be on the table, couldn't we have found a more plausible way to use it with the characters we already knew, loved, and had spent four or five seasons with? A time-travelling older Trixie, say? If you're going to use the impossible device, just ... twist it another way to make it work.

Okay. Okay. So, leaving Trixie aside for now just like the show did, let's say we leave everything about the season the same, even Rory. Do you know what ending makes more narrative sense?

Future Rory sacrificing herself by NOT forcing Lucifer to make a cruel and impossible "choice" so the baby that might have been her grows up with a family that loves her. Chloe's already pregnant. That's not going to be undone. And this nonsense of a "closed time loop" falls apart if you side-eye it for even a few seconds. The Rory who came from the future never exists except in the memories of those she met when she came back from that future. Chloe and Lucifer lose that daughter even as they gain the new one whose existence is not a tool of unrelenting fate because wow this show has always been about free will what the heck happened there yikes. And a choice made under the duress Chloe and Lucifer were under, forced out of them, and forcing them to "choose" a life apart for *handwave* Reasons has nothing to do with free will. A "choice" made at gunpoint is not a real choice. Future Rory basically bullied them into ensuring she got to exist--something, quite frankly, neither her parents would have done.

Instead, how much more appropriately bittersweet is it if Chloe and Lucifer lose that child while gaining one who, because of that angry time-travelling version, will never suffer as she did.

Also as an editor: the groundwork for my version is already laid, by the way. It should have been Rory learning about the importance of free will over fate. The importance of personal sacrifice. The importance of not thinking your young self knows best ... because experience and therapy will help rid you of that self-centered world view. That's the contract the writers made with us with this show. And Chloe and Lucifer have already BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT. (See: the end of S4.)

Furthermore, this season finally HAD Chloe and Lucifer DEAL WITH the only thing that actually would have contributed to a narrative, characterization-based reason for Lucifer to disappear: His history of running and his putting Chloe on a pedestal. Once they really talked that out, his "disappearance" became a Rory-induced trauma of inexplicable fate that flies in the face of all the progress Lucifer made over six seasons. (I would rather have had more of that and less of mysterious disappearing oh no plot.)

And I'm sorry, the "Once you get to Hell you're going to work 24/7" excuse given for why Lucifer won't be around and why he can't make time for Chloe until she's DEAD(????!???) is ... it's lame. If AMENADIEL AS GOD can make time for his kid's birthday party, I refuse to believe Lucifer can't work out some Hell/Earth-work/life balance. Never mind that in the show about partnerships, the Bittersweet Ending just ... destroyed it. Chloe was planning on being God's consultant; she could have helped Lucifer solve Hell's Trauma Mysteries (it's what she did with Jimmy, setting up that yeah, Lucifer could do it alone like he accidentally did with Lee, but doing it with HIS TRUTHSEEKING PARTNER would be more effective). Just as Lucifer could have continued helping HER solve some of the problems within "that corrupt little organization" of hers.

tl;dr: I think the writers fixated so completely on their version of Bittersweet that they missed all the foreshadowing, groundwork, and clues that were right there, already built into the story, poised for a different kind of ending than the one they once imagined. That's why so many parts of it feel almost-but-not-quite right and why these aspects are so off-putting. That's why it's just not ... organic. It's something squeezed into a box it grew out of ages ago.

Ironically, certain elements of this season involved the writers insisting on the FATE they decided long ago instead of letting the story and the characters have the FREE WILL to choose a different, more fitting, more organic ending--one that had long-since evolved past that original flavor of Bittersweet.

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delphines · 3 years

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4.10 | Season 6 Trailer

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itwasmagic · 3 years

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#luciferedit #lucifer morningstar #chloe decker #deckerstar #tvedit #dailyreblogs #deckerstardaily #dcmultiverse #userssam: lucifer #userssam: gif #lucifer 6x07 #lucifer spoilers #lucifer s6 spoilers #i still haven't finished watching bc of work so im not looking at any spoiler tags #so sorry this has probably been done 584 times but theyre sooo cute #and the OUTFITS!!!#devildeckers ➜ pumpkin-s

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ariaadagio · 3 years

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Thoughts about S6

This is gonna be a little all over the place. Just me rambling, really.

