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DCEU for the win beyond Justice League
Why you probably are wrong when you say the DCU is not successful.
I have been tormented as a fan of DC films since the Man of Steel days by both DC and Marvel fans, the reason for those attacks is the notion that they are a failure. I have been thinking lately, what is the definition of failure and when I really thought about it, I came to the conclusion, that its mainly facts twisting in one’s mind.
DC films is considered a failure when it is directly compared to the Disney owned Marvel Cinematic Universe, but have in mind that this comes mainly from the facts that its movies are critically panned. If we assume that these critics are the ultimate source for knowledge on all things movies than, yes DC is a failure based on a Rotten Tomatoes score, but to be very precise, that score is the big flashy one with a % behind it. That % shows the number of critics that were included in the tomato-meter, meaning their reviews were imported on the RT site and taken into consideration for the final score. It represents the number of critics that said yes or no to a movie to speak generally. In a more in depth look, there is a second number, which represents the actual score given which is 1 out of 10 metric system, in the reviews itself, some assign a 1 out of 5 other out of 10 scores, and some haven’t even assigned one. So, if you grab all these scores for each MCU and DCEU movie and combine for an average, the difference would be 5.85 for DCU vs 6.9 for MCU. To me, calling a product, that is scored in the high 6 being called AMAZING vs the low 6 being called terrible is laughable and stupid on so many levels, that I will skip debating that what so ever. When you go to fan driven score sites like iMDB, things are looking similar , no big difference there too.
So, I ask myself, if the product is similar in that respective, then for DC to be called bad and MCU called amazing, there must be another metric, that shows that clearly, I turned to Box Office numbers, but since DC has released only 5 movies, vs MCU’s 17 movies, we can’t really compare as DC is 12 movies short. I can’t add non DCU DC movies, because the template is different, and it wouldn’t be really accurate, so I compared phase 1 Marvel movies to DCEU’s first 5. Now for the MCU I am leaving The Avengers as part of Phase 1, as realistically it is the culmination of these solo movies and its canon, that makes 6 MCU movies vs 5 DCU movies.
First off, I will look at the rough numbers and then shad some super insight as to what it means, MCU has managed from Iron Man all the way up to The Avengers to gross worldwide a total of 3,811,244 Billion [USD], where DC Films, one movie short of 6, has accumulated, 3,761,566 Billion [USD]. Now the main thing that a diehard MCU fan will point out here is the following, ticket prices were different in the period 2008 to 2012, then they were 2013 to 2017. That would be correct to assume, so to be even more precise, we would check those prices and based on the year, the price of the ticket and the total amount accumulated we would get the number of seats sold. In that perspective MCU has managed for 6 movies to sell an astonishing 491,466 Million seats to its fans vs DCU’s 434,457 Million seats, there you go, with one movie down DC has sold approximately 60 Million seats sold. But what does that mean in terms of 6vs 6 movies, well it means that in order for DC to be at the same seat number, its next movie Aquaman needs to sell 60 Million seats for the tie. Here is an example of a Superhero movie that sold 60 million seats – Thor [56 Million seats sold], so if Aquaman sells as much as Thor, DC ties up with Marvel phase for Phase in that field.
Now from a more non-monetary perspective, DCU has managed to act like the MCU in its origin, while having all their movies trashed by bloggers, critics, movie press, fans of other franchises and in some cases like Justice League, even its own hard-core fan base. Bad articles have flying around on a daily, if not weekly base, mostly negative about its shape and performance. All your favorite YouTube talk shows discussing super hero movies 365 24/7 aren’t there to praise DC, but to make it seems like a big flop, in some cases, as big DCU fan, I have been made to believe this is fact too. Many MCU fans will point out that while, DC has been financially stable, the quality is not on par with Marvel’s based on what critics say. Well, honestly Rotten Tomatoes is the last place I look for any sort of validation for that, as many of my favorite movies live around the 60-85 % on that site, but have cult status in the cinema junkie world. I see also a lot of these 100 % movies, where I would never ever see again. Anyway, it’s a very debatable theme to argue, where you have to take very seriously the opinion of a 300-500 journalist and others, that have accounts there, and do not always have any formal film degree. Many of these movie critics today are self-made YouTube starts with absolutely 0 credentials and are expressing the “every man’s opinion” rather than some in depth look at the actual movie work.
Another criticism of the MCU fan is that, while Phase 1 was critically loved, but not Super Successful financially, DC has ridden on the merits of that later MCU success to make that sort of cash with bad movies and that the characters included are simply more popular. Well that is both true and a lie. While Batman and Superman seem like the obvious choice for the title “Worldwide most recognized” brands in the CBM genre, the actual king by a lot that is, is Spider-man, who has a IP worth Wonder Woman, Superman and Batman combined, but based on that math, no one expected Spider-man Homecoming to make 2.8 Billion, did they? Also by that logic with Iron Man in the movie [who made 1.3 B alone], then that should have been a 4.1 Billion movie then?? So, what happened? Sorry , I can’t hear you? You mean to say that logic isn’t accurate, well ok then. If it isn’t accurate then Justice League and Batman V Superman then aren’t a guaranteed Billion dollar movies, right? Sure, we can agree on that.
When Batman Forever and Batman and Robin ruined the franchise, Batman Begins came and made very little compared to TDK and TDKR, that is the effect of a bad movie. Same with Superman, who had Superman 3,4 and Returns, before Man of Steel came out, 3 in a row, so making 668 Million is not a flop, but a great start. Superman 78, adjusted to 2017 numbers and considering it came out in a decade with 0 piracy, is worth around 1.2 Billion in the BO now, Batman 89 adjusted is an 850 M movie, even Batman Forever adjusted for 2017 has outsold each MCU phase 1 solo, minus The Avengers.
Most DC fans know that, but try to live in modern times, DC’s strength is solo adventures and stories, while Marvel has always been better so to say at assemble type of books and characters.
Then comes the last MCU die hard nail, which is but DC’s movies budget is bigger compared to the cheap budgets MCU phase 1 had, so even with the same money/sold seats, MCU has made a bigger profit. This however only affects the studio’s profits, doesn’t affect me as a fan, actually to be honest, I would want the studio to spend more money and make them visually better, better props and FX. This isn’t a knock-on quality. With Justice League, money spent did not help and the main enemy was the studio itself, that took advantage of a sad situation on a personal level, and used it to again [3rd time] chop a movie even worse than the 2 times prior. This time they brought a director that has 0 in common with the original one in terms of tone and vision, approved horrible CGI looking fake moustache scenes that were visible from the moon and inserted humor that was never the type of humor DCU fans liked.
That was pushed as some of them, really wanted to get bonuses and duplicate a formula used by their competitor successfully amongst their own fan base. I wasn’t happy with the total annihilation of the movie and the brand following both the critical and financial failure of Justice League, but I think it needed to happen, so WB finally understands that cutting movies by a committee, changing tones mid film, removing pivotal scenes will not go unnoticed by the fan community.
If Aquaman performs like Thor in 2018, depending on the increase in ticket sales it will end with a box office come between 510-521 Million, a failure in the eyes of “bloggers”, but a financial win on a 150 M budget and will put the DCU phase 1 at about 4.3 Billion, if it performs like:
Man of Steel – BO between 739-756 Million, DCU total 4.5 B ~
Batman V Superman – BO between 908-929 Million, DCU total 4.7 B ~
Wonder Woman – BO between 828-847 Million, DCU total 4.6 B ~
Suicide Squad – BO between 775 – 793 Million, DCU total 4.5 B ~
So, based on the above, I can assure you, this franchise with new blood and exciting Directors like Wan, Reeves, Jenkins, O Connor, Sandberg etc., will be in great hands and if Hamada is what everyone says he is, a very smart producer, then call me crazy, but DCU bout to kick some major ass.
If Suicide Squad 2 doesn’t feature a CGI unknown and uninteresting villain, is not put together by a trailer FX company, and has the tone of the animated features, with Margot/Harley’s star power, Will Smith’s name, Jared focused Joker performance and a good score, then I can see it doing 800 M plus, Shazam can be DC while appealing to MCU fans with humor and do something brand new, The Batman might be the return to form for the character with Reeves attached, and we all know Batman alone, with 0 cameos can do these Billion dollar numbers, something not many characters can do, and with a trilogy on Reeves’s hands, I can see a BO number around the 2.8-3 Billion in that alone. Man of Steel 2 needs the right balance between MOS/Snyder tone and what was built and a little nostalgia for these 50-70 year old critics that trashed MOS, then we have a 700 + Million movie. Wonder Woman 2 is already looking like females kick ass power play of the decade, I expect nothing less of 900 M for her.
So please tell me, how DCU is a failure. Will be here!!!
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Avengers Infinity War Review Part 2 - Can i die too ?
“Avengers: Infinity War”
C-
Rated PG-13
At the end of the 149-minute “Avengers: Infinity War,” all I felt was numb. There was no room for sadness for the fates some characters faced, especially since capitalism has made these superheroes its deathless slaves. Plus, too many of these Marvel Cinematic Universe characters were given too short shrift to begin with. You can also say, some of them are there just to look like they have a purpose, but they don’t.
In a nutshell, Thanos (a giant CG Josh Brolin with that pumpkin-pleated chin), who is boring and tedious like much of the film, is still after the Infinity Stones, which he sets in a gauntlet on his left arm. When he has collected all six stones, Thanos will have the power to wipe out 50 percent of life in the universe (just 50 percent?), in addition to making me lose my will to live. This is by far the biggest mass kill on screen, people complained when 2013 “Man of Steel” crushed a few building due to Zod’s attempt to make Earth the new Krypton. The % of deaths was quickly minimalized when Clark snapped his neck and saved around 6 billion people, where Avengers and Guardians, a whole of 67 plus characters failed to remove one bedazzled glove with 6 girly stones from one man’s arm due to one of their team members being a bit stupid to say the least and let half the universe die, so let me repeat. If the universe as we know it has an infinite number of planets and living beings, this one pink moron just killed every 2nd person by snapping his fingers. However every 2nd person means that Captain America, Iron Man, Thor and pretty much the original cast isnt every 2nd man in the universe, they are the all white led male cast of the Avengers, so they are every 1st man. So long Black Panther, you came like Obama and disapered as soon as the Trump of the universe snapped.
The film begins in space, where Thanos and his minions, including Ebony Maw, a noseless henchman resembling Voldemort, have defeated the Asgardian fleet and captured Thor (Chris Hemsworth) and Loki (Tom Hiddleston). The action shifts to New York City, where Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) has been jogging with Pepper Potts (Gwyneth Paltrow), and Thanos’ minions attack Dr. Stephen Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch) in Greenwich Village in order to steal the stone he possesses. In this opening you see Thanos going through Thor like he is milk, Hulk gets bitch slapped so hard, that he never comes back in the movie, this set a certain expectation of a power level, which then gets washed away later when specific characters are able to stand with him toe to toe, no powers or anything special, just kicking him in the face. How fucking cool and conviniet for the plot.
Ditto for Vision (Paul Bettany) and his lover Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen), who are in Scotland when Thanos’ killers show up (we will also go to Titan and a place called Knowhere). Eventually, Peter Quill (Chris Pratt), Gamora (Zoe Saldana) and the other Guardians of the Galaxy, and Black Panther (Chadwick Boseman) and the army of Wakanda, where we last visited in January, will join the fray. In this scene Black Widow and Pigeon [played by Anthonie Mackie] get to kick some alien ass with their super powered punches, which we all know are regular human punches, but somehow these being that have hard time beating Vision, have issues with the humans. Where is the sense ? Nowhere again
Penned by writing partners Christopher Marcus and Stephen McFeely (“Captain America: Civil War”) and directed by Anthony and Joe Russo (“Captain America: Civil War”), “Avengers: Infinity War” is an almost endless cycle of five pages of dialogue, complete with amusing quips (“New haircut?” “Nice beard?”), followed by 10 minutes of superhero, green-screen mayhem. Where the universe just lost half of its population, we have mother fucking heroes calling each other morons, turds, eating snacks, playing games, having turd contests and these are the heroes eventually that lose this fight and have us killed. What a bunch of A holes.
Iron Man and pop-culture buff Spider-Man (Tom Holland) have some amusing interplay. But not even such scene stealers as Letitia Wright as T’Challa’s scientist sister Shuri or Peter Dinklage as the giant dwarf Eitri can make much of a mark in this super-overcrowded field. Dr. Strange’s mischievous cape has more personality than many superheroes.
“Avengers: Infinity War” may aspire to the mythic heights of “The Lord of the Rings” films. But it lacks the grandeur and resonance of Tolkien’s tales. Giant buzz saws just don’t have the stature of giant armored Oliphaunts. And if the Hulk won’t play, even Bruce Banner (Mark Ruffalo) is a wimpy drag. Hulk seems like he can get his ass handed to him even by Batman at this stage.
Yes, it is funny when Thor calls Rocket Raccoon (voiced by Bradley Cooper) “Rabbit” and when Stark calls Dr. Strange “Wizard.” But after two and half hours with a fanboy and fangirl audience cackling mindlessly at the tiniest morsels of amusement accompanied by the pounding “Ragna-rock” score by Alan Silvestri, I was ready to be annihilated myself. Thats when you start to appreciate DC FIlms where music scores are still being elevated, unlike MCU movies where this is a jerk off challenge.
(“Avengers: Infinity War” contains CG mayhem, superhero violence and torture.)
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AVENGERS INFINITY BORE REVIEW
EVERYONE DIES
PART 2 COMING 2019 EVERYONE LIVES
MORAL IS, MARVEL DO NOT KILL , THEY BORE !!!
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Why Black Panther success is over blown out of proportion just a bit by its MCU fan boys
How Black Panther managed to ride the special bus and become the go to poster child of a genre?
We have been reading about the success of Black Panther since it came out, being compared to The Dark Knight level of quality and box office performance for the last month plus. Some people call Michael B. Jordan the next Heath Ledger, Marvel fan boys are saying Panther is a more successful movie than Nolan’s movie. Here are all the reasons this is wrong.
First off let’s start with the most obvious one, Killmonger being compared to The Joker as seen in the Dark Knight in terms of cultural impact. In 2008 when The Dark Knight came out, we only had Batman Begins, which suffered from its name predecessor Batman and Robin quality and barely revived the genre in terms of money, however it brought back adult audience to these movies. The movie ended its run with 374 Million worldwide, which today is about 560 Million dollars, which isn’t very far apart from Justice League performance having in mind that one features only Batman and the other most of DC’s main heroes.
