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SPN 1X02 Wendigo Retrospective Meta

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Summary (via IMDB) Sam and Dean make a stop at Blackwater Ridge and end up helping a young woman and her brother find their other brother, who mysteriously disappeared, while on a camping trip, in the woods.

Teleplay by: Eric Kripke

Story by: Ron Milbauer and Terri Hughes Burton

Directed by: David Nutter

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Episode Notes:

Our first Then-Now segment.

November 2, 1983- This, combined with Jess' tragic death, establishes it's been 22 years between the Winchester's lives being ruined by fires. The Pilot, oddly enough, didn't make the significance of the dates clear. I chock it up to the Pilot having so many drafts. that some plot relevant stuff got lost in the shuffle.

And, now our title card has sound! The first time we see SPN's logo, it's completely silent. Again, constant tweaks between episodes.

Blackwater Ridge

Lost Creek, Colorado

We open on 3 people camping, as one dude calls his sister Haley to deliver exposition.

Of course they're being hunted in the woods, as the camera gives us a monster's eye view.

Haley's brother (still nameless) is reading when one of his friends is attacked. Now, knowing this production crew, there must be some significance to the book he's reading-

-it's Joseph Campbell's The Hero with a Thousand Faces. Who, in this book, wrote of the Hero's Journey.

I- I'm, I can't, Kripke, no. It's only episode 2, slow down. Please. You're getting ahead of yourself.

Gary's fucked. Bye, Gary.

Palo Alto, California

Confirmed, Jess died on 11/2.

Sam expresses grief, and then regret, in not telling Jess the truth, as we're treated to a bad jump scare that only got me the first time.

Dean offering to let Sam drive, to get his mind off of things, asking how Sam's doing. Doesn't buy it when Sam shrugs it off.

To find Jess' killer, they have to find John, who is nowhere to be found.

Connecting the dots already between Mary and Jess.

Blackwater Ridge

Lost Creek, Colorado

A bunch of abandoned gold and silver mines, hmmm...

Haley sounds like a worried older sibling. I'm sure Dean can relate.

Sam assumes Dean wants to get in Haley's pants, while Sam just wants to find John as quickly as possible. Dean notes his brother's change in attitude to "shoot first and ask questions later".

Tommy's his name. Tommy Collins. Alright.

Oof, Haley's really the older sibling. Looks like there's a 2nd brother, too, that she's cooking for. Reminds me of flashbacks of younger Dean, providing for Sam. Haley's very observant, as well, asking for ID and noting Dean's unusual car.

Parents gone, only "two brothers and me", not "us three". Call it clunky writing, or call it Haley identifying herself not as her sibling's equal, but as the one in charge.

Dean connecting with Haley on her urgent need to find Tommy, "I think I know how you feel." At first, one would think he's just referring to John, but everything we've seen thus far from Haley screams as someone searching for a little sibling/feeling parental.

Haley shows Sam and Dean Tommy's last message (recorded on his fucking flip phone. Tommy would be the kind of person to use a go-pro or a selfie stick). Every 23 years. Alright, first off, I love how cryptic the Pilot was about the monster reveal, while here it's just 'Wendigo' in the title. Second, the similarity between the Wendigo and what John's ultimately hunting: a creature killing every 20 or so years. Maybe the slight difference of 22 years vs. 23 made John leave. Or, he figured out it was a Wendigo, and dumped the case on his kids without any heads-up.

Sam and Dean interview a Wendigo survivor from '59, someone who was so young when it happened, no one believed him. It all got swept under the rug as a Grizzly attack.

A little detail I'm noticing now; the Wendigo is vulnerable to fire, that's why it left the kid in '59 alive. The boy had fallen asleep in front of the cabin fireplace. And earlier, the Wendigo, just before killing Tommy's friend, hesitated at the sight of the campfire.

Sam and Dean figuring out the creature has to be corporeal, ruling out spirits and demons as potential culprits, means John probably knew, too. Knowing John's looking for the Yellow Eyed Demon this whole time...

