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who is the best singer in the choir, wrong answers only!!
bill: even jack knows the best singer is roger. he won’t ADMIT IT, though
maurice: THE GUILT IS EATING ME ALIVE AAAAAAAH!
#lord of the flies#lotf#lotf character asks#ask#lotf fanart#lotf roger#lotf simon#lotf maurice#lotf bill#lotf robert#kunfire#BETRAYAL…
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#lord of the flies#lotf#lotf roger#yk red dahlia’s means betrayal or dishonesty when gifted#meqkoidrawings#break the cycle lore
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I think there's so much comedy potential for the fact that the protagonists of Star Wars are celebrities in-universe too.
That scene in LotF: Betrayal where Luke and Mara get past CorSec by claiming to be other people impersonating Luke and Mara? The mere tip of the iceberg, as far as I'm concerned.
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Top 3 LOTF betrayals and why
#1 Jack leaving the rest of the group
#2 Jack leaving the rest of the group
#3 THEY FUCKING KILLED SIMON
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Jacen being my favorite character and adoring his character development in NJO and choosing to ignore any writer decisions taken in LOTF and FOTJ regarding his character 🤝 Ben being another favorite character of mine and adoring his character arc while, inevitably, recognizing that a huge part of it was Jacen's betrayal and the events that occurred in LOTF
I'm not doing well, guys (gender neutral). I'm not.
#star wars#star wars legends#star wars eu#jacen solo#ben skywalker#darth caedus#denial has entered the chat#clone Jacen theory has entered the chat
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All the Chapters of LotF summarized in four words or less.
Chapter 1: "In denial, gay & useless"
Chapter 2: "Top 10 anime betrayals"
Chapter 3: "Ralph is still useless"
Chapter 4: "Simon <3, Jack no"
Chapter 5: "Please no."
Chapter 6: "*What the fuck* ***Jack***"
Chapter 7: "Break-up noises"
Chapter 8: "You could've asked"
Chapter 9: "*sobbing*"
Chapter 10: "In denial, not useless"
Chapter 11: "Goddamnit ***ROGER***"
Chapter 12: "Gay, Useless, seeing ghosts"
#jack merridew#lord of the flies fandom#lotf#lotf memes#lotf ralph#lotf shitpost#lord of the flies#lotf book
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chapters 3 and four are now on wattpad!!!
https://www.wattpad.com/1229007648-the-betrayal-of-paceme-a-lotf-royalty-au-chapter-4
#Loft#lord of the flies#lord of the flies simon#lord of the flies piggy#lord of the flies jack#lord of the flies ralph#lotf#ralph lotf#lotf simon#roger lotf#lotf piggy
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Could you do the Solo kids for the character ask, please?
Sure!
Jacen Solo
First impression - his appearances in Zahn books and JAT didn’t leave much of an impression, so the first proper impression he made was in YJK. I basically thought “What a joker, I love him” because he kept those transparent snakes and was trying to make others laugh, especially that stoic Tenel Ka, which was really endearing, and he was just so different and unique as a person in his family so I had to take notice of him.
Impression now - he’s my all time EU fave and I miss him dearly.
Favorite moment - why would you make me pick one, so many golden moments. Well, if just one, then it has to be this: “Traitor”, dhuryam, the amphistaff armour, the sheer brilliance and sort of betrayal in his power move - you get the picture.
Idea for a story - something about teenage Jacen and Han having a conflict. Some good father-son interaction, teenage rebellion (but not really), Han trying to be a good parent, that sort of them.
Unpopular opinion - fuck LOTF, Jacen wouldn’t do any of that. I will fight this point forever. I can’t stand D@rth fucking C@edus, that’s not Jacen, just some evil cartoon villain OC Denning and co. replaced Jacen with.
Favorite relationship - all of his relationships are interesting and I’d want to see more of. The mentorship he had with Vergere was fascinating. From romance, Danni Quee forever.
Favorite headcanon - if the war didn’t happen, I think Jacen might have become a Jedi Healer. Something to explore in a fic, I think he had a potential there. Besides, wouldn’t it be fun for him to apprentice under Cilghal?
Jaina Solo
First impression - well, I thought there was nothing that set her apart and she was just a mix of traits from Han, Leia and Luke.
Impression now - I like her more in fic than in canon. I’m pretty indifferent to her canon self.