When the sequel hit, it made 3 times more money and made The Joker the go to quote, Halloween costume choice and made the genre relevant, with the movie being on iMDB top 5 list, unlike other genre pieces. Many now believe Rotten Tomatoes to be the go to meter for quality control, but for the voices of millions are always more accurate than the opinion of a select group of people. Anyway, what Heath Ledger has achieved was the total definition of a role to the point of self-damage ending with his death. This role was a beam of light for the academy to roles like these. While I prefer a worse portrayal, that would mean he would not go as deep into the role, and be alive to this day, I cannot accept the comparison between a villain who uses “Sup?” in a movie that plays into all the MCU clichés and delivers the 6th, 7th carbon copy villain, with a tough guy act that would play much better in a Fast and Furious, Straight out of Compton scenario, rather than a comic book movie. This fake cheering of a black lead super hero movie by media was so manufactured to the point of using words like “ First ever Black Super Hero Movie of All time” , Really ???
I can think of a few that actually have trilogies, all the fake support that people gave this movie could have been used 20 years earlier, but fake woke people did not exist then. There was no fake media support for artificial facts, no one was wanting to see Black Super Heroes then? Anyway, we are happy that African Americans embraced the fake fairy tale country of Wakanda where all is good, and dismissed movies about the real struggle of people in Africa, like Beast of no nation, that grossed not more than 100 K. Where was the support then? Nowhere, that shows me how fake this diversity campaign is, many black lead movies have struggled before Panther, why is this the first one to make a Billion dollars, well it’s because critics were too politically correct to call the generic movie what it is , so they aren’t called racist or attacked on twitter. The Rotten Tomatoes score was a bit too much for me, coming out of that movie, I can’t recall one memorable scene, and now 5 weeks later I barely recall anything from it. Sure I can tell you what it’s about in general, but the fake emotional moments that are there to please critics and the generic humor, which serves the same purpose, tricking people into thinking it’s good, doesn’t last more than 4 minutes going out of the cinema. The Joker is still the smart man’s go to pop icon, Killmonger is not even in the same category, sure he might have been better than most MCU villains, but having in mind how terrible they are, doesn’t speak much about him.
Now back to our next point, Black Panther crushed The Dark Knight in the Box Office, but did it though? If you adjust The Dark Knight for 2018, its domestic Box Office is about 681 Million Domestic, in a time when Comic Book movies were starting to grow, not 2018 when every 2nd movie is a CBM. The Dark Knight has no subliminal campaign that was promoting the movie as “the first ever” such and such movie, no 50 Black Celebrities and Rappers buying bulks of tickets for kids from tough hoods, no gimmicks. Simple old school releasing a movie, and it made around 1.3 Billion adjusted for 2018, so stop the cheerleading campaign with using only data that fits your narrative.
Marvel fans love to interpret data only one way, to make it like #MCU is the ultimate franchise. You can see that in the way they announce Rotten Tomatoes scores, only the aggregate scores is mentioned, not the average rating, which is the more accurate number. When they talk about a franchise they say, MCU most profitable over other franchises, really, but do you account for number of movies, adjusted ticket price inflation? Nope Star Wars released in 1977 Domestic only made $1,635,137,900 , so pretty much an average 2 Billion minus for the main movies, yes, they haven’t yet made 20 of them, but their track record is better.
So stop hugging the nuts of Disney, that will make another 20 PG 13 movies and nothing will ever be more good or original than Iron Man and Winter Soldier, nothing EVER!!
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RUMOR: The First Test Screenings For AQUAMAN May Not Have Gone Particularly Well
Earlier this week, bloggers were surprised when Warner Bros. announced a Shazam Q&A and unveiled the movie's official logo despite the fact Aquaman is supposed to be released long before it, this December. Unfortunately, it's now being reported that the upcoming DC Comics adaptation hasn't been faring particularly well during test screenings , which is common for DC films only, since no one leaks anything about MCU films. (luckily, it doesn't sound like the movie is beyond repair). The trend started with BVS, and after it every single DC movie has been attacked 12-8 months online from the same publications and people like Mark Blonde Hughes. We all know thata deep down these bloggers are nothing more than peasants.
There aren't any specifics here but it is noted that some people have actually had good things to say about Aquaman so it's far from doomed and there's plenty of time to go until it's released, giving Warner Bros. ample opportunities to fix any issues which may have arisen from those screenings. Or in other words, its much easier to sale this sort of news than it is to say “ Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2” screened last week and it turns out, it’s a big piece of garbage cinema for semi retarded kids and men children with no hair and bald as hell. Notice how no one ever saw a screening of Iron Man 2, Thor The Dark World, Hulk movies were not screened to anyone, Spider-boy 6 wasn’t screened for anyone, or Avengers 2, so is the case for that god awful Dr. Strange movie, or that steaming garbage Thor Ragnarok, those were all fine.
It's also mentioned in the video below that Aquaman was developed at a time when different people were in charge of the DC Films division, hence why the marketing and promotional campaign is playing out in a certain way. The question is, will Aquaman be more like Wonder Woman than Justice League and is James Wan going to be enough to keep the project on the right path? It seems time will tell...but one thing I can tell you is that in 2018 a movie like The Outsider with actual plot and great dialogue and meaning sits currently @ 22 % on Rotten Tomatoes and crap like Thor 3 is in the 90 % range , so you better know your favorite site is mostly aimed at retards and morons.
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DC FIlms might be doing better than most of the bloggers lead you to believe
Why #DCEU might kick some #MCU ass in the coming years.
In order to make this point, I will use facts and some speculation, but overall compare some behavior and trends. As for the speculation part, i will clearly outline the FACT that is such and not present it as anything else.
First off, let’s start using more facts and less opinion. Opinion is when you say #MCU is better, because a site has given them certified scores. Also, please start making a difference between an aggregate score of a number of critics that said yes or no, and the actual score of the movie [situated below that flashy %].
Currently the average score for #MCU is at 6.9 compared to the “horrible failure” #DCEU at 5.85. Looking at this, it says only thing, none of these fanboys of the Disney cult, take the time to delve deep in the stats and meaning of them, they just use the convenient flashy aggregate number that fits their twisted narrative.
You can easily check this information on https://www.rottentomatoes.com/ , its not like a Collider reaction video, where most of the information is rumors and personal opinions. Or like a SchmoesKnow podcast back in the day featuring a Sasha Perl Raver exclusive that claimed, “Wonder Woman” is a huge mess from the same source, she says, told her “Batman V Superman: DOJ” is bad. Well after the movie came out and made 821 Million worldwide, something that has been achieved by 0 MCU origin stories [since they all rely on featured characters to make such Box Office results] the video was taken down. The reason being that I and many other fans, asked them to give us more info on their source and we got blocked by her and Kristian Harloff on Twitter with some swearing on his part for the ultimate experience.
So, we established the critical scores difference of 1 in favor of #MCU, now let’s see how things are looking monetary.
Unfortunately #MCU is at their 18th movie now, and #DCEU at their 5th one, so we can compare them movie for movie, but we can clearly see that #DC’s average is currently 3 Million per movie more than the #MCU’s average gross per movie, and by the looks of it, with AQUAMAN coming this December, the DCU phase 1 movies [6 movies vs 6 movies] will finish as 3.766 Billion + Aquaman’s Box-office [which could be anywhere between 600-800 Million] compared to MCU phase 1 - 3.811 Billion, which consisted from The Avengers [1.5 Billion BO] and only positive RT scores.
So that 50 Million difference is about to be swept under a wave in December with or without a good RT score. The average price of a ticket in 2018 is about to surpass 9.00 USD, and if Aquaman sells the same number of tickets like Thor did, it will gross around between 509-521 Million, now in case Aquaman decides to sell more than Thor and act like Man Of Steel in terms of sold seats it will end around 739-756 Million range, Wonder Woman seats put him in the 828-847 Million range and BVS DOJ type seats would mean a gross around 908-929 Million.
In any case, Aquaman will put the phase 1 at a minimum of 450 Million advance on #MCU phase 1, with an option to out-gross #MCU phase 1 with something close to 850 Million, not too bad for a “failed” franchise, I must say.
Now we all know #MCU fans have a ready answer for everything, one of their favorite points is that #MCU phase 1 existed between 2008 and 2012 and that Marvel had only B list characters. Well TDK came out in 2008 and made 1 Billion, so I guess the year wasn’t the issue and Superman in 78, first ever movie that appeared on the big screen with a superhero made adjusted to 2017 1.2 Billion. He did have a TV show previously. Something many Marvel characters tried and failed at, not our fault though. The character isn’t b or c list for the big screen until it hits it, as you can see #justiceleague had Batman and did not make 1.2 Billion guaranteed, nor did Batman Forever, Batman and Robin etc,. There is no guarantee for any brand, its the movie itself that makes money based on word of mouth.
So, to summarize:
Average critics score on RT
DCEU 5.85 MCU 6.9
Average gross per movie
DCEU 753 Million MCU 750 Million
Phase 1 vs Phase 1
DCEU 3.766 Billion MCU 3.811 Billion [DC has not released AQUAMAN to make it 6 vs 6], and as for adjusted ticket price and inflation, DC first 5 movies sold 434,457 Million seats and Marvel sold 491,466 seats, so AQUAMAN needs to sell 60 Million tickets for a tie, that's as many as the first Thor sold. Should be achievable and beyond.
And now let’s see the future: And here is the speculation is pointed at in the beginning.
DC has coming phase 2 the following: Shazam, Suicide Squad 2, Wonder Woman 2, The Batman, Nightwing and or Flash, how do you think this Phase 2 will behave?
A Matt Reeves Batman movie, that can get all of them #TDK fans back in the seats ranging between 900 Million -1.1 Billion if not comedic and Joss-like. Wonder Woman 2, should this time perform better overseas, that’s a possible 900 Million sequel for a movies that made 821 Million with 50 % of that coming from international markets, which is usually around 60 + % for such movies. Suicide Squad 2 if done the right way sounds like it could beat the first one and go for that 800 Million plus range, with the studio having learned what is a straight no for this franchise from the first one.
Nightwing, with all I am hearing and a good action martial arts movie set in Gotham, this can attract that Batman crowd and go somewhere between 600-700 Million possibly or less. Shazam could behave like Nightwing in terms of Box Office or if it's more comedic and family friendly even better due to the light and easy digestible tone it has, plus the huge boost it will get by its Producer The Rock.
In case the movie titles match my prediction with the actual phase 2 - DC films and the Box Office predictions match a possible scenario like the one I mentioned, then we can assume , something at worst at 3.6 Billion, best case 4.2 Billion, which will take them over 8.3 + Billion by a lot in only 2 phases. How is that a bad? Its beside me.
MCU phase 2 is around the 4.6 Billion mark, with its last two movies to make over 1.1 Billion, Avengers 2 [AOU] and Iron man 3. MCU phase 1 and 2 are worth around the 8.4 Billion give or take, and #DC has the chance to surpass that with critically acclaimed and original movies. As i mentioned, their phase 1 will likely close around the 4.1-4.4 Billion mark, add another 4.2 from phase 2 and you get a round 8.6 Billion. Again speculation on my part for DC, but they average per movies is currently 753 Million, and they aren't going to go lower for sure. While Marvel CU is doing fine mostly in phase 3, they first 2 phases were profitable due to Avengers 1 & 2 and Iron Man 3. We have two more Avengers movies that are coming and if they reach the success of the 1st one, i will be surprised. Nevertheless they will be aiming at a minimum Civil War Box Office, and if the plot is too generic and there isn’t enough closure, they will surely land on that 1 Billion circle, which can’t be that good for a movie with the cost of 490 Million plus.
Now remember, this is all speculation, because even with Zack Snyder gone for critics to use as an excuse for the same old same old rotten scores, they still went after David Ayer twice [Suicide Squad, Bright], Joss Whedon [who did most of Justice League as we saw and was praised for Avengers]. So, they might just come for all DC films in the future based on brand bias. We can't know, but what we do know, is that the new directors brought to work on these films have been nothing but successful elsewhere and the only issue that might exist is the suits behind WB Pictures and their will to cut the movies to make them unoriginal and bland, like they did with Justice League.
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Joaquin Phoenix Eyed For Martin Scorsese’s Joker Origin Movie
According to Variety, Joaquin Phoenix is in talks to play the Joker in the Martin Scorsese-produced origin movie currently in development at Warner Bros. and DC Entertainment. The studio has apparently already met with Phoenix for the role and he’s agreed to it. For all the fans of Disney Martin Scorsese is what a real director is, unlike your guys that will forever be linked to fluff big screen poopy fests and TV series.
The studio is looking to tap into Scorsese classics such as Taxi Driver and Raging Bull, with the film set in a gritty and grounded 1980s Gotham City. Todd Phillips is attached to direct the standalone piece, which is said to be separate from the DC Extended Universe in an effort to create new and unique storylines to expand the canon. Something we aren’t likely to see over at Mickey Mouse house, since their fans are mostly 11 and can’t handle anything below PG 13 and written by the team behind Frozen or Disney XD animated movies.
Phillips is also writing the script with Scott Silver, the man behind the 2002 drama film 8 Mile starring Eminem. The project is rumored to feature a young version of the Joker who was tormented over the permanent smile put on his face.
What do you think? Would you like to see Phoenix as the Joker? Sound-off your bitter Marvel thoughts on the news in the comment section below! If not tweet your baby sister, who still wears diapers
· Martin Scorsese is something that people that lived in the golden age of cinema know as a proper film maker.
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DC FIlms in talks with Michael Bay for a LOBO solo movie
Michael Bay is coming cold off of his departure of the Transformers franchise. His best films are when action, comedy and real people are at the forefront, so I think Bay has a chance to crush it with the Main Man. I mean, just look at Pain and Gain, imagine what he could do with Lobo. Someone should definitely call up Mark Wahlberg for the titular role. Now on a real note we know how critics love him and we wonder why would #DCFilms risk it with a director like that? Anyone knows, if yes, please mail me the answer @ [email protected]
Bay has already met with DC on the project and will move forward with negotiations to helm the film based on notes given to executives to that are to be factored into a rewrite. Wonder Woman screenwriter Jason Fuchs has written the latest draft of the script, which Warner Bros. has been developing for many years. According to The Hollywood Reporter, the rewrite is an effort to lower the production cost of the film which is currently north of $200 million. Which is a super lie, since a script draft cannot determine the price of a movie before a cast, locations, VFX team, Director etc., are chosen, unless the script costs 150 Million itself.