So, I went up to LA to watch the show with some fandom friends on Friday. We had an absolute blast. I loved the finale season of the show. LOVED. I had some quibbles, of course, but none worth lingering on at length. I know the ending was controversial for some, but not for me. It worked on all levels.

I didn’t have much love for the end of 5B (I know, y’all are probably shocked, given some of the things I’ve written re: Lucifer becoming God or godlike) which is why I never really chimed in on the post-5B discussion. I just couldn’t muster much enthusiasm about it, and I didn’t want to froth about or hate on it when other people were having fun and gushing.

But my main issues at the time involved: Lucifer suddenly wanting to become God felt poorly setup and unearned, and Chloe suddenly quitting the force to support Lucifer becoming God felt incredibly impulsive, perhaps almost out of character.

S6 not only was perfect for me in its own right, it actually went back and fixed my S5B issues retrospectively. Lucifer suddenly wanting to become God felt poorly setup because it WAS poorly set up. On purpose. He never actually wanted to be God. It wasn’t his calling. And Chloe dropping her Detective job so suddenly WAS impulsive. On purpose. She really didn’t think that one through and ended up being bored out of her fucking mind without that job to engage her problem-solving brain. So ... kudos to the writers for that. I am so pleasantly surprised by that backtracking and never expected it.

As far as season 6 goes ... oh my gosh, what a brilliant roller coaster. Like @tarysande, I also spent a large portion of the season wondering what the evil trick was with Rory. I didn’t trust ANYTHING she said for many episodes. I kept waiting for a shoe to drop that never did. I really appreciate that Deckerstar did not get married—I never felt like a marriage was necessary for them given where they were in their life (a divorcee and a Devil who isn’t beholden to human constructs of law). I actively did not want a Deckerstar baby, but the show did it in a way I found absolutely lovely. Rather than using Rory as a magical “happily ever after” button as so many shows do, she was a tool to create massive character growth in Lucifer, and I am so on board with that.

I cried during this season. Frequently. Which is something that rarely happens for me when watching or reading fiction. I am just ... so stupidly emotionally involved in these great characters.

Some people may fixate on the separation between Lucifer and Chloe until her death, but to me ... it worked. Lucifer found a higher purpose and chose to fulfill it, to keep his promise to his daughter—to be a better father for Rory than his father was for him—and he does still ultimately get a “happily ever after” with his family and friends and dearest loved ones. It just starts a little later than planned. Chloe, meanwhile, gets to live her life knowing without doubt the love of her life is not only okay & pursuing his calling, he’s waiting for her on the flip side. They’ll have eternity together—ETERNITY, in exchange for a few decades apart. Bittersweet? Yes. Tragic? No. So I am okay with this. This is a level of certainty no real human ever gets—and as someone with zero certainty about the future whatsoever, I can’t express enough how much this foreknowledge alone would be a comfort in difficult times. It really resonates with me as a meaningful gift.

I do agree that there’s plenty of room for Lucifer to see Chloe without Rory’s knowledge, though I’m on the fence about how realistic this is. I think Dan called it, honestly. Having to watch and not participate is more torturous than not participating at all. And, as I said, he gets to see everybody eventually. He knows his daughter will understand—actively consents, even—and he knows their reunion will come. He knows Chloe will come back to him, too, because he’s grown to trust and love her fully.

Along those lines, Lucifer showed amazing character development this year. Once this man figures out his feelings and commits, he is ALL IN. I was so proud of him, talking out his feelings, and saying I love you, and hugging people left and right. His goodbyes made me tear up, particularly the scene with Maze. Which. OMG. These two. That scene was a long time coming, and so heartfelt. i loved it. I also loved how comfortable in his own skin he finally seemed this season. He utilized his wings SO MUCH. And his devil face where appropriate. And there was zero angst about any of it.

Time travel is a trope that tends to break my brain, but ... I think Rory showing up is what enabled her own conception. Lucifer didn’t think he could have kids until he finds out he does in the future and then boom, suddenly he can conceive. He self-actualized working swimmers. I know this creates a chicken or the egg paradox—how could this loop ever even start if Rory hadn’t existed at least once on her own—buuut, I’ve definitely seen this trope used in other shows, such as Netflix’s Dark. So, imho, there was an added level to Lucifer’s sacrifice at the end—he wasn’t just trying to preserve his own epiphany via a promise to his daughter, he was actively choosing to save his daughter’s entire existence, and he was choosing to be different from his father.