Sam wants to tell Haley the truth to keep her from going into the woods, and Dean counters with this:

Dean: "Her brother's missing, Sam. She's not gonna just sit this out."

To further my point from before; the focus is on the worry a guardian would have for a dependent. Dean sees John as the man with all the answers. Dean relates to Haley not because his worries over John are equal to Haley's about Tommy, but because he's probably fretted over Sam the same way. An alternative, and equally valid point, though, would be Dean sympathizing with Haley over losing 'Family', as I brought up in 1X01, when Dean insists to Sam he's not only a Hunter, deep down, but a Winchester.

Sam: "Finding Dad's not enough? Now we gotta babysit, too?" (at the idea of Haley coming with them on the Hunt). The glare Dean gives in response to this shows how much Sam is missing the point.

The guy Haley hired is just trying to do his job. I used to be annoyed with him, but with this rewatch, I'm more annoyed at Dean. Dean's the one who insists they can't tell anyone their secret, and yet they (Sam and Dean) could've benefited from cooperating with Haley's group. It makes Dean come across as an arrogant know-it-all who dismisses the help of an expert despite being on such unfamiliar terrain.

We catch up with Tommy, who sees his friend get eaten. That's gonna need some therapy.

Dean starts sizing up the guide Haley hired, Roy, and Dean's doing the whole "Well, has anything ever hunted you back?" shtick. Right as Roy saves Dean's ass from a bear trap.

After Haley confronts Dean (who up to this point has just been giving Roy a hard time), he tells her part of the truth; he and Sam are really brothers, and they're looking for their father. Telling Haley this is the "most honest I've (Dean) been with a woman. Ever."

M&Ms as provisions. Of course, Dean. Only a 26 year old can get away with that.

Roy calls the group over to Tommy's campsite, which is wrecked.

Haley finds Tommy's phone. It must seem like any chance of getting in touch with her brother is gone for good. Dean comes up and assures her Tommy could still be alive. I'm sure Dean's felt this many times with John, especially now.

The Wendigo mimics a man's voice, lures everyone away, and takes the distraction as an opportunity to destroy/steal the group's supplies.

Putting it all together, Sam figures out it's a Wendigo. He tries to talk the group into going back to the cars, not giving the whole truth, and Roy's, rightfully, fed up. Think of it from Roy's perspective; these two actual babies come waltzing in, clearly lying about their government job, almost getting themselves caught in a bear trap, Sam and Dean must seem like a couple of walking disasters.

Poor Roy. Your greatest crime has been using logic.

Now, thiiis, referring to the Wendigo as not only a Hunter, but the perfect Hunter.

Dean: "Nobody likes a skeptic, Roy." Dean, you were pulling that shit with Roy, first. "Well, has anything ever hunted you back?" Having all the answers doesn't make you any less of a douche.

Sam and Dean come to the conclusion John has probably never set foot in Lost Creek. I still stand by the idea John checked it out, and then ruled it out. Sam and Dean have so little to go off of, in finding John, they're grasping at straws.

"Saving people, hunting things. The family business." Connecting what the Winchesters do as Hunters, and the Wendigo itself is the perfect Hunter. More on that, later...

Why doesn't John just call, play it to them straight? Because Sam won't listen to John, but he will listen to Dean, who's bought John's philosophy hook, line and sinker. And, John's so obsessed with revenge he sees nothing wrong with this.

The Wendigo once again tries to trick the group.

Bye, Roy.

It's the next day, and everyone left tries to regroup.

Sam and Dean fill Haley and her remaining brother in on Wendigos. Since the only instance of people being up in Lost Creek were miners, I'm guessing the Wendigo was a worker who got lost/trapped in a tunnel collapse with only their fellow miners to keep them company. And fed.

So, Wendigos are creatures who were once people, but give in to cannibalism. They then develop an insatiable hunger, but never turn wild; they're still very much Human.

Hi, Roy. Nice to see you're still hanging around.