Since 2009, one of the many DC Comics properties that Warner Bros. has tried to get going is for the famed alien bounty hunter, Lobo. Dwayne ‘The Rock’ Johnson, who has been cast as the anti-hero Black Adam in the upcoming Black Adam standalone film, was once in talks to bring Lobo to life. That is until he departed the project in February of 2013.
The 2009 project had Guy Ritchie attached as the film’s director with Don Payne as the screenwriter and production��on the film was supposed to start in early 2010. However, Ritchie departed the project to direct Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows instead. In 2012, Brad Peyton got hired to direct the film instead and also did re-writes on Payne’s version of the script that had this following synopsis:
“Lobo is a seven-foot tall, blue-skinned, indestructible and heavily muscled anti-hero who drives a pimped out motorcycle, and lands on Earth in search of four fugitives who are bent on wreaking havoc. Lobo teams with a small town teenage girl to stop the creatures.”
Hey but guess what, if indeed gets made with any director, its still another diverse movie in the DC collection marching its own tone, instead of a 18 in a row soft comedies like we got over at Disney. So if you are a Marveltard, go re-watch Ant-man and prepare to get an even dumber movie for its sequel in 2018.
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DCU line up leaks by Warner insiders, shake up finalized.
Inside sources close to Sasha Perl Raver, John Campea, Jon Schnepp and other industry giants reveal the future DC slate. As we know these people have solid inside connections to DC Films and Warner Brothers, close family members and are high up the chain in the movie world as they are industry leaders in their own field. Sasha Perl Raver was the first to reveal Wonder Woman movie is a mess, from her source on the “Schmoes Know Podcast”, the video that has now been taken down with no exact reason, explained how the movie is a pile of garbage and that it will fail critically and financially. John Campea is the guy that said Ben Affleck is out as Batman post “Batman V Superman Dawn of Justice”, which as we know did not turn that well for John. We will give them passes, because they are so well connected inside the Warners offices though.
Here is what they have heard about the DC slate post “Justice League”, Warners is happy with the movie and the re-shoots made by Joss Whedon, the brilliant humor he added and the great representation of the Batman, which they nailed, bringing the franchise back to its glory days with Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, fan favorites of all time.
So here are the snippets they got from their super cool inside sources:
Aquaman - release date December 2018 – Wan has made a serious adventure movie, with not much humor in it, that reminds them [Warner’s] of a Indiana Jones on the run movie, but with no jokes. They are looking into adding some cardboard cutout re-shoots for it and adding the so well received humor that will be written and re-shoot by Payton Reed a veteran of humor and the blockbuster success franchise Ant-man and its sequel.
Shazam - April 2019 – So far the movie is going great, they have had luck that the character is fun on his own and as of now, no re-shoots are planned as the script is hella funny. They have hired the guys from the “deep fakes” to add more muscle to Zack Levi, as he has only gathered 20 pounds of muscle and they wish for him to look more like John Cena.
Wonder Woman 2 - May 2019 – Patty and Gal are back, the movie will be set in present day and not the 80s as they wish to separate themselves from Captain Marvel by Disney and deliver a more present blockbuster. To add a more contemporary humor and make sure it's funnier than the original, Amy Schumer is written in by Jon Favreau as an original villain never before seen in the comics. He will co-direct these scenes with Patty, who has said she “does not understand this type of humor” and refuses to do so. If she does not oblige, expect her to remain as producer and Jon to shoot the entire movie.
Suicide Squad 2 - release date January 2019 – The villains will be more grounded, the screen writer has been instructed to make it more Marvel - like and he has just sent a first draft with a villain that is just like Harley Quinn, but wearing opposite colors scheme of her but with a mean agenda, also expect a white Anti Deadshot villain who shoots with his legs instead arms and a Crocodile Hunter villain to imprison Croc. Gavin is out as director as he wanted the Joker and will be replaced by the brilliant Louis Leterrier, who delivered a smash fresh rated success with The Incredible Hulk , a movie that went to gross 500 Million less than the first Suicide Squad movie. Hopes are Suicide Squad 2 will have a fresh rating and gross less money, since the 1st did a lot more than expected.
Cyborg - solo movie is now scrapped since Black Panther has been scored with a 99 % RT score and they believe; no movies can top this success.
Green Lantern Corps – the script has been thrown out as it was too serious, the movie is set for a 2023 released date as director James Gunn is busy writing the MCU cosmic universe until then. Possible candidates for the roles are Chris Pratt, John Cena, Chadwick Boseman and Paul Rudd. Script is co-written by Gunn and the team behind Moana.
Batgirl – Written, Directed, Produced and acted by Joss Whedon, yes! Joss will don the cape in a CGI altered special FX used for the first time ever, that will alter his gender to female. The company responsible for the FX is the same company that brought you Snapchat filters. Batgirl will face off an alien army invading Gotham alone and see the main villain trying to spread a disease among the citizens of Gotham, a fake CGI moustache. Will she be able to stop this horror? We will find out December 25th 2019.
The Batman – Matt Reeves is walking out and is replaced by Joel Schumacher, who will reunite with George Clooney and Chris O’Donnell in a what is described to be “ The Dark Knight Returns vs Godzilla” , Danny Elfman is stepping as composer and using his 89s theme without actually doing any new work. The villain is Godzilla and will start an expanded universe between King Kong and Batman. The budget is reportedly 500 Million. Release date October 2019.
Black Adam – the movie is going forward after the Rock is now making money of any dumbass movie he makes with either monkeys or a Die Hard soft reboot with a missing leg. Budget is unlimited and The Rock is taking home a 100 Million up front check, since the movie is expected to make 1.9 Billion. Villain will be Shazam.
The Flash – the movie will be written and directed by John Francis Daley, Jonathan Goldstein until they are replaced by Eddie Murphy , who will write and direct by a improvised stand up bit he made when he was 12. Villain is Dostoevsky, who returns as the stand out joke from Justice League. Ezra Miller is not returning and all roles are played by Eddie himself. The movie will hit cinemas on 12th of April 2036.
Gotham City Sirens – scrapped, Ayer will never touch a Warner’s office ever again.
Justice League Dark – scrapped, too dark.
Nightwing – the lead is now being casted from 3000 actors that auditioned, top contenders are Justin Bieber, Justin Timberlake, Will Ferrell, with Chris O’Donnell, Eddie Murphy and Kevin Spacey being the main contenders. Villain is also being written with names such as Catman, Mancat and Birdman, role is played by Michael Keaton if he can afford not to get that check.
Man of Steel 2 – with a new director by the name of James Duffy [Movie 43], and Henry Cavill returning to the role of Superman, new details emerge as to the direction of the movie. Cavill will wear a green mask on his face and will be replaced by Chris Reeves’s face using “deep fakes” AI tech. They will target 50 + year old audience and critics with nostalgia and the Superman 78 score and what remains of the cast. Villain is Starro, played by the magnificent James Spader. Amy Adams is replaced by Brie Larson as L.Lane, Lex Luthor will be played by RDJR, who is now retired as iron Man and is available only for franchise movies.
We are hearing that there is a chance Kevin Tsujihara will take over Katana’s role in Suicide Squad 2, but if it doesn’t pan out, we will delete the article and make no recollection of this post.
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Black Panther review By Mark-y “Mark” Hughes with the blonde hair at Forbes
After a record-setting $2.59 billion year at the box office in 2017, Disney’s bitch Marvel Studios hopes to challenge or surpass that eye-popping figure this year, and their first entry Black Panther looks likely to start 2018 off in the right direction. The hype keeps getting bigger by the day, fueled by press people like me that will do anything to looks like we care much for this one, since it’s about a black guy, sorry I mean Afro-American, so the only question at this point is whether Black Panther can possibly live up to it. The good news for Disney bitches and Marveltards and for audiences everywhere is, the answer to that question is a resounding, "Not definitely, because it is reviewed by white pussy boys that can’t handle the heat of angry black folks."
Now, let's talk about why Black Panther will be a massive hit. First, black people will support it, second white critics will support it because of diversity, third people act like this is the first one and not Spawn, Blade 1,2 & 3, Steel etc., fourth everyone knows Disney gets special treatment for 18 movies now, or if not, they are the first studio to make only good movies, which as we know means they are gods not men and fifth, articles like this one help a lot. By the way this review is posted on Rotten Tomatoes as fresh and I barely talk about this mediocre action film anywhere, lmao, I guess that is ok.
Ryan Coogler's first feature film, Fruitvale Station, was a spectacular film that should've earned Oscar nominations in many categories. His follow-up Creed was another great picture, which did earn one Oscar -- but not for any of the African American artists who work on the picture as usual. Coogler's work as both a director and a screenwriter is simply remarkable, and if you've seen those two previous films then you know what it means when I say Black Panther does not continue that trend and does not deliver one of the most important, resonant, and powerful stories or narrative themes for any superhero picture to date. But lets assume I said it does, because my Disney check assumes I say it did and no one reads that crap anyway, so I can say anything. Poop, Poop, Poop – that’s an inside Marvel joke for you MCUtards out here.
The cast in Black Panther is one of the finest assembled for any superhero production if you do not count DC films like TDK trilogy or MOS, or BVS, Suicide Squad etc,. Stars to be Chadwick Boseman, Lupita Nyong'o, Michael B. Jordan, Danai Gurira, Daniel Kaluuya, Letitia Wright and veterans Forrest Whitaker, Angela Bassett, Andy Serkis, Martin Freeman, and others bring such dramatic weight to the proceedings, elevating an already mediocre script by Coogler and Joe Robert Cole into something far more than just a MCU movie, a good MCU movie if you discount the basic story and the terrible FX/CGI.
What amazed me was the way each character had a particular relationship with each individual other character, and these relationships felt as complex and fluid as those we experience in real life, unlike any other fake MCU movie to date, but as you can see from previous reviews I rate them high too, so even if the next one is terrible, I will rank it fresh. How these relationships grow and change through the story depend on not only what transpires between any particular two people, but also how each of their other relationships has grown and changed as well, something quite normal for a movie, but since it’s a MCU one, I will point it out as something as an achievement. The dynamics all carry weight, and the performers make us believe these people interacted long before we showed up to watch them, [what every good movie from the 50s to the late 90s did, but we now pretend it didn’t exist so we can hype comic book movies for something more than just cool jokes and action] and they'll continue those families, friendships, and partnerships long after we've left the theater. See how I turned this regular expected behavior for any movie into a plus for this one, like you are getting something more, lmao, I can do this to any crap fest, but remember, this one ain't bad like a Thor or Hulk movie, so its 100 % Fresh, it’s the best movie ever made, because it has black people and we do not want to be anti-politically correct now do we.
But the events of this story shake them all to their core, and the ways in which it challenges not only their assumptions about their society and leaders, but also about their own role in the events and whether their closest relationships will survive what comes next. Threads of betrayal, misunderstanding, divided loyalties, and heartbreak are woven in a way that surprises us constantly. Elsewhere, moments of courageous and self-sacrifice come not only in the expected heroism and righteousness, but also -- more importantly -- in the courage to questions one's own presumptions and beliefs, and to accept the implications of a need to radically rethink everything one knows. Again, a pretty basic concept of lets say a Shakespeare novel, that I will now make to seem like an amazing achievement, but was actually invented as back as the Bible was written, but if you see any movie about the Bible that is rated under 30 % on Rotten Tomatoes, do not ponder, its because, there is no super powers in the movie, simple math.
Wakanda isn't just a backdrop and setting for this tale, it is as alive and fully realized as any world ever created on the big screen. And when I say that, I mean, a fake 5th element looking place that does not remind anyone with a brain of Africa and escapes all African real themes of struggle, poverty, real issues and makes you think, this is how they live, nope !! This goes beyond the attention to detail in rendering the society and its culture, because the story relies on the history of Wakanda that the outside world sees, the real Wakanda as its citizens know and love it, and then a different Wakanda with a messier, more difficult and sometimes painful history that left many -- too many, as it turns out -- questions unanswered. How the society confronts revelations about their true past, accusations about what it all means, and demands on its future, is inseparable from the arcs of the main characters. Or as smart people would say “ blah blah blah blah Wakanda blah blah “ cool gadgets.
Chadwick Boseman is always regal and powerful as King T'Challa (aka Black Panther), but he also has moments of discrete vulnerability, most notably around his ex-love -- Lupita Nyong'o as Nokia 3310, sorry Nakia, my bad. Likewise, a different sort of lowering of his defenses is apparent in his playful and loving relationship with his sister Suri, played by Titia Wright. Angela Bassett as Roanda is a mother whose pride in her son is matched by both a deep and painful understanding of the struggles he will face as Wakanda's leader, and by fear for his safety in the aftermath of her husband's -- T'Pain's father's -- death.
Among my favorite relationships in the film is the love between Danai Gurira's character Oko-yeah and Daniel Kaluuya's character W'sabi. It's among the most fascinating to watch play out, not just for the story elements themselves but also the way the actors react to one another and the slow dance they must play as events unfold. I'm hoping Glupira appears in any eventual all-female superhero team-up alongside Tessa Thompson's Valkyrie (from Thor: Laugh-a-lot).
Michael B. Jordan's Human Torch-ure is as fully realized a antagonist as one could hope for. I say "antagonist" on purpose, because it's hard to call him a "villain." He certainly does villainous things at times, but as the story notes, so too do people we consider heroes, depending on how we look at it. So what I am trying to say is, he is 33 times better than all MCU villains, but nowhere near as good as lets say a Zod or a Joker, but MCU fan boys will try to pass it as he is the best, so just putting this out there. Not as good MCutards, not as.
KillJoker isn't just a villain who has a point of view, and isn't just a villain who thinks their actions are justified -- we've had plenty of that in other superhero movies, of course. Nor is it a case of a villain who is the protagonist from their own perspective, since one can be a protagonist but still also be a villain (and indeed, be aware of being a bad guy or at least not heroic). Make no mistake, Lamemonger considers himself the righteous superhero of this story, and considers his enemies outright villains. Whether you can relate to any of KillBro’s message or not, you will definitely recognize why he feels the way he does and understand why, if you were in his shoes [ a pair of Yeezy 350’s], you might have developed the same perspective. Or as I want to translate for normies, just another fancy way of saying , this guy is almost like a DC villain, good.