Favorite moment - when she went and called herself Yun-Harla to fuck with the Yuuzhan Vongs, that was good.
Idea for a story - something about Vongs capturing her and making her battle Jacen like they wanted to.
Unpopular opinion - Jaina wasn’t that great as a character as some like to portray her, but she absolutely deserved better writing than what she got.
Favorite relationship - Leia. Their mother-daughter bond is seriously underrated and I need more of that. The other is Jacen, I need more emphasis on that twin connection and Jaina being the protective older sister to her brothers, because EU really did nothing with it when it should have.
Favorite headcanon - Bi Jaina has merit.
Anakin Solo
First impression - he argued with Jacen in Vector Prime, so that was interesting. Also, his horror, guilt and self-blame for Chewbacca’s death really made an impression on me.
Impression now - badass and cute Jedi little brother that should have lived.
Favorite moment - that time he went with Tahiri to Tatooine to support her. Also, when he made friends with that Vong (man, I need to re-read, because the details are so blurry to me).
Idea for a story - what if Anakin’s kidnapping in JAT was a success and he came back years later brainwashed by the Imperial Remnant and the whole family, especially his siblings, have to fight to get him back?
Unpopular opinion - Idk if it’s unpopular but I still can’t reconcile his characterization as a kid, which some describe as autistic (Corellian Trilogy), and his charisma/leadership in other works. Hm. One of those isn’t right, but I can’t figure this out yet. Needs more thinking and research.
Favorite relationship - Tahiri. They were the dream team!
Favorite headcanon - Anakin would have been a great cousin to Ben, I think they’d be close.
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Honestly, I agree with you, first off, I was also touched deeply by lotf, and I see them as poor boys who were thrown to hell and had to grow up and stop being children and just, suffer, and I can't see how a romantic context makes sense there, nor how can you force them to grow up in that area as well. Let them hold on to the last bit of childhood that they have
Yes exactly!!Like, sometimes you don’t need to throw romance into every single story. This story went WAY beyond romance or the usual themes us fangirls like to hold on to. It was about the awful actions that come with letting our human nature run loose, about betrayal and friendship and hope and that dark side that haunts each and every single one of us. All of it told through the story of children who had absolutely no business doing anything in that island, and that found themselves forced to do EVERYTHING they could to survive. And I mean, it /must/ have been pretty bad if a 12 yo boy was capable of killing 2 boys (directly or indirectly) and then threatening to kill a third. So I really don’t think making them grow up just so you can make them date/have sex with each other is the best thing to do with this message.
((Ugh i didn’t mean for this to be so long and turn into this “deep” shit but yeah. Point is, I totally agree with you.))
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Star Wars Expanded Universe: Legacy of the Force #4 Exile
Star Wars Expanded Universe: Legacy of the Force #4 Exile
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Exile is the fourth book in the Legacy of the Force series. It is the 27th Star Wars book published b y Del Rey after they took over the publishing arm prior to the New Jedi Order series.
Exile was written by Aaron Allston who would write some 13 Expanded Universe books. This is his second LotF edition as he also penned the opening book in the series Betrayal.
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#Aaron Allston#Ben Skywalker#Jacen Solo#Legacy of the force series#Lumiya#Star Wars#Star Wars Expanded Universe
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Legacy of the Force Reread - Betrayal by Aaron Allston
Gosh, wow, it’s been a little over a year since I finished my initial read through of Legacy of the Force. In the interim I did reread Inferno and the beginning portions of Invincible shortly after the release of The Force Awakens, but for the most part this is my first time properly reentering the material since that first read through, which took place mostly during February and March of 2015.
It’s wonderful to be reengaging with some of my favorite SW material, and Betrayal holds up to the added scrutiny resultant of my having experienced much more of the EU since I last read it. The one exception being the whole Vergere As Secret Sith nonsense, but the blame for that doesn’t fall squarely on Allston (RIP). I’ll believe that the Sith believe that Vergere was a Secret Sith, but Matthew Stover did not go through all that trouble in Traitor to hammer home that VERGERE IS NOT A SITH for the post NJO-EU to just retroactively disregard it.
Anyway...
I still love the way Betrayal is constructed with a big action set piece near the beginning, which would typically be placed near the end, and then the set pieces at the end are just STUNNING. It’s a tidy way of bookending a story, while using a less genre typical structure which helps keep the reader engaged.