People who think Lucifer was robbed of choice ... I beg to differ. For the reasons stated above, and also? He was the one who came up with the idea of returning to Hell. No one forced that on him. The only thing Rory did was speed up his time table. And I think there’s a beautiful kind of symmetry to the idea of him returning to Hell and choosing to reframe it as a place of healing, rather than eternal suffering. In a sense, he’s making his own Plan for himself. He’s defining his role in the universe: the Devil, not God. He’s defining his family: Chloe, Rory, Trixie, Dan, Maze, Eve, Linda, Amenadiel, Ella, and all the great friends he’s made. He’s defining his home: not a place, but where his heart is. For the first time in his life, the Devil decided who he is and what he wants to do with his life, instead of letting external forces do it for him.

And I fucking loved every minute of it.

A perfect ending for a long, thoughtful journey.

P.S. If you disagree with me, that’s fine. There’s no wrong way to interpret art and media. But please know I’m not really in the mindset for debate right now. I just want to live in my happy post-S6 bubble. I’d appreciate it if you let me :)

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thewollfgang · 3 years

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I have decided that Rory is the angel of Punk Rock music as she is descended from the angel of classic Rock and Roll

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sprialing · 3 years

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really fucking hating this recent trend of TV characters only achieving true happiness after they die. what kind of message is that supposed to be sending, exactly?

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spittingspite · 3 years

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That finale was. A Choice. Anyways new game pull a finale plot out of your ass and see how it compares to the actual finale. Bonus points for sticking as close to the canon finale as you can I'll go first

The stakes are this: if Lucifer does not return to hell and abandon his daughter like he's supposed to, Rory will vanish from existence. Lucifer and Chloe are desperate for a solution, because neither of them want Lucifer to go, but they cannot in good conscience let their daughter vanish from existence. Even if she's just a future version of their daughter, she's still their daughter. They are running out of options, and coming to the conclusion that Lucifer will have to once again sacrifice his life and his happiness so this future version of his daughter will live. They can think of no options, and reluctantly accept that Lucifer will have to leave. Lucifer is understandably distraught, but he loves Rory and doesn't want her to die, not after they just saved her. Together, they make the choice to sacrifice their life on Earth together so Rory can return to her own time unharmed.

Seeing the pain her parents here in, and remembering how Lucifer said that abandoning her would be the worst torture imaginable for him, Rory makes a decision. Now that she sees her father truly does love her, to the point he is willing to torture himself for millennia (since time works differently in hell) for her ensured safe return to her own time, she makes the choice to let herself fade from existence. She assures her parents it's okay, and tearfully asks them to make sure her next life (aka the Rory Chloe is pregnant with) is better. Lucifer and Chloe hold her in their arms as she fades away. After Lucifer has spent six seasons sacrificing himself time and time again for his loved ones, it comes full circle as his daughter, who was willing to kill him at the start of the season, sacrifices herself for him out of love.

Lucifer and Chloe are understandably upset, but vow to do better this time, when the Rory from THIS timeline is born. Lucifer gets to stay on Earth with Chloe, raise their daughter AND is a dad to Trixie, and when Chloe finally dies from old age, they are finally ready to begin to fulfill Lucifer's calling as the healer of hell together, knowing Rory is happy and can visit them at any time.

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luthienne · 3 years

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How does it end ?

well. we start season one with lucifer trying to escape hell (the source of his greatest trauma) but repeatedly being forced back down; we watch him furious and hurt and abandoned by his father; we watch him developing genuine feelings for someone. hm. we end season 6 with lucifer being forced back to hell, having to let his daughter think he abandoned her (and also just not getting to watch her grow up), and leaving the person he falls for (after we spend several seasons waiting for them to finally get to be together). i ??? i just don’t know why they even bothered to set up character and narrative arcs if they were just going burn it all to subvert some kind of happy ending trope

#ask #anon #lucifer spoilers #lucifer s6 spoilers #this is probably incoherent bc i literally just finished watching and am genuinely speechless rn sdjfksjfks #also the entire daughter plotline was so unnecessary!!!!! they did not need to introduce that in the final season oh my god

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tossacointoyourmorningstar · 3 years

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you know if Lucifer had just asked Rory who her mother is, that would have saved like half an episode

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whathelluci · 3 years

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ok but Lucifer doesn't realize how naturally great he is with kids??