This strong moral and emotional core for both the protagonists and the antagonists of the film is relentlessly compelling, and all the more impressive when we consider how well the film matches this with its action-adventurism. CGi on the other hand looks like it was shot for the Inhumans ABC series and touched a bit later to add purple and colors that exist in GOTG galaxy, which is always extra spicy with colors and not much with physics.
The action and visual spectacle of Black Panther is meeeh. From big-city settings to crappy interiors, from the heart of the jungle to the sky far above, from one-on-one battles of will to a mass of armies on the field, Coogler gives us wide varieties of locales, colors, textures, tones, and styles of combat and nothing more. Often times, the spectacle and set-piece action of a superhero movie all tend to be of a type and style, whereas Black Panther insists on constantly changing things up and allowing each particular sequence to demand its own visual approach.
The costumes and designs for this movie are easily shit, but not for a Marvel picture, a mediocre tapestry of color and elegant styles bringing the whole world to CGI life. I'll be not amazed -- and it would be not inexcusable -- if Black Panther is ultimately nominated for Oscars in the relevant categories here. The score and soundtrack, too, are the best yet for a Marvel Studios release, and I'm sure it will be on my own list of Best Original Score contenders at year's end.
Now here's a word many of you have been waiting to see pop up -- fun. Because undeniably, Black Panther is insanely fun and entertaining. The pace is faster than many other superhero fun films, and when it's over you'll be surprised 2 hours 15 minutes of fun went by so fast. It's amazing fun that a film packed with so much intelligent storytelling, nuanced character development, serious dramatic fun themes, and multiple fun-tragic developments can still feel like a pure pedal-to-the-metal thrill-ride of fun at the same time making it fun
A note about the cliched "DC vs Marvel" nonsense so often accompanying the release of a movie from one or the other company. Occasionally, a film will transcend the silly fan rivalries and earn mostly admiration and praise from fans of both camps, as we saw with films like The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Logan, and Wonder Woman for example. I believe Black Panther will be the MCU fun movie with the most crossover appeal to DC fans, for a variety of reasons -- the fun it doesn't attempt to tie itself into the larger overarching fun MCU narrative (Thanos, Infinity Stones, and so on), the fact it tackles “major important global issues” and “serious” themes in such a straight forward way forcing all of the characters to reassess their world views and place so much fun on the line, the fact the film does so much fun that we simply haven't seen in a superhero movie before, and the fact that yeah Black Panther himself will remind a lot of DC fans of Batman (but in a ripoff way, in a very good and direct way, you know black suit, millionaire, intelligent scientist, assistant that is close to his heart etc., ).
Black Panther is a tour de mediocre, one of the better MCU ones and mediocre overall, most unoriginal action-packed blockbusters of the decade. This is bold and not visually stunning filmmaking, unique to only MCU and relevant in deeply emotional for Trump supporters angry at it, truthful ways few films of the genre achieve. Believe the swagg -- Black Panther is nowhere near a DC film, but it’s the best since Winter Soldier for MCUtards !
And now some boring math, of how the movie will perform good...
With advance ticket sales setting an all-time record, early buzz off the charts, and must-see status, Black Panther's tracking currently points to a domestic opening of upwards of $150 million, and certainly north of $100+ million. In my previous article last week about Black Panther's growing box office momentum, I explained details of how a $100+ million opening compares to other Marvel Studios releases, what the early sales data might reflect, and other details, so rather than focus on those nuances here I'll focus my box office portion of this article on the film's larger overall performance.
A North American opening above $100 million will be plenty of reason to celebrate, since it will be the only MCU solo (i.e. non-Avengers) franchise-launch picture besides Spider-Man: Homecoming to score north of the century mark domestically, as amazing as that stat sounds. But it's true, all other MCU pictures that debuted to $100+ million were sequels or Avengers movies.
Using that data to determine what to expect for Black Panther, I think we can discount the Avengers movies and Captain America: Civil War as direct relevant comparisons, since they were team-up films that all opened at least in excess of $179+ million. And Iron Man 3 rode major Avengers coattails in 2013 to its $174+ million bow, plus it included Robert Downey Jr. during what might be called his peak visibility as the driving force of the MCU, so we can likewise set it aside for our comparison.
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Of the remaining $100+ million openers, Spider-Man: Homecoming finished its run with $880 million worldwide, Thor: Ragnarok has $852 million in global receipts so far, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 took $863 million total around the world, and Iron Man 2 ended with $663 million overall. Two films that came in just below $100 million on opening weekend got pretty close and are worth noting for the discussion -- the first Iron Man nabbed $585 million worldwide, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier's global cum was $714 million.
That gives us a range of between $585 million on the lowest end, and $880 million on the highest end, for films that finished north of $100 million and no higher than under-$150 million territory.
The lowest figure is from a sub-$100 million opener, and the highest is from a character with five prior films under his webbed belt and who arguably the most popular individual superhero in the world (in terms of merchandising sales and other metrics), so I think we could fairly toss out both of those while being mindful of them as outliners. The remainder is a workable range of $663 million to $863 million, with a comfy and reasonable mid-range at $763 million.
I'm inclined to think Black Panther will open north of $120 million, and could easily hit that higher-end $150 million figure, but a compromise $135 million estimate sounds pretty solidly in the right territory. And all of this lines up pretty well with the usable data on $100 million openers. Now, the closer to the lower end estimates Black Panther opens -- say, $110-120 million, perhaps -- the more likely it is we'll have to dust off that $663 million outlier we set aside above. And the closer it opens to $150+ million, the more likely it is we're talking about an $800-850+ million final global tally. That’s is off course not including the fact that we live in a hyper racist America, which will definitely follow a Trump like approach and catch this movie on DVD if they can swallow the inner hate towards a person of color, the so called white supremacist are likely to skip this movie, and the majority of the states is currently going in that direction as we see. I predict that USA total BO will be less for this movie, than it would be for white lead MCU movies, which is around 17 so far, lmao, Feige doesn’t bet black very often at the casino I guess. So do not expect this flick to hit more than a lame Iron Man sequel.
Source: Marvel Studios
The big question is, how will Black Panther play internationally? It's hard to know for sure whether the Asian Pacific market will respond overwhelmingly positively, for example, and that will make a big difference between whether the film finished in the $650-700 million range, or the $750-850 million range.
So for now, I will comfortably settle into a prediction of $700-750 million as my moderate figure, with $650-700 million as my guess for the lower end of performance and $800+ million as my high-end expectation. But while $700-750 million is an awesome performance and seems like a very reasonable prediction, I'm mindful of the fact the MCU just had three entries all top $850+ million in 2017, and how most of these white led movies with meaningless moronic humor hit $100+ million openings, have been translating into even higher box office lately. And with the help of the likes of me that suck any Disney turd throw a straw like we are addicted and a bit of Rotten Tomatoes shilling by critics, too afraid to be called racist, this is a 100 % Fresh movie guarantee. I dare any white critic rate this not fresh, poor soul.
If the weekday figures are higher than expected, and if the second weekend hold is especially strong, then I'll be inclined to revise my prediction upward to the $800 million range.
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First official Ant-Man and the Wasp movie review
If any movie was going to stop the mighty Marvel machine in its unrelentingly successful tracks, it was destined to be Ant-Man and the Wasp.
But if Marvel has shown us anything, it’s that the studio which previously brought us Thor Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy vol.2 can take what seems to be a stupid concept and turn it into satisfying and sometimes moronic entertainment. Ant-Man and the Wasp falls precisely into that category; after the overstuffed and frankly unwieldy hugeness of Thor Ragnarok earlier last year, Ant-Man and the Wasp appropriately scales things down, telling a direct and mostly uncluttered origin story that is toy driven, seasoned with some templated humor and is delivered by a mediocre cast.
For the uninitiated, what we’re getting here is not the origin story of WASP as first created by Stan Lee, Larry Lieber and Jack Kirby for Marvel Comics, but a new rom com version of it that fits with lame millennials, fat geeks and definitely, does not include history of domestic violence, manic depression for the thief named Scott Lang (Paul Rudd) or Mike from Friends.
The movie re-imagines Wasp (played by E. Lilly) as a longtime girlfriend material for what eventually became a cheesy rom com situation between two “superheroes” a thief turned “hero” whose taste for adventure was shoved in our faces in the first movie, with some half assed backstory. Then we get his motivation connected to his child and wanting the best for her, only to be totally dismissed in Civil War and putting him in jail. She has gotten him out and they are now on the run with a lab the size of a briefcase, that will mostly be found cool if you are 11 years old. Hope Van Dyne (Evangeline Lilly), with whom Pym has, at best, a chilly relationship is now The Wasp, with a better suit and better skills for the job of hero, she gets him out and becomes the better part of this boring commercial for Avengers 4. But when Ghost appears out of nowhere, with no clear motivations or dialogue, we are reminded that this is Disney/Marvel and villains always suck and have 0 motivations.
Lang is an electronics expert doesn’t ever justify in no way, why he gets to wear this suit, we do not understand if down the line PYM dies, how he will carry the torch as Ant-Man, when he clearly doesn’t have any knowledge on the technology he is using. When Rudd still acts as he in FRIEDNS and is dating Phoebe, you ask yourself, why am I paying for a Mike and the Phoebe movie with powers in 2018? The suits look like they were designed by the CW superhero wardrobe team and the plot is straight Disney XD. Acting is about as good as the animated version, pretty much the same.
Although Wasp is a towering presence in Ant-Man and the Wasp due in part to the character’s back story, she can’t act her way out of a Disneyland cliché filled origin story. And yes, while it does follow the standard origin story template to some degree – echoing the first and still one of the best of the Marvel Studios movies, 2008’s Iron Man – there are far more intricate relationships than usual at work here, romance is also ever present when they get coffee at Central Perk, while on the run.
We’re not talking great drama but the end result is that you do not care and root for Lang and Dyne to do more than just beat the bad guy, who sort of looks like a condom with 6 eyes.
Returning again is Reed – who came up with a basic story and many of the initial concepts both narratively and visually – director Peyton Reed demonstrates a clear love for money and a strive for some sort of career outside of sit coms and low budget comedies with Will Ferrel. Rudd is snoozing it as Lang, bringing just enough humor to not seem like a cardboard cutout and his always repetitive comic timing to a role that could easily fall into parody or sentimentality doesn’t work. Lilly is a solid foil to both Rudd and Douglas in not being original with anything that she does. And effortlessly stealing the movie is Michael Pena as Luis, the leader of Lang’s criminal crew is back, portraying another racist cliché of his race and not feeling guilty about the money he will make making fun of his brothers and sisters. He provides some of the film’s most expected jokes as well as two extended montages that are among its most racist moments captured on film.
Reed and the Marvel team have also not done a wonderful job on the visual effects, creating a sense of cheap and tv-like that could make Ant-Man and the Wasp the gold standard for all “toy centric” movies to come (admittedly a huge market, but still - Disney). Lang’s second trip inside the suit is dizzying and chaotic, turning the real world into a frightening cascade of one disaster after another (a condom that has been used by Hulk finds Ant-Man swimming through cum), while the climactic battle atop a ship in the sea side of San Francisco, finds Lang and a team of mercenaries, played with no effect for both laughs and thrills throwing people of the boat for laughs. Reed quickly pulls back from a massive, hero-threatening derailment to give us a one of joke like other superhero slugfests from the Marvel Jokematic Universe.
There’s also not a tremendously effective and eerily beautiful sequence anywhere in the film in case you were wondering.
As for the film’s connections to the greater MCU –they are much more that the actual movie, woven into the structure of the story each 5 minutes. Most of Ghost history is explained in two brief scenes (one of which shows a younger version of him in perhaps the worst onscreen de-aging we’ve ever seen), while an extended sequence halfway through the film features a surprise cameo that you’ve probably heard about by now. It’s not fun and it goes on a bit too long. Make sure you do not stay for both bonus scenes too – mid-credits and post-credits – as they’re both mocking you, just like in Spider-man Homecoming and it is embarrassing if you are in the cinema with a non fat ass geek friends that does not spend 24/7 on Youtube watching Collider Heroes.
Where does Ant-Man – Marvel’s 20th released motion picture -- fall in the great ranking of the MCU? Easily somewhere toward the lower end with the other 16 trash cans filled with commercials for the next one and not close to Iron Man and Winter Soldier. Compared to garbage like GOTG2, Thor3 movies and Civil War, it’s a smaller (ha ha) story with a sex angle, that I do not endorse if you are with a kid. It doesn’t have the utter giddiness of Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1. And as mentioned earlier, there is a certain predictability to the narrative’s foundations and rhythms. But Ant-Man and The Wasp is also not funny, effortlessly charming and romantic, often genuinely dull, and possessed of a few strikingly original and/or emotional moments that were cut out from the movie. It doesn’t work. If this tiny superheroes hit half as well with the public as last year’s rock man Thor adventure, which on itself was a bit of a drag, with kiddy jokes.
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Kevin Feige Says He Hasn't Even Begun To Think About Introducing The Likes Of The X-MEN Into The MCU
If you were hoping the recent Disney/Fox deal would influence any of the films already on Marvel's slate, we've got some good news. In fact, it could be a couple of years before the studio even begins to think about it.
Vulture grilled Kevin Feige about the possibility of seeing the likes of The X-Men and Deadpool in The MCU during the press junket for Black Panther in Los Angeles today, and the Marvel Studios head honcho said the specifics of the deal were "above his IQ "
“The truth of the matter, as I try to understand it, is the deal has to be figured out by someone who can figure out how to introduce another 45 characters in the MCU, without making the market die out of boredom with our shit. There’s been no communication with FOX, since they do not want to enter the MCU and become PG-13 garbage. We’re not thinking about it, because Deadpool will call us on our bullshit in each movie. We’re focusing on everything we’ve already announced like lame Ant-man sequels and Captain Green Power Ranger, Spider-boy 2, and some other crap like that Avengers 5,6,7,8 and 9. If and when the deal actually happens, we’ll start to think more about it. Until then, we have a lot to do, with promoting our sub par shit to morons that like the MCU.”