Dean and Haley have been kidnapped, who could have ever seen this coming?

Dean's trail of M&Ms leads Sam and Haley's brother to an abandoned mine. Sam and the brother fall through the floor, finding the Wendigo's kitchen. They find Dean, Haley, as well as Tommy.

Dean volunteering himself as bait is tragically typical.

For once, Sam has to look up (at the Wendigo).

Okay, real quick, I appreciate the time and energy it took to make the Wendigo costume. For obvious budgetary reasons, SPN relies on monsters that conveniently look Human, so it's a real treat for the baddie to actually look monstrous.

Haley: "Must you cheapen the moment?" ladies, gents and distinguished individuals, this is Dean propositioning someone without saying a word and using only his facial expressions. People are gonna get confused over the next 14 seasons over Dean not verbalizing he wants to fuck, but I'm happy to say he's been doing it from the start. Bonus points is that Haley instead gives Dean a kiss on the cheek, which seems to fluster Dean, implying he wasn't actually expecting her to respond. Almost like Dean's putting up a front, or something.

Sam takes Dean up on his offer to drive, how sweet.

Post Episode Meta/Notes:

(These were all written during the episode, so if the flow feels weird, that's why. I just want to try sticking meta related stuff at the end)

(After Sam and Dean realize John was never in Lost Creek) Another thing, though, is this shows a similarity between John and Sam; with a 'bigger' hunt in mind, they're willing to let 'smaller' cases pass by. Call it selfish (it kinda is) call it what you will. Now, look at Dean. He may be arrogant, yes, but he can step into someone else's shoes and understand they need help. Haley's just gonna blunder into the Wendigo's clutches, otherwise. This is an example of, despite the separation of time, John and Sam have a lot in common.

(After going into the origins of the Wendigo) A person gives up their Humanity to become the perfect Hunter, but is forever consumed by hunger... for flesh, or revenge?

(After Dean and Haley get kidnapped) OH WAIT I'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG.

Roy is a stand-in for John. Older Hunter that's been at it for as long as Sam's been alive, acting condescendingly towards the younger Hunters, undermining their ability. Dean's giving Roy a hard time because he can't and won't say the same to John's face.

After that whole speech from Dean about all John knows being in his journal, and having that book bestowed upon him and Sam, it started to click for me.

That’s my take on 1X02 Wendigo! Thank you for reading, share your thoughts, and let me know if you wanna be tagged in my next meta on older Supernatural episodes! And, if you’re interested in more content about this particular episode, I have a post on both it and 14X16 Don’t Go in the Woods!

https://poorreputation.tumblr.com/post/183625991916/spn-14x16-dont-go-in-the-woods-meta?is_related_post=1

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thejohncamp3ablog · 6 years

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DCEU for the win beyond Justice League

Why you probably are wrong when you say the DCU is not successful.

I have been tormented as a fan of DC films since the Man of Steel days by both DC and Marvel fans, the reason for those attacks is the notion that they are a failure. I have been thinking lately, what is the definition of failure and when I really thought about it, I came to the conclusion, that its mainly facts twisting in one’s mind.

DC films is considered a failure when it is directly compared to the Disney owned Marvel Cinematic Universe, but have in mind that this comes mainly from the facts that its movies are critically panned. If we assume that these critics are the ultimate source for knowledge on all things movies than, yes DC is a failure based on a Rotten Tomatoes score, but to be very precise, that score is the big flashy one with a % behind it. That % shows the number of critics that were included in the tomato-meter, meaning their reviews were imported on the RT site and taken into consideration for the final score. It represents the number of critics that said yes or no to a movie to speak generally. In a more in depth look, there is a second number, which represents the actual score given which is 1 out of 10 metric system, in the reviews itself, some assign a 1 out of 5 other out of 10 scores, and some haven’t even assigned one. So, if you grab all these scores for each MCU and DCEU movie and combine for an average, the difference would be 5.85 for DCU vs 6.9 for MCU. To me, calling a product, that is scored in the high 6 being called AMAZING vs the low 6 being called terrible is laughable and stupid on so many levels, that I will skip debating that what so ever. When you go to fan driven score sites like iMDB, things are looking similar , no big difference there too.