My favorite scenes of the book remain the Skywalker-Solo family dinner at the beginning and Luke and Jacen ‘going for a walk.’ The latter shows off Coruscant so wonderfully well, which is important since Coruscant is a proper character in SW especially the EU, and is just nice for me since it’s one of my favorite planets. The former is a classic “calm before the storm” and I’m just always a sucker for those types of scenes.
Close runners up for favorite scene would also be all the stuff between Jacen and Lumiya on the asteroid habitat. It’s just horribly perfect. The precise way to turn specifically Jacen Solo to the dark side is a subtle crook of the finger with the promise of forbidden knowledge without the consequence of corruption, by saying you’re different, you’re special, you’re chosen, you can use the darkness correctly because you’re uncorrupted unlike all those others. And gosh, you just want to scream at Jacen along with Nelani because it’s perfectly terrible.
Lumiya’s seduction of Jacen to the dark side works on multiple levels; it appeals to his ego, to his sense of self, to his long-standing feeling that he’s outside the Jedi, that he’s separate from and superior to some of the Jedi ways of contextualizing the Force and morality, while simultaneously placating his lingering ethical qualms and playing off his post-Vong war adopted moral relativism, and most importantly enticing the lust for unorthodox knowledge with the promise of the most unorthodox, most forbidden knowledge (Sith knowledge) without perceived consequence of evil. And that’s how you catch a Jacen Solo; hook, line, and sinker.
This post would be incomplete if I did not mention the delight that is Ben Skywalker. He is one of my very favorite SW characters and his LotF arc is spectacular. He’s also just so heartbreakingly his age, and for the most part all the authors of LotF did such a great job showing that.
Also, I would be remiss if I did not mention that the last section from Leia’s POV in this book is one of the most staggeringly poignant of the entire series and really defines her trajectory for LotF. Just wow.
P.S. Also also, Anakin Solo droid is 50 shmillion times more painful since reading Star by Star. Uuuugghhhh.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
Syal Antilles is one of the most important perspectives in Legacy of the Force. Not only is she regular GA military, but she's almost the only person young enough that she's never had to question her superiors or lose faith in her government before.
I've been thinking about her telling Tycho that the idea that something like the firing of Centerpoint that destroyed her entire task force might happen again scares her less than the thought that maybe she'd be willing to do it, and I'm finally registering that she's questioning her own judgement as much as she's questioning her orders.
The idea of writing some kind of story that follows up on Fury and shows what the hell happened to her after that has appealed to me for a while. I'm currently referring to the idea as X-Wing: Guiding Star, but that is liable to change if I think of something better.
I still haven't managed to suffer through Revelation, but I know it's in that book that Admiral Niathal, who Tycho's working directly under in Fury, sees how bad she's fucked up and deserts the Alliance and sides with the Jedi. Lacking any information to the contrary (not that I'd necessarily care if canon said otherwise) I am assuming that through some combination of luck and scheming, Tycho leaves with her. Even in Fury, when he's there as Luke lays out part of the plan to save Allana and blow up Centerpoint, Tycho admits that he personally wants the Jedi to succeed in this, even though his duty doesn't let him act on it. I think Niathal, his direct superior and supposedly Caedus' equal in authority, splitting from Caedus gives Tycho the push he needs to be able to interpret his duty the same way that the Jedi are: They're working in the best interest of the Alliance as a whole by aiming to remove Caedus in particular from power.
I remain kind of convinced that Tycho knew, or at least guessed, that the "diplomatic mission" he gave Syal would likely turn out to be bullshit, in the sense that however the war went from there, the Jedi weren't likely to rejoin the GA because of diplomacy. I think that mission was at least as much a way to reunite Syal with her immediate family and not cut her off from Uncle Tycho, in a way that they could both justify to themselves, and that Tycho could justify to the people above him in the chain of command, as still being in the line of their duty.
Once they're on the same side again, though, that diplomatic link between Syal and Tycho, and by extension the Jedi and the ex-Alliance forces answering to Niathal, actually might prove very important in terms of coordinating the two groups. Especially if Tycho managed to set it up in such a way that they had a way to talk to each other that he was confident beyond reasonable doubt had escaped the notice of the GAG, which undoubtedly would have done everything it could to monitor someone of his rank who was known to be very close to several prominent traitors.