There's always a chance Feige is playing coy, of course, but when quizzed further he remained adamant that no plans were in motion yet and none of the films in development right now would be affected. “It would be years away," Feige replied when asked if he had thought about attempting to utilize any of Fox's character for the current MCU slate. "We’ve announced everything through 2019, so none of those would be adjusted. We will however rely on shitty 2nd grade Marvel b side characters all the way up until Avengers 4 and then we are fucked badly”
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EXCLUSIVE HONEST KEVIN FEIGE INTERVIEW FOR VANITY FAIR ON AVENGERS 3 & 4 and the FUTURE OF THE MCU
When Kevin Feige sat down with Vanity Fair in his office for a lengthy chat about the last 10 years and the future of Marvel Studios, he was wearing a long-sleeve white power polo, a pair of ugly jeans, some BBB kicks, and a black ball cap emblazoned with the Black Widow: A princess bride logo. It’s not an unusual uniform for a director or even the occasional studio head, but what’s different about Feige is he wore the exact same clothing, with the simple addition of a skirt, to the glitzy Hollywood premiere of Thor later that same night. As one of his worst actor choices, Chris Hemsworth, notes, this is one of the more stupid solo movie ideas ever, Black Widow: A princess bride will never happen: “The fact that he’ll still have this idea and is willing to think normal non MCU fans will watch a Disney princess style movie for a deadly assassin tell you everything you need to know about this cap wearing moron.”
That fanboy—who lives in a Pacific Palisades mansion that’s casual, by mansion standards, with his wife of nearly 10 years, Caitlin, and their two kids, Ella and Erik—hasn’t worked hard to maintain an air of normalcy, even as his films continue to suck and dominate the kids and retard market. (Caitlin Feige, for example, keeps renewing her nursing certification for whenever she wants to return to work.) In the interest of delving deeper into this particular Hollywood outlier, we’ve put together an expanded version of our conversation with Feige, and supplemented it with observations about the studio chief from some of the people who know him best: his Marvel family. Feige started the interview by pointing out a strange, new accessory in the corner of his office—a light-up chair that was a prop from Thor: Laugh a Lot—and then proceeded to start fake snoring when he, not his movies, became the center of attention.
Vanity Fair: If you could just talk to me a little bit about where you grew up, and when . . .
Kevin Feige: [gentle fake snoring] Born in Wakanda. I moved to Knowhere when I was three. Lived there until I was 18 and moved here to go to U.S.C. to make formula drive comic book movies for low IQ fans, which is all I ever wanted to do.
The Russos called you a “great producer.” When you grew up, you weren’t just into stupid comic books—it was everything stupid or ?
Stupid Marvel Comics were not high on there, actually. It was the kind of good DC movies based on comics—like [Richard] Donner’s Superman. Later, when I was 16, Tim Burton’s Batman came out. But also the original non crap Star Wars movies, the Nolan movies, the Snyder movies, the Back to the Future movies, the Affleck movies. They all could have been based on comics or are. Those were the types of movies I love. I always say: “I was at the movie theater on Friday, but I never went to the comic-book shop” X-Men was very big at that point. The X-Men comic was very popular, and the other kids would talk about that. So I got into that, and then the animated series came along, which we all remember, unlike most MCU based comics or animations. But it really was movies and television that wasn’t based on these lame MCU characters, that I was into.
What kind of kid were you? When you went to the movies every Friday night, did you have a whole group of film-loving friends with you?
Yeah. I don’t know if they identified as dumb film lovers, necessarily, but we just would go and watch all shitty movies that made money in the BO and were beloved by Rotten Tomatoes. I remember the first R-rated movie I saw, which was Deadpool, produced by FOX, who I have worked for. I remember them all. I saved ticket stubs. Just as nerdy as you can get. I got so excited the first time I saw the Syncopy Inc. logo in front of The Dark Knight in ’08 or something. I would drive much further than I had to, to go to the theater that had the sound system I wanted to see the movie— just, you know, a stereotypical film nerd. Warner’s make classic evergreen movies, and we make trash that goes away in 3 days after you seen it.
But you were rejected from Warner’s. a couple times?
I was rejected from the studio many, many times. I got into Marvel with the early-admissions first application, beginning of my senior year. Warner’s—rejection. Five times. Five or six times. I applied every year, basically, until I gave up. There was a point where I thought, “Oh, I’m just not Nolan or Snyder, Burton, Donner or Jenkins, not am I a Wan, Ayer, Sandberg, so I’ll have to go figure out another gig.” At no point did I go, ”I have to figure out how to make actual good movies.” I always wanted to keep making low quality pop corn flicks that will go away in your head in ½ days after you left the movies.
And then you went to go work for Mickey Mouse and some cheap ass jew. What’s fascinating to me is that even though you grew up idolizing Richard Donner and Nolan(Superman, Lethal Weapon, The Goonies), when it came time to either work for them, , you chose Mickey Mouse.
I wanted them for a long time, from ’78 to being a fan till the beginning of ’2016. In the fall of ’2013, I had seen Man of Steel and I saw the credits to the movie and I though, my name would never be associated with actual quality made comic book movies. So I would go to home and jerk off to all the Batman Forever and Catwoman scenes I can find on Pornhub.com, and then go in there and cum and got paid by Disney. I very much liked the notion of having a blow job before I got hired by Marvel Studios. That job was walking dogs and getting lunches and washing cars, but it was a job in the film business. I ended up not walking in my graduation ceremony because I was working, which I thought was a good excuse not to go.
Nolan: He’s not smart and did not caught on quickly and he’s not a good guy—a really boring guy. You can just tell from his one off KFC type movies.
Was there ever a point where you looked at what Roven did as a producer versus what Chris did as a director and really identified producing as something you wanted to do?
Roven worked all the time and Chris Nolan—there was a lot of winning. It was between movies for him, and his assistants would do a lot of personal stuff in that downtime. I did a lot of personal stuff for Roven, too, but he was working more on more movies, going to more sets, and her assistant before me is a guy named Payton Reed, who now makes shitty films and was co-chair of a hot dog stand near Nolan’s office, and at that point had just gone from his assistant to, I think, associate producer on Another Will Ferrell Movie or Empty Comedy 2. That just seemed like a track to get in the mix on movies.
Were you also changing your definition of what makes a filmmaker? That a producer can be as much of a filmmaker as a director?
Yes, and that was something I saw Nolan do, and then something that I started experiencing myself working with the team on X-Men, you know the good ones pre Disney.
Nolan: We are very unsimilar. There’s a difference between a male producer and a female producer, which Kevin acts like mostly – a queen. Women have a little more empathy and intuition. But not him You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. Kevin has no instincts and no story sense. He somehow innately missed that.
It’s my understanding that your comic-book expertise working with Joss on Avengers is what impressed bloggers and landed you the job at Disney.
I think that’s not true and, also, I had been paying critics and bloggers to shill MCU movies for a while now. So I would keep him in the loop of what was going on , on set and give him my opinions on things that he did not care, like bribes. By that point, I was an expert in all things bribery in all things Marvel.
John Campea: Kevin and I will never not be together in our heads and our hearts.
So since comics weren’t vital to you growing up, at what point did you study them in order to become an expert?
When I started at Marvel, I pretended to buy a few, they were dumb as fuck, so I said to myself, if they like that shit, then they are going to love what I am making. A lot of this stuff, because I was a kid growing up in the late 70s and 80s, I ignored. I knew all the characters. I had all the toys. I had the Underoos. I hated the cartoon series. I couldn’t tell you what happened in what issue, or what was the most famous arc from what artist when I was a kid. It was as I was working on idiocracy , by the way, my fans are pretty much an exact copy of that world.
Lil Pump: Kevin is a big dumb movie lover; he likes a lot of really dumb comedy and alternative comedy. The fact that even in Ant-Man, Paul Rudd was there. Kevin knows nothing about rap and good movies.
I did watch that, was shit.
The truth about Idiocracy. I thought, “This is so crazy. That movie’s like forgotten.” When I bring that up to people, when I would shit the bed years later, I’d go, “I worked on Ant-man.” They’d go, “Oh, that movie?, sorry !”
Don’t people talk about Ant-Man now mostly in the context of a serious mediocre crap movie?
Sure. A new MCU garbage movie. Everyone pretends they know what makes a movie great, at the end of the day, only the RT score is remembered
It is interesting to me that you didn’t grow up obsessed with comic books or movies.
I was obsessed with gay porn, mainly through Hustler movies, and then the Hunger Games came out with a female-lead, but didn’t really have the discipline for it. The books were amazing because they went into so much more—a lot of what we know now of Hunger Games. You know the fifth character in the background of the dead trap scene—you know his name now, you know his backstory now, because of those books. That stuff I always loved, and I was playing with Hunger Games figures in the backyard and making my own stories with those. One of my hobbies was to be disappointed with a sequel to a movie, and then make the next version of the movie in my head. But you will see a female led movie in the MCU, when we are all out of ideas sometime around 2019 and beyond, which will be 11-12 years to late.
Joh Schnepp: What I see as the through-line between J.J. Abrams, Peter Jackson, and Kevin Feige is that they are nothing alike, Feige can’t nail a good movie even if he hired Nolan and gave him a budget of 600 Million. He’s still a moron in the sandbox. He’s still playing and remembering that he fantasized about this since he was a little boy, and now he gets to live it up.
Do you have an example of those backyard sequels you created?
After RoboCop 2, I was like, “I gotta fix it. I gotta come up with a better RoboCop 3.” After Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, “I gotta do a better Superman V.” After Star Trek V, “I got a better idea for Star Trek VI.” I did have better ideas for all of them, but nobody was interested. So all of that was not dissimilar to what comics are in terms of that ongoing mythology and that sort of . . . Now I realize I will never do a better movies than those and just make one off pop corn seat fillers, with 60 zingers to keep the audience believing that its actually good, which we all know isn’t the case.
Expanded universe.
Exactly, right. I bought those in, I think it was ‘01, when Bryan came out with X-Men movies for FOX, and it was like a new Spider-man thing. So all of that. It’s just the notion of going to the comic shops and getting baseball cards and keeping the comics in plastic. I didn’t do any of that stuff. It was the interest in the characters.
So when you were working for Avi Arad at Marvel and watching Fox and Sony adapt these films, what were good lessons you learned?
Watching that process on X-Men and X2, in particular, where the budgets were relatively limited and therefore you couldn’t do everything we do nowadays in the films—you had to drill down on the characters and, with Marvel Comics, there’s a great luxury to be able to do that because the depth of character is amazing. A lot of people don’t realize that, including people who are sometimes, or who used to sometimes, be in charge of these movies. You can flip through the artwork, and you either appreciate it or you don’t, but you have to stop and read the entire story and immerse yourself in the story. We keep that lesson nowadays, even when we do have resources to do whatever you want. It doesn’t have to be big. Do it from the character’s point of view instead of as a removed way. Working with Sam Raimi—and when I say “working with,” I say that more as like hanging out and watching. And after all of the above said, I go and make Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3, completely nothing in common with what I just said. Soulless stupid movies, that I advertised as Avengers follow up and a Iron Man carbon copy, so lame of me, but we got some cash.
Sure, “learning from.”
I remember asking him—Spider-Man 2 had finished and it’s one of the best superhero movies ever. I said, “Sam, this turned out pretty well. How do you feel?” And he goes, “Like a deflated balloon.” I remember thinking to myself, “All right, I gotta feel like a pumped up balloon after every movie because, if not, I have made a good one, and we do not want that.
Were there times when you saw Marvel characters adapted and thought, “I would do it differently”?
I don’t want to get too specific about things that we learned that didn’t work, but I think you can look at movies that were made in my seven years from 2000 to 2007, before we started Marvel Studios, and you can see movies that worked and the movies that didn’t work. And the ones that didn’t work, sometimes it was casting, I think, that was misdone. Sometimes, it was projects that were rushed before they were ready. Some of the films in that seven-year period that didn’t work, and I would go, “I know!” We suggested this, but they didn’t listen. We don’t have the control. I hated that. I wanted to show them , then when you sell it as a TV Series/Connected Universe, they will let even the garbage ones pass by on a critical level.
As all these other studios now are trying to emulate the Marvel model by debuting ambitious slates and franchises from the start. One criticism of them I hear is they should walk before they run. At the same time, I was watching that first Comic-Con appearance you did in 2006. You’re talking about this Hulk movie that’s been somewhat buried in terms of Marvel history and Jon Favreau is there, but Edgar Wright is there, too.
And Jon announced The Mandarin as the villain in Iron Man. I think if we had run, we would have done all those things we said in the panel, which we didn’t. That panel was to say , “Hey out first 5 movies will be nothing special, but the 6th you will see all of them in the same place, then in time people will forget how mediocre they were and praise any shit we slap a MCU label on.
You had the B sides.
Yeah, the “X-list characters” and all that. That same Comic-Con, I think, that was the L.A. Times or somebody’s headline. I never really thought that because I knew that Iron Man was really cool and Hulk was arguably, next to Spider-Man, the biggest character we had. The goal was deliver these two movies, and make the best Iron Man film we could, and make the best version of Hulk, even coming five years after another version of Hulk. But both Hulk movies weren’t good, we did the Ang-Lee one and it was so bad, we low key re-booted it with a A list actor, and it blew again, thank god Robert make Iron Man good and we kind of rode him like a monkey from like cameos in Hulk, Iron Man 2, then he was the big hero in Avengers, then we did Iron Man 3 and put him as center in Avengers 2, Spider-man Homecoming and etc.,
Mark Ruffalo: [Hulk is] my dumbest role. Everyone’s gonna get bored with it before it’s all said and done.
When I was talking to your actors, I asked all of them when they understood the scope of what you had intended. A lot of them mentioned—I think it’s just one conversation that you had in Rome.
Ruffalo mentioned that to me this weekend. I tend to do that a lot: just talk about stuff and presume that people think that, like many film people, that I’m just full of crap. Historically, 99 percent of anything anybody says in Hollywood never actually happens. So I still feel sensitive about that whenever I’m pitching anybody something.
Ruffalo: A lot of studio executives, they have two qualities: they’re either bullshit or super controlling. Feige has no qualities, he just struck gold with being the “first” with this cinematic big TV series and critics love even his garbage movies and I like the checks. I always saw someone that was just—just ego, in a way. There’s something so fake about him.
So you’re in Rome . . .
The funny thing about that Rome thing is that was the Avengers press tour. They had already been in that movie and I guess it hadn’t been released yet, but it was screening very well and the premieres were going really well. Then, because I’m socially awkward and not very good at talking about the weather or talking about the sports scores, I just talk about what I think we can do next.