So, I ask myself, if the product is similar in that respective, then for DC to be called bad and MCU called amazing, there must be another metric, that shows that clearly, I turned to Box Office numbers, but since DC has released only 5 movies, vs MCU’s 17 movies, we can’t really compare as DC is 12 movies short. I can’t add non DCU DC movies, because the template is different, and it wouldn’t be really accurate, so I compared phase 1 Marvel movies to DCEU’s first 5. Now for the MCU I am leaving The Avengers as part of Phase 1, as realistically it is the culmination of these solo movies and its canon, that makes 6 MCU movies vs 5 DCU movies.

First off, I will look at the rough numbers and then shad some super insight as to what it means, MCU has managed from Iron Man all the way up to The Avengers to gross worldwide a total of 3,811,244 Billion [USD], where DC Films, one movie short of 6, has accumulated, 3,761,566 Billion [USD]. Now the main thing that a diehard MCU fan will point out here is the following, ticket prices were different in the period 2008 to 2012, then they were 2013 to 2017. That would be correct to assume, so to be even more precise, we would check those prices and based on the year, the price of the ticket and the total amount accumulated we would get the number of seats sold. In that perspective MCU has managed for 6 movies to sell an astonishing 491,466 Million seats to its fans vs DCU’s 434,457 Million seats, there you go, with one movie down DC has sold approximately 60 Million seats sold. But what does that mean in terms of 6vs 6 movies, well it means that in order for DC to be at the same seat number, its next movie Aquaman needs to sell 60 Million seats for the tie. Here is an example of a Superhero movie that sold 60 million seats – Thor [56 Million seats sold], so if Aquaman sells as much as Thor, DC ties up with Marvel phase for Phase in that field.

Now from a more non-monetary perspective, DCU has managed to act like the MCU in its origin, while having all their movies trashed by bloggers, critics, movie press, fans of other franchises and in some cases like Justice League, even its own hard-core fan base. Bad articles have flying around on a daily, if not weekly base, mostly negative about its shape and performance. All your favorite YouTube talk shows discussing super hero movies 365 24/7 aren’t there to praise DC, but to make it seems like a big flop, in some cases, as big DCU fan, I have been made to believe this is fact too. Many MCU fans will point out that while, DC has been financially stable, the quality is not on par with Marvel’s based on what critics say. Well, honestly Rotten Tomatoes is the last place I look for any sort of validation for that, as many of my favorite movies live around the 60-85 % on that site, but have cult status in the cinema junkie world. I see also a lot of these 100 % movies, where I would never ever see again. Anyway, it’s a very debatable theme to argue, where you have to take very seriously the opinion of a 300-500 journalist and others, that have accounts there, and do not always have any formal film degree. Many of these movie critics today are self-made YouTube starts with absolutely 0 credentials and are expressing the “every man’s opinion” rather than some in depth look at the actual movie work.

Another criticism of the MCU fan is that, while Phase 1 was critically loved, but not Super Successful financially, DC has ridden on the merits of that later MCU success to make that sort of cash with bad movies and that the characters included are simply more popular. Well that is both true and a lie. While Batman and Superman seem like the obvious choice for the title “Worldwide most recognized” brands in the CBM genre, the actual king by a lot that is, is Spider-man, who has a IP worth Wonder Woman, Superman and Batman combined, but based on that math, no one expected Spider-man Homecoming to make 2.8 Billion, did they? Also by that logic with Iron Man in the movie [who made 1.3 B alone], then that should have been a 4.1 Billion movie then?? So, what happened? Sorry , I can’t hear you? You mean to say that logic isn’t accurate, well ok then. If it isn’t accurate then Justice League and Batman V Superman then aren’t a guaranteed Billion dollar movies, right? Sure, we can agree on that.