I feel like as far as it's presented in canon, Wedge's arc in LotF is pretty much complete by the time Fury kicks off. He spent Betrayal and Exile being chewed up and shat out by both sides of the war, causes and organizations he once honestly believed were worth fighting for. At this point, he aligns with the goals of the Jedi in removing Caedus from power, because of all the atrocities Caedus is committing, but actually Wedge doesn't give half a shit about the Alliance.
Wedge in LotF is tired of making sacrifices for the concept of "making the galaxy better," as consensuses and politicians and idealists define "better." All he has left to care about are people. His goal is the removal of Caedus from power, because Caedus is killing people who don't deserve it. His motive - the thing that keeps him fighting every day, the reason he isn't content to sit this out and let younger people handle it - is his family.
Luke, Iella, Corran, Syal, Tycho, Myri, Mirax, Han, Booster, Jag, Winter, Jaina, Wes, Leia, and many more that I don't think I need to list exhaustively to make my point.
And, like. Not quite as much as it is for Han and Leia, of course, but Jacen's fall is plenty personal for Wedge, too.
Part of the point of this story is kind of to pass the torch in terms of showing how Wedge gets the relatively happy ending that he does, and getting Syal to a point where she can stop seeing her father's legend as a standard against which to measure her entire self-worth, and be proud of herself for her own accomplishments, and be comfortable trying to carry on the good he did for the galaxy, starting with taking up the leadership of the famous Rogues.
My attention span is limited, so I'll cut to the next big thing: Gavin.
As you may have guessed, this story is basically going to take place in the same time frame as LotF: Invincible. In that book, there is an offhand reference to Admiral Gavin Darklighter still taking orders from Caedus. I don't remember the context of that mention, but I have some stuff planned for Gavin.
Specifically: He's the member of this huge extended family who had no way out of the Alliance, and no one else could get him out, and since Tycho left with Niathal, Gavin's under constant observation from GAG, and he regularly meets in person with Caedus, so he can barely even think about anything disloyal.
Caedus senses an opportunity and preys upon the helplessness of Gavin's situation, combined with a generous amount of Sith mind-tricking, to subtly manipulate him into believing he's been abandoned by everyone he loves for his loyalty to the Alliance, just like Caedus thinks he was. Caedus doesn't want to fuck with Gavin's head too much, because the guy is a genuinely good commander and leader, and Caedus doesn't want to ruin such a valuable asset to the Alliance.
He's wrong, of course. Tycho in particular tried everything he could to find some way to get Gavin out, or at least to send him a message, but he failed, and it haunts him.
Caedus sends Gavin after Tycho, who has his own fleet among Niathal's loyalists. For some reason, I think probably having to do with the game of 11-dimensional Force chess that Luke's playing with Caedus, Wedge and Syal are sent to join Tycho's fleet.
In this matchup, Gavin has a far larger fleet, so there's plenty of tension. Part of what's exactly going on is that Wedge and Tycho are trying to tie up Gavin's fleet long enough to prevent it from joining the simultaneous attack against the beleaguered coalition forces defending the Maad System.
It's kind of reminiscent of Wedge defending Borleias from the Vong, in that they need a similar kind of psychological warfare method, a bait with which to tempt the enemy into acting the way they want.
But this time, instead of a fake superweapon and some religious offenses, they have to do something that's personal to a version of Gavin who believes they all betrayed him.
There is a lot of pain, all around.
I mean, Gavin's not stupid because of it, but Wedge has to be the best admiral alive at this point (though Luke's probably better at some forms of strategy) and both he and Tycho are significantly more experienced. Most importantly, they all know each other.
I'm running out of attention to figure out the details of this, but eventually Gavin breaks the Sith brainwashing and figures out what actually happened, and there are emotions.
(As a completely unintentional (on my part) side effect, having experienced that specific kind of Force bullshit before and maybe had some Jedi mind-healing sessions for the scars might mean that at the end of FotJ, he's able to recognize what Abeloth's doing and maybe resist it to some extent.)
There is more that I have to say here, but at the moment I have no more attention span for this.
#star wars legends#legacy of the force#syal antilles#wedge antilles#tycho celchu#gavin darklighter#darth caedus
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Now that I've actually read the first three Wraith books, I just went back and skimmed over the scene in LotF: Betrayal where Syal gets the offer to transfer to the Aleph test squadron from the unnamed intelligence officer who I'm now pretty sure is Shalla.