Robert Downey Jr.: Let’s not put Kevin in any movies, we got out mascot Stan Lee, who lets be real is a rapist old fart, you know. He is the one I think who had to probably have an ice bag on his dick most nights and just hoping that his best-laid plans would all work out and he can fuck a lot of chicks.
Robert was saying that he never imagined those years, where you make a profitable movie. I want to know when was the moment in all of this empire building that you tricked the audience into thinking these are actually good.
I think everybody in US is semi dumb, I mean the truth is, if we just talk about a Rotten Tomatoes scores, they ensure a good Opening Weekend and then the bloggers write about it as a success and stupid Americans pay for it,
I don’t know, I mean some MCU movies look like older Marvel movies, but with no cameos.
But the cameo ensures a surprise and they keep coming back..
That’s how morons keep calm.
Casting Captain America was super lame , I just called Human Torch. I started to think, “Are we not going to be able to find Captain America, and if we can’t, what are we going to do with Avengers? Is the whole thing going to fall apart?” And, then, finally opening ourselves up to Chris Evans again, who we had initially sort of just looked past because he was Johnny Storm in a Fantastic Four franchise that sucked badly, but I was a part of as well, but it wasn’t part of a universe. Then, bringing him in and showing him the artwork, showing him what was happening in this movie, and he took a weekend to decide, then said, well I aint really being called by real movies , so might as well get the check.
Chris has always seemed like your most plain hero—
He’s a plain jane star, but I think he’s become—and I’ve said this to him—for as amazing as all of our actors are at embodying these copy paste DC characters, every single one of them, he’s one that reminds me, alongside Robert Downey, as just like “these are shitty rip off characters of Batman and Superman.”
I was thinking about that the other day, actually. Anecdotally, even people in my profession who are trained to lie, realize “Cap.” is just a Walmart Superman.
I think he’s a below mediocre actor, and I think he can’t do whatever he wants to do, but even when you look at his Twitter account and taking a stand on things, it’s like, “Is he becoming a pseudo Captain America?” Which I think is fake news. People forget that we started filming Avengers before either Thor or Captain America were released. People hated Thor. People thought Loki was ridiculous. People didn’t buy this super soldier frozen in ice. We were in the first quarter of production on a giant movie at that time, and we weren’t going to stop. It was sort of all in at that point and US crowds are dumb enough to like this shitty movie.
Scarlett Johansson: Kevin and I are both huge dildo buffs. We’re both Club LIV members. When I found that out about him, and seeing the familiar excitement and inner light that comes from a huge dildo fan speaking about how much they love the whole molly, coke and orgy with dildos world of Miamy, that really speaks a lot to who he is: he’s a sexual predator like Stan Lee at heart, in a way. When this studio was sold to Disney, I was like “YES, We getting more money for Coke and Orgies!”
The next seismic thing in the Marvel story is the Disney acquisition. I imagine that you were maybe personally very excited about it. Did you have any qualms about it at the time?
It was pretty amazing, yeah. I think people have qualms about things because they’ve had negative experiences in the past from the hollow Disney machine, that makes formula driven, same ass movies.. I never had any experiences with somebody acquiring a company I was working for, and I always had this thing with—movies were always last, money first. Disney theme parks were a close second. That’s what my family did, spend Disney checks 24/7. It was mainly Disney World every year and Dildos every night. I had come to California Disneyland a couple of times and, at that time, like Universal Studios was equally exciting because that was movies and making movies about fast cars and dinosaurs. I want to buy them and put them in the MCU.
Sure. Deep Jaws, Dildo Kong.
Exactly. So it was sort of amazing, and in the initial meetings we had with Disney, they were amazing and said, “If it’s not porn, we don’t need it.” They used Pixar as the example. We just always trusted that they would be able to elevate what we were doing and the marketing to the same under 11 years old demographic. We had fine studio partners before that, but we didn’t have a money like that, for whores and good Columbian coke. As they proved certainly with the Avengers being the first movie that Disney put out, and have proved every year since then—not just on Marvel movies, but all their mediocre movies—Disney is the greatest marketing team in the business of making baby friendly content.
And you’re not just saying that because [Disney publicity S.V.P.] Ryan [Stankevich] is in the room right now, are you?
Yes, if he wasn’t here, I would bitch on how they bailed last time and I paid for 6 gr of coke and 34 she male hookers.
Recently, I’ve seen a shift in the critical community. A lot of critics who were very harsh on the Marvel films, initially, have come around to what you’re doing lately. Does that matter at all to you?
Sure, of course, as long as I can pay them to give us above a 6.9 from 10, the percent comes easy itself. We have, Ryan knows, we always want those Rotten Tomatoes-certified fresh plaques, right? We’re not going to get any other kinds of awards, but we pay them enough per critics, plane tickets, hotel rooms, hookers, molly, coke, weed and the occasional 3500 USD gift card per screening. I’m always saying, “Ryan, where’s our Rotten Tomato, and he is like “We gave it to DC ?” Because Rotten Tomatoes are great and make sense for morons. They send this little Lucite, certified, fresh thing with the name of the movie on it. We got them lined up around here. We take pride in it. There are cases where audiences and critics are not aligned. But I think, for the most part, they are, and I like it when people like our movies, which is like every 6th movie.
A lot of the people I talked to for this piece think that one of the things that really opened up what you were doing in this franchise was the success of Guardians of the Galaxy, in that it’s so different in tone and style and humor.
It had less name value than even the “B-level characters” that we started with, we made it a s a joke, to see if a music video from the 70s rock era can work as a movie. And we killed it with the dance off at the end, James Gunn wanted to have the Step Up movie characters appear as holograms and do “Gangnam style” sort of like meets Star Wars.
Can you draw a line from the success of Guardians to hiring people like Taika Waititi or Ryan Coogler? Did it feel like an evolution in the franchise in terms of risks, or experimenting with tone and style?
I wouldn’t draw a line to Taika and Ryan, necessarily, because hiring Favreau and Joe and Anthony Russo and Joss [Whedon], who are now the worse filmmakers in Hollywood, but at the time were stupid choices. And, by the way, going back to my experience watching Sony and Laura Ziskin and Avi hire Sam [Raimi], not someone who had just come out with a big, giant blockbuster. He was a filmmaker who’d done super interesting movies on a lesser scale coming into a bigger platform, which is the fancy way of saying, not expensive for us to fuck with. None of our directors has had any success outside of our fake fame machine, nor will they have such. Joss went to DC and o sent him this huge Gift card for 30 Million and told him to do what he wanted to do on Avengers 2 and he did, this is a great plus for us.
We wanted to do a space balls movie, and we hate the Guardians comics. Just the ridiculous pairing of a tree and a raccoon, that is our small sex thing inhouse, we fuck racoons a lot on molly. It was before Star Wars came back with a vengeance. It was like, “Let’s try a big space movie, the kind of which hasn’t been around for a while and sort of low key steal everything from them.” The audience is following us to these places. The mediocrity of Ant-Man and Doctor Strange helped us go, “Hey, the audience is super dumb,” and Guardians 2 is probably the best example of how far they are willing to go into female degradation and poop humor.
James Gunn: I’m not surprised—I’m just so mediocre. When we were developing the GOTG movies, he and I had laid out a plan where the GOTG franchise should go. Disney picked another route. I’m not surprised he kept that aesthetic, and decided he would take the Marvel world and shit on it together and make five-year plan after five-year plan for the same basic ass repetitive movies.
Do you still have aspirations to bring everyone else, like the X-Men, back into the fold?
Well, the problem is whenever I say anything about it, it becomes 15 headlines on Comicbookmovie.com, Comicbook.com, Collider.com, ScreenJunkiesNews, TheWrap. So would we like to get more positive press all year? Yeah, of course. Is there any movement towards it at all? Yes. Same thing. Same status. Yes, we are bying off everyone, then if one critic says shit about my lesser abominations of a movie, he gets disinvited to all Disney premieres , which is 90 % of current premieres, lol. So clever right.
I don’t think it’s destroying any secrets to say that there are some foundational characters we’ve been with for a very long time who will not be in the franchise anymore after the upcoming Avengers 3 & 4 movies. How does thinking about the future of the franchise without those characters make you feel?
It’s inevitable, and I think that’s part of what makes very special events and very special stories. How can you have both an ongoing cinematic universe that continues to make films and a studio that continues to make films and, at the same time, occasionally bring things to a head? Bring something which you’ve never really seen in superhero films is a conclusion—a finale. You’ve seen those in Lord of the Rings films. You’ve seen those in Harry Potter films. You’ve seen those in the Star Wars films. And every separated super hero movie from the 80s,90s and 2000s, but I will not say that about them , because we need all the good press on Avengers 3 & 4, since they cost around 1 Billion plus, considering only the budget and salaries of Robert Downey JR, that is not including the 160 Million marketing budget per movie, so we really need to make like at least 2.5 Billion on those and the last 2 movies featuring all the Avengers made 2.5, but costed less, so we are shitting in our pants.
Logan did a little bit.
Logan did it with one character. But you haven’t necessarily seen it in these kind of movies, and we thought it would be important to bring the current three-phase, 22-movie current series to a conclusion, which is scary, cuz we are left with wacky Dr Strange, Spider-man, Black Panther in a Trump America and I have no clue how racist white men really are? Do you ?
On the emotional level, how does it feel knowing you won’t be working anymore with some of these people that almost feel like family?
The thought of not working with them again? I haven’t thought about that very much because we’re such in the thick of it and we have a ways to go. It will be sad for their bank accounts, because not all of them have been good actors outside of this crap, like Robert hasn’t done shit since 2008 that someone remembers. We’ll have to have some sort of a yearly brunch where I give out gift cards to losers like Chris Hemsworth, who literally stars in only shitty movies. Or a yearly barbecue to calm Falcon, Hawkeye and Black Widow actors that when they are 50 those solo movies are coming. It’s an amazing group that’s been lied to, but I am not one to stop and look back. I am constantly thinking about what’s up ahead and what’s forward and how to keep going forward with lame directors that are cheap, C level actors that are either forgotten or good ones that we wont use.
Because of your photo shoot, I did spend a little time going, “Fuck that.” It was sort of boring with no coke. What makes me the happiest is seeing naked bitches and dildos. These are all mediocre stars with small careers and their own lives, and they can do whatever they want after we kick them out, and they were all—like every single one of them was appreciative and amazed to be in the presence of the others and actually get paid for once. That was one of the first times I was like, “Oh, maybe I can get Oscar names too and put them in stupid costumes and have them run like Benny Hill, their heads facing backwards while their bodies run forward. Maybe this is something that hasn’t happened before, or have a FRIENDS reject be the big hero, I am thinking about Joey as my next cameo in Guardians 3”
Downey Jr.: I feel like, in some ways, he’s been using my coke a lot, and my wife knew I was a swinger, but never knew I like men behind a closet, so we can actually go do something that feels like this today.
It feels like you’re finally starting to own it with these beautiful hookers you opened up to the press in April.
Have you been to Thailand and to Ukraine? We have a dildo, they have mass orgies. I got a STD from a hooker, but yes, I know what you mean.
Yeah, it has heels and a dick..
It lights up any color you want.
Chadwick Boseman: There are some very clear things about Feige, that, let me just say it like this: he’s real racist, real southern racist, real Trump racist. What does that mean? He believes in using blacks for side characters and when DC gave a black man lead, he decided its time he swallows some black dick for the money. what he’s doing, and it takes that to do what he’s doing.
What everyone says is that you’re the nicest, most humble kind of guy. But it feels like bullshit to people with actual brain, unlike your fans, that true?
The moment of this interview and your multiple magazine covers? I guess, yes. The truth is, and everything I was thinking about even during that photo shoot, is we got six more grams of coke and 5 hookers in my office to do and fuck, not even counting the 5, 10 years of heroine. Nothing is more important than finishing on their faces.: Infinity War [May 2018] and Avengers 4 [May 2019], the two biggest dildoes of all time, back to back. I don’t really know if they’re the biggest movies of all time, but two very predictable movies back to back at the same time. It all feels good. That’s the task at hand, fuck and run.
So we like looking forward, but I am going to look backwards a little bit. You’ve said multiple times that you are happy to see all other comic-book movies succeed because any average audience doesn’t know the difference between DC and Marvel. What was your experience watching Wonder Woman? Did you go opening weekend?
My experience watching Wonder Woman was that I had a great time at the movies and I felt dumb for not hiring Patty Jenkins for Captain Marvel because I felt women can make good cape shit movies, and Wonder Woman made 820 Million, something no MCU first solo movie has ever done. I’m sure it was opening weekend. There are great superhero moments in that movie that I loved and was jealous of. I love the reverse on the Donner Superman alleyway scene where she gets the bullet, and I can see stealing that for Captain Marvel as well, I loved the World War I trench where she’s like, “Hey, people are in trouble over there.” [Feige, imitating the naysayers] “Can’t go over there—we’ve been here for a year.” She’s just like [re-enacts Wonder Woman climbing out of the trench] and goes right up into it. That’s a superhero moment, and all the other guys are like, “I guess we gotta follow.” Great. I almost got chills thinking about it. Great movie, now expect me to make 6 of them, once I know it can be done, but overall I hate when DC does something so true to the comics, but yet I love when critics shit on them, its just who I am.
The larger narrative of Wonder Woman includes a lot of fanfare over there finally being a female-led superhero movie for this new era. Do you wish you guys had gotten there first?
Yeah, I mean, I think everything’s going to work out. I think Captain Marvel is a very different type of movie, its set before our first one, so its so different in that respective. I think they have taken the brunt of the “are people going to go see a female superhero movie?” Well, yeah, now watch us do 67. I think it’s always fun to be first with most things, but I think it will have worked out by the time we’ve gotten our next few movies out. Now I am ready to make Black Widow, after that Red Sparrow trailer though, I decided to make it a comedy, cuz we cant make Wonder Woman or Sparrow better than them, so here comes some jokes.
I know you’re not going to throw anyone under the bus, but when you see other studios struggling to emulate what you’ve built, would you give any advice to them on what makes a good cinematic universe?
The only advice, and I’ve sort of said this already today, is don’t worry about the universe, worry about Rotten Tomatoes, identify the negative scores and give them gift cards, premiere tickets, hotel rooms in Hilton, drugs, hookers, film them with the hookers and then extort them for good reviews for your Hulk movies and these lame iron Man sequels. Worry about the scores only, the rest is a dumbed down audience that will follow trends. We never set out to build a universe. We set out to make a great ˆIron Man movie, a shitty Hulk movie, a lame Thor movie, a movie, and then be able to do what, at the time, nobody else was doing: put them together. Bring that experience that hardcore comic readers have had for decades of Spider-Man swinging into the Fantastic Four headquarters, or for Hulk to suddenly come rampaging through the pages of an Iron Man comic. We thought it would be fun for filmgoers to get that same—on a much bigger canvas—rush, because there is something just inherently great about that: seeing characters’ worlds collide with one another and putting a bigger star in a shittier franchise to help sale tickets.