Trixie instantly liked him on their first meeting (and told Rory she loves him!). he was concerned over those poor abandoned kids in 6x04 and told Mira to reconnect with her mother again.

and the look on his face when he discovered he shares a daughter with the love of his life. and his first reaction was he would never abandon his child because he of all people would know how much it hurts being abandoned by a parent.

after a misunderstanding, he just... immediately embraced fatherhood. he tried so hard to connect with Rory. and within a few weeks of knowing her he already knows he loves her

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lucianalight · 2 years

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what did you think about season 6 of lucifer as a whole?

I was delaying answering this ask because I wanted to answer it when I watch S6 a second time...but the truth is I couldn't bring myself to do it and I doubt if I can watch it again anytime soon, or ever. Because as you might have guessed, I hate what they did with the story.

Buckle up cause this is a long post.

*If you don't want to read criticism of season 6 of Lucifer, don't read under the cut*

First of all, I think the quality and writing of S6 was the weakest amongst all the seasons, and yes that includes S3 which I've always considered as the worst season before S6. Apart from the slow pacing and how boring it could get at times, the writing and the message of episodes was so amateurishly on the nose and sometimes even pretentious. Which is sth that I didn't expect from the writers of Lucifer at all.

You see, Lucifer has always been a progressive show and its strength lied in the writers' ability to make the progressive messaging so ingrained in the flow of story that it felt proper and natural and didn't break the suspension of disbelief. In this season however, those progressive messages were too in your face. The writing lacked subtlety and as a result you felt like you're being lectured instead of watching a story. And I absolutely hate it when it happens no matter how much I agree and support the message the story tries to convey. I consider it a failure in writing because when you feel you're being lectured, it pulls you out of story and as a result you can't suspend your disbelief, it insults the audience's intelligence and it feels forced. This is specially an issue when these days writers try to include progressive messages in their story. They handle it clumsily and people think "wokeness is ruining movies" which is completely untrue. It's the terrible execution of it that ruins the story.

And it unfortunately happened with S6 of Lucifer and it baffles me considering how perfectly Lucifer has been handling serious and progressive issues until now. Quoting my bff here "It felt like they had a list and they just wanted to tick the options on their list and get them out of their way, claiming that they addressed certain issues".

The on the nose writing, didn't just include the woke messages. It even applied to what the story wanted to tell us about the characters, their arc and the plot of each episode. And it started right with the first episode with "You are a truth-seeker, I'm a wonder-seeker" that aimed to show that Lucifer wouldn't like being god because then he would be omniscient and there wouldn't be any wonder for him. They told one of the main plot points right at beginning, before showing it! Which is basically one of the issues of on the nose writing, telling things without showing them. And then at the end of story we have this line "If the devil can be redeemed then anyone can" which was completely unnecessary, not to mention that didn't really made sense considering the story we've been told of Lucifer(I will explain about this more later). The examples are a lot but I don't want to make this post longer than it already is.

But all of this, is not my main issue with S6. Before I start talking about it, let me just say that there were many many moments in S6 that I loved and enjoyed and I think all of characters' arc were done wonderfully...Except the arc and story of the main characters. Which is another sign of bad writing.

We know that all of Lucifer's issues, his pain, bitterness and anger was rooted in how his dad cast him out and neglected him, refused to talk to him all of that time and never told him he loved him. And with the arrival of Rory, we learn that Lucifer has done the exact same thing to his daughter. And in the end, it turns out that it was "Rory's choice" for things to happen that way. So Lucifer leaves his family and decides to live for thousands of years with an unimaginable torturous pain, just because in the end he could help Rory to heal and overcome her anger and pain and not fall into darkness like him...A healing that wouldn't have been necessary if the abuse didn't happen in the first place!