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LotF/FotJ: Miscellaneous Reactions/Outprocessing 16
Over the last week or so, I reread only Allston's LotF books, paying particular attention to Jaina's bits - because in terms of what I'm using to form my mental image of these characters for writing fanfic, I trust Allston more than all the other authors in the era combined - and it really hit me how by the end of Fury, Jag and Zekk are basically over their stupid rivalry for Jaina's heart, and getting along pretty well. Just makes me really wish all three of them could have gotten together, and strengthens my desire to write that.
In that process, I've decided I actually find Zekk very entertaining. In Betrayal he's mostly comic relief ("are we on Corellia yet?") but he's good at it.
The thing about Jag's self-destructing blaster pistol is cool and all, but Alema should be embarrassed for being that predictable.
What were the Fallanassi in before FotJ? I'm assuming Black Fleet Crisis, because Abeloth-Akanah mentions the Battle of N'zoth.
I think it's kind of weird how Luke and Ben set out to retrace Jacen's sojourn, and even after they start having far more serious issues, they still end up kind of doing it by accident? Jacen is referenced as having been with the Fallanassi during that time in Vortex, and obviously he's been to Dathomir because knows how to form a blood trail. I don't think the Theran Listeners mention him, though.
#star wars legends#legacy of the force#fate of the jedi#jaina solo#jagged fel#zekk#zekk solo fel#alema rar
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LotF/FotJ: Miscellaneous Reactions/Outprocessing 9
So I'm the kind of person who has to read books multiple times to really pick up on stuff, particularly in terms of getting the emotional impact, and on my second time in the Sinkhole Station scenes in Abyss. I'm picturing it now and UGHHHHH. This shit is actually so fucking creepy.
Also, I just noticed that the Lost Tribe actually write in their own blood. There's a scene in Abyss where Vestara has to write down a name and uses a thing called a "blood stylus" with which she pokes her finger and takes a little bit to use for that. That is so Sith. I love it.
In Betrayal, when the Galactic Alliance is rounding up people who could conceivably lead a Corellian revolt, demonstrably including those who are currently retired. If Garm Bel Iblis was somehow still alive, he probably would have come up here. On a related note, I like how Wedge, despite the massive ego he's developed at this point, still admits Bel Iblis was a better tactician and strategist.
I registered but didn't really process before that Tycho is actually working directly for Niathal and not Caedus as of Fury, so maybe he was able to get out when she did.
A little weird how Corellia doesn't have any orbital defenses during Operation Roundabout. Like, the Vong never hit the place, and given Corellia's economic power and general importance, I would expect the entire system to be a lot more heavily fortified than, like. No planetary shields, not even a Golan. A few flak guns around Coronet, but apparently not enough to stop ten X-Wings.
Ben always describing things as "astral" causes some affectionate emotions that I don't really know how to identify. I really like him, though.
So Luke knows the Aing-Tii power to literally teleport things. Why doesn't, or does, that ever come up again? It seems like it would be very useful if he could just, like, teleport a Sith's lightsaber out of their hand or something like that. Of course, that would make it pretty hard to write any level of tension into a fight scene.
I can't really blame Wedge for his ego. I don't see how being lauded as that level of hero, for that long, wouldn't have gone to his head.
#star wars legends#legacy of the force#fate of the jedi#vestara khai#wedge antilles#tycho celchu#ben skywalker#luke skywalker
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FORGOT TO SAY THIS, BUT THE BETRAYAL OF PACEME WILL ALSO BE UPLOADED TO WATTPAD FROM NOW ON AS WELL, GIVIBG YOU THREE READING FORMAT OPTIONS :D
https://www.wattpad.com/story/286884837?utm_source=ios&utm_medium=link&utm_content=story_info&wp_page=story_details&wp_uname=sapphirestars__&wp_originator=rDAgwUdq2eo6u1Vb8ZfkktzNAXcvIK37M7HdINIJ7DugGKT1ohQjfZrlINa%2FyvZXLTPLLA05q2M7f6niw7MhD1poYbYOVpSm1PiM%2Fx8CZNZE7hMn7M2kS9ODbuEhvtAB
#lotf#lord of the flies#jack merridew#ralph lotf#jack lotf#lotf ralph#lotf roger#lotf simon#roger lotf#lotf headcanon#lotf fanfic
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