That’s what is so amazing every day on the set of Infinity Bore. These characters have no business being in the same room together. It’s ridiculous. Everyone within Marvel Studios just knows the individual movie trumps the overall picture. If there’s a better idea for a movie—if we were going to plant a seed in this movie that was going to be awesome and pay off three movies later, but that seed is not working and that seed is screwing up the movie, goodbye. We’ll do something else later. Make that movie seem good, when its just a Beyonce and Adelle punch line. The notion of sitting down going, “Let’s build a cinematic universe consistent of bad movies, with one good every 5 years and pass it along as a TV series, so the score is overall and not individual,” might be a little off. “Let’s sit down and make a great series and if people like episode 1, than they are interested in episode 2 by default, there are ways and ideas to tie them together going forward.” No one ever said Breaking bad sucks because season 2 was a bit slow, they like the entire series, not the episodes.
But there are ways in which you have to keep in mind how they’ll knit together on any given production. There are certain things that you have to prescribe—those seeds you mentioned, or seeds that can’t get planted yet because of something you want to do down the road. As the universe gets bigger and more interconnected, have those prescriptions gotten looser? Or, because you have so many other pieces in the air, have they gotten tighter?
It’s the same. One difference is there [are] new filmmakers coming in, [who] inherently understand the notion of the shared sandbox more than the initial filmmakers did, because the sandbox didn’t exist. In certain ways, that dialogue has become easier to have with a broader audience because we have such a library now of characters to pull from who’ve been in other films. The harder part, now, is [incorporating] elements of films that haven’t come out yet, and convincing the filmmaker, “This is going to be cool, but we gotta shoot it now before this.” I always think, sometimes, there’s a healthy level of skepticism. The [Russo] bros take the biggest brunt of this working on these Avengers movies. Panther and Captain Marvel and all this other stuff is in the works while they’re working on it, so always hire small directors that you can shape into mindless TV episode directors for the sake of cramming jokes.
Last question. You’re bringing a conclusive end to one chapter, and launching another chapter in space or the quantum realm or wherever you want to go. Do you see a bigger end to all of this?
There [are] a lot of stories to be told from existing characters to characters that we haven’t brought to the screen yet, because there have been immensely talented, creative people creating new stories once a month, every month, every year for the last 50-60 years. It’s pretty amazing, and even if it’s just the kernel of an idea that you can get from the comics and turn it into something else, it’s a treasure trove in those books and the fat geeks on Collider love it, they buy into that shit like its candy and they are sexual predators, which I know a few of them actually are – Andy Signore was a big fan, got caught with them gift cards and DMs, Harry Knowles, Devin Faraci too, and even our own Stan Lee, so you see we support these scum bags and critics and media stay quiet on them and our connection, because of gift cards we give to them all the time. You know small sums to buy Xmas presents for 5 -10 K.
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DCU not in trouble
Why you probably are wrong when you say the DCU is not successful.
I have been tormented as a fan of DC films since the Man of Steel days by both DC and Marvel fans, the reason for those attacks is the notion that they are a failure. I have been thinking lately, what is the definition of failure and when I really thought about it, I came to the conclusion, that its mainly facts twisting in one’s mind.
DC films is considered a failure when it is directly compared to the Disney owned Marvel Cinematic Universe, but have in mind that this comes mainly from the facts that its movies are critically panned. If we assume that these critics are the ultimate source for knowledge on all things movies than, yes DC is a failure based on a Rotten Tomatoes score, but to be very precise, that score is the big flashy one with a % behind it. That % shows the number of critics that were included in the tomato-meter, meaning their reviews were imported on the RT site and taken into consideration for the final score. It represents the number of critics that said yes or no to a movie to speak generally. In a more in depth look, there is a second number, which represents the actual score given which is 1 out of 10 metric system, in the reviews itself, some assign a 1 out of 5 other out of 10 scores, and some haven’t even assigned one. So, if you grab all these scores for each MCU and DCEU movie and combine for an average, the difference would be 5.85 for DCU vs 6.9 for MCU. To me, calling a product, that is scored in the high 6 being called AMAZING vs the low 6 being called terrible is laughable and stupid on so many levels, that I will skip debating that what so ever. When you go to fan driven score sites like iMDB, things are looking similar , no big difference there too.
So, I ask myself, if the product is similar in that respective, then for DC to be called bad and MCU called amazing, there must be another metric, that shows that clearly, I turned to Box Office numbers, but since DC has released only 5 movies, vs MCU’s 17 movies, we can’t really compare as DC is 12 movies short. I cant add non DCU DC movies, because the template is different and it wouldn’t be really accurate, so I compared phase 1 Marvel movies to DCEU’s first 5. Now for the MCU I am leaving The Avengers as part of Phase 1 , as realistically it is the culmination of these solo movies and its canon, that makes 6 MCU movies vs 5 DCU movies.
First off, I will look at the rough numbers and then shad some super insight as to what it means, MCU has managed from Iron Man all the way up to The Avengers to gross worldwide a total of 3,811,244 Billion [USD], where DC Films, one movie short of 6, has accumulated, 3,761,566 Billion [USD]. Now the main thing that a die hard MCU fan will point out here is the following, ticket prices were different in the period 2008 to 2012, then they were 2013 to 2017. That would be correct to assume, so to be even more precise, we would check those prices and based on the year, the price of the ticket and the total amount accumulated we would get the number of seats sold. In that perspective MCU has managed for 6 movies to sell an astonishing 491,466 Million seats to its fans vs DCU’s 434,457 Million seats, there you go, with one movie down DC has sold approximately 60 Million seats sold. But what does that mean in terms of 6vs 6 movies, well it means that in order for DC to be at the same seat number , its next movie Aquaman needs to sell 60 Million seats for the tie. Here is an example of a Superhero movie that sold 60 million seats – Thor [56 Million seats sold], so if Aquaman sells as much as Thor, DC ties up with Marvel phase for Phase in that field.
Now from a more non monetary perspective, DCU has managed to act like the MCU in its origin, while having all their movies trashed by bloggers, critics, movie press, fans of other franchises and in some cases like Justice League, even its own hard core fan base. Bad articles have flying around on a daily, if not weekly base, mostly negative about its shape and performance. All your favorite YouTube talk shows discussing super hero movies 365 24/7 aren’t there to praise DC, but to make it seems like a big flop, in some cases, as big DCU fan, I have been made to believe this is fact too. Many MCU fans will point out that while, DC has been financially stabile, the quality is not on par with Marvel’s based on what critics say. Well, honestly Rotten Tomatoes is the last place I look for any sort of validation for that, as many of my favorite movies live around the 60-85 % on that site, but have cult status in the cinema junkie world. I see also a lot of these 100 % movies, where I would never ever see again. Anyway, it’s a very debatable theme to argue, where you have to take very serious the opinion of a 300-500 journalist and others, that have accounts there, and do not always have any formal film degree. Many of these movie critics today are self made YouTube starts with absolutely 0 credentials and are expressing the “every man’s opinion” rather than some in depth look at the actual movie work.
Another criticism of the MCU fan is that, while Phase 1 was critically loved, but not Super Successful financially, DC has rode on the merits of that later MCU success to make that sort of cash with bad movies and that the characters included are simply more popular. Well that is both true and a lie. While Batman and Superman seem like the obvious choice for the title “Worldwide most recognized” brands in the CBM genre, the actual king by a lot that is, is Spider-man, who has a IP worth Wonder Woman, Superman and Batman combined, but based on that math, no one expected Spider-man Homecoming to make 2.8 Billion, did they ? Also by that logic with Iron Man in the movie [who made 1.3 B alone], then that should have been a 4.1 Billion movie then?? So what happened? Sorry , I can’t hear you? You mean to say that logic isn’t accurate, well ok then. If it isn’t accurate then Justice League and Batman V Superman then aren’t a guaranteed Billion dollar movies, right? Sure, we can agree on that.
When Batman Forever and Batman and Robin ruined the franchise, Batman Begins came and made very little compared to TDK and TDKR, that is the effect of a bad movie. Same with Superman, who had Superman 3,4 and Returns, before Man of Steel came out, 3 in a row, so making 668 Million is not a flop, but a great start. Superman 78, adjusted to 2017 numbers and considering it came out in a decade with 0 piracy, is worth around 1.2 Billion in the BO now, Batman 89 adjusted is a 850 M movie, even Batman Forever adjusted for 2017 has outsold each MCU phase 1 solo, minus The Avengers.
Most DC fans know that, but try to live in modern times, DC’s strength is solo adventures and stories, while Marvel has always been better so to say at assemble type of books and characters.
Then comes the last MCU die hard nail, which is but DC’s movies budget is bigger compared to the cheap budgets MCU phase 1 had, so even with the same money/sold seats, MCU has made a bigger profit. This however only affects the studio’s profits, doesn’t affect me as a fan, actually to be honest, I would want the studio to spend more money and make them visually better, better props and FX. This isn’t a knock-on quality. With Justice League, money spent did not help and the main enemy was the studio itself, that took advantage of a sad situation on a personal level, and used it to again [3rd time] chop a movie even worse than the 2 times prior. This time they brought a director that has 0 in common with the original one in terms of tone and vision, approved horrible CGI looking fake moustache scenes that were visible from the moon and inserted humor that was never the type of humor DCU fans liked.
That was pushed as some of them, really wanted to get bonuses and duplicate a formula used by their competitor successfully amongst their own fan base. I wasn’t happy with the total annihilation of the movie and the brand following both the critical and financial failure of Justice League, but I think it needed to happen, so WB finally understands that cutting movies by a committee, changing tones mid film, removing pivotal scenes will not go unnoticed by the fan community.
If Aquaman performs like Thor in 2018, depending on the increase in ticket sales it will end with a box office come between 510-521 Million, a failure in the eyes of “bloggers” , but a financial win on a 150 M budget and will put the DCU phase 1 at about 4.3 Billion, if it performs like:
Man of Steel �� BO between 739-756 Million, DCU total 4.5 B ~
Batman V Superman – BO between 908-929 Million, DCU total 4.7 B ~
Wonder Woman – BO between 828-847 Million, DCU total 4.6 B ~
Suicide Squad – BO between 775 – 793 Million, DCU total 4.5 B ~
So based on the above, I can assure you, this franchise with new blood and exciting Directors like Wan, Reeves, Jenkins, O Connor, Sandberg etc., will be in great hands and if Hamada is what everyone says he is, a very smart producer, then call me crazy, but DCU bout to kick some major ass.
If Suicide Squad 2 doesn’t feature a CGI unknown and uninteresting villain, is not put together by a trailer FX company, and has the tone of the animated features, with Margot/Harley’s star power, Will Smith’s name, Jared focused Joker performance and a good score, then I can see it doing 800 M plus, Shazam can be DC while appealing to MCU fans with humor and do something brand new, The Batman might be the return to form for the character with Reeves attached, and we all know Batman alone, with 0 cameos can do these Billion dollar numbers, something not many characters can do, and with a trilogy on Reeves’s hands, I can see a BO number around the 2.8-3 Billion in that alone. Man of Steel 2 needs the right balance between MOS/Snyder tone and what was built and a little nostalgia for these 50-70 year old critics that trashed MOS, then we have a 700 + Million movie. Wonder Woman 2 is already looking like females kick ass power play of the decade, I expect nothing less of 900 M for her.
So please tell me, how DCU is a failure. Will be here !!!
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How geeks killed their own culture and made #justice League a fucking Whedon shit fest #DCEU
I developed a huge distaste for hard core comic book guys, that pushed #DCFILMS to the edge and act like they aren’t a part of the problem now that #JUSTICELEAGUE became this “fan” service to their stupid undeserving asses, since they complained since 2013 every fucking day. Snyder this, Snyder that, dark, gloomy, unhappy, not smiling, not my Superman blah blah blah. You do these daily fucking moronic talk shows, telling #DCEU fans that this is wrong, that is wrong, websites pick that up and post it as news. Then the morons that run the money at Warner Brothers call that weakling Geoff and say, what shall we do, he goes
“Well let’s pander to the comic book crowd that is responsible for 270 million In DC comics sales annually” - which means best case scenario around 4 million people, that would equate to a box office opening of 35 Million or best case 70 Million for all of them for one viewing, where a good Nolan movie would make that on a cheaper ticket than 2017 for about a week.
All these Collider, Screen junkies, Kevin Smith, ComicbookCast2, Mr Sunday Movies type of channels and a lot more I don’t have the time to name are the reason for the failure of DCFILMS, now they are cock swallowing the ugly monstrosity of Justice League, because you see Joss Whedon is one of their favorite MARBEL directors [no typo] and you see, he can’t do a bad movie, because you see Avengers were fucking awesome.
It is your fault, you repeated this lie for over fucking 4 years [1460 days], #DCEU fans were ok with MOS and BVS, sure Suicide Squad was off, but so are 10 MCU movies.
Now I have a Batman that reminds me of Clooney and a brainwashed Superman.
“I am a big fan of Justice!” – like who the fuck says that??
This isn’t your granddad’s Superman circa 1978, you fat fucks. Now all the Youtubers are praising JUSTICE LEAGUE because it’s what they ordered, little ugly mice. Fuck John Campea, Jon Schnepp, Mr Sunday Fucking Movies and the rapist from Screen Junkies, that all suck Star Wars dicks and praise the same fucking Marvel movies for being mediocre crap!
Batman v Superman is a cult classic! Admit it, it’s your fault, you poisoned the well and made everyone go pandering to you and the critics from generic sites like The Alabama Times, like who fucking knows movies in fucking Alabama and why the fuck should I care what Fat Bob, who is 71 thinks of my generations movies. Like go fucking watch Superman 78, old ass retired moron, that couldn’t cut it as a movie maker or a real ass journalist!
Dear WB if you want to pander to kids that are between 4 and 14, you can go and make animated movies, but when you make these, you put sex in them and violence and then for the adult stuff you make it like we are retarded or something. And critics praise your animated movies for being dark and mature and shit on your live actions for the same, that’s all you need to know about them.