Not to mention that it makes absolutely zero sense that Amenadiel, the literal god, could have time to be in his son's life and Lucifer couldn't! Oh wait, Lucifer couldn't because Rory asked him to never leave hell, to let her wallow in anger and self-hatred, never knowing his father, never knowing why he left and no one telling her anything, just because in the future she gets to spend a few weeks with her family and be healed of the pain and darkness! Sth that she could have her whole life if Lucifer worked in hell as a part time job.

So the message the show actually sends in the end is that abuse and neglect are OK as long as it helps you heal! Because look what god and Lucifer did to their children, in the end helped the children to heal and find happiness!!! Which is an incredibly harmful message and against everything the show has been trying to say until now. This is blatant abuse apologism.

And you wonder why a show that handled a lot of psychological issues almost perfectly, ends with such a terrible message. The answer is incredibly disappointing.

Lucifer Showrunner Didn’t Want Season 6 To Have A Happy Ending

“The difference between [Deckerstar] and another couple is that we had immortality to play with. So we knew they would be together forever, no matter what. And we kind of like to reside in the bittersweet and gray areas. A resounding happy ending just felt wrong, but so did something tragic. So the ending was our sweet spot by having them sacrifice something, but to then ultimately end up with each other.”

So they used Rory as a plot device, made up a totally stupid reason for Lucifer to stay away for the whole lifetime of Chloe, just because they didn't want to have a happy ending! Oh yes the new trend of writers thinking happy endings are over rated and being edgy, somehow makes the story and their writing so much better!!! Which is totally wrong. It's not a sad or bittersweet ending that makes the story good. The ending has to actually makes sense with what the story has been building up and foreshadowing and what they did in S6 as the reason is for the bittersweet ending is a weak and nonsensical reasoning that easily falls apart with simple logical questions. It is simply lazy writing.

And it's another main issue I have with S6. Just to be clear my problem is not the bittersweet ending. I'm perfectly OK even with a tragedy if it's done well and makes sense in the context of the story. My favorite season is S4 and I would have been totally OK if it was the last season because the reason Lucifer left made sense both as a logical solution to what had happened and for Lucifer's character development.

If they wanted a bittersweet ending, why didn't they wrote it in a way that Rory makes the hard decision of breaking the time loop, let herself be erased forever so another version of her can have an actual happy life with her family without experiencing all that pain. That way they would lose a child and at the same time would have another chance to make things right.

Another thing to consider is Lucifer's immortality and it baffles me that people claim it was a reason they couldn't have Lucifer in Chloe's life with her aging and him doesn't. Why? Wouldn't it be wonderful to see Lucifer, be loyal and stay with Chloe no matter that she aged? Wouldn't have been beautiful if he stayed with her when she dies and flies with her soul to the afterlife?

I also didn't like how they completely erased Trixie of their lives. Why we didn't see more of her struggles after Dan's death or her reaction to the possibility of new life with Lucifer? And where was she when Chloe was in her death bed?

Another minor thing that bothered me was the recurring trope of showing a character's growth through using less "dark and edgy" clothing and makeup. This Rory in her first and last appearances.

See what I mean? This is a lazy and tired trope and I hate it. Like healing is not gonna change my taste in fashion ffs.

Now let's talk about the message at the end of the series which I said I'll talk about.

"Because if the devil can be redeemed, then anyone can."

Which is a great message, don't get me wrong, but what exactly has Lucifer is redeemed from? As we've seen since the first season he is not the evil monster everyone thought. Humanity's sins are not his fault. He didn't even enjoy torturing souls in his kingdom. We are never shown what he did that was so terrible. On the contrary what we learned was that he is a good man, misunderstood, wrongly vilified and humanity's biggest scapegoat. And his journey more than being about redemption was about healing and self-acceptance. So this sentence is out of place and doesn't really makes sense.

In conclusion, while S6 had some great and enjoyable moments, the nonsensical ending and terrible message ruined the whole story for me. Because instead of showing Lucifer breaking the cycle of abuse, they validated neglect and abuse, by making him recreate the same abuse he went through for his child, just because they didn't want a happy ending. And I'm deeply hurt and I hate how they ruined an otherwise beautiful story. I rather forget this season ever existed.

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