When Batman Forever and Batman and Robin ruined the franchise, Batman Begins came and made very little compared to TDK and TDKR, that is the effect of a bad movie. Same with Superman, who had Superman 3,4 and Returns, before Man of Steel came out, 3 in a row, so making 668 Million is not a flop, but a great start. Superman 78, adjusted to 2017 numbers and considering it came out in a decade with 0 piracy, is worth around 1.2 Billion in the BO now, Batman 89 adjusted is an 850 M movie, even Batman Forever adjusted for 2017 has outsold each MCU phase 1 solo, minus The Avengers.

Most DC fans know that, but try to live in modern times, DC’s strength is solo adventures and stories, while Marvel has always been better so to say at assemble type of books and characters.

Then comes the last MCU die hard nail, which is but DC’s movies budget is bigger compared to the cheap budgets MCU phase 1 had, so even with the same money/sold seats, MCU has made a bigger profit. This however only affects the studio’s profits, doesn’t affect me as a fan, actually to be honest, I would want the studio to spend more money and make them visually better, better props and FX. This isn’t a knock-on quality. With Justice League, money spent did not help and the main enemy was the studio itself, that took advantage of a sad situation on a personal level, and used it to again [3rd time] chop a movie even worse than the 2 times prior. This time they brought a director that has 0 in common with the original one in terms of tone and vision, approved horrible CGI looking fake moustache scenes that were visible from the moon and inserted humor that was never the type of humor DCU fans liked.

That was pushed as some of them, really wanted to get bonuses and duplicate a formula used by their competitor successfully amongst their own fan base. I wasn’t happy with the total annihilation of the movie and the brand following both the critical and financial failure of Justice League, but I think it needed to happen, so WB finally understands that cutting movies by a committee, changing tones mid film, removing pivotal scenes will not go unnoticed by the fan community.

If Aquaman performs like Thor in 2018, depending on the increase in ticket sales it will end with a box office come between 510-521 Million, a failure in the eyes of “bloggers”, but a financial win on a 150 M budget and will put the DCU phase 1 at about 4.3 Billion, if it performs like:

Man of Steel – BO between 739-756 Million, DCU total 4.5 B ~

Batman V Superman – BO between 908-929 Million, DCU total 4.7 B ~

Wonder Woman – BO between 828-847 Million, DCU total 4.6 B ~

Suicide Squad – BO between 775 – 793 Million, DCU total 4.5 B ~

So, based on the above, I can assure you, this franchise with new blood and exciting Directors like Wan, Reeves, Jenkins, O Connor, Sandberg etc., will be in great hands and if Hamada is what everyone says he is, a very smart producer, then call me crazy, but DCU bout to kick some major ass.

If Suicide Squad 2 doesn’t feature a CGI unknown and uninteresting villain, is not put together by a trailer FX company, and has the tone of the animated features, with Margot/Harley’s star power, Will Smith’s name, Jared focused Joker performance and a good score, then I can see it doing 800 M plus, Shazam can be DC while appealing to MCU fans with humor and do something brand new, The Batman might be the return to form for the character with Reeves attached, and we all know Batman alone, with 0 cameos can do these Billion dollar numbers, something not many characters can do, and with a trilogy on Reeves’s hands, I can see a BO number around the 2.8-3 Billion in that alone. Man of Steel 2 needs the right balance between MOS/Snyder tone and what was built and a little nostalgia for these 50-70 year old critics that trashed MOS, then we have a 700 + Million movie. Wonder Woman 2 is already looking like females kick ass power play of the decade, I expect nothing less of 900 M for her.

So please tell me, how DCU is a failure. Will be here!!!

#DCFILMS FLASh BATMAN BIRDSOFPREY SUPERMAN MANOFSTEEL SNYDERCUT BLACKADAM SHAZAM AQUAMAN BATGIRL SUPERGIRL SUICIDESQUAD2 HARLEY

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