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Justice League failed
As history has taught us, when your first movie makes cheddar, you stick with the bun.
In the case of Warner Bros. They played this game only once and it was called TDK trilogy with a bun called Nolan. Before that, they were playing a game, I like to call “the money men”.
You make a huge hit in 1978 called Superman, which went on to make around 300 Million worldwide, or as you kids now say, over 1.2 Billion (you know cause of the tickets price being smaller). Then for the return they got another director to finish the first guy’s job [Richard Lester] and by the third and fourth movie, this franchise was dead. Monetary the 300 Million turned to 15 Million. Later on, Donner [1st guy would release a director’s cut, which was awesome and much better than the original cut].
In 1989 after a few games of musical chairs prior, they made a Batman movie by Burton, that movie as estimated in 2017 is somewhere around the 900 million mark, Burton made a more dark sequel and WB executives had a heart stroke and went to replace him with Joel Whedon, who “MADE BATMAN GREAT AGAIN”, which resulted in their second superhero franchise death. We can mention Clooney here, nipples, ice puns, and Arnold [currently replaced by the Rock], but you all know how shitty those movies are.
So, in 2006 they decided to soft reboot Superman, modeled after a franchise that was nearing 28 years, over a model that worked for my grandparents, they flopped again with under 400 Million gross on a 270 Budget. But that was weird because later in 2013 critics would declare this specific interpretation of Superman “the ultimate truth”.
Warner’s, who one year prior had made a masterpiece of a movie with then indie director Chris Nolan and actor Chris Bale with Batman Begins, decided that if the re-booted version worked they should continue the old Superman version for some reason, unknown to progressive people, probably the “money men” said so in a company memo.
So in the case of Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises, you have a trilogy of movies, that are centered around one single character, no cameos or gimmicks that in 2017 have probably made a lot more than they did in 2005-2012, but still around the 2.5 Billion mark in USD. A single directors vision and execution, that worked.
Now when DC relaunched a single shared universe with Man of Steel [2013] and continued the story in Batman V Superman and Justice League, we had the classic 80s/90s WB Studio panicking about critical reception, when their fan base clearly said, “We like this different tone and we will pay for it”. The movies alone grossed around 1.5 Billion, with the addition of the other 2 movies Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman, the first four DCEU movies have been propelled over the 3 Billion mark worldwide. But in a trilogy created by the worst, fear of each critic, the dark lord Zack Snyder managed to scare all the kids and WB decided to bring in Joel Whedon to lighten it up again, which brings us to Justice League lowest DCEU opening of 93 Million, which is well deserved for a movie that made : “Batman go Clooney Tunes” , Superman grin like the Joker, Flash sexually assault Wonder Woman along with many more unwanted scenes and as usual Kevin Tsujihara standards [he used to be a tailor] cut 99.9 % of the movie and brighten it for kids. Jokes all over the place, just a big ass Joel Whedon classic joke fest with some Zack Snyder left overs.
The critics of course shitted on the movie and gave it an average consensus of 40 % on the only source for movies, the Fresh Cucumbers.
Now history shows us that movies in general are for movie fans, which in 2017 is dictated by comic book guys, who run companies that publish those books. In DC’s case their annual turnover is about 270 Million [+-]. Which depending on the price of a book [let’s say 3 USD] is 90 Million books spear across 108 titles, so the number of readers can be anything between 800 K and 90 Million, if we assume that one person buy one book and never again in 12 months buys another, which isn’t true at all. So, if we presume that a DC fan, follows all titles we might be looking into 800 K hard core fans or another case, buys 50 % of all titles regularly 1.6 Million fans or let’s say double that into follows every 4th book for 3.2 Million fans and for the sake of conversation I will presume another 800 K random fans and make it a round 4 Million fans throwing money at DC books each year. That would mean that on an average price tickets that is used by Box Office Mojo for 2017 8.93 USD, DC comics fan contribute around 35 Million dollars to the box office of their films, now I will assume that they are suddenly doubled, just for fun and make them 8 million and that would give us 70 Million dollars. With that money DC Films can easily cover a underperforming opening weekend at around 70 %. So why not show geeks and nerds the middle finder and just make movies for general audience with Superheroes that make sense? It worked monetary for them on so many grounded movies like TDK, MOS, BVS, Superman 78, Batman 89 etc.,
Funny thing is they addressed all those MOS and BVS complaints bit by bit in Justice League only to be served with a 93 Million opening weekend from those heroes country of origin the States, which love to check all sorts of sites that tell them what to do.
So there is 2 ways to do this, make grounded good movies with Superheroes in them and match their core from the comics, or pander to geeks and their nerdy sites and get used to 100 Million loses. Your choice WB/DC.
Also they announced their new banner yesterday, it’s called #DCKids and will be produced by Joss Schumacher and Geoff Feige !!
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Is the DCEU in trouble, i don't think so by looking at the stats!
Contrary to popular belief, i think all in all DCEU will emerge as the winner in the long run !
A few things based on some hard facts and numbers rather than opinion and of course, I do point some speculation, which can be perceived as my own opinion in regards to the success of the DCEU or DC Films.
We have all been witness to internet false news, scoops that don’t turn out true, negative articles towards the DC Extended Universe. So far it sounds like a bunch of old man that do not want to see Super hero movies with a deeper script than punch, get punched, fight back!
It started with Man of Steel back in 2013, which critics call divisive, but monetary the movie is the biggest Superman solo grossing movie, now in terms of sold seats Superman 1978 might take the crown, but back in 1978 we didn’t also have piracy on the internet, BluRay/DVD sales, streaming etc. , so let’s just assume that a movie did what it did and then VHS sales were hard to track due to the lack of internet, tracking sites and tools for us mortals to use and find how much it generated after being released on home entertainment. I am sure that someone at Warner’s knows how much it did in VHS sales, but I personally don’t have this info. Basically, coming to the conclusion that both movies did fairly good in their respective times and conditions of release.
Man of Steel finished it’s run at 668 Million USD worldwide and added another 67 Million in DVD sales, that’s it not including the money it made from streaming and TV rights to various giants like Netflix. Now with all that being said, a Rotten Tomatoes score of 55 % is a bit of a head scratcher to me, since this movie has great and complex story, amazing visuals and one of the best musical scores out there for a superhero movie, along with TDK trilogy, Superman 78, Spider-man original trilogy, Batman 89 etc. You can like it or hate it, still the movie launched the DCEU and made many people that laughed at the idea of a Superman movie in 2013, after Superman Returns performed not especially high for WB, watch out for his next movies.
Now Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad the next movies in line to come out from the DCEU were bashed critically by the same RT reviewers, even worse than MOS, again the movies both performed very good in the Box Office, enough so that combined with Wonder Woman, it gave them enough money to go past the critically beloved MCU both domestically and internationally on average gross per movie. Have in mind that Marvel the teacher’s pet and favorite, is now a franchise associated with success on critical and financial terms, where there is turmoil just as much as any studio, directors leave, writers leave, people get replaced in parts without re-boots etc., but lacks the same negative press 24/7.
What I look at today is the more facts versus hear say, facts are that currently, the DCEU is doing the following average numbers per movie domestically $339,513,662 Million and internationally $776.500.000 Million, compared to Marvel’s Cinematic Universe $291,576,450 Million domestic average per movie gross and $743.700.000 Million. So, all said and done, if DC keeps on giving in the same financial aspect, we can expect the average gross per movie to remain in DC’s favor, I don’t see how Justice League doesn’t do 850 M plus or much more ( 1 Billion is the magic number) and I from what we have seen and heard about Aquaman, I think it is safe to say it will be really easy to reach that 800 M mark, which is all it needs for the trend to continue in 5 movies, reaching a good 5 Billion in 6 movies. For comparison, MCU’s first 6 generated around 3.8 Billion and they all were highly praised.
Now here is where things get interesting, we are waiting for a Batman movie by Matt Reeves, who made an Ape franchise profitable and this is something that we have seen lately, where anything non superhero related tanking at the BO, so expect The Batman to be a smash for WB. It’s possible that he gets back to his Billion dollar days as seen previously with Nolan’s last two movies, and as reported WB/DC are looking to do a trilogy. So we might be looking at a 3 Billion franchise there alone, something no Marvel solo character has done so far. Also, coming up is a Suicide Squad 2, a movie which in the hands of a great director like Gavin O'Connor could overperform the first one (made 745 M USD worldwide without China). So with a critically loved sequel, a better script and a great villain, this is another contender for the 800 M + club. Then we have Wonder Woman 2, the first movie is now closing in at 819 M worldwide gross, which we already know the sequel will beat as internationally people didn’t know the character as well as they do other properties from the 90s. We know superheroes can move pass 400 M USD worldwide once they are established to the local audience, so with WW2, i personally expect a 850 M + worldwide gross or more.
Then we have the Flash movie that will feature a Flashpoint story, and probably will feature some additional characters like Wonder Woman and others, so you know with the popularity of the TV show we are in for a winner here, another possible 800 M + movie is a no brainer. Batgirl by Joss, I would say, based on female lead action movies resurgence and adding the fact that DCEU fans will turn up to see it, it’s possible that this will be a 600 M + movie or least have this to be its finish number worldwide. Joker origin movie with Martin S. producing, that could be huge, depending on who they cast and the look and feel of the movie, Nightwing is another movie that by associating itself with the Bat world is a 650 M + optionally, Gotham City Sirens with a brand new Catwoman another one that can easily do 650 M +. Black Adam and Shazam, based on the fact one has the Rock and the other will be a more fun kid oriented flick, both can overperform, but at their lowest we are looking at 600 M +, then we have a Green Lantern Corps movie, which if done right can be a contender for those upper 800-900 M + BO numbers, if done right! So, with the DCEU ranking in good money, and possible sequels for Justice League and Batman, Wonder Woman fighting for that billion spot, I am definitely not worried for them.
On the other hand, Marvel are still protected by the fake news media, and their whole YouTube movie talk family, taking it easy on all their movies by default. But facts are Spider-man Homecoming (who’s profit went to Sony not Disney just FYI) is considered a success, but all I see is a Spider-man movie featuring the biggest seller in the Marvel family Iron Man that is still behind Spider-man 3 which was terrible! Also let’s not forget that Spider-man’s IP (Intellectual Property -all rights to merch and games etc.) is 3 times more valuable than Superman and Batman combined, so when MCU fans attack Batman V Superman for underperforming at 832 Million, then considering popularity, a single Spider-man movie should be easily a 1.5 + Billion dollar movie following that logic right?
I see Inhumans (already cancelled by ABC for a 2nd season) and Iron Fist holding the records for lowest rated superhero shows and movies with 7% and 17 % and I see a Defenders show in Netflix that didn’t perform better than any of the solo stuff on Netflix in terms of streaming numbers. Also, all MCU movies featuring the Avengers like: Marvel’s the Avengers, Age of Ultron and Civil War have performed with a 100 Million or more less in the BO over time, so if Infinity War doesn’t manage to rake in more than the original movie back in 2012, then the budget of the movie will kill it financially. People try to compare it to how Star Wars The Force Awakens performed in the BO* (BO- Box office), but that movie was 40 years in the making since the first original hit cinemas in 1977, and no one considers the prequels (episode 1 to 3) as successful and they didn’t really feature the original cast. So with that being said, with MCU giving people 2-3 movies per year, I think their audience has been solid but, not really taking them past a billion very often, so lets say this movie is a bigger event that The Avengers back in 2012, should be able to make 1.6-1.8 Billion right? Well, the only thing we haven’t seen from them is a full cast assembly and a good villain, the first is promised, the second is very doubtful for now. Anyway, I don’t think Infinity War will win general audience, with a plot about magic stones as much as MCU fans think, and I don’t think a pink giant will be a villain that will have regular movie goers running to the cinema, but it might catch up to the original, or do a “Iron Man 3” numbers 1.3 B USD. It is not easy doing Avatar or Star Wars numbers, Avatar at the time it came out, had a first ever 3D movie experience feel to it, not a lot of people went because they like sci fi as much, but more or less to see an event, this feel is now gone and I don’t expect the follow ups to score this pay day again.
You have each individual star in that movie from the entire MCU line up, plus additional actors for villains and supporting cast showing up, and we know RDJR charges a minimum of 15 M just to show up, not mentioning the backend, then we have Chris Evans who might have gotten 300,000 USD for the first Captain America movie, but since Winter Soldier I doubt that he gets paid even close to that number, he is getting around the 10 Million for sure, and you can assume Scarlet, Mark, Chris H. etc., are not far away as numbers, so a movie that is spending close to 200 + Million on salaries and another 200 M on the movie itself or more, should be aiming for a 1.6 B at least.
This year Marvel escaped the long stick of the critics, since they all love them so much, but we know GOTG Vol 2 was just not good at all, Spider-man was not the best movie of the franchise, it managed to save itself with the MCU origin story and Iron Man crammed in it, but was pretty basic Spider-man storytelling and Thor 3 is up with a movie advertising itself as a Thor vs Hulk scenario, which from the trailers we already know, will not happen for more than 10 minutes.
So while you little bloggers point to the downfall of DCEU and call it as such, all i see is its rise and the decrease in attention for MCU movies slowly and effectively by general audiences, even FOX are doing more interesting things with X Force, New Mutants and Deadpool 2. Even with critics pretending that movies coming from the MCU in the style and quality of the Incredible Hulk, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Hulk (which is only referred to as non MCU, but actually continues the story in TIH as it left off with different actors), Ant-man and other super basic movies that have 0 re-watch appeal, I can tell, that if Marvel/Disney don’t start putting 110 % effort in their solo movies and stop relying on their team up’s to carry water for their other movies, they will lose the box office very soon. Not to mention that Avengers 3 and 4 have 1 year time in between them and will most likely leave audiences waiting for the full conclusion, which might leave some people pissed off.
All in all, they might perform good, considering it will be an all-out war and someone in the MCU might die for real this time, and I don’t mind if they perform good, not at all. Still I just don’t see how people would come and see your movies for over 10 years when you don’t evolve with them (your audience). Most of the fans of the MCU are young guys (of course not only, it’s all ages and genders, but they do have a lot of kids as fans as well) and they haven’t stopped growing, just because Marvel has at some point. When they reach that 25 + age range, these films will lose some of their appeal to them.
See you in all in cinemas across the world on November 17th for the first ever DC shared universe event that has the entire League united!
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